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I**********s
发帖数: 441 | 2 请先看完报告再下结论.
http://www.cra.org/CRN/articles/may08/taulbee.html
Figure 4 下面第二段开头: "The trend toward employment in industry over
academia continues for the 2006-07 Ph.D. graduates (Table 4) Table 4. Of
those who reported employment, 32% chose academic employment in North
America (compared to 33%, 43% and 60%, respectively, in the previous three
years)."
Table 4 在http://www.cra.org/CRN/articles/may08/tables1to8.html
该表显示: 06-07年毕业PhD总人数为1775, 报告了毕业去向的为1456, 占82%. 32% x
82% = 26%. 至少26%去academia是肯定的 |
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I**********s
发帖数: 441 | 3 哈哈, 还是没有完全搞清楚.
1775的13.2%是报告去向的1456人里来的, 另外20%里肯定还有去Tenure-track和Other
CS/CE Dept的. 此外去北美以外学校的Tenure-track还有55人. 加起来更接近20%而不
是10%.
有20个系没有报告数据. 这些应该都是比较小的席, 毕业人数不多, 不会明显影响统计.
另外看来你讲的Academia是单指research+teaching的faculty, 单做research和单做
teaching的都没有算上, 也不算PostDoc. 你直接说research faculty好了, 说
Academia会引起误解的.
还是比较靠谱的。 |
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w***g
发帖数: 5958 | 4 我老板说过，there are many interesting things to work on, but there are very
few things worth many years of hard working。我觉得王垠是bar比较高，随便点的
东西他看不上眼。对真正有才华的人来说，其实找个MLGB之类的公司做脚踏实地的engi
neer，不但是埋没自己才华的问题，其实也是社会的一个损失。他quit了，以后还有希
望做出大事来，他要走academia或者在google干下去，就他那个方向，永无出头之日。
社会并不缺少一个教授王垠或者在Google做engineer的王垠。大量的中国人和
印度人因为签证绿卡生活家人小孩各种原因不得不拿低工资在academia或industry给美
国资本家干活，其实已
经把market搞坏了。现在正是需要大量像王垠这种人来让人重新认识到技术牛人的价值
。出来混本来就是要take risk。也许若干年后王垠还是没有混出一番事业，但我绝不
会怀疑是他技术不行。那时候他要是又要quit，我还是会竖起大拇指叫一声:好。
下面贴个战国策里的故事... 阅读全帖 |
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p*****2
发帖数: 21240 | 5
我只是想知道为什么后端能不能用node，以为有什么技术上的限制。如果没有技术限制
，有公司用来做后端也不是不可能的。既然有公司可以用node作后端，paypal用node做
也不是不可能的。我不觉得node做后端就好，目前来看我也觉得不如JVM，但是如果有
公司这么做我也不会特别surprised。比如，
Academia.edu www.academia.edu uses node for background data
processing
Safe Doors Sweden sakradorren.se Swedish online shop entirely built on
node. Initial version was only 1000 lines of JavaScript code supporting
full fledged online retail, search, categories, variations, price lists and
payments with payson, paypal and klarna. |
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h*****n
发帖数: 924 | 6 tolerate and graduate. i do not think there is any other solution IF you wan
t a career in academia. the academia disfunctions in correcting such bad beh
aviors, but it is the reality.
You just have bad luck. do not take it personal, just his bad personality.
ignore the suggestions on quitting -- unless you are sure you want so.
ignore the suggestions on recording -- unless you are sure this is legal in
your state
sexual harrassment? it seems not enough to be very harmful to him at this
point. a |
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S****r
发帖数: 982 | 7 I can hardly understand your points. You are thinking the job security in
industrial is better than those in academia? The reality is, when you enter
the industrial, you could never come back.
On the other hand, if there is no job security and lower salary, why you come to the industrial, to sacrifice yourself to Jews on Wall street? The chance to be succeed in the industrial, e.g. by promoting to managing level, or having your own business, is also very slim and no more better than in academ... 阅读全帖 |
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n********k
发帖数: 2818 | 8 As you folks are discussing Cori, I happened to read his autobiography and
find it both interesting and enlightening:)))...BTW, it sounds Richard Axel
is a lot nicer than what I/we have heard...or in another word, his cruelty
is rooted in his obsession with science and indifference to humanity:))); As
well, it is pretty...he noted Cori but left his ex out...pretty human or
not human?
