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Z*****e
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来自主题: Soccer版 - BARCA控球率的研究
不少BARCA球迷都以BARCA的超高控球率自毫。我发现每场比赛下来,只要BARCA的控球
大于等于70%基本肯定是掌控了比赛。但如果低于70%,大多是60几%那这场比
赛基本上是被对手控制的,大多数情况下赢不了球。为什么那不到10%的控球那么决
定性呢。我觉得那不到10%的控球应该叫有效控球应该是在对方半场的控球。那剩下
的大部分是在自己半场的控球算无效控球。现在的BARCA变弱的最大的一个变化就是对
方半场的有效控球大大减少了。而那是决定性的。其中原因说到底就是BARCA技术下降
了。技术这东西是个相对量而不是绝对量,是相对对手水平来衡量的。足球场上最最重
要的技术就是传接能力,要快要准。现在BARCA的传接明显变慢,应该是2方面的原因
,自身球员动作变慢和对手能力变强了。没有那么快速的传接就很难在对方的半场控球
。什么时候BARCA的控球稳定在60%左右基本就是这个王朝结束的标志。所以我觉得
数据统计应该把单纯的控球率再细分,分前场控球率和后场控球率。这里就要提一提RM
的银河一代时期,那个队的球员单个单应该远比现在这个BARCA强很多,但为什么他们
那时没有BARCA这样恐怖的... 阅读全帖
Z*****e
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来自主题: Soccer版 - 发文怀念BARCA的控球足球
今天的比赛基本宣判BARCA王朝的结束了。现在回来想想,BARCA的压迫式控球真的是赏
心悦目(虽然我个人比较痛恨BARCA这个队),真的是前无古人,估计也后无来者了。
这点连我以前特别欣赏的银河一代也做不到。其原因不是那批球员技术不如BARCA这批
人(我个人认为银河一代球员要普遍更强,技术更全面),只是那个年代的高手太多,
对手实力也强,就让你很难打出BARCA那样的让对手都摸不到球。BARCA这个王朝的出现
主要应该是出了这批人,更重要的是整个世界足坛实力球员的断层。BARCA王朝的结束
与其说是滋生实力的下降,不如说是对手实力的提高。这样的球队这样的打法估计多少
年不会再有了。
a**q
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Yahoo sports 转来的joke
If it continued… (Barca v Real Madrid, Supercopa)
By Brooks Peck
The two legs of the Supercopa combined for the usual volcanic mix of violence
, childishness and entertaining football that usually comes from Real Madrid
and Barcelona sharing the pitch. Though Barca came up with a late winner to
lift yet another trophy, the brawl that followed made for a less than
desirable ending to two great games. So, we are left to ask that question we
keep coming back to: "What if it con... 阅读全帖
l******d
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来自主题: Soccer版 - milan vs barca 球员点评
milan:
maldini
老了,转身慢。被saviola晃过很轻松。联想到cl,对国际,第二回合,被martins进的球
。他该退役了。
不知道为什么阿根廷小后卫不能进队。
cafu好球员
ambrosini射门实在是差
serginho技术不错
roque灾星,第二求就是打在他身上变线进的。
pirlo一定要打前腰,发挥能射门分球的长处。现在离门太远了。
前卫没有火力点,前锋就很吃力。
barca:
小罗 quaresma saviola
控球好,动作敏捷,会射门。
(米兰和barca的差距也在这里:pirlo控球好,会射门,但是离门太远;rui控球好,可
是不会射门。gattuso,ambrosini都是这个问题。所以买入kaka这个类型的球员是当务之
急,或让rivaldo打主力边锋,sheva和inzaghi上一个即可。而barca有三个这样的进攻型
球员,就可以打出配合,很难断球。)
Puyal实在是好,防守很文件。
其上半场守门员,烂人。瞎折腾,这厮心理有问题。
m******k
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Can RM handle Barca's Tita Tika next season, as Barca did not sign anyone
yet.
I would say yes. RM did sign some really good defensive players.
My bet is Barca can win one silverware next season, but not two.
Either Laliga or ECL cup.
m******k
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来自主题: Soccer版 - 374 to Barca. done
True. but Barca can do nothing about it. Spanish gov is stupid.
if there is a hole, anyone will exploit it.
