s*****s
发帖数: 1130 | 1 I don't quite agree with you on this one. My observation is that many
players are capable of adjusting. Most of players I have seen are decent
TAG. For example, if I steal too often, blinds most likely will start 3-bet
me. If I c-bet too often, I got called or even raised by any draw or any
pair. If I c-bet two street too often, I got called down two street lightly
too.
Anybody else play 25NL? It will be interesting to see what other 25NL
player thinks. My experience is only limited to Me... 阅读全帖 |
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w***w
发帖数: 6301 | 2 谁知道Hud有没有专门针对HU的数据？
刚刚把WPN的25NL HU reg打跑了。他占3个台，被我打走输了3个buying现在不出来了。
25NL HU没人了。
第一次打cash HU啊。WPN的HU太弱了吧。
这边EPN 输了一个buying在25NL HU。 |
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p*******p
发帖数: 13670 | 3 你们都打多大的? 我在打25nl,咋觉得25nl已经很难打了呢,5555,输了100多了呢 |
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f*****g
发帖数: 15860 | 4 yes, or actually a comeback after i switched to 25NL rush to improve my
aggression level.
so far, i have a fresh new look at this level and feel the game is actually
softer than 25NL rush (too much crazy action since losers don't feel the "
pain"). |
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s*********r
发帖数: 4210 | 5 100k hands? No wonder all those hand history. I will stay at 25NL for a
while. Never really played a hand with you in 25NL. |
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f*****g
发帖数: 15860 | 6 俺觉得不好，兄弟你这个有点矫枉过正。
10NL肯定也有一些不错的选手，只是资金什么的问题而已，比如国内的，一天要是能赢
你这个$15，在国内很多地方生活费都有了，呵呵。
但是俺觉得你这个降的太多太快，完全没有必要，你怎么着在100NL也有几万甚至10万
手了吧？起伏很大肯定有原因，技术，资金，心理，运气肯定都有。如果说打起来让你
很累很辛苦，俺觉得50NL，或者最低25NL应该可以了，没有必要退那么远。
也没有必要只放$200，俺个人很不以为然很多pro号称$50，$100起家，never look
back的传奇，俺相信它们，但是那样的传奇在如今竞争激烈的环境里，几乎无法复制，
chris也打了将近一年。
俺的原则是不要因为钱多钱少成为一种心理负担，比如$200，现在$215了，明天不走运
，又下到比如$150(呸呸呸)，而对你的打法，心理，或者新玩法尝试造成什么负面影响
。你我都不缺这200块钱，但是有时候人爱较真，觉得这$200因为是原始基金，特“宝
贵”什么的，或者比如要再存$200就比较丧气...
大大方方存个比如$1000，2000，玩25NL，50NL都比较舒服了，每天也... 阅读全帖 |
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d*****0
发帖数: 1500 | 7
前提条件是，彼此之间信息全无
我的一点看法
1 以你所在的ps 25NL的整个player pool的信息为基础，做决定。比如大牛你前几万手
牌里，包括你involved或者是旁观的3bet pot的％，preflop是不是经常3bet 4bet，整
体的commit pot的hand strength，hand showdown的比例，整体的aggression程度（即
大多数时候，这个级别的game是soft或者是push hard）等等。哥觉得在相对soft的
game environment里，JJ在这里call 3bet oop，以pot control为基础play post flop
问题不大，换言之，marginal。而在非常pushy的game里，postflop会变得异常难打，
大多数情况下ended up猜对手有没有牌，大的variance不可避免。
2 从game flow的角度来讲，其实你这手牌的任何应对，都会对未来该桌的dynamic，以
及你跟另外5个对手（尤其是本手的villain）之间的未来的交手做铺垫。换言之，无论
你怎么打这手牌，好好利用这手牌的... 阅读全帖 |
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y********n
发帖数: 2063 | 8 前提条件是，彼此之间信息全无
我的一点看法
1 以你所在的ps 25NL的整个player pool的信息为基础，做决定。比如大牛你前几万手
牌里，包括你involved或者是旁观的3bet pot的％，preflop是不是经常3bet 4bet，整
体的commit pot的hand strength，hand showdown的比例，整体的aggression程度（即
大多数时候，这个级别的game是soft或者是push hard）等等。哥觉得在相对soft的
game environment里，JJ在这里call 3bet oop，以pot control为基础play post flop
问题不大，换言之，marginal。而在非常pushy的game里，postflop会变得异常难打，
大多数情况下ended up猜对手有没有牌，大的variance不可避免。
----------Yes, you are right.
