p*********y
发帖数: 2288 | 1 不会有人觉得大婶比lbj牛了吧？
现在有点想不起来mj当年怎么样了，不记得当时mj的个人统治力跟现在的lbj相比怎么
样，得分应该是mj更强一些，综合篮板组织助攻，想不起来lbj有没有达到mj对比赛的
控制力了 |
g*m
发帖数: 4659 | 2 今天听radio魔术的经理说lbj是过去20年内他所见的最佳。
【在 p*********y 的大作中提到】
: 不会有人觉得大婶比lbj牛了吧？
: 现在有点想不起来mj当年怎么样了，不记得当时mj的个人统治力跟现在的lbj相比怎么
: 样，得分应该是mj更强一些，综合篮板组织助攻，想不起来lbj有没有达到mj对比赛的
: 控制力了
|
A*****a
发帖数: 52743 | 3 看过Mj40岁带着虾兵蟹将打的比赛,和这场差不多.
【在 p*********y 的大作中提到】
: 不会有人觉得大婶比lbj牛了吧？
: 现在有点想不起来mj当年怎么样了，不记得当时mj的个人统治力跟现在的lbj相比怎么
: 样，得分应该是mj更强一些，综合篮板组织助攻，想不起来lbj有没有达到mj对比赛的
: 控制力了
|
g*****g
发帖数: 34805 | 4 我就看过前两月的vote，上百球员和经理投票best player.
LBJ落后的一屁。
【在 g*m 的大作中提到】
: 今天听radio魔术的经理说lbj是过去20年内他所见的最佳。
|
s***o
发帖数: 6934 | 5 你同意不?
【在 g*m 的大作中提到】
: 今天听radio魔术的经理说lbj是过去20年内他所见的最佳。
|
g*m
发帖数: 4659 | 6 kobe is the no. 1 player
that they don't want to play with.
【在 g*****g 的大作中提到】
: 我就看过前两月的vote，上百球员和经理投票best player.
: LBJ落后的一屁。
|
c********6
发帖数: 3483 | 7 link?
【在 g*****g 的大作中提到】
: 我就看过前两月的vote，上百球员和经理投票best player.
: LBJ落后的一屁。
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l****8
发帖数: 1843 | 8 连mj的面子也不给.
想让老奶奶听得心花怒放说不定也给魔术点糖吃.
【在 g*m 的大作中提到】
: 今天听radio魔术的经理说lbj是过去20年内他所见的最佳。
|
W********m
发帖数: 7793 | 9 这个要顶。 其实KOBE球技上的差距可以忽略, 但性格和人品上差距太大了. 注定他不
会打TEAM BASKETBALL. 他苦练的劲头也是来自他selfcenter 的nature 阿..
【在 g*m 的大作中提到】
: kobe is the no. 1 player
: that they don't want to play with.
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l**k
发帖数: 45267 | 10 要说打team ball的话，那数据还得缩水，科黑就更高兴了－－看，数据比蟹黄差那么
多，不是一个档次的！
所以，这事情不太好办，lol
【在 W********m 的大作中提到】
: 这个要顶。 其实KOBE球技上的差距可以忽略, 但性格和人品上差距太大了. 注定他不
: 会打TEAM BASKETBALL. 他苦练的劲头也是来自他selfcenter 的nature 阿..
|
|
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W********m
发帖数: 7793 | 11 LBJ's teammate is much much worse than KB's. there is no comparison here.
Plus KB's problem is not only in this season. He has been who he is since he
entered the league--Selfish, self-centered on the court and off the court.
If you can not see that, then i can not help you.
If you play basketball and fan his skill, then i might remotely understand,
though basketball is still a team game and i would prefer someone who has
got skill and play teamballs. But if you don't play basketball at all an
【在 l**k 的大作中提到】
: 要说打team ball的话，那数据还得缩水，科黑就更高兴了－－看，数据比蟹黄差那么
: 多，不是一个档次的！
: 所以，这事情不太好办，lol
|
l**k
发帖数: 45267 | 12 队友差？那把06，07两个赛季的湖人阵容跟现在的骑士比怎么样？
lbj和kb都不在玩team ball－－nba就不是个玩team ball的地方，不要做梦了，呵呵
he
.
