p*******p
发帖数: 13670 | 1 还好了,现在很多人aa喜欢limp 或者smooth call raise, 但是其实我不推荐limp 太多
aa, 你这几手牌是正好冤家牌,怎么都是all-in,其实这个和bottom set 碰到middle
set一样,没啥可说的了, 一般200bb以内我都会stack,200bb以上我可能会fold bottom/
middle set |
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d*****0
发帖数: 1500 | 2 来自主题: TexasHoldem版 - 上来哭一哭 btn limp, me sb pot size raise, bb pot size rr, btn fold, then i shoved all
my damn 200bb, bb thought a bit, then called with his 200bb
coz i get used to shove aks and kk+, did not think too much, so sad!!
first day play 50NL |
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d*****0
发帖数: 1500 | 3 我觉得老版主get the point，然后ak哥扯到别的地方去了。
如果ak哥真心想protect the capital and avoid variance，limp/flat with suited
small ace就失去了它的point，从长远来看，就是慢慢地一次一次地donate你的这种情
况下的6个bb。要知道，捐15次，也就相当于一个buyin了，且这十五次里，有多少次能
够看到类似的dream flop？很多时候，一点不击中还好，要是击中一个a或者7什么的，
还得继续兜进去chips，真正的在那么多case里，能够成为winner of the cooler，把
对手一锅端，赢下200bb的概率，实在太小。反倒是，人真正能跟ak哥commit 200bb的
hands，往往领先于flush以外的A7 made hand。
换句话说，玩非premium hands本身就代表了追求implied odds和不可避免的variance
。我想ak哥打牌，主要还是喜欢牌局上的小搏弈，偶尔赢点小钱，心里无限
comfortable。如果是这样的话，真的没必要，去玩那些，输了会... 阅读全帖 |
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d*****0
发帖数: 1500 | 4 大半夜的 两位大哥还不睡啊
我觉得这个话题真的是挺有趣 忍不住再说两句
A7s out of position, limp/flat tag with ~200bb stack in a 3 way pot,这个打法
，在相对较松，且有action的live game里，并不是错误的打法啊。
但是，一旦进局，并且在这个spot上放弃，这整套策略才是有问题的。这里的commit，
并不是再兜进去200bb作为underdog，面对未知对手在这里的aggression，hero突然就
有位置了，且拥有足够的equity继续下去，是hero能见到的相对比较简单的situation
哈。
至于，老版主说，到关键时刻，又下不了决心了，我觉得，这不是有没有ball的问题哈
，这是money effect哈。money上了桌就只是chips了哈，anti gamble和prefer gamble
都是-ev的哈，+ev且bankroll不会被wipeout就上哈，睡觉了哈~~ |
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w***w
发帖数: 6301 | 5 第一手就是在一个没有价值的牌面用了差不多200BB去bluff。（在网上和赌场最高
buyin也就是200BB）。
再往后更是动不动用100多BB去bluff，除了play money，没见过这种打法。是不是国内
都是这么打的？
我不知道谁是什么头衔，我只知道这么打在网上打1c/2c很快就会输光。
还有为什么bet都要说成raise？是不是这几个冠军都不懂基本术语？ |
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l**4
发帖数: 853 | 6 直接买个200BB的GC不行吗？为什么还倒过去买amazon的？amazon的卡更值钱？ |
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f*******w
发帖数: 13821 | 7 1.别忘从cashback网站进去
2.据说可以用BB GC买
3.amex有200返20offer别忘用，网上不知道是不是一定拿到
或者chase freedom本月还是5%
真有心跳的话，我假设的scenario：
load amex bb的200返20 offer，去店里 一单！ 买4张50的bb gc！
很多cash back网站有3%之类的cash back啦。比如mr rebates，
从这里点进去，买gc，50的和10的要同时加到cart，10的那个会free，或者先从
dealsea进去加好。出来找cb网站，再点进去？应该可以吧，谁给验证下。
用instore里用amex买来的gc结账，
amex花200买200bb gc，返20，就是花了180
再用这200gc分4单买那50送10的gc，不就是拿到240么
申明，我没试过概不负责哦。
btw，可能要不同地址才能下多单 |
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f*******w
发帖数: 13821 | 8 好像今天有人买的都说没收到email，不过amex的一点都不用担心
很多cash back网站有3%之类的cash back啦。比如mr rebates，ua shopping
从这里点进去，买gc，用instore里用amex买来的gc结账，
amex花200买200bb gc，返20，就是花了180
再用这200gc分4单买那50送10的gc，不就是拿到240么 |
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d*******g
发帖数: 114 | 9 Apple的投资基本上都是低风险低收益的，这就是Icahn一直在argue的一条：Apple
should not be managing the $200bb，instead，distribute the cash to investors
