l****g
发帖数: 476 | 1 原文摘抄如下：
Mark16:16-18
Whoever believes and is baptized will be saved, but whoever does not believe
will be condemned.And these signs will accompany those who believe: In my
name they will drive out demons; they will speak in new tongues; they will
pick up snakes with their hands; and when they drink deadly poison, it will
not hurt them at all; they will place their hands on sick people, and they
will get well.
试问哪位大虾能作到？不要说是analogy，因为那是作为人性的您在揣度圣义 |
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l****g
发帖数: 476 | 2 Mark16:16-18
Whoever believes and is baptized will be saved, but whoever does not believe
will be condemned.And these signs will accompany those who believe: In my
name they will drive out demons; they will speak in new tongues; they will
pick up snakes with their hands; and when they drink deadly poison, it will
not hurt them at all; they will place their hands on sick people, and they
will get well.
原文也写得很清楚，如何理解呢？ |
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f***5
发帖数: 1569 | 3 yes. I think if she loves me enough, she will be baptized no matter she
believes or not. btw, she believed in Jesus after we get married 1 month,
although I never try to persuade her. Since before we get married, she has
occur some barriers, I told her to pray to Jesus. She tried, and God make
everything smooth for us, then she believed. |
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f***5
发帖数: 1569 | 4 I think if the couples love each other enough, the non-believer will
baptized no matter he believe or not |
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f***5
发帖数: 1569 | 5 i think as long as u are baptized , u r a Christian |
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E*****m
发帖数: 25615 | 6 Babies are baptized everyday. This is a fact. Agree? |
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G******e
发帖数: 9567 | 8 http://www.rlhymersjr.com/Online_Sermons/11-24-02AM_ThanksgivingInChina.html
Then in 1807 Christianity was introduced to China a third time, when the
British missionary Robert Morrison reached Macao and translated the Bible
into Chinese. He baptized one Chinese convert before his death in 1834.
Eight years later the Treaty of Nanjing of 1842 allowed foreign missionaries
to freely enter China. Preaching from Morrison's Chinese translation of the
Bible, the missionaries began to see numbers of con |
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q********1
发帖数: 1521 | 9 先放一下，稍候扩展，交代前因后果。
Mar 16:15 And he said unto them, Go ye into all the world,
and preach the gospel to the whole creation.
Mar 16:16 He that believeth and is baptized shall be saved;
but he that disbelieveth shall be condemned.
Mar 16:17 And these signs shall accompany them that believe:
in my name shall they cast out demons; they shall
speak with new tongues;
Mar 16:18 they shall take up serpents, and if they drink any
deadly thing, it s |
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E*****m
发帖数: 25615 | 10 http://gizmodo.com/5590028/atheists-latest-gadget-the-hairdryer
Atheists' Latest Gadget: The Hairdryer
Atheists' Latest Gadget: The HairdryerWhat does an atheist do when they're
trying to prove a point and "de-baptize" non-believers? Why, use a hairdryer
of course, as Edwin Kagin has done with a "flock" of atheists at this year'
s American Atheists Convention in New Jersey.
Kagin, no stranger to provocative speeches against religion (pictured), uses
his "Reason and Truth" hairdryer to dry off th |
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e*****n
发帖数: 3129 | 11 摘自J.M. Coetzee: Boyhood
The greatest secret of his school life, the secret he tells no one at
home, is that he has become a Roman Catholic, that for all practical
purposes he 'is' a Roman Catholic.
The topic is difficult to raise at home because their family 'is'
nothing. They are of course South Africans, but even South Africanness
is faintly embarrassing, and therefore not talked about, since not
everyone who lives in South Africa is a South African, or not a proper
South African.
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m****a
发帖数: 9485 | 12 http://www.mormonconverts.com/Jewish/This-Stuff-Is-Too-Brillian
Former Member Of Jewish Faith--conversion story
By Richard Cohen
I grew up Jewish. My family was not observant religiously, in fact, my
parents didn't even believe in God. But I did; until the day after my father
suddenly died.