,
?
【在 W********m 的大作中提到】
: LBJ's teammate is much much worse than KB's. there is no comparison here.
: Plus KB's problem is not only in this season. He has been who he is since he
: entered the league--Selfish, self-centered on the court and off the court.
: If you can not see that, then i can not help you.
: If you play basketball and fan his skill, then i might remotely understand,
: though basketball is still a team game and i would prefer someone who has
: got skill and play teamballs. But if you don't play basketball at all an
|
W********m
发帖数: 7793 | 13 that's why he is first rounder in those two season, one didn't even make it
to the playoff? ( i don't remember anymore). but this is beyond the point.
Pure basketball skill wise (play 1 one 1), i would think MJ>LBJ=KB at this
moment ( LBJ might be better in the future but i don't think he is there yet
.) the difference is so small and there is no point to argue. But his
character flaw is so significant, there is nothing he can make up with.
【在 l**k 的大作中提到】
: 队友差？那把06，07两个赛季的湖人阵容跟现在的骑士比怎么样？
: lbj和kb都不在玩team ball－－nba就不是个玩team ball的地方，不要做梦了，呵呵
:
: he
: .
: ,
: ?
|
l**k
发帖数: 45267 | 14 那时候湖人的阵容难道不是比现在这个骑士差很多？
除了喇嘛有nba首发水准，剩下三个luke，kwame，smush都什么人？
进季后赛的除了湖人，还有谁拿这么多nbdl的当首发？
进了季后赛而且差点把日队吓死，已经够可以了，你倒是标准挺高
打纯的team ball，除了04年活塞有那么点样子，其他都歇了。nba就是个造星的商业联
盟，想看team ball还不如去看NCAA，你这是缘木求鱼
it
.
this
yet
【在 W********m 的大作中提到】
: that's why he is first rounder in those two season, one didn't even make it
: to the playoff? ( i don't remember anymore). but this is beyond the point.
: Pure basketball skill wise (play 1 one 1), i would think MJ>LBJ=KB at this
: moment ( LBJ might be better in the future but i don't think he is there yet
: .) the difference is so small and there is no point to argue. But his
: character flaw is so significant, there is nothing he can make up with.
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W********m
发帖数: 7793 | 15 what is your point? are you trying to say that KB is way better than MJ and
LBJ? ask yourself again whether you believe this? 最多可以说个有所长. It
is impossible to have an absolute answer who is better. but we can agree
that the difference is small that can be ignored. However KB's character is
flawed and you have not argue that at all. So i assume you agree and my
point get through to you.
【在 l**k 的大作中提到】
: 那时候湖人的阵容难道不是比现在这个骑士差很多？
: 除了喇嘛有nba首发水准，剩下三个luke，kwame，smush都什么人？
: 进季后赛的除了湖人，还有谁拿这么多nbdl的当首发？
: 进了季后赛而且差点把日队吓死，已经够可以了，你倒是标准挺高
: 打纯的team ball，除了04年活塞有那么点样子，其他都歇了。nba就是个造星的商业联
: 盟，想看team ball还不如去看NCAA，你这是缘木求鱼
:
: it
: .
: this
|
l**k
发帖数: 45267 | 16 我说的很清楚了，你到NBA来找team ball，就是缘木求鱼
帮主当然是nba永远的神，这个不参与比较。同样，他之所以成为神也不是靠打team
ball得出来的。我就是对你们非要在nba里看team ball不太理解，就跟非要在沙漠里找
树林似的，这不是缺乏常识么。。。。
and
It
is
【在 W********m 的大作中提到】
: what is your point? are you trying to say that KB is way better than MJ and
: LBJ? ask yourself again whether you believe this? 最多可以说个有所长. It
: is impossible to have an absolute answer who is better. but we can agree
: that the difference is small that can be ignored. However KB's character is
: flawed and you have not argue that at all. So i assume you agree and my
: point get through to you.
|
W********m
发帖数: 7793 | 17 I agree NBA is not about team ball. They need superstar to be profitable.