. Let them make their own decisions. |
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n*******y
发帖数: 3337 | 10 【 以下文字转载自 TexasHoldem 讨论区 】
发信人: fcf (fcf), 信区: TexasHoldem
标 题: 扑克玩家的成长
发信站: BBS 未名空间站 (Sun Feb 7 10:58:11 2010, 美东)
转发一个我几个月以前写的东西
扑克玩家的成长
这是我对扑克玩家的成长一点心得，不一定都是对的，总是有特例的，但我想对大
多数人来说是差不多的。
级别1：
刚刚学会打牌的规则，没有任何技巧的概念，打牌基本是乱玩。
级别2：
看了一点资料，可能看了一本书，知道了pot odds, position, 知道了打牌要tight
aggressive, 不过其实并不懂为什么， 也不知道怎么样打才叫tight aggressive, 打
牌的技巧基本只知道preflop, flop, 如果问问题的话，一般只记得自己有什么牌，
flop上有什么牌，对每个人的动作只记得是bet/check/raise, 不在意下注的大小，
大家的位置，stack 大小，等等。这时候记得的牌多半是AA/KK 这种牌。
级别3：
玩了上万手牌了，输了一些，这是一个分界线，有些人输了就... 阅读全帖 |
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c**********o
发帖数: 213 | 11 but the most important of this update is~~~~~~~~~they kill short stakes
wahahahahaaaaaaaa
Cap: No change (already at 1:1 for max/min)
Normal: 35bb min, 100bb max (now under 3:1)
Deep: 75bb min, 200bb max (now under 3:1) |
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p*******p
发帖数: 13670 | 12 嗯, 有个哥们tpmk也敢200bb all in, 太爽了 |
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c**********o
发帖数: 213 | 13 至少比PS的50bbmin对玩家更有利，PS的50bbmin上reg要比普通桌子多一倍。
新的Rush Poker绝对抽水快，今天玩了1个多小时，累死了。没得停，而且时间长了会
变得很deep，双方没有什么了解的情况下200bb oop flop TPTK，之后对方猛凶变得非
常难打。似乎定时要站起来一下，但是没法用HM所以不知道定时起立重新buy in会不会
大大影响bbpt/100h |
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c**********o
发帖数: 213 | 14 and for op
if both of you are deep, you can just call 3bet and play odds of set(which
is 1:9) oop and 4bet light bluff ip. i know some high stake pro never 3bet
oop when they are 200bb deep. for the case of 400bb deep, I think you may
only see them on tv or some deep heads up tables. It will be very rare that
in a 6max game two players are such deep at the same time, one of them will quit
very soon(normally is the one who's oop). in the case of short stakes it
will be very easy, 4bet shove or ca |
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p*******p
发帖数: 13670 | 15 btw, I have 200BB stack, he has 150BB total |
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h*******s
发帖数: 3932 | 16 I'm wondering if I'm too conservative in rush poker. I played about 4 or 5
sessions so far, and won a little, about 200BB at 9-hand table. My basic
strategy is:
1. at early position or SB: tight
2. at middle/late position: start to loosen up
3. at BB: kind of tight, may defend or steal
4. most 3-bet hands are very strong hands (could be as worse as AK, AQ, JJ,
TT, 99 depending on the situation)
I try to concentrate on pocket pairs. I don't play suited hand or connector
very often. Since rush pok |
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f*f
发帖数: 121 | 17 This is dragon.. I am no pro yet.. soon though..It was fun, I wish I haven't
accidentally clicked "yes" to close the lobby though.. I was too
concentrated on the other table once I got to 200bb+ deep with my opponent.
