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p*******p
发帖数: 13670 | 2 u didn't say there are 3 limpers before.... I thought you open with 6bb |
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d**x
发帖数: 1934 | 3 i am button... before me, 3 limpers, thats why I raised 6bb... |
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p*******p
发帖数: 13670 | 4 u didn't say there are 3 limpers before.... I thought you open with 6bb |
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d**x
发帖数: 1934 | 5 i am button... before me, 3 limpers, thats why I raised 6bb... |
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d*****0
发帖数: 1500 | 6
这位小哥的逻辑相当犀利，我确实没有给出实质的回答，因为像我之前提到的，真正分
析为什么lowstake live open在6bb左右看上去最合适，需要牵涉到一些相关因素，可
能要扯上一会儿，怕把核心思想给拉偏了
现在正式回答为什么 6bb是low stake live 通常的open size
第一个原因（player pool tendency）， low stake live game，太多玩家愿意 pre
flop flat call open，意味着当你拿着好牌open的话，有更多的差牌愿意跟进，这种
情况下，应该增加open size来控制跟进玩家的数量（跟进的玩家数量并不是越多越好
，应该是要刚刚好），以及增加跟进玩家所需要付的代价
这同样解释了，在充满action的game里，open size往往大得出奇
第二个原因（stack size），通常买入是100bb，或者更少，这种情况下，用烂牌去追
6bb以上的open，从纯数学角度上说，隐含赔率不够，实际上已经—EV了，但是绝大多
数玩家不明白这个道理，他们失去的EV就加到original raiser身上了，当然因... 阅读全帖 |
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d*****0
发帖数: 1500 | 7 1 1k gtd 11
2 1.5k gtd 11
3 750 gtd 3.3
4 500 gtd 22 $208
5 1.5k gtd 3.3+3+3
6 3k gtd 11+10+10 $64.60
-87.6 272.6 +185
1, AJo 10bb < 77, out
2, 66 10bb reshove CL 2bb open, CL call, <99, out
3, T7o on SB shove 6bb BB < AQo, K5s MP 6bb open shove<33, out
4, BTN 10bb K6o shove MP CL(41/0)'s limp, SB snap reshove, > SB's AJo,
double up.
Stack 25bb, Pos 4/6, first 4 get paid,这桌打得要毁三观了，昨那位奇葩哥风格大
变41/11/2，坐哥左手，再左面又是一家32/6/6，各种烂牌flat。哥慢慢看戏。10bb EP
with ... 阅读全帖 |
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d*****0
发帖数: 1500 | 8 木哈哈哈 原来这贴已经讨论翻天了哇
可惜 xsiner 大牛已经把所有人定义为low stake amateur，不屑参与讨论了，希望他
在high stake里继续赢钱哇
明确回答shuey的问题
到底open多少size，取决于太多因素，所以不存在说open的小或者大或者干脆limp就是
绝对错误。
按照以前版上大牛黎叔的话说，别人觉得你open shove AA不make sense，但是你知道
某人就是会call你，那这个open shove就是maximize value！
为什么online poker绝大多数table上都是3bb左右open，而live 1/2，2/5里“标准”
open是5到7bb？
给你一个标准答案，纳什均衡！
由起始买入筹码的范围，对手的整体水平，牌风，位置等因素，决定了你用什么范围
open，以及open多大的size，最终这个“公认”的策略是在你所特定的游戏中接近于最
优的。而这个策略本身不是哪个牛人算出来的，而是无数玩家，不论水平高低，年龄老
幼，无数次在相同牌桌上反复实践，互相参照（影响），慢慢形成的。是一个平衡值。
意思是，在其他设定“正... 阅读全帖 |
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f********d
发帖数: 796 | 9 本人从2016年初开始打牌，一直努力学习。目前主打bovada 9max NL50.我会把每天有
意思的牌普记录下来，有打的臭的，打的好的。大家一起讨论学习。
从7月开始用软件记录自己的成绩，目前好像是5bb/100 hand，大概2-3万手牌吧。之前
在水木上贴牌普，以后两边一起更新。
hand8
好久没来了，发两手nit fold
hero has KJo MP, V open 3bb EP. Hero call. both has around 100bb
flop JJ8 R, V check, hero bet 60% pot. V call
Turn 4, now board has two d. V check , hero bet 70% pot. V call
River is 7d, V shove allin. Hero tank fold
这个对手有点疯，但是我读他可能是88，9dTd这样的牌。
hand 9
hero has AKo MP open 3bb，V is in CO call the open. both 100b
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f********d
发帖数: 796 | 10 本人从2016年初开始打牌，一直努力学习。目前主打bovada 9max NL50.我会把每天有
意思的牌普记录下来，有打的臭的，打的好的。大家一起讨论学习。
从7月开始用软件记录自己的成绩，目前好像是5bb/100 hand，大概2-3万手牌吧。之前
在水木上贴牌普，以后两边一起更新。
hand8
好久没来了，发两手nit fold
hero has KJo MP, V open 3bb EP. Hero call. both has around 100bb
flop JJ8 R, V check, hero bet 60% pot. V call
Turn 4, now board has two d. V check , hero bet 70% pot. V call
River is 7d, V shove allin. Hero tank fold
这个对手有点疯，但是我读他可能是88，9dTd这样的牌。
hand 9
hero has AKo MP open 3bb，V is in CO call the open. both 100b
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y********n
发帖数: 2063 | 11 I have 6bb, she can not call.
