l*****a
发帖数: 38403 | 1 Q1. How would you define “atheism”?
Satanism, devil-worship, false, Godless, infidels, idiotic, Hell-bound,
unethical, evil…there are many words I could
use. Atheists are evil wicked people with no morals who deserve Hell more
than any murderer or rapist!
Q2. Was your upbringing religious? If so, what tradition?
Naturally. I was born a Baptist Christian and still follow our Lord Jesus
Christ today. As a child I attended church
every Sunday, and as I grew older I was born again and began to parti... 阅读全帖 |
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发帖数: 226 | 3 I think eventually they would not conflict,
any conflicts between science and religion is
a result of our weakness.
Just like science can not explain every thing,
religion can not explain everything either,
but this does not and should not stop people
from believing in something.
The conclusion that evolution is totally
contradicting the bible can not be a whole,
water tight, end of the day argument.
But as Einstein said, there must be a historic
Jesus, and his behaviors are luminous.
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发帖数: 6042 | 4 【 以下文字转载自 Belief 讨论区 】
发信人: theisland (the island), 信区: Belief
标 题: Scientist alleges religious discrimination in Ky. (ZT)
发信站: BBS 未名空间站 (Fri Dec 17 13:38:07 2010, 美东)
Scientist alleges religious discrimination in Ky.
LOUISVILLE, Ky. – An astronomer argues that his Christian faith and his
peers' belief that he is an evolution skeptic kept him from getting a
prestigious job as the director of a new student observatory at the
University of Kentucky.
Martin Gaskell quickly rose to the top of a li... 阅读全帖 |
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D*****r
发帖数: 6791 | 5 The Relativity of Biblical Ethics
by Joe Edward Barnhart (1988)
It is an axiom among fundamentalists and evangelicals that theology is the
foundation of ethics and morality in North America culture. Without this
foundation, they fear, ethics would fragment into total relativism of
dissolve into whim, arbitrariness, and chaos. I would like to contest that
view by showing how some organized religions are parasitical to the body of
ethics and how the Bible itself exemplifies moral relativism.
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E*****m
发帖数: 25615 | 6 你舉夾耳蚊多麼可惡殘忍野蠻無理來勸基督徒別信， 這是完全沒用的。
基督徒根本不在乎什麼可惡殘忍野蠻無理，只要他們相信那是神的旨意，
他們只會歡喜讚頌而已，有良知小部份的會說那是神的奧祕，死了以後
耶穌會講給他們懂。
你真的要反夾耳蚊，要能說出夾耳蚊跟聖經是不合的， 可惜這也是辦不到
的， 聖經很多字， 想要相信什麼都找得到根據，人家連抹油都能找到
理由不做了，還有什麼會有效？
反夾耳蚊不反基督教是沒用的。 西方世界 New Atheism 火火熱熱的
成績不錯， 還沒看過你這種反法的。 |
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E*****m
发帖数: 25615 | 8 譯者註： 無神論(atheism) 是 "不相信有神" (not believe)， 是缺乏對神存在的信
仰， 不見得是積極性的否定神的存在， 就好像我們對三億光年外的某顆星是否有行星
一樣， 缺乏對存在的信仰。 本文作者的主張是"相信沒有神"， 這是一個積極去否定
神存在的信念。 NPR 出的題目是"This I believe"， 特別要求作者不可以寫他不相
信的事情， 不能寫"我不相信有神" 這種題目， 所以作者就更直接的寫他相信沒有神
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E*****m
发帖数: 25615 | 9 after consuming the food, the lady had non-stop
diarrhea for 3 whole days。 Then the atheist gave up
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l*****a
发帖数: 38403 | 10 【 以下文字转载自 Belief 讨论区 】
发信人: leonana (leonany), 信区: Belief
标 题: How to Persuade an Atheist to Become Christian
发信站: BBS 未名空间站 (Mon Jun 6 03:26:43 2011, 美东)
Steps
1
Know your own reasons for doing this. Are you trying to convert them
because their atheism makes you uncomfortable with your own faith, or
makes you angry? Well, first consider how important your religion is to
you.