He's one tricky fish :) |
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f*f
发帖数: 121 | 18 I played a little bit of rush poker at 100nl and 200nl level. 100nl seemed
pretty easy, players generally playing too tight there, so I would just open
almost every CO/BTN and play position after flop. 200nl seemed much
tougher as it is the highest level right now, I see many players who usually
play 5/10+ in there messing around, it's much harder to apply pressure
against these players for several reason:
1) 200bb there really doesn't mean much to them
2) As I know them, they probably have |
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t*********d
发帖数: 3398 | 19 近200bb stack, KK不值得。
40bb估计就call了。 |
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t*********d
发帖数: 3398 | 20 UTG+1我算的3bet， 不过都是旁枝末节了
基本原则是， KK不值得200bb和人all in |
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W********m
发帖数: 7793 | 21 pocket As just don't play deep stack well. if you only have 100 bb maybe
you can flat. but with almost 200bb. you give them too good of implied odd
especially when you can't lay your hand down when beat. My money is on you
are beat here 75% of the times. and he has got KK 20% and 5% spewy bluffing
3 barrel on busted draws. |
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f*****g
发帖数: 15860 | 22 haha, someone even calls 80bb as low-medium, and refers to 200bb as deep.
this hand is kind of lucky for you since 77 guy was very sneaky. or in
another common case, if KT (KQ, KJ) guy catches another pair somewhere...
a few other ways to control variance:
1) lower stake, but with more tables;
2) short buy-in, and stronger preflop. |
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f*f
发帖数: 121 | 23 这些天犯得几个超级错误
1） 一手牌AK， 3bet preflop， flop AKT, 我bet， 对手raise, 这个对手很凶，
2/4的桌子， 我们每人都有200bb， 我想要等一等再reraise, 然后注意力就到了另一
张桌子上去了， 那张桌子是5/10, 我有一个很难的决定， 想了半天， 这个桌子时间
快到了， 开始滴滴叫， 我一不小心点了fold, 而且对手马上跑了
2） 2/4 桌子， 大概180bb deep， 可能是有点冷， 打了个抖， 不小心preflop直接
raise到了104， 对手allin， 我一看， 85o， 只好fold。 后来我有AK,又做了一次
raise到104， 对手直接fold.. 郁闷。。
3） 1/2 桌子， 我在玩3桌子， 别的都是大桌子， 没有注意这个桌子， flop AK3r,
我有25s， gut shot + backdoor flush draw, 对手 donk， 我raise, 他reraise,
我知道这个对手喜欢非常凶， 有喜欢3bet 所有的对子， 这里基本只有A3/K3 可能这
么玩， 其它都是b |
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f*f
发帖数: 121 | 24 huh? buyin for 50nl is $50. Actually on UB, you can buyin 200bb deep but I
am usually buyin for 100bb at the moment to lower variance. |
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y********n
发帖数: 2063 | 25 it is more skillful if it is cash game, since it is always 100bb or 200bb
deep. Especially encounter aggressive opponent. |
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c******n
发帖数: 15 | 26 U played the hand pretty bad anyway.
200bb deep, ur c/r size is the way too small on this flop. He can have a lot
of hands to peel with. Your turn bet size is horrible too. At such a low
limit, the only thing you need to worry is missing value.
And your half pot river bet is indeed an asking for action move, so plz.
call.
slow play pocket 10s or he sucked out Ks on river.. |
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f*****g
发帖数: 15860 | 27 holy shit, 200BB/100, you created a new record, hehe. |
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g**s
发帖数: 1114 | 28 I only play deep stack now. Shot stack always makes me play loose and pot
commit when it is not necessary. Also I feel if I have 200BB++ more, people
don't want to play with me and I can steal pretty easily. I could be wrong,
but...
【 在 Windstormm (Windstormm) 的大作中提到: 】
early on
dare to make a move
after
when
day. run one |
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f*****g
发帖数: 15860 | 29 long time, no see, hehe.
why feel bad? i guess you played about 1000 hands (both 100NL and 50NL),
right? $158 profit is like 158BB in 100NL or 316BB in 50NL, or let's say
about 200BB if "merged". dude, it's 20BB/100 hands, a GREAT record!!! even
if you played 2000 hands, still 10BB/100 hands, even the best small stake
player online in 2009 just made about this rate.
