q****8 发帖数: 3281 | 1 这次讲一下BLUFF的两个实例,都是在$2/4NL我的遭遇,一正一反.
半个月前在FTP,我SB拿到AQo,UTG raised to $12, Button Called, I called.
FLOP Q99 2 Diamonds, I checked, UTG checked, Button bet $20, I called, UTG
raised to 60, button folded, I called.
这是个典型的可以BLUFF的FLOP,我TPTK没理由fold. FLOP我丝毫看不出UTG是有9,AA,KK
,还是bluff,call了再说.
TURN 一张小牌, I checked, UTG bet 2/3 POT, around $90, I called.
TRUN上他的bet也没有给我更多信息,我就继续call.
RIVER 一张小牌, I checked, UTG ALL-IN, around $250.
RIVER他的bet暴露了bluff,如果bet 1/2POT, 我很可能fold. 逻辑是这样的:如果他有
一个9,三条不算很强的牌,我FLOP c |
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W********m 发帖数: 7793 | 2 This series of articles describes a model for player development that I call
Stages Of A TAG. I think most players go through a series of stages or
realizations about no-limit hold’em as they improve their games from rank
beginners to decent tight-aggressive (TAG) players and beyond.
In total I have identified 25 stages that I think most players go through,
roughly in order, as they improve. This article begins with Stage 6.
Stage 6. I can semibluff decent draws postflop with essentially no adde... 阅读全帖 |
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l*****g 发帖数: 1128 | 3 玩了两个session,总共十几个小时,winrate大概50$/hr. 运气很一般,被人SUCK OUT
无数,但玩了15-20分钟后能明显感觉到自己在桌上有edge.本来是买了200的(想着1
-2 NL 200也够了),一看这个GAME这么容易,毫不犹豫补足300。一对比,真的觉得
LOCAL的GAME真的很TOUGH,很多玩得好的。但在BORGATA玩,桌上基本没什么tough
decision to make. 倒是我把整个桌上的人搞得稀里糊涂的,该CALL的不CALL,不该
CALL的又CALL了,自己心里都在暗自发笑。随便聊聊整个过程吧。
说实话,去过VEGAS很多次了再去AC真的是没点兴奋劲了,所以晚上到了那里也就直奔
BORGATA玩POKER去了。其他哪里也没去。走到BORGATA POKER ROOM门口一看,还是挺壮
观的,DEALER告诉我总共有85张桌子,确实算很大了。然后马上找了张桌子坐下,一坐
下DEALER就要我ID,都快30了,每次去CASINO都被查ID,真是很无奈。坐下后瞄了一下
整个桌上的人,有2-3个中国人。大家也都审视了一下我,从形象看估计... 阅读全帖 |
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l*****g 发帖数: 1128 | 4 过去这几天都在玩POKER,总共快3天了,说实话,玩到后面有点想吐的感觉。这几天什
么都经历了。 有最LUCKY的SESSION,有最TOUGH的CALL,也有最ridiculous的对手,真
是应有尽有。下面就来小总结一下吧:
The luckiest session ever for me: On Monday night, I played for 4 hours and
won over $1400 at the 1-3 NL game. I was so lucky and running like a God.
One player said:" she is too beautiful to beat." Although, I really think I
was too lucky to beat.
On Tuesday, after my big win from the previous night, I decided to play 2-5
NL for my first time. I bought in for $300, and I was doing ... 阅读全帖 |
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D*A 发帖数: 1169 | 5 POT control 和induce bluff 是两回事,既然control pot,就不希望被bluff,
因为 bluff的Size 通常不会太小,而且用于pot control的hand 不会太大,面对一个
大size的bet(不管是不是bluff)会无所适从。这就违背了初衷。 |
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c*****t 发帖数: 817 | 6 No..我觉得check raise TPTK 是 live player 输钱的主要原因之一。
live player,尤其是老爷爷们的一个主要特点就是bluff少,但是容易overplay他们的
hand。
他们好像觉得check raise打出了气势,特别爽。我的主要一个赢钱来源就是例如:我
raise with AA,老爷爷call OOP。flop Q 10 2 rainbow. 老爷爷check raise我all in
。对老爷爷们这种情况我snap call。基本上知道老爷爷们不是AQ就是KQ。
TPTK是好牌。但是check raise turns it into a bluff。太可惜了。
你基本上打跑了所有输给你的牌,留下的都是比你大的。尤其是面对bluffer。你何不
如check call让他继续bluff呢。当然,check raise的结果是你能知道where you are
and can fold to a reraise。但是用check raise的方式来知道自己在哪里也太贵了。
对于bluffer,你不需要知道他的牌是什么,just check ... 阅读全帖 |
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p****r 发帖数: 9164 | 7 觉得唐国强有些奶油气,跟诸葛亮的智者气质多少有些差距。不过,我也找不出
能比他演好这个角色的演员了。 也许黄小明? 稍嫩了一点。
最近我一直在想,假如诸葛亮玩扑克, 凭借他的策略和智慧,肯定是世界顶尖
高手。
那个durrr的bluff 并不是最经典的, 这个是。
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zfP2GU74dFc
连Gabe kapland 都讲, 以前只有stu Ungar 有这两下。 He raised on the flop
for information, when PeterEastgate cold called the raise and Barry called
as well, he knew he had worst hand. He had to turn a made hand into bluff
and bet big to win.