2
Imagine exactly how they feel about their beliefs. They hold them as
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x****g
发帖数: 4008 | 18 Thanks for sharing
family
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D*****r
发帖数: 6791 | 19 Atheism leaves a man to sense, to philosophy, to natural piety, to laws, to
reputation, all which may be guides to an outward moral virtue, though
religion were not, but superstition dismounts all these, and erecteth an
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B******7
发帖数: 883 | 20 本来想在网上找那个有名的基督徒老夫妇画像的，却看到这篇文章， 文中提到在没有
诚的基础之上所谓善的问题， 还是有些道理的。
经常看到板上辩论中， 有些基督徒在“诚”这个字上有所欠缺， 当然可以理解他们认
为神的“指示”高于一切，因此在面对最基本的良心判断跟神的“话语”有矛盾时，
通常是按奈住自己的良心，而通过不断重复喊圣经口号也教条来掩盖和压制内在以及外
来的不同声音的。
康德的“善人”与儒家的“君子”
作者：谢文郁（山东大学犹太教与跨宗教研究中心）
康德使用如下语言批评基督教恩典概念：“人或者因为这样的信念而洋洋得意，即：他
不必自己成为一个善人，上帝也能让他拥有永恒幸福（通过免除他的罪）；或者，如果
这样不行，那么，他最多不过是提出要求，上帝就能使他成为一个善人。”[1]康德这
里提出了一个“善人”（besser Mann, 英译better man，亦可译为“更善的人”）概
念。在语境上，康德《仅论理性限度内的宗教》一书遇到了所谓的“根本恶”问题，即
：人在生活中采纳了一种恶的行为规范，并把它奉为道德规范而加以遵守。对于这个人
，他越是严格遵守这一“道德”规范，他就越恶。一个生活... 阅读全帖 |
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发帖数: 151 | 21 基督教教会的历史是用其教义中意义最黑暗的那种特殊汁液写就的。
汉斯·沃尔施雷戈，德国当代著名作家、翻译家
以下所罗列的，仅仅是由教会权威命令的或参与的、以及在基督教的名义下发生的事件
，远远谈不上详尽完整。
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古代的异教
公元315年（应为311年——乡下人注），帝国谕令刚刚宣布基督教在罗马帝国为合法，
教徒们就开始摧毁异教的庙宇、打死异教的祭司。
公元311年到公元6世纪，被基督徒打死的异教徒数以千计。
被基督徒摧毁的神庙包括：Aegaea 的 Aeskulap 圣殿，Golgatha 的阿弗罗迪忒庙，黎
巴嫩的 Aphaka，太阳神庙。
有的基督教神父，比如Arethusa的马库斯或埃及太阳城的居里尔，甚至以“神庙摧毁者
”而闻名。[DA 468]
从公元356年开始，行异教礼拜属于死罪。[DA 468]
基督徒皇帝 Theodosius (408-450) 甚至下令处死拿异教雕像残片玩耍的儿童。[DA
469]
据基督教史家记载，他“很尽心地遵守任何基督教教义的教诲……”
公元六世纪，异教徒被宣布为不受法律保护的。
四世纪早期，在基督教神父的鼓动下，哲学家 ... 阅读全帖 |
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R*o
发帖数: 3781 | 22 G. Contribution of the Passage to Systematic Theology
This passage contributes in numerous ways to systematic theology. First, our
understanding of bibliology or more specifically, revelation (i.e., the stu
dy of how God makes himself known) is greatly enhanced by this passage. Here
in Romans 1:18-20 Paul does not appeal to inscripturated truth per se (i.e.
, truth revealed in the pages of the OT), but rather to the continual revela
tion of God in and through creation and in his wrath against si... 阅读全帖 |
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R*o
发帖数: 3781 | 23 G. Contribution of the Passage to Systematic Theology
This passage contributes in numerous ways to systematic theology. First, our
understanding of bibliology or more specifically, revelation (i.e., the stu
dy of how God makes himself known) is greatly enhanced by this passage. Here
in Romans 1:18-20 Paul does not appeal to inscripturated truth per se (i.e.