而在非常pushy的game里，postflop会变得异常难打，
大多数情况下ended up猜对手有没有牌，大的variance不可避免。
2 从game... 阅读全帖 |
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p*******p
发帖数: 13670 | 9 你们都打多大的? 我在打25nl,咋觉得25nl已经很难打了呢,5555,输了100多了呢 |
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p*******p
发帖数: 13670 | 10 这个牌应该怎么打呢? 我flop和turn都call了,正确打法应该怎么打呢? fold or raise
? 很郁闷啊.
nl输起来真是快
ps: no knowledge about villain, he is new to the table.
Full Tilt Poker Game #9683488236: Table Cornflower - $0.10/$0.25 - No Limit
Hold'em - 18:16:29 ET - 2008/12/25
Seat 1: stvp13 ($12.80)
Seat 2: AAheatinnmKK ($12.35)
Seat 3: Moonfel ($24.50)
Seat 4: Hero ($17.75)
Seat 5: Sanatos2k ($6.70)
Seat 6: chengsterr ($9.70)
Seat 7: zmathl ($8.85)
Seat 8: Donspliffo ($4.65)
Seat 9: Pokerhontas7 ($4.75)
Sanatos2k posts the small bli |
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y**t
发帖数: 205 | 11 说说我的想法。
我觉得这牌你在flop上不应该raise。flat call就行。
flop对你很好。就算villian是two pair或者Ax的top pair top kicker，你也有大约50
%的机会。
你在flop bet 0.5实在说不过去。毕竟pot已经3.5了，0.5的bet只能说明你的牌很弱。
villian在flop上pot bet，你需要33%。这时call可以，allin也不错。
raise
Limit |
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p*******p
发帖数: 13670 | 12 en ,我也不知道为啥我经常喜欢raise 0.5,好像因为那个button在那里,手痒总想点点.
汗. yost mm你在ftp还是ps玩啊,ftp不给我rb,argue了半天就是给我打模糊,我很生气
,准备转战ps了!
50 |
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y**t
发帖数: 205 | 13 我在ftp，我也没有rack back。不过我无所谓，最近我开始玩tourney。
点. |
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p*******p
发帖数: 13670 | 14 tourney我玩了3次, 都是2000+人的,然后都死在1500-2000之内,汗 |
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f*****g
发帖数: 15860 | 15 你这个flop small bet是个很明显的tell，有很多人用，却不知道在老手那里，是明明
白白的free card bet，一般在有你flush draw，open ended draw时常用。
心理出发点很简单，多少有点货，不甘心老实check，怕人家更怀疑自己在draw...
这个有2 hearts的flop谁都看得见。看flop的那么几口子，又是micro game，几乎可以
百分百肯定有人拿着Ax，而有这个Ax的，当然不会让你白白draw死它，一定会跳出来保
护的。除了Ax，甚至有人会有 weak 2 pair, set。
1)既然有人“愿意”主动给你这种speculative hand一张free card，你就老老实实
check完了；
2)实在手痒，也应该bet大一些，比如$2来bluff你有不错的Ax，这样很有可能结束战斗
，不结束战斗也会让准备check raise的心存疑虑，起到blocking bet的作用，仅仅
call；
3)Moonfel flop check raises那么大以后(相对于blinds)，这牌你已经可以放弃了，
你只有理论上的12 o |
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f*****g
发帖数: 15860 | 16 SNG比这个好很多，对于练手。
上千人的比赛，技术很重要，运气更重要，时间投入太大，100次你也不见得摸着钱。 |
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p*******p
发帖数: 13670 | 17 恩,sc position确实很重要,刚刚看了一下自己的记录,输钱都是在UTG和UTG+1 |
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p*******p
发帖数: 13670 | 18 还有一个问题,JJ,QQ这种, pf raise了,有人call,然后经常flop来over card,有时候还
a,k一起来,这种情况下,如果对手call了一次,或者主动bet,是不是基本应该fold了? |
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f*****g
发帖数: 15860 | 19 打牌两个老生常谈，一是position，二是bet size selection，谁都似乎知道，其实越
来越发现自己不知道。 |
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f*****g
发帖数: 15860 | 20 兵无常式，千万不要墨守成规，比如QQ，别人一跟，flop一翻出来Axx，马上自己痿了
三分，然后不是weak fold，就是死不甘心放手，输大了。
前面DOA发的Doyle的super system里面章节里面说了，你要记简单的话，就90%的情况
下c-bet，10%扔掉。c-bet完如果还有人在跟，你谨慎就是了。
玩QQ，JJ，position极其重要，对对手的了解特别重要。在FTP玩了一年多，俺给上万
的选手记了小笔记，比如“cannot lay down 88..”“plays any ace rag”，再按颜
色归类(比如紫色代表此人很循规蹈矩，黄色代表很毛驴)...