But he knew Peter Eastgate had trip no kicker ,but did n... 阅读全帖 |
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c*****t 发帖数: 817 | 8 啊......lziueng你不是女将???怎么可能?
另外,我觉得这帮鼻血级玩家之间的bluff更讲究represent nuts。强装full house吓
跑nut flush是可能的。在1/3 bluff就属Ed Miller说的对.他说小额桌子bluff主要就
看对手的range有多weak。对手牌弱就bluff.牌强就算了.看board想represent什么之类
的就想多了。很多玩家拿着AA在789三同花的牌面也要跟到底.你要是气愤地想:"你怎么
能CALL我的check raise呢,我represent的range有多强你知道吗?"就属于太高看他了.
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W********m 发帖数: 7793 | 9 Just after Black Friday I had a chat with a friend of mine who plays live no
-limit in Las Vegas casinos. “You know this is going to kill our games,”
he said. “The internet kids are all going to be taking every other seat,
and no one’s going to beat the rake.”
It took half an hour, but eventually I talked him down from the ledge. Las
Vegas is crawling with tourists, and they are really, really bad at poker.
So what if there are a few more decent players in the game?
I did acknowledge that we’d p... 阅读全帖 |
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l*****g 发帖数: 1128 | 10 想继续写,不过已经12点了,该去玩牌了,有空再UPDATE吧。小总结一下。第二天也就
是星期三,分别在V,BALLY'S,B,玩了三个SESSION,每个SESSION都是2.5-4小时之间
,PROFIT都是300-400+之间,所以总共赢了1000+。昨天又跑到V玩,运气很好,玩
得也不错,2个多小时赢了850+。后来玩了个150的TOURNAMENT,最后QQ LIMP UTG,
200-400 BLIND,知道MP 90%会RAISE,果不其然他RAISE到2700,下面竟然有两个人
CALL了,我马上ALL-IN,想着一切都是按我计划进行,MP LAG FOLD了,从来不觉得他
有什么,就靠SUCK OUT 别人无数把STACK打起来的,然后就一直BULLY整个TABLE,
ANYWAY,他FLOD了,8600 MORE TO CALL,谁知他下面的人竟然CALL了,亮出10 9 方块
,FLOP 10 J K 全黑桃,我有黑桃Q,TURN 10 红桃,RIVER 8 方块,我气得要命。第
一次我变成了女PHIL HELLMUTH,说道:“他竟然10 9 CALL我的ALL-... 阅读全帖 |
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p****r 发帖数: 9164 | 11 Another very good piece!
I like these two statements a lot:
I. " I think the three most important areas of intelligence in regards to poker are logic, probability, psychology. They actually are pretty close in order of importance, and change depending on game structure.".
II. "I absolutely believe that your personality affects the way you play poker"
I think logic is really his strength. I improve my poker logic a lot from watching his vid and play.
I just posted about the time t... 阅读全帖 |
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l*u 发帖数: 1770 | 12 这次全家四口(女儿,老婆和丈母娘)到vegas, 总共在venetian住了六
个晚上。由于有了丈母娘的鼎力相助看小孩,我每个晚上都有了打poker
的机会。白天也打过两三次短的sessions.