Usually speak, 6bb is good stack for shoving, 12bb is good for reshoving.
And When I allin, I usually have sth. sth like, one ace or one king or two
broadway, 22-55.
A5, A8 is terrible for reshoving, usually suited connector is good for
reshove, shove is ok also.
call
silly. |
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t*********d
发帖数: 3398 | 12 NL100
UTG limped in, UTG+1 raised to 6bb, button called 6BB, I was big blinds with
KK, re-raised to 20BB, UTG folded, UTG+1 170 BB all in, button folded. My
stack covered UTG+1 and folded my KK after thinking for 5 seconds. |
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y**t
发帖数: 205 | 13 好像他说的是6bb/hand。4k profit/66k hand。
今年和我差不多, 比我强一些, 可能升级比我快一些...6bb/100 很厉害...能把不同级
别的赢率分开写一写吗? |
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d*****0
发帖数: 1500 | 14 1 1K 11
2 750 3.3 $7.78
3 1.5K 11
4 1K 11
5 1.5K 3.3+3+3 $28.75
6 3K 11+10+10
1号，UTG+1,TJs 12bb open shove，take down。UTG A7o open shove 14bb into QQ,
knockout
2号，大盲位88 14bb 3bet shove rock 2.1x open + a flatter，take down。换桌，
第一把，UTG 16bb open shove with A9o，被两家AJo call到，suckout！紧接着第二
把，AKo，接了16bb 和8bb的两连推，hold！wow！card dead + busy with other
tables ＝ auto ITM，呵呵。hero 大盲位，55 10bb stack call EP 5bb shove>A9s。
UTG+1 TJo 13bb shove，take down。换桌，UTG 33，15bb，看到大小盲均... 阅读全帖 |
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f*****g
发帖数: 15860 | 15 yes, draws can be played many ways, but there's one thing different in this
hand, you didn't even call the flop (with over $700 left if called), this in
turn, made your preflop OOP limp call 6BB questionable, right?
As7s has little value other than nut flush draw on the flop (1/8), let alone
from MP, and to call 6BB from a tight/deep player with position. it's
almost like ATo, we need to fold here and there preflop without position if
we care too much about variance, they're all trouble hands if... 阅读全帖 |
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T******r
发帖数: 265 | 16 有一个T的话，还是好侦查的。大概是2bb->3枪兵的时候去侦察~4min，如果对方是6bb
的话，这时候好像有个timing. 枪兵不够，只有一两个。压一下，打乱6bb的节奏。或
者是不让他们合并，分开吃掉。如果前期不压制，枪兵一块出门，shared control.基
本可以gg了。 P要立场防守，但是盟友就很难办了。 |
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F********e
发帖数: 1942 | 17 ☆─────────────────────────────────────☆
wuyt (WEC) 于 (Mon Aug 29 18:25:50 2011, 美东) 提到:
坑爹的!!!!!
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anoia (high estrogen man) 于 (Mon Aug 29 18:31:33 2011, 美东) 提到:
这让我们怎么传兵堵路口啊！x
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dannyfulgent (小丹尼) 于 (Mon Aug 29 18:43:17 2011, 美东) 提到:
这么坑爹啊...
☆─────────────────────────────────────☆
wuyt (WEC) 于 (Mon Aug 29 18:52:32 2011, 美东) 提到:
pvz pvp影响最大，pvz 神族下坡难度增大了不小，pvp可以说 4bg差不多杜绝了
☆─────────────────────────... 阅读全帖 |
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b*u
发帖数: 466 | 18 【 以下文字转载自 WaterWorld 讨论区 】
发信人: bwu (bruce), 信区: WaterWorld
标 题: 港人反击孔庆东
发信站: BBS 未名空间站 (Fri Jan 20 16:08:06 2012, 美东)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ko5MSXZjmBE
我只想問一下
他是想挑撥起兩地的沖突嗎？？？？
我相信地鐵事件中 誰對誰錯 只要有常識的都一定看得懂
而且在我眼中 一個一直只會說狗的人 素質水平也沒有多高
他就是一個沒素質的好例子 只會一直說狗 詞窮了嗎?????