同一副牌根据不同人，打法可以差别很大。
QQ，JJ的bet size也很重要，pre-flop可以偏大一些。flop上如果有位置，而刚才被动
跟的人先bet，这时候要注意他的bet size很多人在试探，希望你跟，不希望你跟，
trap你等几种情况下bet size会有tells的，这个靠多观察，尤其是自己旁观的时候。
对于试探性的，坚决迎头痛击，你pre-flop raise了的，完全也可能是AK，AQ啊？70 |
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p*******p
发帖数: 13670 | 21 恩,我没说清楚,一般我qq都会c-bet一下,half pot size或者2/3 pot size, 然后别人
跟了, 下一张来个blank或者又是一张over card,这个时候我就没底气了,一般check,然
后别人经常bet, 我就不敢继续下去了, 这个经常发生在我是sb,bb的时候,所以
position一般都很烂. pf我都raise4bb 以上,可是档不住有人就是喜欢call,唉. |
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y**t
发帖数: 205 | 22 你试试那个3+0.3的SNG。top 9 paid。tag的打法，很容易进final table。 |
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y********n
发帖数: 2063 | 23 that one is not so great, since it is a turbo game.
poker star's 4.4$ 180ppl game is much easier, from my knowledge. But many
bad beats also |
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y********n
发帖数: 2063 | 24 you are right.
Even you are 18th, still not very good result.
Moreover, you are 9th, the result is not great.
Time is big problem for most ppl.
However, there are many good MTT players who can make a lot of money.
For example:jcamby33, DUCKU, USCPHILDO
I do not know how they make it. |
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p*******p
发帖数: 13670 | 25
flush) and get 3:1 pot odds. The implied odds is higher. It's an okay call.
You can try raise on the turn, too.
raise turn semi-bluff最近不大敢用了, 25nl 都死也不fold, 没folding equity 这
个bluff不赚钱, 唉.
you often face a better kicker in a raised pot. You flop raise might be okay
, especially if you don't have a K and just do a pure bluff... but now you
have a K with a weak kick
true
flop
t
true,sigh, I am a big donk! |
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p*******p
发帖数: 13670 | 26 25nl的player,估计他只care自己hit了set, 有时候别把你的对手想的太聪明,你分析了
半天,结果人家根本不是这么思考问题的,这就是为什么说,poker最大的skill是know
your opponent, 在没掌握这个之前,大家都是fish而已 |
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m*********4
发帖数: 94 | 27 来自主题: TexasHoldem版 - 问一手牌 忘了说了，在25nl |
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f*****g
发帖数: 15860 | 28 几次读fcf大侠的经典和其他帖子，试着在rush poker里面提高靠位置偷的频率，发现
效果很好。
如果一般小玩家满足于比如5BB/100的不错战绩(按fcf的观点，这个其实很低，只是在
这个level生存的根本)，那么充分利用位置，偷一次就是1.5BB，非常之可观。而且关
键在于玩micro rush poker的很多人，真的是牌一看不咋的，马上就quick fold到下一
桌了，很少有抵抗的。而且真有抵抗的，由于out of position，flop上check fold结
束战斗的也很普遍。
而且由于rusk poker一般的tracking software用不上(小玩家也不大用这个)，每把牌
面对的多数人又不一样，没有人知道你在前面已经连续偷了３把了。
偶尔碰见顽强的，不要死撑就是了，靠多数时候成功就绰绰有余来beat 5BB这个标准了。
俺现在在靠后，很多post flop比较有搞头的牌(比如89s)都自动raise 3x，补充适当的
纯垃圾，比如2s8s这样的。
俺是准备降级，到25NL这个level来多搞搞看看，提高俺比较weak的打法，同时每天多
刷点数。 |
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f*****g
发帖数: 15860 | 29 it varies too, half pot may actually look stronger and want a call in some
ppls' eyes, hehe.