, truth revealed in the pages of the OT), but rather to the continual revela
tion of God in and through creation and in his wrath against si... 阅读全帖 |
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C****i
发帖数: 1776 | 24 第三课
论神
━━伟大的设计家
一、序言
多年前先知但以理曾说：“惟独认识神的子民，必刚强行事”（11:32），这句话在他与
其三友的生平中不鲜凡例，诚如英国名神学家柏克博士（J. I. Packer）在其精着“认
识神”（Knowing God）一书内论但以理时称：1)认识神者必有极多精力为神作工；2)认
识神者必常想念神；3)认识神者必勇敢为神而活；4)认识神者必以神为人生之满足〔注
1〕，是以认识神为所有属神者不可忽略的功课，如何西阿先知呼叫：“我们务要认识神
，竭力追求认识他。”（6:3）
二、有关神存在的理论
历世历代不少人对神的存在采取不同的臆测，既然出发点来自人方面，这亦指出人性先
天固有的宗教感，虽然所循找的路线各自不同，但人性内的“向神意识”是一件不能否
认的事实。下面略述各人对论神的“认识”：
1.无神论（Atheism）
无神论虽是否认神存在的一种定论，但它却非盲目地加以否认，此论先是一种对传统证
实神存在各论据所表示的不满，进而干脆否决了神的存在。无神论亦分四派: 1)传统派
（traditional）━━认为神从来没有存在（如沙特）; 2)神话派（mythol... 阅读全帖 |
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R*o
发帖数: 3781 | 25 Study By: Greg Herrick
A. Introduction
James Montgomery Boice comments on a Bible tract prepared by some atheists:
“Quite a few years ago a society for the spread of atheism prepared a tract
containing half a dozen sketches of Old Testament characters combined with
a lurid description of their misdeeds. No efforts were spared in describing
their sin. One figure was Abraham. The leaflet pointed out that he was willi
ng to sacrifice his wife's honor to save his own life. Yet he was called “t
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发帖数: 3781 | 26 Study By: Greg Herrick
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A. Introduction
In his book, Kingdoms in Conflict, Charles Colson paints a dismal picture of
the state of commitment to God at the UN building complex in New York:
The United Nations complex sits on sixteen acres of New York City’s choices
t real estate, bordering the East River and Manhattan. The lean, immense Sec
retariat building rises into the sky, the sun reflecting off its window wall
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l**********t
发帖数: 5754 | 27 this is a key question to those who mistakenly use "教科书" as the excuse
for atheism belief. 戳了非基督徒的痛處 |
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l*****a
发帖数: 38403 | 28 Is Atheism a Belief?
Author:
David Nicholls
It is reasonably common for religious persons and others to class Atheists
as those that have a "belief" system. It is taken for granted that the
Atheist's "belief" system is somewhat different from a "belief" in the
supernatural and sundry. Proponents of such loose use of the language would
wish to bring Atheists down to their level of accepting un-evidenced dogma.
They then "reason" that it is far better to have a "belief" in that which
has some perc... 阅读全帖 |
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E*****m
发帖数: 25615 | 29
你好歹知道一下 atheism 是 lack of belief in theism.
我問你，禿頭是不是髮型？ 透明是不是顏色？ 不集郵是不是嗜好？
不信一些不靠譜的東西需要什麼belief? 你不信李大師是一種信仰嗎？ |
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发帖数: 1334 | 30 Atheism 是相信没有神，lack of belief in theism是非有神论，包括无神论、怀疑论
、从来没有想过这问题等等，看星相的也可能信命不信神。这么多不同想法不能都归为
无神论。你要说非有神论不是一种信念，那我同意，因为里面实在包括太多不同东西。 |
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发帖数: 1334 | 32 Wiki说的跟我的意见是相符合的，一开始就指出atheism有不同的含义，我们讨论这篇
文章是在有意混淆这几个不同的含义，是一种狡辩术。
非有神论的英文，用wiki的话来说，就是absence of the belief that any deities
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E*****m
发帖数: 25615 | 33
你要是知道 atheism 的幾個含義， 你應該知道人家用的是哪一個，
是你故意用不同的定義來批評，狡辯的是你。
你要人相信英文沒有一個單詞是『非有神論』？ 你自己相信嗎？ |
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发帖数: 1891 | 35 Well. you need to make your choice in regard of faith. Atheism is also a
choice. That is also called free will. If people can prove some faith is
better than other systems by our logic or reasoning, that is not faith.