Autobiography
Richard AxelNew York City is my world. I was born in Brooklyn, the first
child of immigrant parents... 阅读全帖 |
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s******r
发帖数: 2876 | 9 去Genentech, academia, industry兼顾。
这倒是。
不过我是觉得faculty这种职业挺尴尬的 尤其在现在这个时代 科学家要靠政府资助和
富翁给钱活着 已经谈不上什么彻底的学术自由和尊严可言。收入和工作强度方面又比
不了真正挽起袖子挣钱的职业。而且一般情况下也创造不出什么有价值的东东。所以也
难怪n多的生物faculty对自己的工作和hypothesis的热情/认可到了偏执的地步--没办
法 没有self-reinforcement不好坚持下去啊 lol...
差一点点就离开academia了前一阵 就因为这个。不过现在决定还再自在几年再说。。 |
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S**********l
发帖数: 3835 | 10 我想不出来lz会有什么损失。反正大不了不走academia呗。反正他要不发paper也走不
了academia。
再说他发文章的时候肯定不挂老板了啊。
如果搞成了。按楼主的说法，这个贡献也不小。我觉得很好啊。肯定有学校要。 |
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b****y
发帖数: 103 | 11 why stuck with academy?
It is true that Chinese are not considered minority in academia.
However, we are considered minority in small business. And every year every
federal agency has specific amount of $ allocated to underrepresented small
business. So the best strategy is
(1) become a US citizen
(2) setup a small company, make sure sure your wife holding 51% ownership
(3) setup shop in some underdeveloped region of this country. Believe it or
not , a huge percentage of this country is conside... 阅读全帖 |
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y******8
发帖数: 1764 | 12 Academia itself should be curiosity oriented. Any self-disciplined scientist
would only make very limited claims.
It the public put extra pressure or incentives on scientific research,
academia can be easily polluted. So, quite often, many critics also helped
to distort the truth.
I only look at concepts on those fancy papers. As I know, CNS love to risk
retractions and other people's reputation to publish novel concepts.
, |
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g********0
发帖数: 6201 | 13 04/10/2012 Tanya Lewis
In a series of comments in Nature, economists suggest ways to reduce
financial inefficiency in academic research, but some researchers don’t
believe science should be managed like a business.
In today’s economic climate, academic institutions are seeking to maximize
their investment in research. While financial and productivity experts agree
that inefficiencies exist within the system, their suggestions for
improvement vary.
Last week, Nature published three commentaries (... 阅读全帖 |
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w******y
发帖数: 4871 | 14 T32? 俺fellowship面试有的program就有这个T32 training grant,缺点是3年，多了一
年training,而且结束后要走academia的道路（clinic research)，academia的工资没
有出来后去private practice工资高啊。 |
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p********n
发帖数: 1707 | 15 I had spent close to 6 yrs in academia, and I must say that academia has
more of share of racism. This post is just another evidence of that.
The sport star Jeremy Lin also said that he felt more racism at university
than in sports. How true! |
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z*h
发帖数: 773 | 16 Simply speaking, companies are doing much better than academia in this field
. Most in this board are from academia. |
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b*****n
发帖数: 1841 | 17 Francis Collins和Shirley Tilghman总算为广大wsn谋了点福利。
1. NIH will increase yearly stipends for the 35,000 postdocs it supports
from $39,000 to $42,000
2. NIH will spend an average of US$50 million a year for 10 years on a grant
programme designed to provide financial support and mentoring to
undergraduates at less-research-intensive institutions, which tend to have
more diverse student populations.
3. Another set of up to 50 grants, each worth about $250,000, will entice
institutions to launch innovati... 阅读全帖 |
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a**********2
发帖数: 3726 | 18 Did you talk with him? I mean real conversation. Many Chinese do not know
how to communicate, and always assume others should understand him or her by
looking at his or her face expression or reading behind the line.