在local玩poker, 主要是打2/5NL,水平是基本能在local casino存活
下来。有时为了等桌子,有时也打1/2NL。有时觉得1/2NL反而不好打,
bet多了没人跟,slow play就会被bust。所以到vegas之后,我准备只
玩2/5。谁知计划赶不上变化,我只打了一个session的2/5,其余时间
都在玩1/2。觉得2/5的经验还是对玩好1/2有帮助的。
这次总共获利大概2.5K,其中1k是从2/5上得来的。想想看,还是2/5
的效率高,只玩了一次,却占了2/5的效益。这就是为什么我偏爱2/5
胜过1/2. 但经验告诉我们赢多快就会输多快, 除非你的Poker水平高
过你同桌的水平。为了减轻打2/5的压力,也为了陪老婆玩,我们就一
块在1/2桌子上并肩作战直到来开vegas.
由于没有及时上贴,大多数的过程我都不记得了,我就贴些我记得的
几手牌(请原谅我下面中Eng... 阅读全帖 |
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W********m 发帖数: 7793 | 13 他raise 60-70, 如果他不喜欢fold to 3 bet,不喜欢fold post flop, 我还是倾向于
flat. 对于这种对手,你可以3 bet wide 像AJ+/99+ 都可以for thin value, 不要3
bet small pocket pair. small pocket pair too valuable post flop against them
since they do not like to fold. 也不要3 bet bluff or semi-bluff.
turn check call 是为了induce bluff after he float you with air. 这种772dry
board, 他会float 你很多的。 你2 barrel, 他跟的range 比他的bet range 小, 因
为他会fold 给2 barrel 很大一部分air, 但会bet almost 100% air. river 是否check
call 取决于他river 的aggression. 这里碰巧他turn 多了一个draw,... 阅读全帖 |
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g**s 发帖数: 1114 | 14 The river all in does not make much sense to me.Were you trying to bluff
here or get more values? What hand can you bluff off? Any hand stronger than
44 could call. What value can you get from river all in? Ax? 2x? super
super thin almost to zero. As played, I would check on the river and induce
bluff if you all in OOP any way. If villian had KQ, you all in just blow out
the possible river bluff.
over all, I still like what MM Lao shi said, if villian does not fold 3 bet,
better not 3 bet with 4... 阅读全帖 |
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W********m 发帖数: 7793 | 15 River is a tough decision after check call turn. It is true. You really
need to have a good read to make the decision for check folding or check
calling river. If like you said "loose donk may choose to shove river with
most of his range", then our decision becomes easy--close you eyes and call.
There are a lot of factor needs to be considered at river, such as " does
he turn pocket 6s into a bluff by shoving river?", "does he 2 barrel bluff
complete air on turn and river?", "does bobo's ... 阅读全帖 |
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c****1 发帖数: 457 | 16 5/10 game.
hero (1700) 3 bet 4 times and win them all without showdown, villain (~2000)
is a decent LAG regular, 3 bet a couple of times, and call others' 3-bet
almost 80% of times (but fold to c-bet about 60%), very aggressive and like
to steal and make big bet bluff.
preflop: all fold to button villain, who raise to 35. hero at BB with 4h9h,
3-bet to 80. The idea is that, players at the table give hero's 3 bet too
much credit and most likely perceive hero's 3-bet range at high end (two
high ... 阅读全帖 |
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p****r 发帖数: 9164 | 17 it depends on lots of factors. For hu game, studying your opp is always the
first thing you want to do. Start to think your opp's tendency when start
the first hand in the match. If you are in postion , you may raise bluff
these weak donk bet often with total air. But once they called, I do not
like to fire second barrel often unless my hand improves since for 25BB
structure, it is too commited after the calling the raise and nobody like to
fold anything.
Pay attendtion to image and dy... 阅读全帖 |
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c****1 发帖数: 457 | 18 这是我见到的最aggressive的女牌手(电视上的那些女pro不算)。我觉得他挺有气质
的,这张照片看起来可能凶了一点。
打的是5/10 game,9人桌,她在seat7, 我在seat9,所以正好是脸对脸。我对她有位置
,所以她玩的pot我牌不太差的话都玩,然后遇到tough decision的时候我就盯着她看
。我大pot bluff她的时候她也看我。整个下午,抓了她一个大bluff,bluff她一次大
的,show给她看了。其余双方non-showdown bluff不知道有多少。反正是我打的最特别
的一个session,几乎就和她一个人玩。哦,对了,那个session我的一个K6 suited 5
bet preflop 把大家气的够呛(river hit flush了)。 |
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d*****0 发帖数: 1500 | 19 does LHE have concept of value bet thin too? What was the river-bet to pot
ratio in that hand? fish me still can not understand the weak river bluff
from villain. what hand did he want to drive off? Fish me think, in most
cases, hero sends one more bet to the made NUTs and in some rare cases
villain might bluff with better hands. Can teacher Tan explain the
difference between NLHE bluff and LHE bluff. |
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I**n 发帖数: 839 | 20 You are right. That's what exactly I felt after the hand. Overall I am too
intimidated. Then came the next hand.