I was just turning thirteen, and I stood in my room and angrily said out
loud, "There couldn't be a God if he would do this to me: Take away my Dad
forever !"
For the next seven years, I struggled on and off... 阅读全帖 |
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E*****m
发帖数: 25615 | 13 這就是溫和基督徒的可惡之處, 他們自己倒未必
有害自己或他人, 可是他們就是極端教徒的
human shield， 幫著極品擋住批評。
http://www.beliefnet.com/Faiths/Secular-Philosophies/The-Proble
The Problem with Religious Moderates
We can no longer afford the luxury of political correctness. When religion
causes violence, its root claims must be challenged.
BY: Sam Harris
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Reprinted from The End of Faith: Religion, Terror, and the Future of Reason
with permission of W.W. Norton & Company, Inc.
People of faith fall on a continuum: som... 阅读全帖 |
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m****r
发帖数: 1904 | 14 Life-force, or spirit, is impersonal. As noted, the Scriptures refer to the
ru′ach, or life-force, as being not only in humans but also in animals. (Ge
6:17; 7:15, 22) Ecclesiastes 3:18-22 shows that man dies in the same manner
as the beasts, for “they all have but one spirit [weru′ach], so that
there is no superiority of the man over the beast,” that is, as to the life
-force common to both. This being so, it is clear that the “spirit,” or
life-force (ru′ach), as used in this sense is impersona... 阅读全帖 |
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s****y
发帖数: 1574 | 15 摩门这个baptism for the dead的问题我以前还真研究过。因为我个人认为家谱和族谱
很重要，所以觉得他们这么做也是有积极意义的。有个摩门朋友说自己去台湾传教的时
候，曾花很多时间踩着脚踏车在乡间专门收集族谱和家谱。他们把这些谱系资料做成微
缩胶片备份，藏在Uath的岩石洞里，据说连核弹辐射都不怕。另外摩门有很多教徒在
CIA工作，不知道这些东东除了宗教之外，是否还有别的用途？
虽然我认同家谱的意义，但是摩门教会硬称自己是“地球上唯一有权柄给死人进行洗礼
的教会“，可谓司马昭之心，让很多新教和天主教牧师非常不爽。更别说他们还把很多
大主教也给洗了，咔咔。比如这个天主教牧师的反驳就很有力： http://www.catholic.com/tracts/mormonisms-baptism-for-the-dead
记得有个摩门邻居还跟我说过，她都能真切感觉到她过世的亲人的灵魂有多高兴，因为
"She has waited there for such a long time...she was so eager to be baptized
." 原来人间与冥界还有这样一种联... 阅读全帖 |
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E*****m
发帖数: 25615 | 16 你看一下我開的另個主題， myelsa 前言不對後語的。
她心目中的神是個不知變通，注重儀式和程序的古板官僚，真有趣。
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p*****t
发帖数: 3693 | 17 Mitt Romney有一次接受采访时被问及他是否做过帮死人受洗的事情，他马上显得非常
紧张，含糊的说以前做过一点，但已经很久没这么干了，就好像别人是在问他有没有吸
过毒一样。可见他也知道这在旁人眼中很creepy.
baptized |
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m****a
发帖数: 9485 | 18 Many of our progenitors, now in the spirit world, never saw the face of an
apostle, prophet or inspired man, and they are shut up in prison. Joseph
Smith, Heber Kimball, George A. Smith and thousands of the elders of Israel
may preach to those spirits, and they may receive the testimonies which the
elders bear; but the elders will not baptize believers there; there is no
baptism in the spirit world.
Some person or persons dwelling in the flesh must attend to this part of the
work for them; for i... 阅读全帖 |
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m****a
发帖数: 9485 | 19 The doctrine that the living can provide baptism and other essential
ordinances to the dead vicariously was revealed anew to the Prophet Joseph
Smith (see D&C 124; 128; 132). He learned that the spirits awaiting
resurrection are offered not only individual salvation but they can be bound
in heaven as husband and wife and be sealed to their fathers and mothers of
all generations past and have sealed to them their children of all
generations future. The Lord instructed the Prophet that these sacre... 阅读全帖 |
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m****a
发帖数: 9485 | 20 Freeing the Dead from Prison
The vicarious ordinances we perform in temples, beginning with baptism, make
possible an eternal welding link between generations that fulfills the
purpose of the earth’s creation. Indeed, without these ordinances, “the
whole earth would be utterly wasted at [Christ’s] coming” (D&C 2:3).
