q****8
发帖数: 3281 | 1 6max NL600 (2 players)
Villain (SB) is a decent LAG, we have been playing HU for 100 hands.
My play was normal, a little bit weak, nothing creative, never won a middle-
size pot.
Then it comes this hand:
SB(D): $1055
BB(Hero): $508 with 10h 9s
Preflop:
SB raised to 12,
BB calls.
Flop: 2c 3d 2d
BB checks,
SB bets 16,
BB raised to 48,
SB raised to 80,
BB raised to 180,
SB calls.
Turn: Ks
BB checks,
SB checks.
River: 7d
BB All in with 316
SB folds.
After this hand, I got the momentum and suddenly c... 阅读全帖 |
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q****8
发帖数: 3281 | 2 我不太知道现在的NL200的特点。因为BR的关系,前几天打了不少NL50。这几天打了些
NL100,感觉有些reg preflop play比NL50 aggressive 不少,有点NL600的样子,但
postflop技术差很多。NL600 6max其实并不是像想那样到处是 3bet,4bet,很多赢钱的
reg都打得比较solid, 有一两个我就不记得他们犯过错,当然你牌好可以赢他,但他像机
器一样情绪平稳始终不犯错, 真的很可怕。 |
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s*****s
发帖数: 1130 | 3 6max 200NL
我经常性的steal, 3bet and squeeze,其他人都已经不信我了,特别是我右手的倒霉哥
们,每把都被我搞.
MP: ~$200
CO: ~$300
BTN: Hero AA ~$400
Preflop:
MP open to $7
CO call $7
Hero 3bet to $27
MP call
CO call
真高兴啊真高兴
flop: A73r
MP check,
CO check,
Hero bets $63
MP fold,
CO raise to $138
Hero think think think and call
不着急，这一点危险都没有,turn上再把他搞进来．
turn: T
CO shove the rest of his stack
Hero calls
CO shows QJ
心想没看出来嘛，这哥们还挺有创意的.
River: K
CO took money and left.
Hero欲哭无泪啊． |
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s*****s
发帖数: 1130 | 4 昨天试着玩了会6max 400NL, 问问大家对这手牌有什么建议.
CO: ~$800, fish, I 3bet him frequently
BTN: Hero QcQs ~$900
BB: ~$800, a good player who is fully aware what I am doing. He doesn't
fold to me easily and could trap me.
Preflop:
CO open to $14
Hero raise to $48
BB 4bet to $98
CO fold
Hero call
BB's 4bet is a surprise. It could be that he is bluffing because he thinks
I am bluffing the fish. But I am not sure. This is the first time he does
it. For 100BB stack, I would shove. For 200BB, I don't feel that is... 阅读全帖 |
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s*****s
发帖数: 1130 | 5 6max 200NL
CO: ~$200 a good player
BTN: ~$250 also a good player
SB: ~250 Qc2c
Preflop
CO opens to $6
BTN calls
SB calls
Flop AcJh4c
Hero donk bet $15
CO calls
BTN calls
Turn 9c
Hero现在有了同花,下面应该怎么玩? 大家给个意见吧. |
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s*****s
发帖数: 1130 | 6 200NL 6max
BTN: ~$250 a good aggressive player who steals and cbets often. He knows I
can bluff him in many ways and he doesn't fold easily.
BB: Hero 6h3h ~$250, I often 3bet BTN preflop or check raise BTN cbet on
flop
Preflop
BTN open to $6
Hero call
Flop: 6d4h2d
Hero check
BTN cbet $9.75
Hero raise to $21.5
BTN reraise to $54
Hero call
Turn: 8s
Hero check
BTN bet $76
Hero call
River: Jc
Hero check,
BTN all in
Hero call
Guess what BTN has? |
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s*****s
发帖数: 1130 | 8 6max 400NL
UTG: ~$700 a good aggressive player
MP: ~$400 a good player too
CO: ~$400 a fish
SB: ~$700 Hero As9c
Preflop:
UTG open to $10
MP call
CO call
Hero squeeze from SB to $46
UTG raise to $116
MP fold
CO fold
Hero call
Flop: Th2h2s
Hero check
UTG bet $150
Hero call
Turn: 6h
Hero check
UTG check
River: Ts
Hero bet $180
UTG fold |
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q****8
发帖数: 3281 | 9 青虫兄是本版Bluff第一人，外加Floating第一人！
象你这种OOP 4－bet pot floating或者2条街的IP 3-bet pot floating,我就不记得在
6max里曾经做过，最多在HU里出现过。 |
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s*****s
发帖数: 1130 | 10 我又查了一下我的standard deviation, 200+NL 6max现在已经是155了.