4)Middle position I called his open with AQTT with QT suited. A few callers.
I had 3k and he got me well covered. Flop AJ9 with AJ my suit. He checked
and I pot with 100, only he called. Turn blank he pot before me. Now I had
open ended straight flush draw. Should I call, pot, fold? First hand I
really contemplated. He smiled, "this could be the biggest pot tonight".
Then he said "Jac... 阅读全帖 |
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c*****t 发帖数: 817 | 21 亮bluff没啥好处。因为holdem你大部分时候手里都是垃圾。fold equity是重要武器。
你老亮bluff等于主动减少自己的fold equity。属于自宫行为。而且人本能反感
bluffer。这种情况一桌子的人都喜欢搞你。打着也不愉快。
我个人偶尔喜欢亮nuts。比如,别人fold了,我亮出nuts鼓励地说good read。这样自
己的table image变好以后更容易bluff。因为人的心理都更愿意fold给亮nuts的人。另
外根本不用担心你下把拿到nuts的时候收不到value。一来大多数人fold不掉的还是
fold不掉。二来你增加bluff的频率自然就把减少的value补回来了。 |
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d*****0 发帖数: 1500 | 22 来自主题: TexasHoldem版 - 说把牌吧
Those
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into
哥觉得
proud of sucking out ~~ looks stupid
proud of bluffing ~~ looks stupid
proud of hero call ~~ looks stupid
proud of session winnings ~~ still looks stupid
proud of long term winning ~~ well, nothing really to be proud of
反过来,被suckout、被bluff、被抓bluff、连着session输钱、整个poker career输钱
,也不是什么丢脸的事情,玩家还在意这些个事,只能说明,撇开技术,玩家的心理上
,还没有真正的ready来玩winning poker。
holdem有5张公牌,不发到最后一张,绝大多数牌局都会有变数。无论输赢,重视自己
的决策思考过程,放弃对牌力的bias(AK对上27都要3把输一把),淡然面对结果,是
想要长期盈利玩家的必经之路。
可是,对于绝大多数的玩家来说,poker的乐趣就是来自于suckout、b... 阅读全帖 |
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w***w 发帖数: 6301 | 23 有可能是他一贯就是这么打的。我见到有些weak/tight牌手,拿到NUTS也是bet那
么一点。可能是心理不够强,比如怕打的大了别人会fold。而且他拿到nuts也是weak
bet,那他拿到弱一点的牌bet的时候,别人也不太敢bluff他。因为从他的bet看不出他
牌是强是弱。所以是一种弱势牌手的自我保护打法。
induce bluff虽然也有可能,但是那种打法在1/2NL game很少见,因为1/2NL就是打的
比较直白,bluff的频率比较低。induce的结果多数得不赏失。
而且induce的人其打法是会变化的。就是有时induce,有时直白打。如果老是induce,
早就给别人看透了。
当然如果他一直这么weak bet on nuts,还是有人要去bluff他,就是那个bluffer
傻到送钱给他。 |
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p******a 发帖数: 975 | 24 Villian is a very solid reg on ACR, a little bit on the nitty side. I've
played over 2k hands with him. So, he should have some read on me as well.
He opens UTG, range about 20, which is kind of wide. I call on the button
with 55, completely standard.
Flop AQQ. He checks on the flop OOP.
