c**********r
发帖数: 138 | 1 大家好，想问一下大家的意见。
大家觉得是有了身份去law school呢还是没有太大关系？
现在在生化phd program。要是等身份的话，估计得博后然后死拼eb1。最快也得2年吧
。那时都30了。这只是说的最快最好的情况。有身份的话，不怕被fire掉。可以申请
loan。
谢谢各位的意见了。要是能顺带说一下回复者是否在律所工作或已在law school了就太
好了。这样方便我衡量。谢谢啦啊 |
a**********m
发帖数: 2098 | 2 top 14 (or near) -- you can give it a try before getting GC
otherwise, forget about it
This is a very general statement, but sometimes ppl need a fast and dirty so
lution.
【在 c**********r 的大作中提到】
: 大家好，想问一下大家的意见。
: 大家觉得是有了身份去law school呢还是没有太大关系？
: 现在在生化phd program。要是等身份的话，估计得博后然后死拼eb1。最快也得2年吧
: 。那时都30了。这只是说的最快最好的情况。有身份的话，不怕被fire掉。可以申请
: loan。
: 谢谢各位的意见了。要是能顺带说一下回复者是否在律所工作或已在law school了就太
: 好了。这样方便我衡量。谢谢啦啊
|
c**********r
发帖数: 138 | 3 Thanks! I am in Boston and I have to stay here due to personal reason. there
is only one top 14 here and I am pretty sure that I can't get into that one
;-)
How about BU or BC? are they considered top 14 near in your opinion?
what is ppl? |
c**********r
发帖数: 138 | 4 I like your username. I think you have really good sense of humor
so
【在 a**********m 的大作中提到】
: top 14 (or near) -- you can give it a try before getting GC
: otherwise, forget about it
: This is a very general statement, but sometimes ppl need a fast and dirty so
: lution.
|
a**********m
发帖数: 2098 | 5 ppl means people, sorry for the abbreviation
uhmmm, if you're bound to those two choices, it's a close case. i would say
probably on the lower side of the cut-off line. however, if you can get scho
larships (more than a small proportion) for either one, go for it
i'm not familiar with Boston's legal market, so i decide to refrain from com
ment and would like to see other friends' suggestion for you
there
one
【在 c**********r 的大作中提到】
: Thanks! I am in Boston and I have to stay here due to personal reason. there
: is only one top 14 here and I am pretty sure that I can't get into that one
: ;-)
: How about BU or BC? are they considered top 14 near in your opinion?
: what is ppl?
|
c**********r
发帖数: 891 | 6 楼主，我情况跟你基本一样。现在JD在读。
我比较鲁瑟，所以可能没什么参考价值——不过我感觉生物+JD找工作前景也不咋的。
不过是从一个深一些的火坑跳进了一个浅些的，而且一旦背上了loan，就没有回头路了
。何苦呢？
你要转行不如去读个CS的master。我同届的一个朋友，quit了生物，去年开始读CS，今
年就已经正式开始码工的幸福生活了。
【在 c**********r 的大作中提到】
: 大家好，想问一下大家的意见。
: 大家觉得是有了身份去law school呢还是没有太大关系？
: 现在在生化phd program。要是等身份的话，估计得博后然后死拼eb1。最快也得2年吧
: 。那时都30了。这只是说的最快最好的情况。有身份的话，不怕被fire掉。可以申请
: loan。
: 谢谢各位的意见了。要是能顺带说一下回复者是否在律所工作或已在law school了就太
: 好了。这样方便我衡量。谢谢啦啊
|
c**********r
发帖数: 138 | 7 呵呵。谢谢你的回复啊。我也有朋友去学CS神马的。现在已经开始工作了。他感觉工作
后还不错。总算跳出了生物这个火坑。我也很替他高兴。
其实转行读law。绝大一部分原因也是跳出火坑。但是为什么是law。我也说不清楚。因
为其他行业都不了解啊。不过我肯定读CS是不适合我的。
请问一下你有身份吗？能回答一下我的帖子的问题吗？
谢谢啦～！！
【在 c**********r 的大作中提到】
: 楼主，我情况跟你基本一样。现在JD在读。
: 我比较鲁瑟，所以可能没什么参考价值——不过我感觉生物+JD找工作前景也不咋的。
: 不过是从一个深一些的火坑跳进了一个浅些的，而且一旦背上了loan，就没有回头路了
: 。何苦呢？
: 你要转行不如去读个CS的master。我同届的一个朋友，quit了生物，去年开始读CS，今
: 年就已经正式开始码工的幸福生活了。
|
D******D
发帖数: 1022 | 8 i would strongly suggest you to secure GC before getting into law. that way
will make your life much easier.
