f*****g
发帖数: 15860 | 1 来自主题: TexasHoldem版 - 我靠故我输 i guess i'd lose value in common cases if i act stronger earlier.
1) realistically, this is not a hand to take someone's stack. how often do
we see flopped nuts and 2nd nuts in these 2 spots?
2) he over bets river first, my over shove is just acting accordingly.
your 16BB "win" (or 13BB more than mine) on the turn is conditional. if we
simplify the turn situation into 4 categories:
1) he has a flush or good flush draw, where we get good value;
2) mid PPs, where we lose all value;
3) Ax or 2x (in... 阅读全帖 |
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c*****t
发帖数: 817 | 2 I was following the main event final tables yesterday, and got stunned by
how bad these finalists are. I dont want to be too arrogant but I have to
say that half of them do not know how to play short-stacked final tables.
Hand 1:
X raised to 2BBs from MP. Y 3-bet to 4.5 BBs from button. X called. heads up
. X got 53 BBs stack. Y got him covered.
Flop 689 rainbow. check check. Pot: 10BBs.
Turn: J. Board is 689J now. X fired 5BBs. Y called.
River: 5. Board is 689J5 now. No flush possible. X tanked... 阅读全帖 |
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c*****t
发帖数: 817 | 3 最优打法下13bb没有raise的道理。shove or fold。关键是做到了完美的balance，如
果你AA和JT都shove的话。。
你的情况假设别人的calling range是AJ+, KQ+, 99+。大约是7%的牌。
后面4个人，被call的机会是1 - 0.93^4 = 25%。
手里没POKERSTOVE。但是简单假设JTs面对这个calling range有30%的机会。
手里13BB，锅里2BB。
75%的机会，你直接多2BB。
25%的机会被call。然后equity是27BB * 30% = 8BB。被call了输5BB。
所以你的EV 是2*0.75 - 5*0.25 = 0.25 BB。cash game的话是正的。
tourney bubble也没有那么可怕，最多ICM的chip value系数也就到1.2而已。也就是说
你手里的1个chip值外面的1.2.这样你的EV是 2*0.75 - 5*1.2*0.25 = 0. 正好0. 何况
你还没到bubble。
如果桌子都是紧B的话，推了是对的。如果桌子上都是好手的话。也应该推。因为好手
的callin... 阅读全帖 |
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c*****t
发帖数: 817 | 4 我从来不指望敌人会fold掉5%的牌。在我最初的回文中，我的假设是他们会用7%的牌来
call。即使这样JTs也是+EV的。
13bb stack情况下2bb steal有很多问题。
1. 你说你75％赢到2bb，25％输2bb。所以+ev。事实是如果你的对手是烂人的话。烂人
的特点就是preflop既不喜欢3bet也不喜欢fold。他们会call你的2bb raise for pot
odds。然后进去你就不好打了。13BB的stack你进去以后手里11bb，锅里5bb。基本上你
hit任何东西就要被迫打到全下了。而且这么短的stack-to-pot ratio，对OOP的一方是
非常有利的。他一个donk bet就commit了。你没有fold equity的情况下，所有的draw
都没法打。如果你的对手是好手的话。你会被疯狂的resteal。更是没法打。理论上说
12 ～ 18bb 本来就是resteal stack size而不是steal stack size。
2. 你怎么balance？ 你如果JTs raise/fold 2bb。那么你强牌比如AKs. TT这类的也只
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d*****0
发帖数: 1500 | 5 1 1K 11
2 750 3.3 $7.78
3 1.5K 11
4 1K 11
5 1.5K 3.3+3+3 $28.75
6 3K 11+10+10
1号，UTG+1,TJs 12bb open shove，take down。UTG A7o open shove 14bb into QQ,
knockout
2号，大盲位88 14bb 3bet shove rock 2.1x open + a flatter，take down。换桌，
第一把，UTG 16bb open shove with A9o，被两家AJo call到，suckout！紧接着第二
把，AKo，接了16bb 和8bb的两连推，hold！wow！card dead + busy with other
tables ＝ auto ITM，呵呵。hero 大盲位，55 10bb stack call EP 5bb shove>A9s。
UTG+1 TJo 13bb shove，take down。换桌，UTG 33，15bb，看到大小盲均... 阅读全帖 |
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W********m
发帖数: 7793 | 6 谁能搞个tourney 晚期不同位置的shove/call shove table 根据不同stack, say <7bb
, 7bb-13bb, 13bb+?