You should also understand he is just a first year student, really should
not expect much from him.
Don't say 9 to 5, we all know how academia operates. Even many companies do
not have strict 9 to 5 rule, let alone academia. As long as you complete
your work before certain timeline... 阅读全帖 |
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T*G
发帖数: 600 | 19 说实话，不大，大多数ABC学生物都是去med school， 再不济的也是为以后做
phycisian assistant 或者health care management做准备的，很少有奔着academia的
，就是奔着academia， 更重要的是grad school 和谁是你老板呵。 |
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W***o
发帖数: 6519 | 20 you mean a debate, Professor?
I am impressed by this "But her broader point is sound: academia is now one
of the most exploitative labor markets in the world.". This is such a bloody
truth! Don't want to sound so cynic, but biomedical (and Chemistry?) may be
the worst in the entire academia |
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g*****1
发帖数: 666 | 21 membrane protein crystal最近在academia的确有不小突破，不过我觉得big pharma现
在还仅仅是试探性的，谈不上扩张。多数工作是给些钱给startup或academia做，有些
interesting的结果就继续投些。重视基础研究的公司如Novartis， Gene可能自己养1-
2人也做些试探性的工作。没听说有什么真正意义的突破，各家招人的速度也不快，显
得并不积极。 |
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A******y
发帖数: 2041 | 22 Haha, that's why pharma are so crappy at discovering drugs. If not for
academia, the pharma's pipeline will be almost empty these days. Don't
forget, currently several blockbuster drugs are originated from academia.
的。 |
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w**********k
发帖数: 386 | 23 哎，干什么都不容易啊，
药厂funding紧张，academia funding已经紧张多少年了。
academia的玩命混到tenure吧，
business争取玩命挣钱提前退休 |
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d*****r
发帖数: 2583 | 24 The bio undergrads I know from THU/PKU/USTC:
2 went to Harvard Law school JD program, and many many others went to all
different top Law school JD programs...They either applied directly from
undergrad or when they are studying bio PhD in US.
Some went to top Statistics PhD programs, Financial Engineering PhD programs
directly or indirectly when they are in 2-3rd year Bio PhD here. And
finally they went to Wall Street or Pharm with high pay. I have met many bio
undergrad people in wall street t... 阅读全帖 |
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S***J
发帖数: 1210 | 25 看了觉得好堵得慌啊，不能自己独享，大家都来过把瘾。
【 以下文字转载自 Faculty 讨论区 】
发信人: lummy (河马·云何：no due no die), 信区: Faculty
标 题: 才看到这篇很 miserable 的帖子。。。
发信站: BBS 未名空间站 (Thu Jan 8 15:58:18 2015, 美东)
唉。。。
Anonymous on January 5, 2015 at 10:02 PM said:
I am in my late thirties and from all indications I have been very
successful. I am reasonably funded and I publish in good journals. All of my
colleagues say that I will be a star but what they don’t know is that I
have been trying to leave the profession for over 3 years. I... 阅读全帖 |
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s******s
发帖数: 13035 | 26 不错，academia里面打压抢credit确实很多；不过你以这个理由离开bio，或者其实你的
意思是离开academia，那就幼稚了。
拿谢来说，就算有绕鲁上面分credit，至少你还留着不少credit，你的名字至少大家都
知道
了吧。你要进公司，你的credit几乎百分之一百都是你老板你上级的，你一点也分不到。 |
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D*a
发帖数: 6830 | 27 打算每周至少转两篇。这是这周第二篇
By David G. Jensen
April 17, 2009
http://sciencecareers.sciencemag.org/career_magazine/previous_i
As I've stated many times in my columns, the best way to learn about a job
that sounds interesting to you is to talk to someone who's already working
in that position. In this series, I'll be doing some of that work for you,
but I urge you to take it further. Tools like Informational Interviewing can
be invaluable when you combine what you learn on Science Careers with your
own res... 阅读全帖 |
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发帖数: 1 | 28 LZ的背景，活生生的可以转data scientist