【在 c**********r 的大作中提到】
: 大家好，想问一下大家的意见。
: 大家觉得是有了身份去law school呢还是没有太大关系？
: 现在在生化phd program。要是等身份的话，估计得博后然后死拼eb1。最快也得2年吧
: 。那时都30了。这只是说的最快最好的情况。有身份的话，不怕被fire掉。可以申请
: loan。
: 谢谢各位的意见了。要是能顺带说一下回复者是否在律所工作或已在law school了就太
: 好了。这样方便我衡量。谢谢啦啊
|
c**********r
发帖数: 891 | 9 我没身份，找工作的时候比较痛苦：比如你要是想找个local的小所，part-time干点杂
活，攒点legal practice的经验，就很麻烦。你把OPT花在这上面，以后正式实习OPT的
时间就可能不够用。可是不攒这种经验，简历上就只有science经历，缺少legal方面的
，我已经在mock interview的时候被质疑了好几次了。
如果给我机会重来一次，我可能phd毕业先找个大城市的比较清闲的实验室干破死道，
混绿卡+找patent agent，再法学院。
另外，你有没有考虑过转精算？据说也不难转。
JD虽然有可能挣钱多些，但太累。老子为了读这个，把游戏都戒了，不值啊！估计就算
工作了，也是有钱挣没时间花。
【在 c**********r 的大作中提到】
: 呵呵。谢谢你的回复啊。我也有朋友去学CS神马的。现在已经开始工作了。他感觉工作
: 后还不错。总算跳出了生物这个火坑。我也很替他高兴。
: 其实转行读law。绝大一部分原因也是跳出火坑。但是为什么是law。我也说不清楚。因
: 为其他行业都不了解啊。不过我肯定读CS是不适合我的。
: 请问一下你有身份吗？能回答一下我的帖子的问题吗？
: 谢谢啦～！！
|
a**********m
发帖数: 2098 | 10 have you tried CPT for the parttime job during the semester?
【在 c**********r 的大作中提到】
: 我没身份，找工作的时候比较痛苦：比如你要是想找个local的小所，part-time干点杂
: 活，攒点legal practice的经验，就很麻烦。你把OPT花在这上面，以后正式实习OPT的
: 时间就可能不够用。可是不攒这种经验，简历上就只有science经历，缺少legal方面的
: ，我已经在mock interview的时候被质疑了好几次了。
: 如果给我机会重来一次，我可能phd毕业先找个大城市的比较清闲的实验室干破死道，
: 混绿卡+找patent agent，再法学院。
: 另外，你有没有考虑过转精算？据说也不难转。
: JD虽然有可能挣钱多些，但太累。老子为了读这个，把游戏都戒了，不值啊！估计就算
: 工作了，也是有钱挣没时间花。
|
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D******D
发帖数: 1022 | 11 IP is not the only way after law school, quite a few of my friends with Ph.D
. go to other practices after law schools. I was a IP lawyer for almost a
year and I absolutely hate it. I just don't like so many deadlines and
dealing with stupid clients, agents and examiners and working my ass off. I
quit my IP position and found another firm job. The pay is similar but I
have quite a lot of free time to myself and can enjoy life better. BTW, I
did graduate from a top ten school.