when you ran $175 to $730 in a single session, did you realize that you're
way way way way on the positive side of variance at all? |
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f*****g
发帖数: 15860 | 30 micro stack，不要放200BB在桌上，呵呵，shove容易多了，碰见这种两难也损失不大。 |
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f*****g
发帖数: 15860 | 31 唬不住的，short stack一般就两种，毛驴，和就是故意short buy-in要拼的那种。
你如果没有超常的read，pot control和fold能力，你就是靶子，给人提供很好的
implied odds。
你注意观察各个stake那些deep stack的(不排除毛驴运气好，“暂时”deep的，呵呵)
，往往都很油，开始可能比较凶，但是turn以后明显在省时度势，所以有时候你看到
river的话，可能还觉得他们的牌有点保守了。
你真正需要200BB+和另一个deep stack拼，怕赢少了的情况，其实并不多，而且即使出
现的话，往往也是一线之间的差距，不出一身汗拿不下来。 |
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p*******p
发帖数: 13670 | 32
the
middle
yes, i will never call, you put more than 10% of your stack in, with 75s,
unless you are much much much better than the other players on this table,
it's definitely a -EV play
possiblity
你才30个bb,你要喜欢玩35s这种牌, 先保证你有big implied odds, at least 100bb,
200bb or more is better, 还有你flop可以raise 大点, 看你描述是总共3个人? 那么
你raise到65, 给的pot odd是 40 to 92 or 1.2.25, 对set来说是个easy call, 即使
他怀疑你是天顺. 这个牌就是看运气,set和straigh都不可能fold, 2pairs call 你的
turn有点margin
to
the |
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t*********d
发帖数: 3398 | 33 对手river的all in比较冲动， flop你call了他的3bet, 基本上你的牌已经明了，
JJ/QQ/KK/AA， 他flop装9x, 够狠的话turn继续pot，不应该check. 到了river, 9x已
经没有
可能了， 他的牌也基本明确了， 应该是small pair, 44-TT. 他要么check， 要么用
nuts
all in-如果他有A4的话。
这把profit 200bb， 眼红啊。
particular hand at this moment to make the move. I have Q high, but still
the third nuts... |
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g**s
发帖数: 1114 | 34 Raise to ~ 17 and fold to shove. It's pretty thin, but still a full house(I
know I am donk/fish, could not resist the extra thin value...LOL)
Regs will not call you donk shove with str8 for sure, can only get value
from fish. 66? may be, but 66 should be removed from the range because of
the turn actions.
KT/JT looks so possible.
so, given your stack, you shove on river:
1. for Regs, 100% -EV.
2. for fish, still -EV as str8 is the only hand you get more value and we
assume fish will call.
Will y... 阅读全帖 |
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f*f
发帖数: 121 | 35 I got AKo the other day 200bb deep at 5/10,
Opp raise --- I am happy
3bet to 110
opp 4bet to 220 --- I am v happy
I 5bet to 480
opp 6bet allin for 1600 more
now I am a little worried, click option, reload 2k, call
opponent show AJo and didn't suck out. :) |
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D*A
发帖数: 1169 | 36 SB ' play is questionable, push nearly 200BB with QQ?
very typical Get Call Only Beaten (GCOB)
everyone knows you will 3 bet light.. haha..
===============================================
Full Tilt Poker $0.50/$1 No Limit Hold'em - 9 players -
UTG+1: $175.05
UTG+2: $206.50
MP1: $103.20
MP2: $88.70
CO: $103.80
BTN: $100.00
SB: $179.25
Hero (BB): $308.75
UTG: $57.75
Pre Flop: ($1.50) Hero is BB with Ah Ac
7 folds, SB raises to $4, Hero raises to $15, SB raises to $179.25 all in,
Hero calls $164.... 阅读全帖 |
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f*****g
发帖数: 15860 | 37 hourly rate $100/hr, or ~200BB/100 hands.
.
what |
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d*****0
发帖数: 1500 | 38 来自主题: TexasHoldem版 - 上来哭一哭 刚升级到50NL， 就他娘kk 200bb pf 撞aa， ~_~!～～～～ |
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h*******s
发帖数: 3932 | 39 来自主题: TexasHoldem版 - 上来哭一哭 how many rounds of raises? 200bb preflop allin with KK is a lot. my biggest
losers are probably AK and QQ.. and KK could be next in line.. |
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f*****g
发帖数: 15860 | 40 来自主题: TexasHoldem版 - 上来哭一哭 playing 200BB with KK in this way is not profitable, i guess, even he's bb.
he either can't call your over shove or you're way behind.