But you are still playing a team game and you need to get along with your
teammate. You can take over the 4th quarter when the game is on the line.
You can take over the game when the other team is making a run. You can keep
your team close when your teammates are bricking. You can keep your scoring
above 30 with many different ways because you are a superstar. BUT you DON
'T have to take 40 shots a game when there are pl
【在 l**k 的大作中提到】
: 我说的很清楚了，你到NBA来找team ball，就是缘木求鱼
: 帮主当然是nba永远的神，这个不参与比较。同样，他之所以成为神也不是靠打team
: ball得出来的。我就是对你们非要在nba里看team ball不太理解，就跟非要在沙漠里找
: 树林似的，这不是缺乏常识么。。。。
:
: and
: It
: is
|
W********m
发帖数: 7793 | 18 讲得轻点是不会做人。 讲得重点他就是sb 一个。这种人最后会死得很惨。wait.. why
are you fanning KB again?
keep
scoring
DON
.
have
DON"
【在 W********m 的大作中提到】
: I agree NBA is not about team ball. They need superstar to be profitable.
: But you are still playing a team game and you need to get along with your
: teammate. You can take over the 4th quarter when the game is on the line.
: You can take over the game when the other team is making a run. You can keep
: your team close when your teammates are bricking. You can keep your scoring
: above 30 with many different ways because you are a superstar. BUT you DON
: 'T have to take 40 shots a game when there are pl
|
l**k
发帖数: 45267 | 19 yeah, you don't need 40 shots. kb average 20.8 FGA and 6.9 FTA in last
season, lbj was averaging 19.9 FGA and 9.4 FTA. now you tell me who shot
more? I didn't see any difference
keep
scoring
DON
.
have
DON"
【在 W********m 的大作中提到】
: I agree NBA is not about team ball. They need superstar to be profitable.
: But you are still playing a team game and you need to get along with your
: teammate. You can take over the 4th quarter when the game is on the line.
: You can take over the game when the other team is making a run. You can keep
: your team close when your teammates are bricking. You can keep your scoring
: above 30 with many different ways because you are a superstar. BUT you DON
: 'T have to take 40 shots a game when there are pl
|
l**k
发帖数: 45267 | 20 重点讲讲，如何个惨法，这种八卦用来挖坑不错
why
【在 W********m 的大作中提到】
: 讲得轻点是不会做人。 讲得重点他就是sb 一个。这种人最后会死得很惨。wait.. why
: are you fanning KB again?
:
: keep
: scoring
: DON
: .
: have
: DON"
|
|
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l**k
发帖数: 45267 | 21 再来一个wade：22 FGA, 9.7 FTA，谈到出手多，笑了
【在 l**k 的大作中提到】
: yeah, you don't need 40 shots. kb average 20.8 FGA and 6.9 FTA in last
: season, lbj was averaging 19.9 FGA and 9.4 FTA. now you tell me who shot
: more? I didn't see any difference
:
: keep
: scoring
: DON
: .
: have
: DON"
|
W********m
发帖数: 7793 | 22 No one is complaining in LBJ's team. But serveral teammate and coach have
complained in KB's team. everything i have mentioned never happened to LBJ.
talking about the data is meaningless.
【在 l**k 的大作中提到】
: yeah, you don't need 40 shots. kb average 20.8 FGA and 6.9 FTA in last
: season, lbj was averaging 19.9 FGA and 9.4 FTA. now you tell me who shot
: more? I didn't see any difference
:
: keep
: scoring
: DON
: .