【在 c**********r 的大作中提到】
: 我没身份，找工作的时候比较痛苦：比如你要是想找个local的小所，part-time干点杂
: 活，攒点legal practice的经验，就很麻烦。你把OPT花在这上面，以后正式实习OPT的
: 时间就可能不够用。可是不攒这种经验，简历上就只有science经历，缺少legal方面的
: ，我已经在mock interview的时候被质疑了好几次了。
: 如果给我机会重来一次，我可能phd毕业先找个大城市的比较清闲的实验室干破死道，
: 混绿卡+找patent agent，再法学院。
: 另外，你有没有考虑过转精算？据说也不难转。
: JD虽然有可能挣钱多些，但太累。老子为了读这个，把游戏都戒了，不值啊！估计就算
: 工作了，也是有钱挣没时间花。
|
c**********r
发帖数: 891 | 12 谢谢，第一年刚结束。正在用难看的GPA找SA。。。Summer的时候学校直接让办OPT,最
后还是给老师干RA了。entertainment law, copyright方面的，目前看挺有意思的。主
要有一个phd，往完全不相关的领域转，怎么能让story更让人信服？
另外，今年大所的opening比去年好点，现在T14不保险了。最好是能进T6。
【在 a**********m 的大作中提到】
: have you tried CPT for the parttime job during the semester?
|
a**********m
发帖数: 2098 | 13 i used CPT for both summers
just FYI
【在 c**********r 的大作中提到】
: 谢谢，第一年刚结束。正在用难看的GPA找SA。。。Summer的时候学校直接让办OPT,最
: 后还是给老师干RA了。entertainment law, copyright方面的，目前看挺有意思的。主
: 要有一个phd，往完全不相关的领域转，怎么能让story更让人信服？
: 另外，今年大所的opening比去年好点，现在T14不保险了。最好是能进T6。
|
y**o
发帖数: 2115 | 14 which field did you transfer to?
.D
I
【在 D******D 的大作中提到】
: IP is not the only way after law school, quite a few of my friends with Ph.D
: . go to other practices after law schools. I was a IP lawyer for almost a
: year and I absolutely hate it. I just don't like so many deadlines and
: dealing with stupid clients, agents and examiners and working my ass off. I
: quit my IP position and found another firm job. The pay is similar but I
: have quite a lot of free time to myself and can enjoy life better. BTW, I
: did graduate from a top ten school.
|
D******D
发帖数: 1022 | 15 check your mail
【在 y**o 的大作中提到】
: which field did you transfer to?
:
: .D
: I
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d********9
发帖数: 3927 | 16 law firm doesn't sponsor GC. So use your brain -- what if you are fired by
the law firm? Your immigration status will be in jeopardy. Things like this
happen to some of my friends in 09.
【在 c**********r 的大作中提到】
: 大家好，想问一下大家的意见。
: 大家觉得是有了身份去law school呢还是没有太大关系？
: 现在在生化phd program。要是等身份的话，估计得博后然后死拼eb1。最快也得2年吧
: 。那时都30了。这只是说的最快最好的情况。有身份的话，不怕被fire掉。可以申请
: loan。
: 谢谢各位的意见了。要是能顺带说一下回复者是否在律所工作或已在law school了就太
: 好了。这样方便我衡量。谢谢啦啊
|
d********9
发帖数: 3927 | 17 also, to tell you the truth, some of my friends who are in law really really
hate it. Unless you can make partner, your legal education pretty much is
just as useless as your biology education.
And chances of making partner is similar to your chances of winning the
jackpot.
【在 c**********r 的大作中提到】
: 大家好，想问一下大家的意见。
: 大家觉得是有了身份去law school呢还是没有太大关系？
: 现在在生化phd program。要是等身份的话，估计得博后然后死拼eb1。最快也得2年吧
: 。那时都30了。这只是说的最快最好的情况。有身份的话，不怕被fire掉。可以申请
: loan。
: 谢谢各位的意见了。要是能顺带说一下回复者是否在律所工作或已在law school了就太
: 好了。这样方便我衡量。谢谢啦啊
|
x*****u
发帖数: 776 | 18 I work for a law school. I have seen lots of burnt out ex attorneys and law
students who passed the bar but couldn't find a job. Recently we had a laid
off DA (district attorney) who has 10 years experiences practicing law apply
for one of our positions that only requires a high school diploma. I would
NEVER invest that much money to go to law school knowing the job market is a
joke. My employer offered to pay for me to get a JD. Otherwise, I would
never have considered it...
