F**********y
发帖数: 707 | 1 渣科不闹腾，shaq就至少要再等一年，总冠军／降薪／短合同至少要发生一个，我记得
shaq当时最后一年合同是大概28m，不降薪的短合同就会远小于35m了
确切地说，shaq换来odom+butler，然后butler又被轰走，lakers连续过不了第一轮，
渣科火力最强的岁月被浪费，最后的事实对球队和个人都是最差的
至于你说的开火权和我是一个意思啊，我原来说的就是渣科的性格导致了开火权的无尽
追求又导致了王朝球队的崩溃。渣科在王朝后期某些系列赛的贡献确实已经不少于shaq
的，但是好虫也不敢说渣科远大于shaq吧，而且至少1-4里渣科是头两位的责任人 |
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g*****g
发帖数: 34805 | 2 别想了，科比一人就28M，想在cap底下签是不可能的。S&T还有戏。 |
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t**********r
发帖数: 2019 | 3 1. It may sound ridiculous, but peyton's leaving is more because of Andrew
Luck coming to town than his injury and age. If the colts get 10th pick,
even the 2nd pick instead of 1st, chances are they will pay the 28M and keep
peyton so that he will complete his legacy as a colt.
2. As for Lebron's case, no one outside of greater cleveland aera critisized
him for leaving the Cavs, because he is a free agent and he has every right
to choose the team he wants to play for. People critisized him becau... 阅读全帖 |
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M**i
发帖数: 13701 | 4 明年28M，后年30M，然后就领退休工资了，球队重建 |
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j*b
发帖数: 517 | 5 热最怕内线攻击强的球队。howard无解，能把热打的满地找牙。不过纳什的防守太差了
。这两个人加一起的作用，顶lbj和一个一般后卫没问题。
gasol应该换掉，防守一般，1900多万，太贵了。跟博士比，不值。换一个1000多万的
，中投好一点，防守不差的。
kb(34岁？) > dw（31岁？）这个没啥说的。battier还是防不住kb，估计要lbj来防。
接下来就要看替补的表现了。
当然这个组合应该比去年强，打雷霆还是有胜算的。
湖人现在的最大问题是薪水太高了：
kb 28m? + gasol 19m? +nash 9m? + howard 18m? >74m
djb才51m吧？ |
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t******o
发帖数: 5314 | 6 这不是重点。原贴的意思是林要求经纪人这样做。比方说，火箭说我给你3年25m，林说
好有诚意，我来，但是纽约要match我也没办法。火箭说那么这么办，我们先4年28m，
等纽约适应了之后再换成3年25m，这样他们match的可能性就低了。林说好注意我配合。 |
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c*******i
发帖数: 951 | 7 “Knicks were bitter because they told Lin immediately the club would match
the original offer (28m/4y) and Lin apparently shared the information with
Rockets. Lin and Houston then PLOTTED to redo it. Lin SECRETLY flew into
Las Vegas without informing the Knicks to renegotiate the contract [with
Rockets]." |
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s******p
发帖数: 111 | 8 还有coach Larry Brown, 签了5年, 一年后fired, 最后给28M |
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T*******i
发帖数: 4992 | 9 其实现在看，$28M/4的offer nyk都不想匹配 |
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f*********e
发帖数: 1344 | 10 Nash是NY的第一选择， 如果签到Nash，四年28M的也不会Match。 |
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i**T
发帖数: 3441 | 11 我总觉得指责Lin跟火箭合伙搞了后来这个合同憋死NYK，有点莫名其妙。
首先最开始放出来4年28M的合同，不是官方消息，NYK如果根据这个消息做打算，那只
能说幼稚+脑残；后来出来3年25M的合同，茉莉根本不用跟小林合计，纽约如果match需
要付多少tax，他30秒就算的清清楚楚。
Dolan说Lin背叛欺骗，完全是胡jb乱扯。纽约放走Lin是个下策，不过放走了一点好处
都没捞到，这个就是下下下策了。Dolan算是写进历史了。 |
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c******g
发帖数: 71 | 12 rocket手牌:A+A
knicks手牌:2+7
flop: A,10,Q
rocket: checked
knicks: raised to 1M/y
rocket: called
turn: 8
rocket: raised to 28m/4y
knicks: called. (bluffing: will call up to 1b)
river: 4
rocket: raised to 25m/3y (knicks all in to call)
knicks: folded |
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s*********h
发帖数: 6288 | 13 应该不是我网络吧？speedtest测了还是28M, 17ms ping |
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t****r
发帖数: 702 | 14 Adrian Wojnarowski @WojYahooNBA nbsp; 28m
Dallas and Houston are discussing sign-and-trade scenarios for Chandler Pars
ons, league sources tell Yahoo. Offer sheet hasn't been signed. |
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j*********6
发帖数: 407 | 15 昨天一哥搞了38m 巴恩斯28m
昨天一哥确实nb |
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B*****e
发帖数: 9375 | 16 No entirely so. I think he has a $28M roster bonus due in March.