: have
: DON"
|
B****t
发帖数: 1702 | 23 LBJ比起他被期待的程度并没什么可吹得，这种身体，这种培养环境，再说都期待多少
年了。说不好听的直到上个赛季，都有点扶不起来的感觉，个人觉得即便现在一个健康
的可比比LBJ的进攻要更有威胁，别谈什么ref，助攻之类的，就是把球搞进去的能力，
可比目前还是联盟第一，LBJ的心理素质上好象有点软。 |
p*********e
发帖数: 32207 | 24 如果说谈数据没意义的话
难道用有没有人抱怨来作为出手多不多的指标就更有意义?
LBJ.
【在 W********m 的大作中提到】
: No one is complaining in LBJ's team. But serveral teammate and coach have
: complained in KB's team. everything i have mentioned never happened to LBJ.
: talking about the data is meaningless.
|
l**k
发帖数: 45267 | 25 呵呵，不就是gasol想多要点出手么，这个可以支持
还several teammate，昨天有人把artest的话直接改成自己想要的，我就不说啥了
以前的smush倒是真的抱怨过，牛逼红红的，so what
LBJ.
【在 W********m 的大作中提到】
: No one is complaining in LBJ's team. But serveral teammate and coach have
: complained in KB's team. everything i have mentioned never happened to LBJ.
: talking about the data is meaningless.
|
n*****m
发帖数: 9872 | 26 哈哈，这句我昨天刚说过。
btw，你别浪费你的时间了。这些贩私从来都是避重就轻的，不会给你正面回答的
why
【在 W********m 的大作中提到】
: 讲得轻点是不会做人。 讲得重点他就是sb 一个。这种人最后会死得很惨。wait.. why
: are you fanning KB again?
:
: keep
: scoring
: DON
: .
: have
: DON"
|
l**k
发帖数: 45267 | 27 lol，我让他详细谈谈如何惨死法，是谁没有正面回答？
【在 n*****m 的大作中提到】
: 哈哈，这句我昨天刚说过。
: btw，你别浪费你的时间了。这些贩私从来都是避重就轻的，不会给你正面回答的
:
: why
|
W********m
发帖数: 7793 | 28 There is a significant difference here.
We are outsiders. We have no clue what is going on on court even if you
watch the game. We have no idea what is going on in the locker room. For us
to use the data is completely meaningless. Just like if you and me complain
about kb takes 40 shots, who cares. But, when insiders, teammates, coach
talk to media about, it is clear there is something wrong. And it didn't
happen only once. it didn't happen only to one teammates. you know the
problem is KB him
【在 p*********e 的大作中提到】
: 如果说谈数据没意义的话
: 难道用有没有人抱怨来作为出手多不多的指标就更有意义?
:
: LBJ.
|
m*****o
发帖数: 6598 | |
W********m
发帖数: 7793 | 30 i can elaborate. but what is the point to you. I have backed up my claim
with examples and logic. all you do is pick up small pieces 咬文嚼字。 you
have not given me any example that could deny my claim. sometimes, i don't
even follow your logic for arguement. 文科男吧?
【在 l**k 的大作中提到】
: lol，我让他详细谈谈如何惨死法，是谁没有正面回答？
|
|
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A*****e
发帖数: 29772 | 31 都审美疲劳了
【在 m*****o 的大作中提到】
: 每天都能看到新掐，好看。。。
|
m*****o
发帖数: 6598 | 32
比没得看好。。。
【在 A*****e 的大作中提到】
: 都审美疲劳了
|
W********m
发帖数: 7793 | 33 灌水比潜水fun多了...
【在 m*****o 的大作中提到】
:
: 比没得看好。。。
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p*********e
发帖数: 32207 | 34 "
We have no clue what is going on on court even if you
watch the game.
"
??
us
complain
【在 W********m 的大作中提到】
: There is a significant difference here.