【在 c**********r 的大作中提到】
: 大家好，想问一下大家的意见。
: 大家觉得是有了身份去law school呢还是没有太大关系？
: 现在在生化phd program。要是等身份的话，估计得博后然后死拼eb1。最快也得2年吧
: 。那时都30了。这只是说的最快最好的情况。有身份的话，不怕被fire掉。可以申请
: loan。
: 谢谢各位的意见了。要是能顺带说一下回复者是否在律所工作或已在law school了就太
: 好了。这样方便我衡量。谢谢啦啊
|
d***a
发帖数: 426 | 19 If you wanna go for patent law, i would suggest forget about it. Law school
will cost you a lot of money, but as a patent lawyer, you are not going to
make as much money as the other lawyers do. Besides, the job of patent
lawyer is quite boring. Unless you can get into top 14 law school, otherwise
, forget about it. |
c**********r
发帖数: 138 | 20 Thanks for your reply. Are you in law? How do you like it? I am not
comparing IP to other legal field. I am comparing legal profession to
science.
school
otherwise
【在 d***a 的大作中提到】
: If you wanna go for patent law, i would suggest forget about it. Law school
: will cost you a lot of money, but as a patent lawyer, you are not going to
: make as much money as the other lawyers do. Besides, the job of patent
: lawyer is quite boring. Unless you can get into top 14 law school, otherwise
: , forget about it.
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x********r
发帖数: 70 | 21 The issue here is not comparing science (biochem in your case) to law. It is
a wise move to seek a career change if you don't like your current one. It
is not, however, to assume that law school will help you tremendously for
your job prospects. Truth is you will likely still struggle after 3 years,
unless you go to a top (some say T14, some say T6) school or you want to
practice law other than patent prosecution. But then the PhD background will
drag you down as it is difficult to convince firms you want to do something
non-patent.
And always remember that there are other options some of which cost much
less time and money than law school. |
c**********r
发帖数: 138 | 22 Thanks for the reply. Indeed, as you said, the bottom line is to change a
career path if I'm not enjoying doing what I am doing now. as for legal
profession, I really don't have good sense of what the market is like. And I
do appreciate all your thoughts and information. It really helps me clarify
my thoughts a little bit.
Maybe I should take the LSAT first. That might solve the problem for me by
itself.
By the way, i took my cold diagnosis and scored 147. is it too pathetic?
is
It
will
something
【在 x********r 的大作中提到】
: The issue here is not comparing science (biochem in your case) to law. It is
: a wise move to seek a career change if you don't like your current one. It
: is not, however, to assume that law school will help you tremendously for
: your job prospects. Truth is you will likely still struggle after 3 years,
: unless you go to a top (some say T14, some say T6) school or you want to
: practice law other than patent prosecution. But then the PhD background will
: drag you down as it is difficult to convince firms you want to do something
: non-patent.
: And always remember that there are other options some of which cost much
: less time and money than law school.
|
D******D
发帖数: 1022 | 23 i took my cold diagnosis and scored 147. is it too pathetic?
it is not great but it is not too pathetic either. Different people can
achieve varied scores after practice. I see people get 175 from 150, and I
also see people can only get 160 from 150. It really depends.
I
clarify
【在 c**********r 的大作中提到】
: Thanks for the reply. Indeed, as you said, the bottom line is to change a
: career path if I'm not enjoying doing what I am doing now. as for legal
: profession, I really don't have good sense of what the market is like. And I
: do appreciate all your thoughts and information. It really helps me clarify
: my thoughts a little bit.
: Maybe I should take the LSAT first. That might solve the problem for me by
: itself.
: By the way, i took my cold diagnosis and scored 147. is it too pathetic?
:
: is
|
c**********r
发帖数: 138 | 24 Certainly feel good to know that the cold diagnosis is not very indicative.
Thanks
【在 D******D 的大作中提到】
: i took my cold diagnosis and scored 147. is it too pathetic?
: it is not great but it is not too pathetic either. Different people can
: achieve varied scores after practice. I see people get 175 from 150, and I
: also see people can only get 160 from 150. It really depends.