He is a little bit nitty on the flop, also since I am very aggressive, I
assume he can check all his weak Ace, any pocket pair on this flop. Since
this flop is very dry, I expect him to bet his nothing hand.I ha... 阅读全帖 |
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c*****t 发帖数: 817 | 25 我觉得那手AJ在paired aced board上打的是不可原谅。牌打成这样活该滚蛋。
你跟一个高手打,拿着明三条想赢大钱不是那么容易的。一般只能1)induce bluff. 2
)人家拿到冤家牌正好比你小一点.3)让人家觉得你在bluff所以要hero call你。他的打
法能满足哪条?基本就是条我常见的1/2桌上的肥鱼--拿了明三然后被暗三干翻了,还很
无奈的对旁边
的我说"there is nothing I can do. I got a great hand. Fucking poker."。我每
次都一边偷笑一边安慰他们说“yeah. you did nothing wrong. It was just the
fucking cards."这些人不明白,value bet/raise的原因不是因为你大。而是因为比你
小的牌会call你。AJ在paired ace board上虽然很大。但是是没法value reraise的。
Newhouse打的风度非常好。两个big laydown都只想了20秒。而且他扔的都非常自信。
说实在,最烦那些要扔又不扔。然后盯着人家的脸看... 阅读全帖 |
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p****0 发帖数: 611 | 26 有点意思。 不过我觉得这个军规是对所有的人的bluff的概括。 具体到个人,可能只
需用其中一条即可。 但是哪条可以用呢? 这得具体观查那个人bluff的时候的tell了
。 比如第3条,我发现我在bluff的时候,多半不说话,而是在bluff之前说很多。 但
是我意识到此之后,会刻意地反着做。 所以如果遇到player比较balance他的move的话
,这些规则可能又不适用了。
唬。 |
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w***w 发帖数: 6301 | 27 river是我肯定fold。
1/2 NL绝大多数人没有NUTS是不会allin的。你river已经出straight对方如果只有个3
,他敢allin?他不怕别人有3,6或boat?
再说对方flop check, turn re-raise,很大可能flop只是slow play。也有一小部分
可能是bluff。但是river 对手allin就把bluff的可能排除了。
turn对方没有极大的牌是不敢re-raise的。
总之1/2下注和牌力挂钩很紧的。敢bluff的只是极少数。敢bluff还总能得手的很快就
上2/5去了。
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w***w 发帖数: 6301 | 28 你这个bluff 10个人里面只有一个会fold。
这个人前面flop fold flush and straight draw,total 12 outs,即使你flop是
straight他也有一半机会beat你。这样weak的我还从来没见过。所以我看了你的牌,第
一反应也是allin to bluff他。既然前面已经call了那么多了。
但是这么bluff碰上其他人绝对找死。1/2 NL live一大堆donk。
ps river straight draw牌面, so bluff is more look real, but still think
more than 50%
people will call in this situation.Pay 180 to get 600. |
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w***w 发帖数: 6301 | 29 没有一个明确的结论是应该allin bluff还是不应该。或者应不应该call allin to
catch bluff.
这个完全是根据水平不同而不同的。在 1/2 NL live的水平,因为太多的donk, 所以
用allin 来 bluff, 可能会吓走水平高一点的对手,但是却会死在很多水平差的对手
身上。所以长期来说是很大的负EV。也因此而比较少见。
但是我相信在高一级两级的台子上,allin bluff成功的概率会高一些,出现的频率也
会多一些。 |
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W********m 发帖数: 7793 | 30 这个因人而异了。 看对手有没有rebluff or 连续bluff 的能力。 live player 很喜
欢raise for info。 缺点是对手可以fold bluff hand, only continue better hand
, play perfectly against you. 个人感觉,对手越polarize,越不应该raise for
info. 对手如果value range 比较广倒可以考虑。 reraise 有时候会bluff 掉一点对
手的slightly better hand, 有时候freeze action 反而起到pot control 的效果。
打牌这东西,因为对手未知, range 会变,有时候没有绝对正确答案。
就这把牌来说, 对手A5 cold 4 bet, 我感觉as played 应该是最profitable 的。
这个river, 如果他miss 了, 对手应该很大% 会bluff, 。
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w***w 发帖数: 6301 | 31 我来总结两位的思路。
1.如果判断对方是中等牌力(中对,Ax),4bet/shove比较好。
原因:对方fold equity加自己不错的equity。out of position。
2.如果判断对方是两头极端牌(强对或bluff),call比较好。
原因:可以从bluff得到更大value,碰上强对也不太吃亏。
lz判断对方是两头极端牌,因为对方在flop不愿意call。
我觉得对方在turn的bet太弱。如果我拿强对,我会在turn shove,因为borad上太湿,
我不愿意对方从draw上得到好处。如果我是bluff,我就不会在意这一点。
对方的turn bet size,好像故意留些子弹到river继续bluff。
所以lz从这里继续call下去就更合理。 |
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q****8 发帖数: 3281 | 32 1.何谓疯鱼?不停的Open,别人check他就bet,别人bet他就raise,这种鱼的钱是最好
挣的。是不是疯鱼,在一桌转个1到2圈就能看出来。但是且慢,在你行动之前,最好先
看2手牌的showdown,一首他bluff时如何打,一首他有强牌时如何打,最起码看到一首
,先有一定的read很重要。
2.原则一:强牌慢打。这点很多人知道,但此时强牌的标准要相应降低很多。
3.原则二:弱牌早放。Flop call一下看看,这是很多人的想法,但你要想到下2条街
他的重注。如果有read疯鱼是在bluff, 就把弱牌当bluff打,参见原则三。
4.原则三:疯鱼是可以被bluff的,这点很多人忽视。疯鱼不是calling station,当你
显示强实力时,他会fold。当你总是hit不到时怎么办?就用此法赚钱。
附上三手牌,都是昨晚对同一疯鱼。 |
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x*******0 发帖数: 94 | 33 我觉得utg open raise 但flop不cbet本身就满可疑的。我觉得NL600这个级别的对手基
本都有一点水平,什么cbet还是会的。 在一个AKK那么dry的flop check明显已经有非
常强的牌了,如果他check range很可能已经在最少有个K的位置,试问他open raise,
他的range会是什么?