: We are outsiders. We have no clue what is going on on court even if you
: watch the game. We have no idea what is going on in the locker room. For us
: to use the data is completely meaningless. Just like if you and me complain
: about kb takes 40 shots, who cares. But, when insiders, teammates, coach
: talk to media about, it is clear there is something wrong. And it didn't
: happen only once. it didn't happen only to one teammates. you know the
: problem is KB him
|
l**k
发帖数: 45267 | 35 没啥，好玩
【在 W********m 的大作中提到】
: i can elaborate. but what is the point to you. I have backed up my claim
: with examples and logic. all you do is pick up small pieces 咬文嚼字。 you
: have not given me any example that could deny my claim. sometimes, i don't
: even follow your logic for arguement. 文科男吧?
|
W********m
发帖数: 7793 | 36 斑竹也咬文嚼字啊。。。写这么多就挑一句。。 should i assume you agree with
the rest?
What i want to say is that, you can only see who is taking the shot/who is
making the shot. but you don't know what they are talking to each other on
court. You can't tell whether Paul Gasol is unhappy on court, but i bet
everyone on the court can tell. you don't need to play teamball, but you at
least need to make teammates not to resent you. Oh who is the hero that didn
't take one shot in second half in a crutial play off game?
【在 p*********e 的大作中提到】
: "
: We have no clue what is going on on court even if you
: watch the game.
: "
: ??
:
: us
: complain
|
p*********e
发帖数: 32207 | 37 不,我看到那里之后觉得不能接受,后面压根就没看.
at
didn
he
【在 W********m 的大作中提到】
: 斑竹也咬文嚼字啊。。。写这么多就挑一句。。 should i assume you agree with
: the rest?
: What i want to say is that, you can only see who is taking the shot/who is
: making the shot. but you don't know what they are talking to each other on
: court. You can't tell whether Paul Gasol is unhappy on court, but i bet
: everyone on the court can tell. you don't need to play teamball, but you at
: least need to make teammates not to resent you. Oh who is the hero that didn
: 't take one shot in second half in a crutial play off game?
|
W********m
发帖数: 7793 | 38 bs 啊。 can't argue with logic, but to disrespect others for no reason. 斑
竹和KB 一拼。不是球技， 是人品。。。
【在 p*********e 的大作中提到】
: 不,我看到那里之后觉得不能接受,后面压根就没看.
:
: at
: didn
: he
|
p*********e
发帖数: 32207 | 39 您到底在说什么啊?
我看了您的帖子到某一句认为有问题,所以没继续看而是把这一句标出然后回复,
有什么问题?
【在 W********m 的大作中提到】
: bs 啊。 can't argue with logic, but to disrespect others for no reason. 斑
: 竹和KB 一拼。不是球技， 是人品。。。
|
W********m
发帖数: 7793 | 40 自己想吧。反正写多了也没人看。 不过你fan kb 挺合适的。。 |
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l**k
发帖数: 45267 | 41 在我看来，爱看谁的球就看谁的球
可惜有的人就喜欢管别人的闲事
【在 W********m 的大作中提到】
: 自己想吧。反正写多了也没人看。 不过你fan kb 挺合适的。。
|
p*********e
发帖数: 32207 | 42 您想说啥不妨直说.何必遮遮掩掩的?
【在 W********m 的大作中提到】
: 自己想吧。反正写多了也没人看。 不过你fan kb 挺合适的。。
|
W********m
发帖数: 7793 | 43 是的。。 你也fan KB 很合适。no one cares. At least I do not care. but if
you try to argue that KB is a better basketball player (key: basketball
player), then i think you are wasting your time as well.
【在 l**k 的大作中提到】
: 在我看来，爱看谁的球就看谁的球
: 可惜有的人就喜欢管别人的闲事
|
W********m
发帖数: 7793 | 44 已经直说了。。 你还有设么不明白?
【在 p*********e 的大作中提到】
: 您想说啥不妨直说.何必遮遮掩掩的?
|
l**k
发帖数: 45267 | 45 lol，都是灌水，你以为另一派观点的就不是浪费时间了？
【在 W********m 的大作中提到】
: 是的。。 你也fan KB 很合适。no one cares. At least I do not care. but if
: you try to argue that KB is a better basketball player (key: basketball
: player), then i think you are wasting your time as well.
|
W********m
发帖数: 7793 | 46 这句回答. logic 总算还行. 不错.. 我同意你.