而且這個電視台 容許這段影片播出是有何居心?????
他一直強調香港不好 香港不好 那他為什麼在3:16中說 我多次去香港
請問你是有被虐傾向嗎??? 還是說你欠罵??????
我真係想講一句 你E隻狗 快D爬出黎同所有香港人 講對唔住!!!!!
KCCB2013 4 hours ago 21
我並不偏幫香港或中國內地。
"人家不過是個孩子... 阅读全帖 |
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o********e
发帖数: 218 | 19 举几个例子
1领带。怎么看都像贩卖奴隶的时候奴隶脖子上系的绳子（不信你去百度几张照片看看
）这都能成为时尚，脑子有坑吧
2拉链。和扣子比起来，这玩意就是垃圾，拉链卡顿是每个人都遇到过的吧，上厕所的
时候急死你，卡住JJ皮的时候更是让你欲仙欲死吧，男人永远的痛。
3圆珠笔。实用不如钢笔（灌点有颜色的水就能用）方便不如铅笔，垃圾。
4一次性塑料袋。这个不用我说，公认的白色垃圾。
5瘦肉精。再杠的美粉都得承认这是垃圾。除了美国，全世界都禁用。
6BB机。除了忽悠了一把中国，全世界都不用。垃圾中的战斗机。
7电子游戏。最沉迷的人都不得不承认这是精神垃圾。除了费钱费时间外得不到任何好
处。王者荣耀就是很好的例子。
8智能手机。手机能够打电话，听音乐就已经非常完美了。该死的乔布斯却非要把电脑
功能移植到手机上，造成大量的手机依赖症患者，明知不对还不能自拔。把不玩游戏的
女生都给坑了。
9高跟鞋。不用举例，几乎所有的医生都反对女生穿高跟鞋。
10隐形眼镜。因为每个人的眼睛形状不同。隐形眼镜造成的眼部创伤感染不要太多，为
了美观损害人类最重要的视觉器官，还有比这更傻逼的发明？
还有很多很多，就不举例了... 阅读全帖 |
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W*****B
发帖数: 4796 | 20 BP 机现在美国医生还在用吧
： 举几个例子
：1领带。怎么看都像贩卖奴隶的时候奴隶脖子上系的绳子（不信你去百度几张照片看看
：）这都能成为时尚，脑子有坑吧
：2拉链。和扣子比起来，这玩意就是垃圾，拉链卡顿是每个人都遇到过的吧，上厕所的
：时候急死你，卡住JJ皮的时候更是让你欲仙欲死吧，男人永远的痛。
：3圆珠笔。实用不如钢笔（灌点有颜色的水就能用）方便不如铅笔，垃圾。
：4一次性塑料袋。这个不用我说，公认的白色垃圾。
：5瘦肉精。再杠的美粉都得承认这是垃圾。除了美国，全世界都禁用。
：6BB机。除了忽悠了一把中国，全世界都不用。垃圾中的战斗机。
：7电子游戏。最沉迷的人都不得不承认这是精神垃圾。除了费钱费时间外得不到任何好
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n*******y
发帖数: 3337 | 21 【 以下文字转载自 TexasHoldem 讨论区 】
发信人: fcf (fcf), 信区: TexasHoldem
标 题: 扑克玩家的成长
发信站: BBS 未名空间站 (Sun Feb 7 10:58:11 2010, 美东)
转发一个我几个月以前写的东西
扑克玩家的成长
这是我对扑克玩家的成长一点心得，不一定都是对的，总是有特例的，但我想对大
多数人来说是差不多的。
级别1：
刚刚学会打牌的规则，没有任何技巧的概念，打牌基本是乱玩。
级别2：
看了一点资料，可能看了一本书，知道了pot odds, position, 知道了打牌要tight
aggressive, 不过其实并不懂为什么， 也不知道怎么样打才叫tight aggressive, 打
牌的技巧基本只知道preflop, flop, 如果问问题的话，一般只记得自己有什么牌，
flop上有什么牌，对每个人的动作只记得是bet/check/raise, 不在意下注的大小，
大家的位置，stack 大小，等等。这时候记得的牌多半是AA/KK 这种牌。
级别3：
玩了上万手牌了，输了一些，这是一个分界线，有些人输了就... 阅读全帖 |
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W****i
发帖数: 1314 | 23 觉得低端的spinning也还好
4－6bb的海轮。
我的我每年拆一次保养，除垢上油，除了okuma baitfeeder比较复杂重装了3次之外，
别的基本上不看图搞定。 |
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y********n
发帖数: 2063 | 24 And one crucial skill is to know how to win extra pot when you do not hit,
and you know how to play postflop and against certain player.