Pair, AX,KQ,?flop AKK, utg 如果有A,那么他会 bet,如果有pair,可能会bet
,但是check了,太可疑了,是我,我会check behind。 我觉得check会比较好,看他
turn什么action。俗话说weak is strong,strong is weak。试问当你flop nuts or
monster的时候 基本都是check call,希望对方有点货。 所以他check 如果你check,
也可以present 你有A大kicker 或者有K,主要楼主你的牌力太弱,只有4 outs 去拿个
strong hand且不是nuts,拿到可能性比较低,所以投入那么多钱去semi bluff不值得。
且你flop g... 阅读全帖 |
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w***w 发帖数: 6301 | 34 我就猜你没怎么打online。
online和live的主要区别:
1.
online基本上是打6-max。
live都是10人台。
2.
online发牌速度是live的3倍多。
3.所以在单位时间内online每位牌手和其他每位对手的交锋次数是live的5倍。
同时由于6max人数少,牌手进锅的牌力低于live,所以bluff的频率比live高很多。战
斗也比live激烈很多。相比之下,live打牌更依赖手上的牌力。(live的特点就是
action=牌力)
比如你一说起来,就是他怎么打,就代表手上是什么牌,听起来就很绝对。就像是live
的路子。
online不是这个思路。
online很多纯bluff,从一手牌说,这种纯bluff可能是负EV,但是从几十手,几百手来
看,这首bluff被call,却给以后大牌value bet创造条件。
live你要同样这样打你可能今天往后的时间很难拿到大牌,或你拿到大牌却碰不到同一
个对手。online就没有这个担忧。因为我前面说过,online发牌速度是live的3倍多,
同一对手交锋次数是live的5倍。
比如cbet的问题,从onlin... 阅读全帖 |
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w***w 发帖数: 6301 | 35 我认为fold是+ev的。因为有nuts才allin的远远比用allin bluff的多。所以你call 10
次,撞板大概能有8次到9次。
因为第一他不知道对方牌怎么样,也许人家也是nuts。第二即使人家不是nuts,他不
能确定人家是不是会fold second nuts。楼上说这牌你绝对不应该fold。好,如果对手
也这么认为,那他bluff的理由在哪里?
第3,他喜欢搞这套的话,很容易被别人exploit。其实看穿他并不需要他showdown,类
似的情况多出现一两次,别人就会怀疑他。
我也经常遇到这种扮nuts来bluff别人强牌的。基本上都是来打几把就走,在台上留长
点时间就被别人清了。
所以这个打法偶尔用一次算高招。多用几次就是鱼。
你也不可能不被bluff。
我对付这种打法就是开始2,3次让他。
再来就call。同时慢打强牌。 |
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d*****0 发帖数: 1500 | 36 根据对手风格? 对手什么风格? loose,agg, open range wide,你有看他每次都是
真的有牌吗? 4bet 在lag那里就是nuts吗? 你觉得他是nuts,为什么不能是bluff呢
? 好的lag 通常都是拿着有showdown value牌在那里大bet。 事实你自己把别人定位
在nuts,你能无理由的相信别人能拿nuts,别人all in你就怂了。 你想想这把牌,对
方怎么能把lz定位在river 顺子的牌面呢,对方无非就觉得楼主最多有个破两对。 那
他all in表达他有顺子明显是good bluff。 但你在无论是从牌力上 还是从pot size上
都无法fold的牌上选择去fold一把牌, 那你以后怎么打。
---- 我指的是对手的thinking level,并不是简单的紧凶松弱,简单的例子,有的时
候看似很凶的对手,可能遭遇反抗的时候,就有开溜的tendency,而看似紧弱的玩家也
会突然做出出乎意料的bluff。对于这手牌例,对手可能觉得,老湿虽然show了
strength,但是拿nuts的%不大,并且capable在没有nuts的情况下fol... 阅读全帖 |
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h******g 发帖数: 100 | 37 OK, I will post some thoughts but I don't recall exactly what I wrote so
this will be different...