Our charge extends as far and as deep as the love of God to encompass His
children of every time and place. Our efforts on behalf of the dead bear
eloquent witness that Jesus Christ ... 阅读全帖 |
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m****a
发帖数: 9485 | 21 http://www.mormonnewsroom.org/article/mormons-italy-rejoice-chu
More than 150 years since the first Italian Latter-day Saints were baptized,
and after decades-long efforts and negotiations, the Italian government has
granted The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints (Mormon) official
status as a church and “partner of the state.” As Maurizio Ventura,
president of the Pisa congregation, explained, “The intesa is a fulfillment
of a long-awaited blessing.” This legal status gives the Church g... 阅读全帖 |
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m****a
发帖数: 9485 | 22 a Mormon blog about this show,here is what we believe part
----THANK YOU BRIAN WILLIAMS
FROM MORMONS IN AMERICA
http://thefamily.com/2012/08/24/thank-you-brian-williams-mormon
We are God’s Children. We believe we lived before as spirit children of
God and then came to this world via “birth” to get a physical body and
that we ALL will live again after this life. We believe in the Ten
Commandments and NOT as the ‘Ten Suggestions’ and follow a living Prophet
of God just as in olden times. We bel... 阅读全帖 |
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d******0
发帖数: 1598 | 23 II 香槟
要说香槟这个地方，还真他妈不赖。街道虽窄小，但车少，又干净。经常有松鼠窜来窜
去，道路两侧还有火红的枫叶树。
当然啦，这边的中西部口音让我很受不了，更让当地人看起来有些呆头呆脑。
Tony照例会找一个当地的兄弟来照看我。这回的老兄很年轻，白白净净，斯斯文文，像
个大学生。最关键的是，他一张嘴就是波士顿的龙虾味儿。
Simone是么？Henry。Welcome to Champaign！
倘若他坐在某个大学的图书馆里，即使是FBI，也绝不会想到他竟是整个伊州南部drug
买卖的负责人。
Henry预先帮我找了个两居室的house，虽然不带游泳池，但毕竟后面还有个小院。房租
都已付齐。他问我车子是要Benz还是Cadillac。我说当然是fucking Cadillac。
Can I have a gun?
Well, I don’t know. Tony didn’t say anything like that.
他妈的，这小子反应倒是不慢。
除了Henry，感恩节之前，我认识了一位长相漂亮的年轻人。他刚从南方的某个神学院
毕业，目前是位见习神父。
他的church离我的h... 阅读全帖 |
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w***y
发帖数: 377 | 24
的体系，就是嘛！）
XXXX不用先感叹，你回头看看你解的经，看看你把angels当God的那些经文，是不是该
用惨不忍睹来形容？你有多少经是这样解出来的？
XXXX这还不算是支持三位一体的经文，不过你可以回答一下这个问题：马太28：19 分
明是三位，为什么只用一个名？注意name用的是单数。
NET Therefore go and make disciples of all nations, baptizing them in the
name of the Father and the Son and the Holy Spirit,
NIV
Therefore go and make disciples of all nations, baptising them in the name
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发帖数: 377 | 25 Therefore go and make disciples of all nations, baptizing them in[a] the
name of the Father and of the Son and of the Holy Spirit, and teaching them
to obey everything I have commanded you. And surely I am with you always, to
the very end of the age."