One pot is so crucial, it makes it add another 8bb--12bb to your stack.
Suppose you are in BB, have 1010, button raises to 3bb.
you have to call,
flop ace queen 5,
you check,
button raise. to 4BB
Do you fold right away or call? If you call, what should you do next street?
I watch one guy(BB) played, he calls 4bb raise. turn is 8 , BB leads out with 6bb. and win |
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y********n
发帖数: 2063 | 25 Suppose you are in BB, have 1010, button raises to 3bb.
you have to call,
flop ace queen 5,
you check,
button raise. to 4BB
Do you fold right away or call? If you call, what should you do next street?
I watch one guy(BB) played, he calls 4bb raise. turn is 8 , BB leads out
with 6bb. and wins the pot.
I do not what button has, he may fold kq there.
You win extra big pot there.
I guess another way to play is to lead out after the flop. This way is more safe. Your hand turns 1010 to 27. But go |
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d**x
发帖数: 1934 | 26 1. should fold at turn...if I were u
2. dont know about this...if I were u, I will flat call on the flop. 10 is
not a big kicker...
3. he called u 6bb raise, so I guess at least he got a high pocket... to
your question, I will c-bet on the flop and bet the pot on the turn...
jm2c... |
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y********n
发帖数: 2063 | 27 I calculated it, I had 18bb, and she only raised to 2bb(2*16k=32k), it is no way to
shove allin there. The best way to play is to re-raise to 6bb-7bb(6.5bb=6
.5*12k=78k) there. No matter I have 27 or aa, the correct re-raise size is
around 72k--78k.
If I have 27, and get repoped, I fold(leave me around 12bb to play, it is
enough). If he folds, that is good result for me. And if he calls, I know he has a hand,(the hand range can be defined, ak, aq, or 1010, jj, qq, kk, aa) then play very cautious |
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f*****g
发帖数: 15860 | 28 fold.
is this 1/2NL game?
JsQs is a "beautiful" but speculative hand (as harrington calls, most of time
a TROUBLE hand), WITHOUT position, you need to play it cheap and hit a big
flop, so:
1) your pre-flop call is problematic, 6BB limp/call is too much. if you
really want to play it, a raise like $7 is even better than limp/call;
2) you hit an OK flop only. yes, you hit your Q, but 80% of your hand
potentials are now gone (no spade flush, no straight draw). your hand is
actually much weaker than |
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d**x
发帖数: 1934 | 29 yes, 1/2 nl @ reno.
6bb call is surprising to me as well... I want to change the way I played at
that hand..haha
time
better
to |
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d**x
发帖数: 1934 | 30 我是button...holding JJ..
我tm无语了我.. |
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p*******p
发帖数: 13670 | 32 coz your raise is too big |
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d**x
发帖数: 1934 | 33 whats ur action when you are button holding Js with 3 limpers in front of
you? |
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h****h
发帖数: 1168 | 35 anything u think is not possible is reasonable to win big over u.
anything u can expect is not. |
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m*****i
发帖数: 1873 | 36 a very loose aggressive guy limp in UTG bf flop 2 guys called after that.
I have AK in BB, I raised to 12(6bb) , he called
flop is Kh 4c 6c I lead out 20$ , he reraise to 40$, I just call and want to
see the turn, turn is Ac, I check, he bet 40$, I called, river another club.
I bet 66$ in to it and he all in I fold.
I think I made huge mistakes... |
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y********n
发帖数: 2063 | 37 do not know if it is a turbo.