all |
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f*****g
发帖数: 15860 | 41 来自主题: TexasHoldem版 - 上来哭一哭 you raised pot and he raised pot after, it should be only about 20BB in the
pot, overshoving ~200bb is way toooo big bah?
shove |
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t********t
发帖数: 5415 | 42 来自主题: TexasHoldem版 - 上来哭一哭 直接上200bb就不要抱怨了，SB 4bet shove KK没什么问题吧？BB认为你在偷，于是反
偷...anyways, cmft |
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h*******s
发帖数: 3932 | 43 ☆─────────────────────────────────────☆
lziueng (lzi) 于 (Mon Dec 13 16:42:07 2010, 美东) 提到:
昨天实在按捺不住POKER瘾，尽管老公极力阻止，还是开车一个小时跑到local casino
去玩了一下。 言归正转，1－3 no limit hold'em. buy in 100 刀。 玩得比较tight
。三小时后STACK到了四百多一点。 然后是下面这手牌：
我在BB WITH JJ. UTG RAISE TO 6$, UTG +1 CALLS, 我也记不得很清楚，大概有7个人
CALL 了。 一看这么多LIMP IN， 马上RAISE TO 49$，UTG +1 问了一下多少然后马上
CALL了，UTG+2想都没想就CALL了，当时心里觉得不妙，谁知MP+1 和MP+2 也在数CHIPS
准备CALL，实在不想这么多人CALL 我的POKET JACKS， 在MP+1准备推出CHIPS之前马
上大声说：MY GOD! I THINK I NEED TO PUSH ALL IN ON TH... 阅读全帖 |
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W********m
发帖数: 7793 | 44 i would fold AQo at utg+1 facing mp1 3 bet most of the time. Nothing good comes out of it by 4 betting. If you do 4 bet, remember it is a bluff, I think you should probably be check-folding a lot of flops. So 4 bet 2.5X always and you can get away post flop (do it with AA KK here too so you do not give a tell on sizing. there is really no need to 4 bet larger with AA KK either unless you are 200bb deep. ). Your fold equity does not change much.
As played i don't think you can fold post flop wit... 阅读全帖 |
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f*****g
发帖数: 15860 | 45 agree, mini-raising with AQo pre is meaningless, it achieves nothing:
1) no fold equity at all;
2) build an awkward pot without position and only medium strength AQo? no;
3) hide your real strength with an ok hand and take a flop? this mini-
raising doesn't do it, or instead, the other way.
as on the flop, shoving is not good in general with Qd but better than check
shoving. if you check here and he bets, there's no turning around at all
for him to fold for his stack size. even in the "best" sce... 阅读全帖 |
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W********m
发帖数: 7793 | 46 folding KK at NL400 preflop? I don't think you can ever do that UNLESS you have specific read. Even folding AK is unacceptable sometimes~ My approach is get it in AK KK AA most of the time. You could only fold these preflop when you have a specific read which should not be too often (like a total nit, even a total nit spazz out sometimes) or the stack is deep like 200bb or more. Obviously position matters too. you 3 bet utg he goes 4 bet is a lot different from you 3 bet bb vs button/sb and h... 阅读全帖 |
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p****r
发帖数: 9164 | 47
you have specific read. Even folding AK is unacceptable sometimes~ My
approach is get it in AK KK AA most of the time. You could only fold these
preflop when you have a specific read which should not be too often (like a
total nit, even a total nit spazz out sometimes) or the stack is deep like
200bb or more. Obviously position matters too. you 3 bet utg he goes 4 bet
is a lot different from you 3 bet bb vs button/sb and : he goes for a 4 bet.
But you could also go above a level on this to ... 阅读全帖 |
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r******h
发帖数: 99 | 48 I don't think BNT TT can fold here. I probably wouldn't fold even if the
stack is 200BB. I guess it totally depends on the level. How much is the
blind here?
here? |
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T*********k
发帖数: 1621 | 49 I stictly follow Harrington's advice, never ever fold KK pre-flop, you fold
wrong more than you fold it right.
Especially in Rush NL100, a lot more light 3-bets and those guys with 3.4% 3
-bet range, indicating so many Ak, AQ added to the range, it is hard to
laydown KK preflop.
I will only consider to laydown KKs, in case : 1) both guys' stack are
exceptionally deep, 200bb+ or 2) the guys 3-bet range is 1.7% or less. In my
example above, none of them applies, so I shoved. LOL
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