If it is not Wenger, it will be
someone else, like what Chelsea just did to Barca this summer.(signing a
starlet from Barca for *free*)
Z*****e
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来自主题: Soccer版 - BARCA控球率的研究
那得看球在谁脚下啊,比如BARCA的比赛好多时间球在BARCA的半场,但球在BARCA的脚
下啊。球在哪个半场重要,在哪方的脚下更重要。
Z*****e
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来自主题: Soccer版 - BARCA控球率的研究
你说的情况是BARCA在最颠峰的时候的情况吧,那时好多比赛的控球率都达到80几了
%,当然你会看到前场压迫式的控球。但是你看看现在的BARCA的60几%的控球的比
赛,有没有那种前场压迫的控球了?看看是不是比赛被对手控制了?差了那10几%的
前场控球就是关键所在。现在的能力和对手实力的变强是导致BARCA没法在对方半场那
么从容压迫的控球了,这才是关键所在。
D****o
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来自主题: Soccer版 - barca
please give some credit to the best atheletic soccer player in the world. he
scored vs. barca with the strong abs muscle and won the club a big trophy
last season.
you must have heard barca lost to a club with big score in the pre-season
game.
x******y
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准备携手小组出线。 这两队历史上关系就很好。 当然主要是 barca 在保 Milan. 俺
舍娃马队那阵子饭过milan。 后来小罗鼎盛的那阵子俺饭过barca。 前面的路还很长,
这样省体力也好
I******8
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来自主题: Soccer版 - Beckenbauer clarifies Barca 'tricks'
"I only said that Barca will do what it can to get to the final, but not by
illegal means," he said.
"When I say they will use everything they have at their disposal I'm
referring to putting pressure on their rival, something that's normal on the
pitch, it's something that I used to do as a player and during my time as a
manager.
http://sports.yahoo.com/news/soccer-beckenbauer-clarifies-barca
http://www.mitbbs.com/article_t/Soccer/33284837.html
Z*****e
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有没人象我这样天天希望BARCA输球王朝结束但又喜欢看他们的比赛的。
f****l
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来自主题: Soccer版 - barca vs barca (long)
open training sessions under 3 different coaches
2014
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8nZkufmnxgY
2013
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=el-lLh7iLkY
2012
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zQnv-_mHJ0A
pep vs tito (none of them is at barca now, sigh)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AGS6IU-tLh0
f****g
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来自主题: Soccer版 - barca's a bunch of losers, period.
re, barca , mess...all are shits
u*********e
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is because Barca fans are cheap bastards. After a win, not a single baozi is
distributed. People can not be persuaded but people surely can be bought.
m*********n
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man, we are not cheap bastards. we are simply poor and starving students
that cry for baozi ourselves everyday. barca is all we have and that's it.

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x**w
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不成問題
整個前場立體轟炸。
要搶,大家對搶。
要攻,對攻搞死barca
x**w
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不怕,對射,比誰進的多。
barca後方比italy2000差多了,搞進5個不成問題。
x**w
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总体来说要场面上不太难堪又能赢barca/spain现在打法的,国家队只有荷兰/巴西,
因为荷兰是巴萨现在打法的亲祖宗,巴西么个人能力太强。
皇马除鸟之外,找西定可 或者 现在荷兰国家队教练。
西定可09年搞巴萨真是巴萨这几年最大的羞辱,虽然巴萨晋级。
x**w
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算不算messi?小阿最近2 ~3年整体不行阿,个人突出的局限于几个位置。。
巴西对砍barca不上a2还有卖空可用。
P*****f
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本特那停球好一点barca就回家了。
用艺术打艺术还是有戏的
M**Q
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http://sports.yahoo.com/soccer/news;_ylt=ArBzYYvL195NjEmXosH9FT
MADRID (AFP) - Arsenal have abandoned efforts to keep skipper Cesc Fabregas
who could be set for a return to Spanish giants Barcelona, Spanish sports
newspapers said Thursday.
Gunners coach Arsene Wenger has allowed his skipper to leave on condition he
does not sign with another English team, the Barcelona-based daily Mundo
Deportivo said, quoting a conversation between the two.
But it warned that "negotiations between the two clubs... 阅读全帖
m******k
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来自主题: Soccer版 - 374 to Barca. done
the price tag of the 22 yr old chilean :
£22.9 million in cash, plus another £9.7m related to bonuses
I say it is a good deal for Barca, especially
only £22.9 million is committed. They will only need to pay the full £9.7m
if they win it all next season. Next target is Cesc 4.