:
: I
: clarify
|
y**o
发帖数: 2115 | 25 建议还是要先深入了解自己对law的兴趣和潜能，尤其是对于将来打算从事的方向，这
两方面都没问题的话，还是值得一试的，至少可以先考个LSAT试试能申请到什么样的学
校，这个成本不高的，如果没法申请到top的学校，再纠结也不迟。
I
clarify
【在 c**********r 的大作中提到】
: Thanks for the reply. Indeed, as you said, the bottom line is to change a
: career path if I'm not enjoying doing what I am doing now. as for legal
: profession, I really don't have good sense of what the market is like. And I
: do appreciate all your thoughts and information. It really helps me clarify
: my thoughts a little bit.
: Maybe I should take the LSAT first. That might solve the problem for me by
: itself.
: By the way, i took my cold diagnosis and scored 147. is it too pathetic?
:
: is
|
A*****s
发帖数: 171 | 26 My two cents: take the LSAT first and spend some time preparing for the test
. You need give your best shot. Even if you eventually decide not to go to
law school, LSAT preparation can still somewhat help you improve your
reading and crtitical thinking skills. At the same time, you can either sit
in a few law school classes or do some patent-related work to see if you
actually enjoy law, but remember that studying law is very different from
practicing law. Depending on the person, some enjoy and excel at the former
while others are the opposite. This is not an easy profession, not matter
you practice in big law, small law, government or in-house. Lawyers usually
work longer hours than others and are often under tremendous pressure due to
the sensitivity of the work involved and the pressing deadlines. You need
passion, commitment and hard work, in addition to many other skills, to
survive in this field (which might jsut apply to many other professions). |
L**P
发帖数: 3792 | 27 要是认识更多的associate和他们谈就知道这个行业的实际情况和一般人的感觉是差别
多么大了
好找工作么？如果非top20的学校，一大把毕业的找不到工作，如果没绿卡没身份找个
不要钱的intern都难
赚得多么？你把工资减掉贷款，实际工资也就10万不到
有前途么？表面上看是成不成为partner，但是lawfirm不是有产品的公司，实际上就是
很多个体户做生意凑一起想形成集体优势，但很多时候成不成功就看你个人搞关系拉生
意的本事，你法律业务能力是重要，但是不是第一因素。知不知道要成为equity
partner是要你出钱买的？比如说50万入股。
成为partner又如何？自负盈亏，你要是生意不够大，可能赚的还不如senior
associate，同理这也是为什么senior associate容易被走人
很多很多负面的因素在里面，仅供参考，10个associate里面会有9个说这条路花不来，
尤其是你只考虑钱的方面。
【在 c**********r 的大作中提到】
: 大家好，想问一下大家的意见。
: 大家觉得是有了身份去law school呢还是没有太大关系？
: 现在在生化phd program。要是等身份的话，估计得博后然后死拼eb1。最快也得2年吧
: 。那时都30了。这只是说的最快最好的情况。有身份的话，不怕被fire掉。可以申请
: loan。
: 谢谢各位的意见了。要是能顺带说一下回复者是否在律所工作或已在law school了就太
: 好了。这样方便我衡量。谢谢啦啊
|
f*****m
发帖数: 157 | 28 My background is similar to yours, but I am not doing IP. I have been
working for a big law firm for several years. For me, law school worked out
really well. I did struggle initially when looking for a job. Eventually I
managed to get into big law and survived two rounds of layoff. My job pays
well and I have no other way to make more money, which is why I am still
here. That being said, many of my colleagues are thinking about resigning
everyday. The long hours and stress are beyond your imagination, at least in
my practice area. I have also seen T10 law graduates unable to find a job
for years. I think I was just lucky.
Finally, bear in mind that if you are a smart people person, there are tons
of ways to make a lot more money that what lawyers make.
I
clarify
【在 c**********r 的大作中提到】
: Thanks for the reply. Indeed, as you said, the bottom line is to change a
: career path if I'm not enjoying doing what I am doing now. as for legal
: profession, I really don't have good sense of what the market is like. And I
: do appreciate all your thoughts and information. It really helps me clarify
: my thoughts a little bit.
: Maybe I should take the LSAT first. That might solve the problem for me by
: itself.
: By the way, i took my cold diagnosis and scored 147. is it too pathetic?