Which is plenty of time for the team to make an accurate evaulation and prudent decision. |
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w***7
发帖数: 5568 | 17 根据他的合同，曼宁离开扣子不可能是被 traded ，只能是被 released ，看三月份扣
子付不付曼宁$28M 就知道了，付了就是留。
鸟, |
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w***7
发帖数: 5568 | 18 扣子付曼宁 $28M 然后 trade for what ? |
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z*****a
发帖数: 3809 | 19 It matters little whether or not Luck is willing to sit on the bench for a
couple of years.
The key issue is whether the Colts want to pay Manning the $28M roster bonus
in March without even knowing if he will be able to ever play again. |
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J****n
发帖数: 3011 | 20 如果给了28M，肯定就是自用了。哪儿那么容易给换出去啊。这盘估计谁也不会去接。 |
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B*****e
发帖数: 9375 | 21 What?
You can only tag a guy while his current contract already expires but he has
not yet hit the market, and to keep Peyton under contract with the Colts
for the 2012 League Year, the $28M need to be paid first on March. 8.
There is no way out. Peyton is gone. |
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x******2
发帖数: 4034 | 23 其实很简单，三月六号之前给28M,大白菜哪也去不了，不给大白菜自由走人，扣子什么
都拿不到 |
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p****s
发帖数: 3153 | 24 扣子亏大了，28m一次给。给了再换出去能得到啥啊.. |
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z*****a
发帖数: 3809 | 25 小马痛苦了一个赛季但换来了运气。现在小马还会付大白菜那$28M吗？
x |
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p****s
发帖数: 3153 | 26 进waiver line吧，然后大家按照战绩逆序claim?我觉得没人会去摘，谁摘就要掏28m。
估计会在24小时后成为自由球员之后再跟别的队谈吧 |
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p**m
发帖数: 11571 | 27 如果扣子不想要曼宁了，第三个选项：
如果扣子不付$28M, 把他放走,
2012工资帽: (20 - 20/5) - 28/5 = 11M
(减去28/5是因为算在2011年的那部分追回来算作credits).
貌似是最好的？ |
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l*****8
发帖数: 16949 | 28 想裁的话signing bonus还是要给的，而且要占薪金空间。这个条款就是保护扣子在现
在release PM,第二笔28M的signing bonus就不用给了。 |
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B*****e
发帖数: 9375 | 29 You mean the Colts were going to give Manning that entire (20 + 28 + 3) =
51M bonuses, all within the very first day, or at most the first couple
months, of signing that contract? And it was Petyon who turned it down,
deferring $28M of it to almost a year later, giving the team 7 more months
before having to make this pay-me-now-or-release-me-now decision?
Wow. |
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l*****8
发帖数: 16949 | 30 差不多是这样吧。也可能如果这样的话signing bonus没有那么多。但肯定远远多于现
在拿到的第一年的钱。他主动说我刚动过手术，28M bonus到第二年再说。 |
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l*****8
发帖数: 16949 | 31 还算合理把。就是过了第一年后风险稍大一点。基本是每年18-20M,就是第2,3年打了个
包。比扣子的合同合理多了（扣子的合同第二年就要28M).