BTW, 11bb utg shove A10s 是不是太donkey 了, 6 people left on final table？ |
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y********n
发帖数: 2063 | 7 normal.
I do that a lot also. Reraise with air.
Usually I take a stab, and then fold. Reraise shows the strength.
(Today, I play a game very badly. I have KJ, flop K T 8, I raise from the
button, the SB repop me, I smooth call. Turn SB allin, the pot only has 13BB
in it, I have 24BB left. I must be not focus on the game, becomes a quick
call. So bad, if I think through it, I can beat nothing if such action there
. SB shows KT. Since call his repop on the flop is OK, just see what he is
doing on |
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l***q
发帖数: 62 | 8 不知道楼主是不是说的tournament，如果是tournament后期，有效stack都小于10BB，
又不是bubble，AK一般要跟。
但是Cash game里面正常stack AK不跟太正常了，如果有效stack大于100BB，我AK一般
都要放给4 Bet。昨天的一手牌，我在CO，fold到我前面一土人，raise to 6BB，我AKs
，reraise to 13BB，又fold到土人，土人推出一大把，至少60BB，我在1秒钟内就扔了
我的AKs，并亮给他看。他也亮出KK。我如果call可以说绝对要把自己的150BB commit
了，而他除了AA就是KK，难道还有比这个更糟糕的情况？ |
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t*********d
发帖数: 3398 | 9 可怜啊
This morning I bet 3bb at button with TT, SB raised to 10bb, I 4bet to 40 bb
, SB 5bet all in,I called。 TT vs. AK， 被他单张A在river来了个flush，和你差
不多。
之前KK UTG bet 3bb, MP raised to 13bb and I called, flop Qd8d3， MP all in
and I called. He had AA.
NND, 最近大家都背。 |
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t*********d
发帖数: 3398 | 10 抓bluff是个比较头痛的问题。 我的两手牌共参考。
1. Stack 50bb vs 50bb.
I had AA at button. Everyone folded to me. I opened raise 3bb. SB folded,BB
raised to 9bb and I flat called. Flop 934 rainbow, BB bet 12bb and I called.
Turn 2, no flush draw, BB checked and I pushed 28BB. He called. He showed
96o. River 5. I was bad beat by his straight.
2. Stack 50bb vs 50 bb vs 50bb
I was UTG with QQ and opened 3bb, UTG+1 called,big blinds raised to 9bb. I
and UTG+1 both called. Flop KT2 rainbow, BB bet 13bb, I folded, UTG+1 r |
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z****n
发帖数: 1514 | 11 结果是13BB/100hand. 最后有好几个bad beat，要不还要更高。
有一手牌我也许weak了，
我raise 3BB with pocket pair 5s, then BB calls.
Flop is 10 10 10, then BB checks, I bet 3BB again, BB calls.
Turn 4, then BB checks, I bet 1/2 pot, BB call again.
River 8, then BB bet 1 pot(which put me all in), I fold.
Should I call here? I guess BB only has a A or K here, but I also hesitate BB hits pair of 8. |
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L****n
发帖数: 490 | 12
你 EP, MP 比我高太多了。不知道是不是variance 的关系。
我觉得你cutoff 还可以松一点。
我EP 8bb/100
MP 13bb/100 |
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y********n
发帖数: 2063 | 13 the dean wins the tourney.
He shoves Jqo from btn around 13BB, I call with 55, and lost to him. Guess
my luck is not good. |
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y********n
发帖数: 2063 | 14 NO, I go deep, but not so lucky about some spots.
For example, I have aqs on the btn, BB has KK.
Btn shoves 13BB, I happens to have 55 in the blinds.
Lost 2 many flips, can not win the game. (I lost at least 6 all ins in that
game, the result can not be to very good.)
Watch the game all the way, dean wins 5 flips, and lose 1 flips.(all these
flips, he doubles up.)
his 88 beats another guy's 77 allin. ETC
Ak wins another guy's KQ.
AA wins btn's 88 shove. (all these are huge pots.)
I guess that i |
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s*********k
发帖数: 1989 | 15 1) 24+2 for 600+ Million Guarantee entry. Top 5 get entry, top 8 has $ and 7 ppl left.