【在 l**k 的大作中提到】
: lol，都是灌水，你以为另一派观点的就不是浪费时间了？
|
p*********e
发帖数: 32207 | 47 发信人: Windstormm (Windstormm), 信区: Basketball
标 题: Re: 除了死硬大婶饭
发信站: BBS 未名空间站 (Fri Feb 12 13:55:37 2010, 美东)
bs 啊。 can't argue with logic, but to disrespect others for no reason. 斑
竹和KB 一拼。不是球技， 是人品。。。
来
你给说说这句话什么意思,我人品怎么了?我就是想听你直说一下.
【在 p*********e 的大作中提到】
: 不,我看到那里之后觉得不能接受,后面压根就没看.
:
: at
: didn
: he
|
g*****g
发帖数: 34805 | 48 Who cares about complaint, the ring is the thing.
Yep, ring never happend to LBJ too.
Now check MJ's relationship with his teammates
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Jq6avQRL37Y
Next time you want to bash Kobe, find a better excuse,
or just say you don't need excuse.
LBJ.
【在 W********m 的大作中提到】
: No one is complaining in LBJ's team. But serveral teammate and coach have
: complained in KB's team. everything i have mentioned never happened to LBJ.
: talking about the data is meaningless.
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n*****m
发帖数: 9872 | 49 the ring还要分是谁主打的呢。算下来，可鄙也就一个而已
老北京肯定会有的，拭目以待吧
【在 g*****g 的大作中提到】
: Who cares about complaint, the ring is the thing.
: Yep, ring never happend to LBJ too.
: Now check MJ's relationship with his teammates
: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Jq6avQRL37Y
: Next time you want to bash Kobe, find a better excuse,
: or just say you don't need excuse.
:
: LBJ.
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y***l
发帖数: 6963 | 50 kb去年一个
跟oneal那仨一个顶俩，所以他算有7个了
【在 n*****m 的大作中提到】
: the ring还要分是谁主打的呢。算下来，可鄙也就一个而已
: 老北京肯定会有的，拭目以待吧
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T***c
发帖数: 17256 | 51 true that
【在 y***l 的大作中提到】
: kb去年一个
: 跟oneal那仨一个顶俩，所以他算有7个了
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g*m
发帖数: 4659 | 52 when the haters bring the ring out, I know they surrender already.
【在 g*****g 的大作中提到】
: Who cares about complaint, the ring is the thing.
: Yep, ring never happend to LBJ too.
: Now check MJ's relationship with his teammates
: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Jq6avQRL37Y
: Next time you want to bash Kobe, find a better excuse,
: or just say you don't need excuse.
:
: LBJ.
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W********m
发帖数: 7793 | 53 这是真傻听不懂呢还是装傻? in this video, MJ say things to make other
players play harder. MJ wants to win so he wants other player to try harder.
Does any of them say MJ wants to break a scoring record to jeopardize
winning? How is that the same? MJ is all about winning. KB is all about
himself. It is so clear that KB is not about winning when he drives Shaq
away from the Lakers.
【在 g*****g 的大作中提到】
: Who cares about complaint, the ring is the thing.
: Yep, ring never happend to LBJ too.
: Now check MJ's relationship with his teammates
: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Jq6avQRL37Y
: Next time you want to bash Kobe, find a better excuse,
: or just say you don't need excuse.
:
: LBJ.
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g*****g
发帖数: 34805 | 54 Slap players to make them play hard, good one.
harder.
【在 W********m 的大作中提到】
: 这是真傻听不懂呢还是装傻? in this video, MJ say things to make other
: players play harder. MJ wants to win so he wants other player to try harder.
: Does any of them say MJ wants to break a scoring record to jeopardize
: winning? How is that the same? MJ is all about winning. KB is all about
: himself. It is so clear that KB is not about winning when he drives Shaq
: away from the Lakers.
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W********m
发帖数: 7793 | 55 great. at least you agree with the rest that i said.
【在 g*****g 的大作中提到】
: Slap players to make them play hard, good one.
:
: harder.
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