abc |
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s*****s
发帖数: 1130 | 11 6max 200NL
BB: ~$300 a sticky fish that doesn't fold easily
UTG: ~$300 Hero JsJc
CO: ~$250 an aggressive fish that often overplays the strength of his card
BTN: ~$200 a decent player
Preflop
Hero opens to $7
CO calls
BTN calls
BB calls
Flop 6c3s2h
BB check
Hero cbet $18
CO raise to $56
BTN fold
BB all in
Hero tank tank and fold
I don't mind to get in with CO fish, but BB fish's check 4bet all in is so
strong that I can't call
CO fish tank and call, shows A6
BB fish show TT and eventually win th... 阅读全帖 |
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s*****s
发帖数: 1130 | 12 It is fun to play other LAGs.
6max 400NL
BB: ~$700, LAG that 3bet light vs my BTN steal 3 times in the last 10 mins.
1st time, I fold. 2nd time, I 4bet light, he calls preflop and flop cbet,
and fold to my turn bet. 3rd time, I call his 3bet, float flop and fold to
his second barrel.
CO: $400, LAG that steals often and is trying to fight back my 3bet from out
of position
Hero: JdJh ~$800, a crazy raise station that the whole table knows
Preflop
CO open $10
Hero raise to $35
BB 4bet to $83
CO fol... 阅读全帖 |
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s*****s
发帖数: 1130 | 13 6max 200NL
SB: ~$280 He 3bet quite often in response to my steal every time.
CO：~$200 a player new to the table
BTN: ~$300 Hero As9s
Preflop
CO limp
Hero open to $8
SB 3bet to $28
CO fold
Hero call
Flop Th6s6d
SB cbet $40
Hero call
Turn 8c
SB second barrel $75
Hero shove
SB tank and fold |
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w***w
发帖数: 6301 | 14 他在德州，没有赌场。
离德州边界最近的赌场也是小赌场，没有高额桌。
再说live10人台，打法和网上6max不一样。 |
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s*****s
发帖数: 1130 | 15 200NL 6max
BB: Hero AA $265
UTG: new to table, seems fishy $190
BTN: short stacker $65
Preflop
UTG limp
MP and CO fold
BTN open $9
SB fold
BB Hero 3bet to $24
UTG call $24
BTN all in
Hero raise again to $100
UTG call again
Flop Qs6h4d
Hero all in
UTG call
UTG's hand looks so strong, but I do have AA. I was wondering maybe he has
AA too.
BTN shows KK, which makes sense.
Guess what UTG shows, Js7s. He got nothing preflop and flop !!!
Guess what happens after
Turn 7 !!!!
River 7 !!!!!!!
UTG took ... 阅读全帖 |
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s*****s
发帖数: 1130 | 16 200NL 6max
SB ~$250, had some history with hero, seems decent so far, not too crazy not
too weak either
UTG ~$230, Hero AsAc
BTN ~$200, new to the table
Preflop
Hero opens to $7
BTN calls
SB calls
Flop JsTd4h
SB check
Hero cbet $15
BTN fold
SB raise to $34
Would you fold AA to a check raise like this?
Hero decided to call
Turn 2d
SB bet 65
would you fold now?
Hero decided to call
River Kc
SB all in
would you fold now?