BB=2K and average=14BB. I have 17BB at SB. SB=13BB.
Preflop, SB, T4o limp in; BB check
Flop, T72 rainbow, both check
turn, 3, SB 2BB (almost pot, flush draw); BB call.
river, blank(
BB with TJ win.
Bad time to allin. And No need to allin
2) 6 for 129 entry. First gets the entry. Top 4 has $, 4 left. BB=500
Avg chip=24BB. I have 19BB at SB.
Preflop, btn limpin, SB 9s4s call and BB check
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p*******p
发帖数: 13670 | 16 utg (100bb) raise 3x, mp1 called, I have qq at mp2 and raised to 13bb,
fold to utg, he reraised to 30bb, he is 33/25 for 56 hands, what shall I do
here |
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y********n
发帖数: 2063 | 17 In the morning, I spend 20 minutes to play 8 games, and have 4 bubbles. I
get beated every time I call other's allin.
I know it is not my day. And I should not call allins on the bubbles at all,
that is one huge mistake.
In the afternoon, I play super turbo sng again. This time, I shove allin by
myself, and get called every time.
Sometimes, the calling is just totally no-sense.
For example: I have K6s from SB, and I have note on BB("when I limp, he will
shove"), so I shove from SB. Get snap call... 阅读全帖 |
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d*****0
发帖数: 1500 | 18 凭记忆，大致如下，tourney, in the money, 24 ppl left，ante/blinds 1600/8000/
16000
pay structure: final 9 starts to jump significantly, 10 to 35 close
stack: hero 22bb 8th, v1 19bb 13rd, v2 12bb 18th
images:
hero: tricky player, flatted with over pair, post flop bluff/fold to shove
once, normal steal %, not 3 bet much, flat-in-blinds-range broadway+
v1: 25/23, recently dropped steal % after facing couple of 3bet shoves, high
cbet%, a4s btn 2bb steal/call tag short stack 8bb 3bet shove once
v2: preflop cal... 阅读全帖 |
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d*****0
发帖数: 1500 | 19 6max，last 12
final 9 get paid
most ppl stacks 10～15bb，chipsleader 30bb or so
hero 13bb，
一桌紧b，ajs＋，99＋ calling （shove）range，哥UTG＋1, tjs，shove
是否合理 |
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d*****0
发帖数: 1500 | 20
去年年底开始重心移到micro tourney，发现短筹情况下，shove或者raise还是有差别
。尤其是当majority都是短筹，或者 钱圈人数/剩余总人数 > 90％时，区别更明显，
某种程度上讲，这手牌我比较喜欢概率老湿的2bb raise/fold with TJs。化学老湿说
shove可以even range，但实际上，在那手牌的情形下，绝大多数对手，无法fold掉前5
％的牌。对手同样处于短筹，除非跟我有太多历史，且确实是pro，他们是无法想象，
我还有任何fold equity，在这种情况下，我的2bb的steal比13bb steal效率要高。2bb
75％赢到2bb，25％输2bb，still ＋EV。
概率老湿之前也提到，ICM并没有完全cover steal/defend、steal/resteal的trend，
有时候一个－chips ev的move，恰恰会给后面的甚至以后其他的tourney＋chips ev。
当然，哥还在苦逼学习中，还有太多知识缺乏，以上的只是些个人感受，望指正。 |
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d*****0
发帖数: 1500 | 21 在一般情况下，tjs在还有4个人的情况下open shove 13bb比raise 2bb/reevaluate
好，我完全同意
理由就是化学老湿所说的
1 遭遇flat call和resteal light
2 让自己的premium hand也被迫采取同样的line，从而增添很多麻烦
但是，象我这手牌里，存在extra信息，
1 我的image不错，几乎不showdown，wscf 和 wssd很高
2 整体筹码差不多，且都是相当短
3 离钱圈非常近了
4 range相当窄，即都是紧b，当然这个是建立在最近几十手牌的数据基础上的
所以给我的印象是，剩下的人中，非常小的％有人能flat、resteal到light的程度，如
果真有人flat，那几乎就投降了。所以化学老湿所说的情况1的％很小。
对于化学老湿说的情况2，我想，影响不大，理由是当我真的不幸遭遇到对手的resteal
从而弃牌，或者某种原因show down了这手牌，它也只影响到同样情况下的premium
hands。而事实是，如果是拿着premium hand的话，我的2bb raise就是准备get it in
，即使是... 阅读全帖 |
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d*****0
发帖数: 1500 | 22 4篇日记写下来，bankroll down了将近1k哈，今天又down 400，降级就在眼前，哥实在
是有点无奈。不过这也算是正常，本来学习就是要付出代价，这来回几千的对哥来说也
影响不到生活，相反的戒骄戒躁，该怎么玩就怎么玩，在哥看来才是更重要的，以此与
广大胸怀赌神梦想的有志宅男共勉。
05/27/13
1 4k 11 + 10
2 3k 60 + 55 + 55
3 3k 44 + 40
4 5k 11 + 11 + 11 + 11
5 10k 60
6 4k 33
1) AA win 100bb against JJ on QT2r 3bet flop. Villain is marked as overplay
fish. UTG limp, UTG+1 limp, MP min raise 2bb, BUTTON call, SB call, hero on
BB with KK pot size squeeze 12bb, MP flat, BUTTON flat, flop 456r, BUTTON
shove his rest 2x... 阅读全帖 |
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c*****t
发帖数: 817 | 23 why do you need any formula since there are only two possiblities? You dont
need to complicate things with formulas.