我自己跟LZ很像，也是在web lab生物信息，在转data scientist。
我不敢对你的选择做出任何建议，因为每个人情况不同。
我就说一下我知道的美国的情况：
搞生物信息的，极少搞算法，大部分就是用现成package分析生物数据
1. 最牛的比如斯坦福做生物信息算法的PhD，都去google了。这些人本质都是CS phd
2. 其次就是转行去做SDE或者data scientist；生物信息本身就是生物医学领域的data
scientist；无非就是python+statistics+big data经验+machine learning。你随便
包装下你自己就可以了，当然前提是你自己要牛，coding能力强，数学好。当然了，DS
工作远不如SDE好找，所以很多人（包括我自己），在转行data scientist的同时，或
者做上了DS之后，也在考虑SDE。。。但毕竟，跟生物信息最对口的是data scientsit
能转成DS/SDE，那就算彻底摆脱B-I-O三个字母了，而且是进入IT业了，人生光明了
3. 再次就是去i... 阅读全帖 |
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r**********e
发帖数: 587 | 29 我知道的生物信息，一种是在academia做分析；一种是去industry
我的问题是，生信找工流程和benchwork以及纯IT有多大差别？
比如纯生物benchwork找postdoc，就看老板牛不牛，文章如何，面试就走个过场。属于
“暗箱操作”
而纯IT找工作，都是网上直接投简历，或者找人内推；然后需要不停OA，面试
所以我就不知道，生物信息招聘到底是更像benchwork，还是更像IT呢？
还是academia和industry招工游戏规则不同？ |
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b*******0
发帖数: 125 | 30 http://science.sciencemag.org/content/357/6346/102
Reprogramming my career
As I stood at the whiteboard with a marker in my hand and a five-person
interview panel of industry experts watching me, I realized I had no idea
how to perform the “simple” coding required to solve the question that was
asked. I was about to be exposed as a fraud. What had ever made me think
that I would be able to transition from medical research to data science?
That was 6 months ago. Even though that initial interview... 阅读全帖 |
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g*********e
发帖数: 150 | 31 Isaiah Hankel, Ph.D.Founder & CEO of Cheeky Scientist | PhD | Bestselling
Author | Team Leader
1d
If you have a PhD, don't be fooled by National Postdoc Appreciation Week.
Postdocs don't merely need appreciation, they need to be paid what they are
worth.
Unfortunately, this week has become nothing more than a way for
organizations to hide the fact that they have no solution for the postdoc
crises in academia, and that they are unwilling to pay postdocs what they
are worth.
The NIH’s suggested 20... 阅读全帖 |
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s*****w
发帖数: 2065 | 32 看能力，看背景，看运气
说不清楚难不难
不过如果你不想去academia，我是觉得没有必要phd啦
学校一般都会假设你读phd就是为了当教授的，即使你别有他想，申请的时候也一定要
说服自己相信academia，否则看起来不真诚很难被接收的 |
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t*******2
发帖数: 87 | 33 Recovering From Postdoc MistakesBy Alaina Levine
March 18, 2011
“It is vitally important for postdocs to be aggressive and take charge of
their careers.”
"The best thing you can do in a postdoc is to do things that you enjoy,"
urges Doon Gibbs, deputy director for science and technology at Brookhaven
National Laboratory, who has overseen the supervision of many postdocs over
25 years. Ensure those tasks are noticeable, such as publishing papers and
presenting at conferences, he adds. But possess... 阅读全帖 |
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S*****n
发帖数: 6055 | 34 we do useful stuff
good researchers in academia do eye-catching stuff
average researchers in academia do easy stuff |
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A******y
发帖数: 2041 | 35 Imatinib is from high throughput screening library. However, if you ask Dr.
Druker, he will tell you it is rationally designed, muhahaha. Yea, it is a
semi-screening effort and a lot of luck.
Btw, if you are in academia and try to write a HTPS grant, good luck to you.
This also apply to other efforts such as combi-chem and computational etc.
And if you are not in the academia, you better hope your collection is
private and is not in the public domain or element of composition patent is
har... 阅读全帖 |
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I***A
发帖数: 444 | 36 Wolf Prize in Chemistry for Chi-Huey Wong
The Wolf Foundation awards annual prizes of
$100 000 in five or six fields in the arts and sciences.