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l*x
发帖数: 14021 | 32 难道这个4年28M的deal，就是那个作废的合同？我考，亏大发了。看新闻，他不是刚签
了新合约吗？不知道多少钱。spotrac上应该还没更新。列的那个当前合同应该是废掉
的那个旧的。
TRANSACTIONS
Mar 13 2012
Signed a 4 year $28 million contract with New York (NYG) Jul 21 2008
Signed a 4 year $1.689 million contract with New York (NYG) Apr 26 2008
Drafted by New York (NYG): Round 2 (#63 overall) |
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l*x
发帖数: 14021 | 33 难道这个4年28M的deal，就是那个作废的合同？我考，亏大发了。看新闻，他不是刚签
了新合约吗？不知道多少钱。spotrac上应该还没更新。列的那个当前合同应该是废掉
的那个旧的。
TRANSACTIONS
Mar 13 2012
Signed a 4 year $28 million contract with New York (NYG) Jul 21 2008
Signed a 4 year $1.689 million contract with New York (NYG) Apr 26 2008
Drafted by New York (NYG): Round 2 (#63 overall) |
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l*******z
发帖数: 4276 | 34 actually, they were not jin baba at all. They had the most cap space, +40m
even after the hit. So I really wonder why they didn't pick up Manning's
bonus and trade him at least 2 1st rounders. They have way more than enough
space, and 28m for at least 2 1st rounders are cheap, i think. |
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l*******z
发帖数: 4276 | 35 Or maybe they simply evaluate 28M more? That was the option BigBlue thought
was the right thing to do. |
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l*******z
发帖数: 4276 | 36 No, it was not a contract renewal. That was the one contract he signed in
2011. That was why Colts needed to absorb 16m cap space because that was the
reminder of the initial sign on bonus after 1st year. The 28m was like a
roster bonus for 2nd year. It actually was not too much different, except it
was too front loaded. |
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l*******z
发帖数: 4276 | 37 No, he was cut (fired). He was cut, just like every other veterans, because
Colts did not think his present and future was worth of the non-guaranteed (
including the 28m) portion of his contract. |
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H****3
发帖数: 7936 | 38 也确实不好说，草稿新秀便宜是便宜风险也大，拿28M现钱去签有proven track record
的球员是不是回报率稳定点？有没有1st round pick bust rate之类的统计数字？
thought |
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H****3
发帖数: 7936 | 39 去indystar刨出来的：
"Details of Peyton Manning's five-year, $90 million contract with the
Indianapolis Colts, agreed upon two weeks ago, show a $20 million signing
bonus, a $28 million option bonus and a 2011 roster bonus of $3 million."
还有这个contract break down:
$20M Signing Bonus (due at the time of signing)
$3M Roster Bonus for 2011 (due for being on the roster as of June 1, 2011)
$28M Team Option Bonus (due March 8, 2012 to engage last 4 years of contract)
$39M Salary over 5 years
the
it |
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d********t
发帖数: 4270 | 40 有个不到1m薪水的四分卫，花起钱来就是大手大脚。
好像是4年28m，17m全保。 真贵呀。 |
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t******3
发帖数: 4053 | 41 看看下面这一堆loser QB的平均年薪：
(战绩2:3) M. Ryan 20.75M/year
(战绩2:3) T. Romo 18M/year
(战绩3:2) M. Stafford 17.66M/year
(战绩0:5) E. Manning 16.25M/year
(战绩1:4) M. Schaub 15.5M/year
(战绩0:4) B. Roethlisberger 14.66M/year
(战绩2:3) S. Bradford 13M/year
最可笑的就是Stafford，Bradford，never proved themselves! 也拿一年十几个米的
高薪。尼玛NFL就是一个老板骗钱、骗子捞钱、SB送钱的运动-----作为索男，SB才去球
场给这些混混送钱！
下面一组算是性价比最高的QB：
(战绩2:3) T. Pryor 0.68M/year
(战绩4:1) R. Wilson 0.75M/year
(战绩3:2) G. Smith 1.25M/year
(战绩3:2) C. Kaepernack 1.28M/year
(战绩3:2) A. Dalton ... 阅读全帖 |
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w***7
发帖数: 5568 | 42 你可以这样理解，当时双方谁也没对不起谁。但是既然说到钱，当时扣子要想trade，
就必须先付28M让下一段合同生效，等新的league year开始，那么就回到根本问题，根
谁trade能值回这些钱。 |
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w***7
发帖数: 5568 | 43 其实是5年90M的合同57M保证，没打球那年拿了26M，如果想继续就必须先付28M. 顺便
说一句，这个option是PM自己要求加的，Irsay本来坚持无条件合同，而且也知道要做
手术的事情。 |
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f**********n
发帖数: 10757 | 44 这个自己要求加的，什么意思？Irsay本来坚持无条件合同，是指本来准备不管怎么样
，都给那28M吗？ |
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w***7
发帖数: 5568 | 45 对，也就是说没有条件的话，无论如何28M是要付的。PM当时的意思就是不希望自己伤
病的风险让扣子掉进坑里。 |
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s*****o
发帖数: 22187 | 46 吊丝版解释：
比如我和你签了5年50M，10M/年。
第一年就没空间了，先给你6M，后面四年44M，11M/年；
第二年又没空间了，先给你5M，后面三年39M，13M/年；
第三年又没空间了，先给你5M，后面两年34M，17M/年；
第四年又没空间了，先给你6M，最后一年28M；
第五年又没空间了，我就不知道了。。。 |
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p**********g
发帖数: 9385 | 47 还缺FS一枚，C一枚。
Jones DE 6M/Y
Jackson MLB 6M/Y
Davis CB 10M/Y
McAfee P 3M/Y
Vinatieri K 3M/Y |
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