1. He folds. You gain 5bbs -- 3bbs from his raise and 2bbs from blinds and
antes.
2. He calls. The pot is 38bbs. You have 35% equity in the pot. So on average
you end up with 38 * 35% = 13bbs -- you lose 5bbs on average.
So you need him to fold with >=50% chance to make this move positive.
Of course, as his call range becomes bigger then you will also have more
equity in the final... 阅读全帖 |
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d*****0
发帖数: 1500 | 24 1 5.5+5+5
2(0815) 11+10+10
3(8203) 11 $26.22
4(4529) 3.3
5 11
6(7995) 11
7(9995) 11+10+10
8(399) 3.3+3+3
1, late registered, did notice it is a turbo. I only have 5bb on big blind
with QTo, shove and lost. Double re-buy, 10bb on small blind with KQs, shove
, knockout. 迅雷不及掩耳盗铃啊 ~_~b
2, kinda run good at beginning, 2 sets cleared 2 overplay guys. Is today my
SET day?lol, 66 flat at btn and hit another set, cleared a donk's combo draw
. 2 hours lat... 阅读全帖 |
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d*****0
发帖数: 1500 | 25 1 1k gtd 11
2 1.5k gtd 11
3 750 gtd 3.3
4 500 gtd 22 $208
5 1.5k gtd 3.3+3+3
6 3k gtd 11+10+10 $64.60
-87.6 272.6 +185
1, AJo 10bb < 77, out
2, 66 10bb reshove CL 2bb open, CL call, <99, out
3, T7o on SB shove 6bb BB < AQo, K5s MP 6bb open shove<33, out
4, BTN 10bb K6o shove MP CL(41/0)'s limp, SB snap reshove, > SB's AJo,
double up.
Stack 25bb, Pos 4/6, first 4 get paid,这桌打得要毁三观了，昨那位奇葩哥风格大
变41/11/2，坐哥左手，再左面又是一家32/6/6，各种烂牌flat。哥慢慢看戏。10bb EP
with ... 阅读全帖 |
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h*****s
发帖数: 3289 | 26 星期五finished third了一个180-buy in tourny, good for about 2.5k....
星期六乘手热又买进了一个150buy-in 近俩百人人参加 头奖大概快7k吧 一开始打得很
顺 迅速积累了一个healthy stack 到了刺刀见红的时候输了两个关键扔硬币 一个是
button shoved with 55, I woke up with AK in small blind and lost.....很长一
段时间都card dead 撑到快bubble了 在big blind hold 69o... 这时候噹当当4个
limpers flop:695 with two heats....我当时剩13BBs左右 害怕丑陋的事发生 就
shove了 一个接一个fold button一个老头(!!!!)snap called my shove with 23 off-
suitted and no hearts(!!!!!!!!!!).... 4 on the turn, and another 4 on the
river.......
这老头... 阅读全帖 |
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s*****s
发帖数: 1130 | 27 握个手,我最近也在bovada玩NL200,-2bb/100,虽然EV有13bb/100,郁闷死了. 如果能找
齐人,算我一个.
你说以前看过他的video有帮助,能share一下么?