:
: is
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e******g
发帖数: 5 | 29 我觉得不会有最好的timing，其实应该是越早越好读law school. 不过也不能这么说，
如果你在自己的领域已经有认识，之后专注从事这方面的法律，我猜是不是行业背景比
是不是top 14更有用呢？比如说我是精算师，以后只想做保险方面的诉讼，那也不一定
是越早读law school越好吧？ |
j*******8
发帖数: 260 | 30 Daniel:
what law are you practicing now?
Thank you! |
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c**********r
发帖数: 138 | 31 Thank you!
"My job pays well and I have no other way to make more money, which is why
I am still here."
I think you really understand my situation here. Just one little question,
did you have a green card when you apply loan if you did?
out
in
tons
【在 f*****m 的大作中提到】
: My background is similar to yours, but I am not doing IP. I have been
: working for a big law firm for several years. For me, law school worked out
: really well. I did struggle initially when looking for a job. Eventually I
: managed to get into big law and survived two rounds of layoff. My job pays
: well and I have no other way to make more money, which is why I am still
: here. That being said, many of my colleagues are thinking about resigning
: everyday. The long hours and stress are beyond your imagination, at least in
: my practice area. I have also seen T10 law graduates unable to find a job
: for years. I think I was just lucky.
: Finally, bear in mind that if you are a smart people person, there are tons
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f*****m
发帖数: 157 | 32 I did not apply for a loan. But I have seen people getting loans without
greencards.
why
【在 c**********r 的大作中提到】
: Thank you!
: "My job pays well and I have no other way to make more money, which is why
: I am still here."
: I think you really understand my situation here. Just one little question,
: did you have a green card when you apply loan if you did?
:
: out
: in
: tons
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C*****e
发帖数: 1413 | 33 你太幽默了！“把游戏都戒了。”
看来你超喜欢游戏啊！俺从出生到现在从来没有玩过游戏。不好意思，所以看了，才笑
滴！
【在 c**********r 的大作中提到】
: 我没身份，找工作的时候比较痛苦：比如你要是想找个local的小所，part-time干点杂
: 活，攒点legal practice的经验，就很麻烦。你把OPT花在这上面，以后正式实习OPT的
: 时间就可能不够用。可是不攒这种经验，简历上就只有science经历，缺少legal方面的
: ，我已经在mock interview的时候被质疑了好几次了。
: 如果给我机会重来一次，我可能phd毕业先找个大城市的比较清闲的实验室干破死道，
: 混绿卡+找patent agent，再法学院。
: 另外，你有没有考虑过转精算？据说也不难转。
: JD虽然有可能挣钱多些，但太累。老子为了读这个，把游戏都戒了，不值啊！估计就算
: 工作了，也是有钱挣没时间花。
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t**i
发帖数: 10 | 34 well i know this is an old thread but this r my 2cents.
background: i was once a biochem phd student myself and i quit after 2 years
, i am at a t14, no GC, i will start at a big law corporate dept next year.
law school is prob the best decision i v made, in so far as it worked out
for me so far. u have one shot to cast a spell on ur destiny, which is also
known as oci. therefore, if u can get into a t14, do it, do it now, if u
cannot, think of something else (cs, pharmacy, physician assistant, health
care administration, health policy, epidemiology, biostat, or even med
school).
also, ur bio background cannot help u almost in any sense to get into ip
prosecution IMO, but i had no desire to do so. it will help to get into
certain ip lit groups at big law, or it can simply be a good story to tell
overall if u know how to spin it.
hope this helps. |
s*****a
发帖数: 3387 | 35 how do you pay for LAW school?
years
.
also
【在 t**i 的大作中提到】
: well i know this is an old thread but this r my 2cents.
: background: i was once a biochem phd student myself and i quit after 2 years
: , i am at a t14, no GC, i will start at a big law corporate dept next year.
: law school is prob the best decision i v made, in so far as it worked out
: for me so far. u have one shot to cast a spell on ur destiny, which is also
: known as oci. therefore, if u can get into a t14, do it, do it now, if u
: cannot, think of something else (cs, pharmacy, physician assistant, health
: care administration, health policy, epidemiology, biostat, or even med
: school).
: also, ur bio background cannot help u almost in any sense to get into ip
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H***R
发帖数: 30 | 36 考古看到这么多中肯的建议，让我相信大多数华人律师是good men。
谢谢！ |