Chi-HueyWong (Academia Sinica and The Scripps
Research Institute, La Jolla) has been announced
as the winner of the 2014 Wolf Prize in Chemistry.
Wong studied at Taiwan National University, and
worked with George Whitesides at the Massachusetts
Institute of Technology for his PhD (awarded
in 1982). After postdoctoral research with Whitesides
after his mov... 阅读全帖 |
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h****o
发帖数: 343 | 37 多谢回复，关于移民与非移民倾向，你回答得很具体，基本也和我的想法一致，不过码
了这么多字，表示感谢！
关于job offer，不知道postdoc算不算是一个工作，如果算，那我争取申请一个，不过
年龄大了，一直在工业界，转academia估计也比较难。到不是自己怕难，作为life-lon
g learner，我是没问题，不过老板们很难相信我这个年龄还能转向，从industrial ci
rcle转到academia，而且这10年间也没有paper。
另外我走领馆程序，不提交485。但要提交一大堆别的原件:-(
最感激是对postdoc的提出，选择多了一条路。最近一直只在monster, careerbuilder,
indeed找工业界的工作，没一个反馈。postdoc这个新思路相当赞。 |
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h****o
发帖数: 343 | 38 多谢回复，关于移民与非移民倾向，你回答得很具体，基本也和我的想法一致，不过码
了这么多字，表示感谢！
关于job offer，不知道postdoc算不算是一个工作，如果算，那我争取申请一个，不过
年龄大了，一直在工业界，转academia估计也比较难。到不是自己怕难，作为life-lon
g learner，我是没问题，不过老板们很难相信我这个年龄还能转向，从industrial ci
rcle转到academia，而且这10年间也没有paper。
另外我走领馆程序，不提交485。但要提交一大堆别的原件:-(
最感激是对postdoc的提出，选择多了一条路。最近一直只在monster, careerbuilder,
indeed找工业界的工作，没一个反馈。postdoc这个新思路相当赞。 |
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t****a
发帖数: 144 | 39 一点个人看法：
如果去academia，毕业论文做啥就是啥相关的，变换的可能性很小。一旦lock in，至少
在找工作的问题上变换余地很小。至于faculty之后换领域，这就很难说了，不少大牛都
身兼若干领域。
如果去industry，当前领域对以后没啥影响。当然，也有听说industry喜欢招某几个领
域的，宏观相传是一个。偶也听说，总的来说，即使在academia宏观的找工作也相对容
易——或许只是讹传，不妨找懂行的人问问
至于某宏观教授对中国有意见，不妨搞明白是什么意见——是感情上的不喜欢，还是针
对一些政策有异见。前者没啥办法，后者则有讨论的余地。
供参考~~
Keynesian
情。 |
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p***s
发帖数: 16 | 40
Agreed. But so what? We are talking about '学术', not industry, right?