On the other hand, the asking price for Modvich is £45, Snijder £31, Neymar and Aguero
both £39.5 million.
m******k
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来自主题: Soccer版 - 374 to Barca. done
signing cesc 4 is still possible
as long as Arsenal does not stick to 40 million pound in cash.
Barca has the ability to dish out another 20+ million pound in cash, or even
maybe 30. but not 40.
I say 29 million GBP in cash + 12 million incentives.
m******k
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来自主题: Soccer版 - 374 to Barca. done
Or Arsenal can be Barca's feeder club. lol
b*****t
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来自主题: Soccer版 - 374 to Barca. done
this is not an lol to arsenal, but one to barca's youth ranks.
x**w
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来自主题: Soccer版 - barca又和美洲隊開踢了
其實每次和任意一美洲隊踢, 看上去就是兩個水平相當的美洲俱樂部 純粹5 5 開,
控球都不站優。這些墨西哥隊伍根本不鳥barca。
m******k
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来自主题: Soccer版 - barca
Forward: Villa, Pedro, Messi, (sub: Alexis)
Mid, attacking mid: Xavi, Iniesta, (sub: Cesc, Thiago)
DM: Busquest, (sub: Mascherno)
System: Barca's 4-3-3
Coach: Guadiola
can we say the best attacking bunch in history for a club?
b****r
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来自主题: Soccer版 - barca rules this game now
this is where the fight started
ppl try hard looking for excuses to deny it, but failed n failed again
its not like all other teams are full of shit at all
unfortunately barca is the one on the top, dirty or funny mouth won,t change
a thing, anyway
w****h
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来自主题: Soccer版 - RM vs. BM, Chelsea vs. Barca
chelsea 打 barca 没希望赢。
s******6
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来自主题: Soccer版 - barca前锋状态好点
25/80???这个效率很高啊...barca前锋群这赛季很烂啊
a**q
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Barcelona struck a deal Thursday to sign Valencia and Spain left-back Jordi
Alba for 14 million euros ($17.5 million) on a five-year contract, the
Catalan club said.
"Barcelona Football Club has today reached an agreement with Valencia for
the transfer of Jordi Alba, pending a medical which he will undergo in
Barcelona next week," a statement from the club said.
"The cost of the transfer will be 14 million euros and the player will sign
a contract for the next five seasons," it added.
The Barcel... 阅读全帖
A**4
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来自主题: Soccer版 - Barca 4:2 Malaga!!!!!!!!
Niao is not the only one parking the bus, though he is the most ferocious
one with KungFu style too. How many teams don't park the bus against Barca
now days? Especially during the do or die matches. I had more respect to RM
under Peglliani than Mourihno.
Z*****e
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来自主题: Soccer版 - BARCA控球率的研究
那就是为什么好多比赛BARCA的控球能达到60几%高对手快20多个点,看比赛看起
来却被对手控制了的原因。
k*******8
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来自主题: Soccer版 - 发文怀念BARCA的控球足球
银河一代其实商业效果大过实际 和前几年的barca不能比
Z*****e
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来自主题: Soccer版 - 发文怀念BARCA的控球足球
被看出来了,应该是心情复杂,痛恨的BARCA终于完蛋,但以前那一套套的前场控着球
压在禁区前让对手摸不着球看起来真过饮,平时踢球有时碰到对手弱踢成那样也觉得特
别过饮。以后不会再看到这样的比赛了。
Z*****e
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来自主题: Soccer版 - 发文怀念BARCA的控球足球
所以说那时的对手实力也强啊,把BARCA放到那时也不可能打出让对手摸不到球的水平
y*j
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来自主题: Soccer版 - barca chelsa arsenal
ouch ! barca 2 分钟进 2 球, 反超了
b*****e
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来自主题: Soccer版 - 人贱则无敌阿
Strike, Cesc
By ANTONY KASTRINAKIS
Published: Today
Add a comment (50)
BARCELONA want Cesc Fabregas to go on strike next week to force a cut-price
move from Arsenal.
The Gunners face a nail-biting wait to see if their skipper turns up for the
first day of pre-season training a week today.
Barcelona have had a 7million bid turned down and are unlikely to meet Ars
enal's 0m valuation.
If Fabregas refuses to join up with his team-mates, it will put Arsenal unde
r enormous pressure to finally sell t... 阅读全帖
A**4
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What you did mean by 双杀? Normally it means beat twice in the league.