I was really thinking that I should fold. One possible hand that I beat is
A... 阅读全帖 |
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q****8
发帖数: 3281 | 17 贴一首昨天的牌：
600NL 6max
SB $983, so so semi reg
BB $468, bad rec player
UTG $786 (Hero), with AA
UTG+1 $600, average semi reg
CO $703, bad rec player
BTN $291, short stack reg
Preflop
Hero opens to $18
UTG+1 calls
CO folds
BTN calls
SB calls
BB calls
Flop 399 rainbow
SB check
BB check
Hero bet half pot $45
UTG+1 folds
BTN folds
SB calls $45
BB folds
Turn 7
SB bet $90
Hero calls
River K (no flush)
SB check
Hero bet 3/4 pot $270
SB All In with $830
Hero snap fold with $363 behind. |
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q****8
发帖数: 3281 | 18 总体思想：冒着引多人进锅，和被人suck out的风险，要EV最大化。
600NL 6max
SB $625, top reg
BB $308, bad semi reg
UTG $265, short stack reg
UTG+1 (Hero) $671, with KK
CO $857, short stack reg turns into big stack
BTN $680, bad semi reg
Preflop
UTG opens to $15
Hero calls
CO calls
BTN calls
SB folds
BB calls
Flop 669 rainbow
BB check
UTG cbet $50
Hero calls $50
CO folds
BTN folds
BB shove $293
UTG calls and All in
Hero calls
BB shows A9o
UTG shows QQ
Turn 7
River 2 |
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q****8
发帖数: 3281 | 19 一桌的short stacks:
600NL 6max
SB $174, short stack reg
BB $137, short stack reg
UTG $189, bad semi reg
UTG+1 $171, short stack reg
CO $216, no idea
BTN $821 (Hero), with JJ
Preflop
UTG opens to $12
Hero calls $12
BB shove $131
UTG folds
Hero calls
BB shows 22 |
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q****8
发帖数: 3281 | 20 看得出d神对锦标赛理解很深。
说道blocker, 个人觉得这只是概率理论上的自我安慰,实际并无太大用处。在6max
cash game里,AK preflop All in, 碰到AA, KK是司空见惯,两个人同时都有trip也经常
发生,三个人都有A, flop来张A,等等。大家都有这种经历:有时想了半天,觉得对手有某
牌的概率太小了,决定call,发觉他还真是这牌。所以做决定时,概率在此最多起个辅助
作用,read才是王道。 |
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s*****s
发帖数: 1130 | 21 200NL, 6Max
MP: ~$500 Hero QhQd
BTN: ~$200 new to the table
BB: ~$450 seems aggressive
Preflop
Hero open $7
BTN call
BB call
Flop
Td8c7c
BB check
Hero bet $16
BTN call $16
BB raise to $49
Hero call
BTN fold
Turn Qs
BB check
Hero bet $68, which is about 1/2 pot
BB call
River 6d
BB check
Hero bet $91
BB call and shows Ac9c
Questions
1. Would you fold to the raise on flop?
2. Would you play differently on turn and river? |
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q****8
发帖数: 3281 | 22 有个垃圾reg，经常trash talk,狗屎运赢我个大pot就来句"thank you".
今天在2桌对他一分钟之内2手牌都拿下,他就来句“running hot fish",可惜我从来不
秀牌。
600NL 6max 3 handed
SB $982, good reg with trash talk
BB $628 (Hero), with 9d 6d
BTN $180, short stack reg
Preflop
BTN folds
SB raises to $14
Hero raises to $42
SB calls $28
Flop Ks 7c 4h
SB check
BB check
Turn Td
SB bet $56
Hero raises to $166
SB calls $110
River 6c
SB check
Hero All In $420 (exact pot size shove)
SB folds. |
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q****8
发帖数: 3281 | 23 600NL 6max 6 handed
UTG+1 $1019, good reg with trash talk
CO $1270 (Hero), with 9h 4h
Preflop
UTG+1 opens to $21
Hero raises to $72
UTG+1 calls $51
others fold
Flop Kh Jh 7s
UTG+1 check
Hero bet half pot $76.5
UTG+1 calls
Turn Ks
UTG+1 check
Hero bet 2/3 pot $204
UTG+1 folds |
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w***w
发帖数: 6301 | 24 我就猜你没怎么打online。
online和live的主要区别：
1.
online基本上是打6-max。
live都是10人台。
2.