Footnotes:
a. Matthew 28:19 Or into; see Acts 8:16; 19:5; Romans 6:3; 1 Cor. 1:13; 10:2
and Gal. 3:27
如果in 和into在这里是互换使用, 那么in the name of 就不用做你查到idiom, 而
name 是可数的名词。以上的经文和Footnotes 来自biblegateway. |
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w***y
发帖数: 377 | 26 如果你单独把in the name of 拿出来，只谈这个idiom, 你说的对，by the authority
of , name 不可数。但在回到经文里不是这样用的，用的已经不是这个idiom,
baptize in(or into) the name of ..... name 可数，至于为什么会用单数，因为只
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b*********d
发帖数: 596 | 27 帮你找到了。感谢百度
发信人: kid (kid), 信区: TrustInJesus
标 题: Re: One Hundred Scriptural Arguments for a Unitarian Faith
发信站: BBS 未名空间站 (Mon Oct 5 00:08:52 2009, 美东)
非常赞赏你的态度。我从独立研读圣经也和你得到类似的结论。
实际上回过头来看这个结论是很明显的。 写新约圣经的作者们的观点
实际上更靠近耶和华见证人的观点。只是我一直没有勇气和别人说，
现在也太忙，没时间做大量的辩论。我看到有人引用所谓的三位一体的
经文，其实都是极少数，而且都是抠字眼。很多所谓三位一体的经文都是翻译的问题或
版本的问题。例如，
1. "马太28：19 分明是三位，为什么只用一个名？注意name用的是单数。Therefore
go and make disciples of all nations, baptizing them in the
name of the Father and the Son and the Holy Spirit,"
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l*****d
发帖数: 754 | 28 Not so fast.
He said he was in Catholicism for many years. But he never
said he was a believer. Christians are those who believe,
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发帖数: 10694 | 29 10 我现在是要得人的心呢？还是要得神的心呢？我岂是讨人的喜欢吗？若仍旧讨人的
喜欢，我就不是基督的仆人了。
I don't care whatever you think. I were baptized by Father, Son and Holy
Spirit.
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q********g
发帖数: 10694 | 30 如果象你所说的，这受洗的人不相信受圣灵的洗。这样，俗话一点，就是洗了也是白洗
。受洗是一个相信神的人在众人面前的仪式。
马太福音28章
18 耶稣进前来，对他们说，天上，地下所有的权柄，都赐给我了。
19 所以你们要去，使万民作我的门徒，奉父子圣灵的名，给他们施洗。（或作给他们
施洗归于父子圣灵的名）
20 凡我所吩咐你们的，都教训他们遵守，我就常与你们同在，直到世界的末了。
previous
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D*****y
发帖数: 5788 | 31 haha
Is this the way you answer question or thinking. I just want to get some
ideas how the Holy Spirit work.
Tell you the truth, believe it or not, after apostle Johon was dead,
nobody could baptize somebody by the Holy Spirit. Only apostle had that
power given by Jesus directly.
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D*****y
发帖数: 5788 | 32 I say nothing. I just want to learn some thing about the Holy Spirit. They
were baptized by the Holy Spirit directly and quickly turned to a different
gospel. It is interesting and how the Holy Spirit work. |
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D*****y
发帖数: 5788 | 33 Actually, it is very important to understand how the Holy Spirit work.
First, it could help us understand God;
Second, it could help us carefully say that I am led by the Holy Spirit and
what I understand is correct;
Third, it will help us recognize the ghost;
......
I am thinking this question since I was baptized. I found every Christian
said I was led by the Holy Spirit. There is the only one Holy Spirit. Behold
, what the Christian did. How dare anyone to say I am led by the Holy Spirit
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m****a
发帖数: 9485 | 34 No matter where you are, in the local church or any other church, as soon as
you receive the Lord Jesus as Christ and regenerated, We are all brothers,
and we are in one body, because we were baptized into one Spirit!
非常赞同！ |
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d*********w
发帖数: 32 | 36 来自主题: TrustInJesus版 - 柴玲信主了 Chai Ling, former Tiananmen Square student leader, was baptized and gave her
testimony on Easter, April 4, 2010.
ChinaAid
April 22, 2010: Revised 12:00 PM CST
BOSTON - More than 20 years ago, a young woman named Chai Ling mourned the
death of political and economic reformer Hu Yaobang, a symbol of freedom and
hope for the forward-thinking students of China. Hu's funeral, held on
April 22, 1989 seven days after his death, was attended by 50,000 students.