Murinho's RM beated Barca twice was in the Copa de Ray and league. But again
it was in the February period (one in March 2 I think which is just 2 days
out of Feb), when Barca in the low spot of a season cycle. Check the history
of Barca's record on Feb, you would see it's there worst time of the year.
However, Barca and RM normally don't meet at this period of time. It was due
to the change of league schedule and the draw of c... 阅读全帖
b**i
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来自主题: Soccer版 - 欧冠应该改成“欧亚”
这简单: 八分: BARCA对 INTER
SEMI: BARCA对MANU
FINAL: BARCA对ARSENAL
让BARCA对所有的强队打个遍不就分出胜负了吗!
s******n
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Manchester United coach Sir Alex Ferguson greeted Barcelona manager Pep
Guardiola just after the Champions League final whistle Saturday at Wembley
Stadium with a smile on his face, exchanged a few words and patted him on
the back.
Then, Ferguson walked away to contemplate another loss in the final to
Guardiola's Barcelona, with the consolation that falling to the best team in
the world could not be so bad.
The odds were against United lifting a fourth European championship, even
with the final ... 阅读全帖
s***i
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嘴上跑火车的专家文章太多, 这个散文让我跪了。。。
另外
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除个别情况,文中人名、球场名一律采用西文,著作名一律西文斜体,见谅。
说是停,亦为送,捅重一分嫌长,蹭轻一分嫌短,时而脚弓绷,时而脚背撩,你欲瓮中
捉鳖,他原地辟蹊径,你作下山猛虎,他信步过刀枪,常忖他无计可施,却自信马由缰
,更忧他引火烧身,奈何巧避锋芒。球自他脚上过,写意山水般,寥寥几笔,这感觉甩
个英文单词叫neat,“你特”……没辙,观者特……带劲。
常觉Sergio Busquets是个手艺人,两只长腿作柄,一双大脚为锋的“手”艺人。虽雕
虫小技,这两年的巴萨似乎也缺不得——28号一面对本方球门,多少还担心会是邓布利
多吃比比多味豆(*1),而今16号却已成了盘碟中的盐巴。换成酱油不行么?当然行。
味精呢?白糖呢?你看着办,四肢无力了别赖大厨。Johan Cruyff反正告诉你,有咸味
就行。可肠胃总归熬不住成天的清汤挂面。
E. H. G... 阅读全帖
s**l
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(1)
7'33": abidal rush forwards, when he could not controlled the ball,fouled on
Santos player
(2)
8'27": a player of Santos has the ball, Barca player immediately fouled, in
order to stop the Santos attack
(3)
20'28":Pique played gongfu on Borges and stopped the attack of Santos
(4)
21`45": Nemar ran forward, Barca players put him down from behind.
(5)
25'00": Xavi fiercely fouled on Leo, no card
(6)
26'03": Pique put Santos a forward player down,no card
(7)
32'10": Inesta tricked a Santos play... 阅读全帖
x**w
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受sill univid等讨论启发:
建议推论到
“有效射门比”= (shot) / (possession % ),越高越说明该球队进攻意愿坚决
“有效tackle比” = (tackle)/ (possession %),越高越说明该队防守强度大。
当然还有已经提到的有效犯规比,看谁更爱犯规等。
总之把所有数据都除以控球时间比后再对双方比较,可以看出双方在单位控球时间内的
进攻强度,或者单位无球时间内的防守强度。
应把巴萨梦2队和目前巴萨进行这些数据的比较,即可以看出谁更喜欢进攻。
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举例:
1。09年 chelsea vs barca 1:1
Chelsea Barcelona
13(4) Shots (on Goal) 14(1)
16 Fouls 17
6 Corner Kicks 6
5 Offsides 0
29% Time of Possession 71%
4 Yellow Cards 3
0 Red Cards 1
有效数据:
进攻强度:shot/(... 阅读全帖
x**w