online发牌速度是live的3倍多。
3.所以在单位时间内online每位牌手和其他每位对手的交锋次数是live的5倍。
同时由于6max人数少，牌手进锅的牌力低于live，所以bluff的频率比live高很多。战
斗也比live激烈很多。相比之下，live打牌更依赖手上的牌力。（live的特点就是
action=牌力）
比如你一说起来，就是他怎么打，就代表手上是什么牌，听起来就很绝对。就像是live
的路子。
online不是这个思路。
online很多纯bluff，从一手牌说，这种纯bluff可能是负EV，但是从几十手，几百手来
看，这首bluff被call，却给以后大牌value bet创造条件。
live你要同样这样打你可能今天往后的时间很难拿到大牌，或你拿到大牌却碰不到同一
个对手。online就没有这个担忧。因为我前面说过，online发牌速度是live的3倍多，
同一对手交锋次数是live的5倍。
比如cbet的问题，从onlin... 阅读全帖 |
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s*****s
发帖数: 1130 | 26 6max 200NL
SB: ~$200 a new player to the table
BB: Hero 9c5c ~$300
UTG: ~$450, passive but not really a fish.
Preflop
UTG open to $5
SB call
Hero call from BB
Flop
QcJsTc
SB check,
Hero check,
UTG bet $10
SB call
Hero raise to $40
UTG call
SB fold
Turn 5h
Hero bet $75
UTG call
River 6s
Hero shove about $180
UTG call and show QhTh
Would you guys play combo draw differently? |
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s*****s
发帖数: 1130 | 27 200NL 6max
Nobody seems to be a fish on the table.
BB: > $700, a passive player
UTG: ~ $250
MP: ~ $300, LAG, but not as crazy as I am. I have 3bet him frequently
BTN: > $1100 Hero AcAs
Preflop
UTG limp
MP opens to $9
BTN Hero 3bet to $30
BB call
MP call
I was expecting MP to call me. BB's call is a surprise. We have played
three hours and he never cold call my 3bet before. My guess is that he has
something like JJ, too good to fold but not strong enough to 4bet with a
deep stack
Flop Td5h2c
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p****0
发帖数: 611 | 28 qing78， 前天观摩觉得你打得还稳啊？ 怎么今天就几个buy in不见了？ 你这主要是
head up输掉的还是6max？ |
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q****8
发帖数: 3281 | 29 HU和6MAX输各一半吧。按时间比例来看，我昨天大多时候是打的还算稳，但后来就不稳
了，不稳的时候时间比例小，但输了2/3的BR，明显是TILT。 |
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s*****s
发帖数: 1130 | 30 200NL 6max
BB: ~$500 Hero
UTG: ~$150, fish
BTN: ~$400, a good player who doesn't believe me. He could check call me
with a lot of hand. For example, I have seen him check call my flop cbet
with QJo on T high rainbow flop, or check call me with gut straight draw, or
A high on dry paired flop. He doesn't fold to my check raise easily too.
Preflop
UTG fish limp
BTN open to $6
BB Hero call with Td9h
UTG call
Flop: AdTc9s
Great, I hit my two pairs.