I can provide what I think are reasonable. But you yourself make your own
decision. That is the beauty of faith:) Everybody has free will and is
responsible for his/her own choice. God or life is fair, you know.
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发帖数: 38403 | 37 Kanazawa et al. Why Liberals and Atheists Are More Intelligent. Social
Psychology Quarterly March 2010 vol. 73 no. 1 33-57
ScienceDaily (Feb. 24, 2010)
More intelligent people are statistically significantly more likely to
exhibit social values and religious and political preferences that are novel
to the human species in evolutionary history. Specifically, liberalism and
atheism, and for men (but not women), preference for sexual exclusivity
correlate with higher intelligence, a new study find... 阅读全帖 |
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E*****m
发帖数: 25615 | 38 在美國，現在的情勢是天主教被大家分食， 摩門，非基是淨增長， 整個
基督教的趨勢是向下滑的。
在歐洲， 尤其是北歐，基督教已經無關緊要了。
reddit 的 atheism 版經常有歐洲人學了許多跟基督徒辯論的招式，卻找不到基督徒可
以辯論，
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发帖数: 1175 | 40 的确有基督教徒反对干细胞研究，但反对的是人类胚胎干细胞研究
-----赞一个（我发包子给你）咱不能一边享受科学带来的成果；一边极力反对，最后
，看大势已去，干脆黑白颠倒，玩文字游戏把科学成果和圣经挂上，把自己洗成伟光正。
据我知道，用于干细胞研究的人类胚胎的来源之一就是来自流产诊所，即使不用于研究
，最后也会丢掉。如果说“主要认为一旦形成胚胎，就已经是人了，终止人类胚胎的生
长发育就是终止人的生命”，那下面的数据说明什么，为什么总是双重标准
"Christian Abortion Rate as High as National Average; Catholic Rate is
Higher
The study concludes that in the year 2000, Christians had approximately 570,
000 abortions. Within the Christian segment, Catholics were found to have
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m****a
发帖数: 9485 | 42
呵呵，不知内情的人看了，的确好笑，可是，他跟其他人犯了同一个错误--就是
misrepresenting other people's religions belief.
There is baptism for the dead, all that does is allow the baptized person to
exercise their free will to join the church, it does NOT make them a church
member. It allows unbaptized dead to take advantage of the atonement, if
they choose to.
拿这个录像的例子，罗姆尼的岳父在灵的世界，可以选择信耶稣，也可以选择不信，继
续保持他原来的信仰状态，两种情况都有可能发生---因为他有神赐的选择权。 |
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发帖数: 25615 | 44 HA! HA!
I call the Mormon spirit to leave your body fuck alone. |
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D*****r
发帖数: 6791 | 45 But that's creepy. If you want the dead to exercise their free will, just
leave them alone, don't force them to participate your creepy tradition.
如果有裸体主义者非要给死人搞个什么全裸的洗礼一样很讨人烦，虽说裸了之后可以选
择把衣服再穿上，但是扒光死人衣服仍然很讨人烦。
这是强制促销，明明是在干预死人的自由，强迫他们做生前反对和不想做的事情。
还有，Bill Maher哪里misrepresent什么了？他只是说Edward Davies被按照摩门传统
洗了，没说洗成摩门教徒啊，你好像是树了个稻草人来打。
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发帖数: 6791 | 48 的确有意思，尤其是对犹太教和伊斯兰教的采访很新鲜，我了解不多。 |
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发帖数: 6791 | 50 看起来很有意思。我已经很久没看这么有现代感的书了。纪录片除了你介绍的这个
religulous我还是看得少，净看电影电视了。
我一时真想不起来啥好玩的。我最近是才意识到浮士德有点反脱宗教束缚追求真理和知
识的这种背景，打算看完浮士德。（第二部的宫廷背景太社会化，我之前看不下去）
其他的也是些古典的书，Ayn Rand的Atlas Shrugged、梭罗的walden、继续看几本
bible里的书什么的……
以前看的也是fictional的偏多JM Coetzee写的什么的。non-fictioanl的很少。
再之前倒是看过一些，The Oxford Book of Modern Science Writing，还有更早时候
看的科普。
剩下的都是TED上看点短平快的。
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