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加了两个例子说明:
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举例:
1。09年 chelsea vs barca 1:1
Chelsea Barcelona
13(4) Shots (on Goal) 14(1)
16 Fouls 17
6 Corner Kicks 6
5 Offsides 0
29% Time of Possession 71%
4 Yellow Cards 3
0 Red Cards 1
有效数据:
进攻强度:shot/(possession %)chelsea 13/29 远高于barca 14/71,2倍多
防守干净程度: fouls / (possession %)chelsea 16 /71(71%是无球状态)也
远高于 barca 17/29。
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2。今天chelsea vs barca 1:0
Chelsea Barcelona
... 阅读全帖
d**j
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【 以下文字转载自 Soccer 讨论区 】
发信人: albertini (卡卡), 信区: Soccer
标 题: soccer版和ncaa的相似处
发信站: BBS 未名空间站 (Mon Jan 24 23:17:04 2011, 美东)
1. 意甲和大十
1.1 祖上都富贵过,意甲尤文米兰国米三大豪门,大十的osu, um,psu算半个?新
加入neb的先不算数。
1.2 现在都很没落。
1.3 每年外战除了一两只队,其他的都很不给力。
1.4 bbs上拥有最庞大的球迷,内掐的挺厉害,比如ac和国际,osu/um就不说了,对
外貌似比较团结。而且都是以老球迷为主
1.5 新的年轻的球迷ms都是比较牛的联赛的,比如sec, 英超西甲。

2. 季节性很强,每年bcs要结束和bowl season。欧冠的8强后和联赛的收官。然后都进
入休眠期,开始yy recruit和转会
3. 都有宇宙队,usc和巴萨
4. 都有著名行为艺术大师,比如z大师,nissan, ncaa的猛哥。一棍大师好像也在两个
版都灌水。
5. 有些常年驻扎的活字典,比如dr... 阅读全帖
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来自主题: Soccer版 - [合集] 米兰进攻流畅之极
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Lathander (晨曦之主) 于 (Mon Sep 3 12:38:10 2007) 提到:
大国米是否看的心惊胆跳
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quadrode (Milan&Rockets) 于 (Mon Sep 3 12:53:37 2007) 提到:
米兰是欧洲足坛节奏控制最好的了

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yoyofather (I love yoyo) 于 (Mon Sep 3 13:05:31 2007) 提到:
和巴萨比怎么样?米兰说最不爽在欧冠碰巴萨
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IamKaKa (我是卡卡) 于 (Mon Sep 3 13:07:27 2007) 提到:
速度比barca慢,点也比barca少;
不过平衡性比barca好
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篮球队:欧洲冠军
手球队:欧洲亚军
曲棍球队:欧洲冠军
足球队:欧洲四强
足球成绩最差
[战报] 【官网 05/31】巴萨曲棍球队---欧洲之王!
本帖最后由 robin 于 2010-5-31 17:16 编辑
翻译:Robin
版权所有,转载请注明作者及出自“巴塞罗那中国球迷协会www.barca.cn”
消息来源: http://www.fcbarcelona.com/web/e ... /n100530111310.html
就像三周前巴萨篮球队那样,周日巴萨曲棍球队(Barca Sorli Discau)也4-1击败
Roncato
Patí Vic 获得欧洲冠军;而巴萨手球队(Barca Borges)则在决赛中34-36输给了
Kiel
,获得欧洲亚军,没能第八次登顶。这是巴萨曲棍球队近11年来第8次称雄欧洲,欧洲
总冠
军数达到了19个,球队主帅Ferran Pujalte取得了8胜1平0负的战绩。
这是巴塞罗那的胜利,篮球队和曲棍球队先后登顶欧洲,而手球队仅仅是倒在了决赛上。
多么伟大的赛季,一个无以伦比的记录。 Visca el Barça y Vi
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来自主题: Soccer版 - soccer版和ncaa的相似处
1. 意甲和大十
1.1 祖上都富贵过,意甲尤文米兰国米三大豪门,大十的osu, um,psu算半个?新
加入neb的先不算数。
1.2 现在都很没落。
1.3 每年外战除了一两只队,其他的都很不给力。
1.4 bbs上拥有最庞大的球迷,内掐的挺厉害,比如ac和国际,osu/um就不说了,对
外貌似比较团结。而且都是以老球迷为主
1.5 新的年轻的球迷ms都是比较牛的联赛的,比如sec, 英超西甲。

2. 季节性很强,每年bcs要结束和bowl season。欧冠的8强后和联赛的收官。然后都进
入休眠期,开始yy recruit和转会
3. 都有宇宙队,usc和巴萨
4. 都有著名行为艺术大师,比如z大师,nissan, ncaa的猛哥。一棍大师好像也在两个
版都灌水。
5. 有些常年驻扎的活字典,比如drake, breeze之流。
6. 出现过 one vs all的事件。当年nd vs big10,造成了单独的nd俱乐部。去年barca
输给inter后,barca俱乐部关门。不过现在nd一如既往得不给力,barca越来越宇宙了。
7. 都喜欢... 阅读全帖
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