Chai Ling, then a 23-year-old top-ranking |
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q********1
发帖数: 1521 | 37 Mar 16:15 And he said unto them, Go ye into all the world,
and preach the gospel to the whole creation.
Mar 16:16 He that believeth and is baptized shall be saved;
but he that disbelieveth shall be condemned.
Mar 16:17 And these signs shall accompany them that believe:
in my name shall they cast out demons; they shall
speak with new tongues;
Mar 16:18 they shall take up serpents, and if they drink any
deadly thing, it shall in no wise hu |
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A*********e
发帖数: 4361 | 38 来自主题: TrustInJesus版 - 问两个问题
教堂平时非礼拜的时候开放吗？
(有的教堂一周大部分时间-白天上班时间和晚上有ACTIVITY的时间都开放，有的教堂不
是。。如果教堂有电话的，可以打一个给SECRETARY的办公室知道你想去的教堂的开门
时间是咋样的)
也就是说，是不是我随时都可以去教堂做做祷告？
（理论应该是这样的，但是在实际操作上并不是所有的教堂都全天24/7开放）
平时礼拜堂里面会有人吗？
（没有活动和仪式的时候多半没有人）
我是想，有时候可以自己去一个人祷告，但是最好礼拜堂里面没有别人的时候。。。
（嗯，一个人单独跟神亲近是很好的习惯）
如果要baptize的话，一般是走什么程序？
（各个教会不同。有的教会是一年几次开受洗班，一次6-7周，每周一次课。有的教会
是如果你想受洗，单独跟牧师谈谈，他会帮助你了解和明确你是否真的懂了信了，如果
是，在任何你想受洗的时间都可以受洗。地点也可以选在教堂的洗礼池，也可以选在河
里湖里，海里当然也可以不过现在我还没遇到一位朋友是在海里洗的。有在牧师家后面
的小河里洗的，也有集体跑到湖里去洗的 ：）））
是先上查经班吗？
（答案见上问。我知道有几个同学是因为赶不上平时主要去的 |
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i*****t
发帖数: 24265 | 39 why?
the reason is God's word:
"GO AND MAKE DISCIPLES, BAPTIZING THEM …"
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p****r
发帖数: 31 | 40 One main difference between different denominations is about the
Communion.
Some denominators such as Catholic believe that the bread is
the Body and the wine is the Blood, while others believe that the
bread
and the wine are the symbol of body and blood. In the churches of the
former denomination, only the baptized can have the Communion, which
is Holy.
This is a deep theological issue. Many American church-goers don't
really think about theological questions as Chinese, because for many
of the... 阅读全帖 |
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D*****r
发帖数: 6791 | 41 Acts 9:1-19 Saul’s Conversion
1Meanwhile, Saul was still breathing out murderous threats against the Lord
’s disciples. He went to the high priest 2and asked him for letters to the
synagogues in Damascus, so that if he found any there who belonged to the
Way, whether men or women, he might take them as prisoners to Jerusalem. 3As
he neared Damascus on his journey, suddenly a light from heaven flashed
around him. 4He fell to the ground and heard a voice say to him, “Saul,
Saul, why do you persecu... 阅读全帖 |
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D*****r
发帖数: 6791 | 42 Acts 16:11-15 Lydia’s Conversion in Philippi
11From Troas we put out to sea and sailed straight for Samothrace, and the
next day on to Neapolis. 12From there we traveled to Philippi, a Roman
colony and the leading city of that district of Macedonia. And we stayed
there several days.