but 2/3 is fine in most cases.
it's much harder to steal at 50NL, where ppl 3-bet more often. didn't
realize
25NL is so weak, at least for now.
pot |
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f*****g
发帖数: 15860 | 30 it's ok, i moved down to 25NL and so far am keeping like 20BB/100 rate with
2 tabling.
my aggression level goes way up and stealing rate is much higher.
1K+ hands everyday can make 200 FTPs. |
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f*****g
发帖数: 15860 | 31 yes, for us small stakers who play relatively some volume, ironman is sweet
deal, AND, if you can keep achieving it for consequent months.
iron=$100/month, gold $75, silver $50, bronze $25 in terms of mid or year-
end bonus, and each iron medal = ~$0.2... it's small money, but for small
stakers, it can add up. even you can only be silver for a year, it'll be $
600 and maybe 500+ medals, it's like $700+ free money.
with rush poker, very easy goal, 2 tables for an hour at 25NL.
as for the leak you |
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f*****g
发帖数: 15860 | 32 me? you kidding, i'm a 25NL player now, hehe, i even play $0.3 SNGs, haha. |
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f*****g
发帖数: 15860 | 33 no, no, no, i just move down from 50NL, found 25NL rush poker is very good
for me, or i played too weak tight at 50NL, anyway, good learning expr.
before i move back, lol. |
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s*********k
发帖数: 1989 | 35 I got KK beaten by 10.10 twice in one night on river (Rush, 10/25NL, all in).
Set, I guess no way out. Just pay to see the card. |
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s*********k
发帖数: 1989 | 36 I tried. But on flop with bet of 2/3$ from opponent (10/25NL), it is very
hard to card and fold also. I buy in with minimum(or close). It is ok to
shove. Still, shaky. |
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s*********k
发帖数: 1989 | 37 RUSH, 10/25NL
CO, KQo, bet 3BB to steal blinds. If called mostly 50:50 or slightly less,
with SB/BB, it can be counted as BEven.
All Fold except BB called. I bet his has a small/middle pair since he did
not raise.
Flop KJ6. he check, I bet 1$(4BB), he re-raise 2$(8BB). I called. I still
believe I am on the lead. If he had set he will re-raise more.
Turn Q, now I have two pairs. he check, I raise 2$(8BB). he call.
River A. He riase 4$(16BB). I know I had trouble now. There is straight.
Think a li |
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s*********k
发帖数: 1989 | 38 RUSH 25NL, 最近点背
不过今有所转运. 干掉AA一对.
Prefolp, I bid 4BB, the guy call (if he raise 3x, I would fold. 2x, I would call).
Flop, 99x He is drop dead. I check, he raise 4BB. I call
Turn, blank I check, he raise 8BB, I 2x, he re-raise to 40BB, I shove and he called. |
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s*********k
发帖数: 1989 | 39 patpat. It happened to me also today. The only diff is mine is 10/25NL RUSH.
AND The guy does not only has straight on flop but also straight flush draw!
?
I Cbet and got broken there. |
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f*****g
发帖数: 15860 | 40 a few things:
1) did you set up rakeback correctly? it's VERY important for cash game
grinders;
2) yes, rush poker gets FTP points very fast. i play for 200 points a day to
get my iron level ironman (2 25NL tables for about 2 hrs). i couldn't do
this at all before unless i play 100NL regular 2 tables;
3) no, FTP doesn't favor new accounts, but you feel lucky, lol. down the
road, you'll see swings like everyone, just relax and enjoy the learning
process;
4) yes, we'd like to see more ppl in our w |
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f*****g
发帖数: 15860 | 41 good.