保守 is good for sng, no matter it is turbo or normal.
wait to 6BB stack, then allin. (for example: blinds 100/200, you have 1000 chips, then shove in), and scoop up blinds with ace * hand.
or accumulate to a chip leader, then wait for big hand
大家似乎都很保守，我试过五六次，只进过一次前四。---->you must play impatiently. |
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f*****g
发帖数: 15860 | 38 这老东西比较难对付，不过他也有点顾忌俺，HU他剩700K，俺600K，讨论同意他$680，
俺$601，有意思。
倒是摸了几把傻子牌，不过中间KK flopped set让毛驴的AJo在turn上shove，river
gutshot broadway一把，搞得只剩1000筹码，6BB，靠！活过来了。 |
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l***q
发帖数: 62 | 39 不知道楼主是不是说的tournament，如果是tournament后期，有效stack都小于10BB，
又不是bubble，AK一般要跟。
但是Cash game里面正常stack AK不跟太正常了，如果有效stack大于100BB，我AK一般
都要放给4 Bet。昨天的一手牌，我在CO，fold到我前面一土人，raise to 6BB，我AKs
，reraise to 13BB，又fold到土人，土人推出一大把，至少60BB，我在1秒钟内就扔了
我的AKs，并亮给他看。他也亮出KK。我如果call可以说绝对要把自己的150BB commit
了，而他除了AA就是KK，难道还有比这个更糟糕的情况？ |
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y********n
发帖数: 2063 | 40 投机心理太大-----exactly
When you play cash game, you could estimate your winning rate, such as 4-6bb
/100hands.
in the long run, your winning rate is pretty consistent. If your skill level
increases, you can move to high buyin level. Otherwise, just stick to your
normal level( to balance the swings) , and win some easy cash. At the same
time, accumulate experience.
Your play way is just gambling, and winning big one time, and lose many many
times later on. Actually it is not consistent winning way to |
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H*******n
发帖数: 914 | 41 why play 6max?
6bb
level
your
many
. |
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t*********d
发帖数: 3398 | 42 是啊， 我老老实实在我熟悉的桌子打吧。
昨天本来账户新高， 借过输了400， 很不爽； 跑去搞大的， 又输1000； 更不爽，
继续搞， 又输1000。
然后就把账户剩的钱转银行了。
6bb
level
your
many
. |
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t*********d
发帖数: 3398 | 43 那个倒霉蛋从1200开始输
最后没了。
中间被我 bluff 了一把。
He is UTG bet 3bb, I had K8 and raised to 6bb = $48
flop K34, I bet 48, he raised to 120, I called; turn check;
river I bet 90, he folded. |
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p*****s
发帖数: 33 | 44 Totally agree, 95% I will not call this kind of shove. And if he has 20-
40BB, 100% I will not call.
Here is the reason why I called with AQ.
I felt he has a small pair or less and happy to make 10BB profit by kicking
everyone out with big stack. He most likely will raise to around 8-10BB if
he has 3), 4-6BB if he has 4) or 5).
Problem is even if you got the read right, the luck still screwed you... :) |
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发帖数: 7793 | 45 If it is like you said in that tounament. Then you should fold more.
Does that happen often in a tnounament? player A. tight. folds to most of
raise preflop. you player B, agressive. Raising 2 out of 3 hands, stealing
blinds and accumulating chips like crazy and have chip lead.
case 1) you raise 3X bb CO 10 Js, bb tight guy A shove 12 bb. do you call?
case 2) utg or EP shove 5 bb, button thought for a while reshove all in 6bb.
you bb with chip lead with 10 8s. Do you call?
Both are fold.
1) yo |
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h******g
发帖数: 100 | 46 Case 1, no argument, fold for sure.
Case 2, depends on the situation and my stack. If I have 25bb+ and sensing
both my cards are live, it is a call for me 50% of the time. It is NOT an
instant call like what you think I will do. If I have less than that, fold.
By the way, I don't need instructions in terms of maintaining chip lead, I
am very good at that.
6bb.
But |
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t*********d
发帖数: 3398 | 47 两把都输了：
第一把对手KcKs
我的失误在于preflop不该call 4 bet, flop的 call all in则没有错
第二把对手QQ
我的失误是flop不该 call all in, 毕竟只放了6bb， 应该fold
button, SB called. |
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t*********d
发帖数: 3398 | 48 我周末也一把， one middle position limped in, I called with AsJs, CO raise to 6bb, button called, MP folded, I called. flop KdQs9s, I checked, CO checked, button bet 16bb, I called, CO folded. Turn Ts, I checked, button checked. River Kd, I checked, button all in 60bb, I knew I would lost it but still called.
sigh! Button had KcQc.
how nice if river was Ks! |
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p*******p
发帖数: 13670 | 49 你为啥ｃｈｅｃｋ ｔｕｒｎ.... 这种ｂｏａｒｄ, 太可能２ ｐａｉｒｓ,就酸你
不怕ｄｒａｗ ｏｕｔ,也要ｂｕｉｌｄ ｐｏｔ啊.
to 6bb, button called, MP folded, I called. flop KdQs9s, I checked, CO
checked, button bet 16bb, I called, CO folded. Turn Ts, I checked, button
checked. River Kd, I checked, |
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