13On the Sabbath we went outside the city gate to the river, where we
expected to find a place of prayer. We sat down and began to speak to the
women who had gathered there. 14One of those listening was a woman named... 阅读全帖 |
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D*****r
发帖数: 6791 | 43 Acts 16:16-40 Paul and Silas in Prison
16Once when we were going to the place of prayer, we were met by a slave
girl who had a spirit by which she predicted the future. She earned a great
deal of money for her owners by fortune-telling. 17This girl followed Paul
and the rest of us, shouting, “These men are servants of the Most High God,
who are telling you the way to be saved.” 18She kept this up for many days
. Finally Paul became so troubled that he turned around and said to the
spirit, “In th... 阅读全帖 |
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D*****r
发帖数: 6791 | 44 Acts 18:1-17 In Corinth
1After this, Paul left Athens and went to Corinth. 2There he met a Jew named
Aquila, a native of Pontus, who had recently come from Italy with his wife
Priscilla, because Claudius had ordered all the Jews to leave Rome. Paul
went to see them, 3and because he was a tentmaker as they were, he stayed
and worked with them. 4Every Sabbath he reasoned in the synagogue, trying to
persuade Jews and Greeks.
5When Silas and Timothy came from Macedonia, Paul devoted himself
exclusiv... 阅读全帖 |
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D*****r
发帖数: 6791 | 45 Acts 19:1-22 Paul in Ephesus
1While Apollos was at Corinth, Paul took the road through the interior and
arrived at Ephesus. There he found some disciples 2and asked them, “Did you
receive the Holy Spirit whena you believed?”
They answered, “No, we have not even heard that there is a Holy Spirit.”
3So Paul asked, “Then what baptism did you receive?”
“John’s baptism,” they replied.
4Paul said, “John’s baptism was a baptism of repentance. He told the
people to believe in the one coming after him, t... 阅读全帖 |
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D*****r
发帖数: 6791 | 46 Acts 22:1-21 保罗的自辩
1“Brothers and fathers, listen now to my defense.”
2When they heard him speak to them in Aramaic, they became very quiet.
Then Paul said: 3“I am a Jew, born in Tarsus of Cilicia, but brought up in
this city. Under Gamaliel I was thoroughly trained in the law of our fathers
and was just as zealous for God as any of you are today. 4I persecuted the
followers of this Way to their death, arresting both men and women and
throwing them into prison, 5as also the high priest and all t... 阅读全帖 |
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l*******u
发帖数: 27 | 47 我不是经学家，我引用部分经句举例说明一下，不是完全的论述：
歌罗西书
1:15 爱子是那不能看见之 神的像，是首生的，在一切被造的以先。
1:16 因为万有都是靠他造的，无论是天上的、地上的、能看见的、不能看见的，或是
有位的、主治
的、执政的、掌权的，一概都是藉着他造的，又是为他造的。
1:17 他在万有之先，万有也靠他而立。
1：15 很明确的把耶稣和被造区别开。神造万有，包括天使，人，宇宙等等。但是耶稣
不是被造的，
他在被造以先。
1：16 到 17 直接说耶稣造万有。
腓立比书
2:6 他本有 神的形像，不以自己与 神同等为强夺的，
2:7 反倒虚己，取了奴仆的形像，成为人的样式。
这里很清楚的用“与神同等”四个字。
创世记1:26 神说：“我们要照着我们的形像，按着我们的样式造人，使他们管理海里
的鱼、空中的
鸟、地上的牲畜和全地，并地上所爬的一切昆虫。”
创世纪里神跟谁说“我们”？神就一个，只能解释为三位一体，“我们”是因为是三个
位格。
Matthew 28:19 Go therefore and make disciples of all the
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发帖数: 25615 | 48 November 12, 2010
For Catholics, Interest in Exorcism Is Revived
By LAURIE GOODSTEIN
The rite of exorcism, rendered gory by Hollywood and ridiculed by many
modern believers, has largely fallen out of favor in the Roman Catholic
Church in the United States.
There are only a handful of priests in the country trained as exorcists, but
they say they are overwhelmed with requests from people who fear they are
possessed by the Devil.
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发帖数: 95 | 49 Absolutely sure! Could you please find the Words for me. You are amazingly
familiar with Bible! At least better than me, a claimed and baptized
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发帖数: 10018 | 50 这里所说的替死人受浸，是某些圣徒自己的实行。保罗在这里，应该是用以强调
复活的真理，而非赞同他们的实行。因为哥林多人不相信主的复活，却又在替死
人施浸。
保罗的意思是，你们一面给死人施浸，一面却不相信他们的复活，这岂非荒谬？
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