yeah, 5 buy-ins are nothing, that's why having 30+ BIs is still critical,
even at 25NL, relatively easy level. |
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f*****g
发帖数: 15860 | 42 FT，俺这不留级打25NL了么？再不长进，准备退学。 |
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f*****g
发帖数: 15860 | 43 欧，那你可能没有必要去打100NL，50NL或者25NL(时间长点)都够了。
一天200点的话，一个月rakeback应该有300左右，再完成700就可以了，平均每天$25，
除非你不把rakeback算数。
2桌一小时的话，一天有800手，5bb/100大概到$20(50NL)，完全可以做到的。从劳动强
度和NL100相比的角度。
如果你再精打细算，把bonus，points, tokens什么的都算的话，甚至可以在3-4BB就可
以。 |
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f*****g
发帖数: 15860 | 44 as long as you're making your goal at a level, you'll be fine.
for me, grinding at rush 25NL is fine:
1) i can reach my ironman goal in less time than 50NL regular;
2) i get to play much more hands and learn more skills;
3) i reach my $1K/month goal reltatively easily.
some
just |
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f*****g
发帖数: 15860 | 45 rush 25NL is indeed very juicy. |
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f*****g
发帖数: 15860 | 46 yes and no.
yes, notes help you a lot in marginal situations, or give you more
confidence in getting thin value.
no, i believe the best way to push your 5BB to 10BB is to avoid that 1
unnecessary stack loss in a session. this is totally doable in such micro
stakes.
for example, you play 1K hands a day, so 100BB or one full buy-in $25 should
be your goal in 25NL. if you make a single avoidable mistake, your total bb
/100 would suck big. yes, in the end, you may win here and there, and still
make |
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f*****g
发帖数: 15860 | 47 yesterday saw a guy from china in rush 25NL.
one tight guy 2x from MP (i have notes on him, 2x is not test or trash), 1
guy calls, and this comrade rasies to $1.75 or 7x at button. i got 89s at SB
, a hand i'd otherwise play, but not in a raising war between TAG and a
comrade (normally TAG too).
TAG immediately re-raises to $3, comrade re-raises to $6, TAG calls.
flop: TJ3 rainbow. TAG bets pot $12, comrade snap raises to $27 (with only $
6 left), TAG apparently got amazed and calls.
turn: 3, TA |
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f*****g
发帖数: 15860 | 48 welcome, two new hands.
well, if you play cash games, you HAVE TO have rakeback, it'll add up to be
a lot.
just to give you an idea, i play 25NL rush (very micro stake), for the last 4
months or 100K hands, total rake is over $2K, and rakeback is 27% of this.
you can email to argue with/beg them, but be prepared to take a looooong
process before they finally say yes (many of us got ours this way).
or you can ask them to close the existing one and then create a new account
(referred from rackback |
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g****j
发帖数: 2908 | 49 我的最大的问题就是打不好现金局。我在FTP打了这么长的时间，现金局的成绩（只论
成绩，我现在分析牌面的水平肯定高于半年前的我，但是成绩却越来越烂）总是不行。
打比赛，我赢过一个4000，一个2000＋，6~7个1000＋，十几个几百块。算起来，赢的
奖金应该差不多有15000了，但是至少有6000被我扔在了现金局里。还有8000差不多是
打比赛的费用（呵呵，几乎没赚）。按理说，我的水平至少在FTP应该不算很差的水平
吧，但为啥现金局一塌糊涂呢？我现在现金局已经是越打越小了，可就是25nl，我也能
一天输一百。把我郁闷的现在都不打现金局了。FTP只要给我发一次钱，就是害我一次
。因为打比赛赚FTP太慢，有时我为了把bouns搞出来，就去打现金局，结果每次都是得
不偿失，一般来说，要赔上70块，才能赚出10块来，郁闷死我了。总的来说，我觉得是
两个问题，一是我比赛的风格严重影响了我打现金局，二是我虽然总的来说控制冲动的
能力还行，但总有冲动的时候，只要一冲动，现金局cost就是整个buy-in，比赛就是被
淘汰。不过比赛被淘汰总的来说是正常的，可现金局输一个那就是一个，NND。大家觉
得我 |
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g****j
发帖数: 2908 | 50 刚刚为了证明问题，我又跑去花了10块打了一个rush 25NL。结果最高的时候到达过25
＋。最后又以一个bad beat结束俺的这十块钱，sigh。 |
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