Hero check
UTG check
BTN bet $14
Good news, he ha... 阅读全帖 |
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s*****s
发帖数: 1130 | 31 400NL 6max
SB: ~$400, a decent player
BB: ~$450 an aggressive player
UTG: Hero ~$600, KsKc
Preflop
UTG: Hero opens to $12
SB call
BB call
Flop
8h6h2c
SB check
BB check
Hero bet $22
SB fold
BB raise to $80
Hero call
Turn Js
BB bet $150
Hero call
River Qs
BB all in ~$200
Hero call
1. Would you consider folding this hand? If so, when?
2. What if it is against a passive player?
3. What if the flop is rainbow?
4. What if turn or river A? |
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s*****s
发帖数: 1130 | 32 400NL 6max
SB: ~$400, a decent player
BB: ~$450 an aggressive player
UTG: Hero ~$600, KsKc
Preflop
UTG: Hero opens to $12
SB call
BB call
Flop
8h6h2c
SB check
BB check
Hero bet $22
SB fold
BB raise to $80
Hero call
Turn Js
BB bet $150
Hero call
River Qs
BB all in ~$200
Hero call
1. Would you consider folding this hand? If so, when?
2. What if it is against a passive player?
3. What if the flop is rainbow?
4. What if turn or river A? |
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W********m
发帖数: 7793 | 33 9-12 桌应该manageable. 再多， 九人桌还有可能。 6max 可能有点累， 我是肯定不
行。这种还需要完全focus。 家里有2岁以下小孩的，也别想了。。。
还是rush poker 好， 4桌等于16桌，轻松刷手数， 而且随时都可以停， 啥时poker
star 可以回US 啊。。。 |
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s*****s
发帖数: 1130 | 34 好象觉得还是bovada鱼多。养鱼潭200NL 6max 看起来基本上都是regular，同时玩好几
桌的。 |
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s*****s
发帖数: 1130 | 35 1000nl 6max
BB Hero ~$1500 7d2d
CO ~$1500 a loose and aggressive player. He steals very often from late
position. cbet almost every time. I have seen him bet 3 streets to push
people off couple times. Although I have never seen what he actually had, I
believe he must bluffed some of them.
Preflop
CO opens to $25
Hero call
everybody else fold
Flop Ah9c2c
Hero check
CO bet $40
Hero call
Turn 4d
Hero check
CO bet $95
Hero call
River 8h
Hero check
CO bet $220
Hero snap call
CO shows Jc5c
Hero wins... 阅读全帖 |
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w***w
发帖数: 6301 | 36 我是说read功力相当。不过风格不同。一个是L&G。一个是T&G。
这两个牌手哪个会成绩更好？
我觉得L&G从fish那里会赢得更多。但遇到T&G会略处下风。因为T&G进入的牌质量更高。
如果两人打HU，肯定是L&G赢。因为L&G会偷走很多小pot。
但是在6max T&G可以放弃很多差牌而不受损失（不进入pot）。而他进入时牌力会有相
对优势。 |
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d*****0
发帖数: 1500 | 37 villain是这个级别的大赢家，打法较平衡，但是也不轻易放弃，有点MM老湿的意思
hero image偏紧，但是有时候也会抡，不凶不弱
6Max，有效筹码大约100bb，3/6NL
Hero utg+1：AhKs open 13.5 as usual， 2 callers include btn Villain
flop （49.5）Td2dJs， hero tank cbet 25， MP call，villain call
Turn （118.5）Th，hero tank cbet 60， MP fold，villain call
River （238.5）As，hero fast check，villain tank and shove 400ish
hero？ |
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t********t
发帖数: 5415 | 38 抛个砖：
1.所有player丢到一个pool里
2.每个player有个统计，记录一个session里每个位置坐过多少回
3.服务端建立6/9条队（6max还是FR）
4.player fold之后，根据自己的统计摇出下一手坐哪，排到服务端的队里
5.服务端看到每个位置都有人之后shuffle up and deal |
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q****8
发帖数: 3281 | 39 对的，6MAX cash game 100bb,假设对手不详，AK如果遇到4bet,fold or call长期都是
losing play。full ring不是很了解。 |
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s*****s
发帖数: 1130 | 40 所以还是live 紧，我个人的online 6max经验推AK是没问题的，特别是象我这样形象不
好的，还经常推垃圾牌5bet all in bluff的。，^_^ |
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f********d
发帖数: 796 | 41 hand 21
bad read or bad play?
6max game. hero with JJ MP open 3bb. V at BTN call. both 100bb. SB call.
Flop T93 two hearts. check to hero, bet 7bb. V raise to 20bb. SB fold. Hero
call
Turn is a non heart Q. Hero shove allin （around 75bb）. V call, showing J8
two hearts
River is a non heart 2.
这手牌读出来他可能是抽花，加上刚输了一局k high flush输a high flush稍微有点
tilt。当时我的计划就是turn只要不来红桃就shove allin。结果没想到撞上对面的顺
子
了。。当然对面可能有set。但是看他的raise size抽花的概率大些。。。关键是，我
的
turn allin我自己还有两头顺。。。觉得是一个semi bluff。结果。。。。哎，最近输
好
惨 |
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f********d
发帖数: 796 | 42 Hand 22
Bad line or just cooler?
6max game. eff stack is around 80bb.
Hero with AQs at BB. ugt+1 open 3bb. btn flat call. Hero 3bet to 13bb. Both
flat.
Flop A45 rainbow. Hero lead half pot. ugt+1 fold. btn call.
Turn 9. now hero has a flush draw. Hero lead another 60% and it is allin now
. btn snap call. showing 55. river is 4.