not
Regardless of my view of these two points, the truth is, Mamagement Science
and Operations Research are the leading journals and the default 'rulers' for
OM in academia, and it is unlikely to change in the near future. Those who
disagree with these rules of the game may just have to make a living outside
academia, at least for B-school in States. |
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m*********7
发帖数: 343 | 41 最看不过去这号落井下石的主，这位可乐的lg做research牛，也不用在别人失意的时候拿出来显摆吧。research又不是打网游，没做过的人开始都会有摸不着
头绪，提不起精神这道坎，过去就是了。商学院是academia oriented，尤其得难，finance，accounting很难发文章的，3，4年又一篇就不错了，我知道有accounting的phd没有paper上market，一样找到还可以的学校。finance的phd，就算不做faculty，industry一样有很多职位，accounting少点，但也是有的，而且这两个专业phd和master将来在事业的发展上差得不是一星半点，lz已经念了3年了，还是应该想办法和系里磨磨，坚持一下，把degree拿到，千万不要一时意气用世。等拿到了degree，反正也lz也不喜欢academia，就算教授不refer，自己去industry闯就是了。
到很不错
个project。他的系虽然比较好发文章，但是他是纯理论方向的，fresh graduate有这
种成果很不错了，他就一直想走academic方向，非常enjoy researc |
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e*********e
发帖数: 243 | 42 dyiwang. are you going to academia? I guess you never was set on academia |
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e*********e
发帖数: 243 | 43 dyiwang. are you going to academia? I guess you never was set on academia |
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k***g
发帖数: 7244 | 44 如果想申请 investment bank 的 full-time 职位，现在就该投简历了，虽然很多银行
都 hiring freeze，但是对于 entry-level (Ph.D. 毕业是 associate level）有一些
其实今年还在扩招；
一般的 economic research 职位，只要对宏观有所了解，计量过硬就行了，金融方面
的知识没有太多的要求，因为金融 industry 的发展比 academia 的速度快（或者说方
向不一样，academia 纠结的问题和 industry 不一样），都是去了再学的，economic
research 一般都是给投行的 clients （譬如大的 hedge fund，pension fund）提供
建议的，所以用的东西其实不是太复杂，略微夸张的说，一般 OLS 就够了 （找一份高
盛或者DB给 clients 的 monthly 或者 quarterly publication 看一下，你就明白了）
如果做 sales and trading，看具体做什么，如果计量很强的话，一般作
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f*****0
发帖数: 489 | 45
it is more of a life style choice:
if you want a relaxed life style, go phd / academia.
if you want to make more money, don't.
I do think the quality of life is so much better in academia. |
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a****l
发帖数: 8211 | 46 this really depends on your area. I actually talked with a number of people
in start-ups in this area, and the things they are most interested in are
not the things most academia research is focused on, and the things academia
likes are the things they don't think will help much. |
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y***n
发帖数: 912 | 47 "感觉环境的一般来说是三种可能性: 1. academia; 2. industry; 3. government"????
How about consulting world? That's where 90% of the job opportunities comes
from!
Academia? If you're really good, that's one way out.
Industry? Much less openings, 门槛更高, 开遇不可求.
Government? Maybe doing a post-doc there is possible, but permanent job? 基
本上想也别想! |
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q*n
发帖数: 1203 | 48 The difference is academic life allows much more fexibility
and freedom. I agree politics is big in academia, and funding is
always a major conern. But even for a junior faculty memember, he/she
doesn't have a supervisor to report daily. The relations between
him/her and other profs are peers/colleagues intead of the
hierachical systems in big companies.
at least, that's my reason to favor academia.
and, i don't mind to be mediocre as long as I am a free soul with
decent income. :) |
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I****4
发帖数: 128 | 49 大家好，我刚来美国半年，现在在biomed专业读phd一年级。其实不讨厌做实验，但是
感觉自己在idea方面不强，对走academia这条路没有很强的信心。另外很现实的原因是
如果走academia，postdoc至少做5年，收入太少，不能满足自己想要的生活。所以最近
在以后的出路上想得很多，也看了版上很多前辈的经验总结，想就IP lawyer这条路请
教一下大家
有以下几种选择
一是读完phd，进IP Firm做technology specialist，以后再读JD。针对这条路想问一
下，IP firm招biomed fresh phd的opening多吗？另外和phd期间研究的方向有影响吗
？是不是疾病、cancer等相关的方向比较好？招人有什么标准吗？phd期间的
publication和GPA有很大影响吗？
二是拿了master就找IP firm的工作。这条路感觉时间短些，但是不知道做IP law是不
是phd更有优势？补充一下自己的情况，我目前的学校biomed是top 3，也是ivy league
（不是想showoff，主要想尽量多说一下自己的情况，以便得到比较好的建议 |
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m*******r
发帖数: 481 | 50 Any China's top schools, Non-T&B in Beijing, can come up with a long list of
so called "Niu Ren", academia, industry, wall street, you name it. As far
as I know, for industry influence, SJTU and Zhejiang U are at least not
lower than T & B. For wall street, how about USTC? Academia, USTC and Fudan
are both comparable to T&B. Certainly it is not easy to go to T&B. It needs
very high scores gauged with one test. That does not mean anything here in
US, does it? |
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