7bb/ |
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d*****0
发帖数: 1500 | 28 来自主题: TexasHoldem版 - 问一手牌 in the money，排名26/27，下一个pay jump在24，hero stack 13bb。
hero大盲位，loose UTG big stack limp，limp to hero at bb with q6o，check
7 way flop，39Qr，what would you do here? |
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t********t
发帖数: 5415 | 29 来自主题: TexasHoldem版 - 问一手牌 8bb pot你有13bb，lead 1/2pot被人shove了你会扔？donk shove不是最好打法不假，
但是我觉得lead half pot被shove了你还是会接... |
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t********t
发帖数: 5415 | 30 so, 25/hr @1/2 -> 13bb/hr -> 25hands/hour -> 50bb/100...这么高
Played |
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f********d
发帖数: 796 | 31 本人从2016年初开始打牌，一直努力学习。目前主打bovada 9max NL50.我会把每天有
意思的牌普记录下来，有打的臭的，打的好的。大家一起讨论学习。
从7月开始用软件记录自己的成绩，目前好像是5bb/100 hand，大概2-3万手牌吧。之前
在水木上贴牌普，以后两边一起更新。
hand8
好久没来了，发两手nit fold
hero has KJo MP, V open 3bb EP. Hero call. both has around 100bb
flop JJ8 R, V check, hero bet 60% pot. V call
Turn 4, now board has two d. V check , hero bet 70% pot. V call
River is 7d, V shove allin. Hero tank fold
这个对手有点疯，但是我读他可能是88，9dTd这样的牌。
hand 9
hero has AKo MP open 3bb，V is in CO call the open. both 100b
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f********d
发帖数: 796 | 32 Hand 22
Bad line or just cooler?
6max game. eff stack is around 80bb.
Hero with AQs at BB. ugt+1 open 3bb. btn flat call. Hero 3bet to 13bb. Both
flat.
Flop A45 rainbow. Hero lead half pot. ugt+1 fold. btn call.
Turn 9. now hero has a flush draw. Hero lead another 60% and it is allin now
. btn snap call. showing 55. river is 4.
这样的牌如果你们遇到会这样打么？btn在flop上的call实在不好估计，很有可能是67
， 或者Ax。总之就是如果turn上没有这个flush draw。我可能会check。但是如果有的
话算是一个top pair的semi bluff。 |
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f********d
发帖数: 796 | 33 本人从2016年初开始打牌，一直努力学习。目前主打bovada 9max NL50.我会把每天有
意思的牌普记录下来，有打的臭的，打的好的。大家一起讨论学习。
从7月开始用软件记录自己的成绩，目前好像是5bb/100 hand，大概2-3万手牌吧。之前
在水木上贴牌普，以后两边一起更新。
hand8
好久没来了，发两手nit fold
hero has KJo MP, V open 3bb EP. Hero call. both has around 100bb
flop JJ8 R, V check, hero bet 60% pot. V call
Turn 4, now board has two d. V check , hero bet 70% pot. V call
River is 7d, V shove allin. Hero tank fold
这个对手有点疯，但是我读他可能是88，9dTd这样的牌。
hand 9
hero has AKo MP open 3bb，V is in CO call the open. both 100b
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f********d
发帖数: 796 | 34 Hand 22
Bad line or just cooler?
6max game. eff stack is around 80bb.
Hero with AQs at BB. ugt+1 open 3bb. btn flat call. Hero 3bet to 13bb. Both
flat.
Flop A45 rainbow. Hero lead half pot. ugt+1 fold. btn call.
Turn 9. now hero has a flush draw. Hero lead another 60% and it is allin now
. btn snap call. showing 55. river is 4.
这样的牌如果你们遇到会这样打么？btn在flop上的call实在不好估计，很有可能是67
， 或者Ax。总之就是如果turn上没有这个flush draw。我可能会check。但是如果有的
话算是一个top pair的semi bluff。 |
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T*********s
发帖数: 17839 | 35 来自主题: _Stockcafeteria版 - 出乎意料 BPFH?
50MA这地方还蛮坚强的
13BB的下沿也是这里 |
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y********n
发帖数: 2063 | 36 not goal oriented.
if I have only 12bb-13bb, it is a good shove.
If I have 21bb, it becomes a bad shove.
If I have AA, I will 3bet there. He raise to 2.7bb, I will reraise to 7bb.
for
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