这样的牌如果你们遇到会这样打么？btn在flop上的call实在不好估计，很有可能是67
， 或者Ax。总之就是如果turn上没有这个flush draw。我可能会check。但是如果有的
话算是一个top pair的semi bluff。 |
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f********d
发帖数: 796 | 43 hand 21
bad read or bad play?
6max game. hero with JJ MP open 3bb. V at BTN call. both 100bb. SB call.
Flop T93 two hearts. check to hero, bet 7bb. V raise to 20bb. SB fold. Hero
call
Turn is a non heart Q. Hero shove allin （around 75bb）. V call, showing J8
two hearts
River is a non heart 2.
这手牌读出来他可能是抽花，加上刚输了一局k high flush输a high flush稍微有点
tilt。当时我的计划就是turn只要不来红桃就shove allin。结果没想到撞上对面的顺
子
了。。当然对面可能有set。但是看他的raise size抽花的概率大些。。。关键是，我
的
turn allin我自己还有两头顺。。。觉得是一个semi bluff。结果。。。。哎，最近输
好
惨 |
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f********d
发帖数: 796 | 44 Hand 22
Bad line or just cooler?
6max game. eff stack is around 80bb.
Hero with AQs at BB. ugt+1 open 3bb. btn flat call. Hero 3bet to 13bb. Both
flat.
Flop A45 rainbow. Hero lead half pot. ugt+1 fold. btn call.
Turn 9. now hero has a flush draw. Hero lead another 60% and it is allin now
. btn snap call. showing 55. river is 4.
这样的牌如果你们遇到会这样打么？btn在flop上的call实在不好估计，很有可能是67
， 或者Ax。总之就是如果turn上没有这个flush draw。我可能会check。但是如果有的
话算是一个top pair的semi bluff。 |
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f*****g
发帖数: 15860 | 45 【 以下文字转载自 TexasHoldem 讨论区 】
发信人: fcf (fcf), 信区: TexasHoldem
标 题: 扑克玩家的成长
发信站: BBS 未名空间站 (Sun Feb 7 10:58:11 2010, 美东)
转发一个我几个月以前写的东西
扑克玩家的成长
这是我对扑克玩家的成长一点心得，不一定都是对的，总是有特例的，但我想对大
多数人来说是差不多的。
级别1：
刚刚学会打牌的规则，没有任何技巧的概念，打牌基本是乱玩。
级别2：
看了一点资料，可能看了一本书，知道了pot odds, position, 知道了打牌要tight
aggressive, 不过其实并不懂为什么， 也不知道怎么样打才叫tight aggressive, 打
牌的技巧基本只知道preflop, flop, 如果问问题的话，一般只记得自己有什么牌，
flop上有什么牌，对每个人的动作只记得是bet/check/raise, 不在意下注的大小，
大家的位置，stack 大小，等等。这时候记得的牌多半是AA/KK 这种牌。
级别3：
玩了上万手牌了，输了一些，这是一个分界线，有些人输了就... 阅读全帖 |
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t***k
发帖数: 57 | 46 how deep are you with the vilian?
how can you fold a KK for only like 100BB?
if the opponent reraise range has KK, AA, AKs or AKo, you still has 47/53
equity with your KK.
I guess you did not play online 6max. online even AK is a default all in
hand for 100bb. |
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t***k
发帖数: 57 | 47 one thing a lot of guys ignore playing online is money management. withought
money management playing the game is bount to lose your money sooner or
later.
also with the money management you can confidently embrace the money swing
in the game.
here is my manament for playing online 6max.
usually I keep 20 buy in for any level i play. if I wanna move up levels, I
will wait until I have 18 buyins of the next level, then take 3 buy in shots
of the next level, if failed then I just move back and pla |
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h****m
发帖数: 57 | 48 我那时一般都玩6max的，需要精力集中一些，把每个人都搞透，10人的可能起伏小些，
而且可以多玩几桌。 |
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h****m
发帖数: 57 | 49 很多低BUY-IN的都玩的不错，这是我截至到半年前在pokerstars上sng的战绩（从
sharkscope.com搞的），大部分打的是6max $13，$25或者$11 headsup。我感觉这些时
间段鱼多一些，平常东部时间晚上10pm-2am和周末，不知大家怎么想。 |
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