I do agree with you that your opponent's range is highly polarized but I
also feel that you made your analysis mainly trying to justify your call. We
(me included) all have tendency to defend our decision (especially when it'
s wrong) that's why I am trying not to be result oriented when analyzing
hands.
Over the years, what I learned is that right decisions and right calls are
not necessarily the ... 阅读全帖 |
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T*********k 发帖数: 1621 | 38 跟 villain 以前只同桌过一次,应该是一个 average tight 的 player。只有两副牌
有印象,一副是他拿了 quads,一路 check call,把一个 aggro 给 stack 了,属于
monster 的标准打法。另一副牌他 heavy bet a Q J 9 flop ,然后 fold to 400
raise,他摊出来 AA,人家 show 34s。
这次同桌,看了他几首牌:
1. 他 call 3 bet 很 loose,几乎大多数情况都会 call
2. 打法有些 tricky,而且一个很大的特点是喜欢 OOP bet into raiser。 因为几乎
没有 showdown,所以我不知道他 bet into raiser 的牌力如何。只好根据我以前经验
,即 bet into raiser 的牌力一般都是中等偏下,monster 的可能性比较低。
3. 有 bluff,看到他一副牌 river bluff 200 on missed draw,给人抓了。
在这之前刚跟他打了一副牌,7 8 T x T 的 board,我 A 7 nut flus... 阅读全帖 |
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p**g 发帖数: 143 | 39 我认为Reraise on turn有心理作用,当然还有一张牌在后面也是个变数
: 一直觉得language bluff或者引别人bluff很好,虽然感觉用不好会像双棱箭,
但一旦
: 特殊情况用一下说不定能起到很好的效果。有个搞笑的例子,2/3的桌子,曾经
看到一
: 个人flop 中了k set,和那个犹豫不决在read他的人(A)互相说了大概10分钟的
话,成
: 功让A相信他的3bet是bluff bet,然后reraise all in, turn10, river 9,A的
J
: Qsuit 成功配对成顺子,赢了2200的pot。
: this hand, the big blind should put me on pair or big A, a 250 reraise
to
: position my hand and for a 380 pot is not bad . If I reraise to 600,
the
: pot will be 1130. Chance he call is 5... 阅读全帖 |
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c*****a 发帖数: 1638 | 40 人家不代表高的观点很正常吧。她发帖当然高知道,但是为什么他们夫妻就一定要有一
样的观点,我真的没看出来。比如可能高觉得要咨询律师再说哈,老婆咽不下这口气,
不想等,一定要说哈。为什么你会认为只要高知情,他就一定和他老婆的意见100%一致
,你和我理一理这个逻辑?
我真的没觉得有任何特别的理由支持:那个“100%”是高的观点。另外,人家老婆不代
表高的观点,也不说明人家夫妻就一定要观点相反吧?我觉得这个论坛上多数人都持有
和高的太太类似的观点,难道我们就代表了高的观点?
要按你这种逻辑呢,我是不是也可以说这个发帖的LZ“fitandrun”也有不少问题:
“这团队。。。不管他的wife是不是真不代表高某的观点,我觉得这是个bad move. 你
是在bluff,还是要恐吓谁啊,呵呵。”。
我想知道,如果高某打算bluff或者恐吓,他打算得到什么呢?难道某经理还敢请他,
请高某的话他还敢去?难道某经理就弱智到会直接写张支票投降吗?如果这点不可能的
话,高某有什么理由bluff或者恐吓呢?如果高某不是bluff或者恐吓,那么你这个恶意
猜测是不是显得人品很有问题呢?这个是不是我们叫做莫须有或... 阅读全帖 |
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c****u 发帖数: 3277 | 41 Well, you really should make up your mind before you make a play.
If you want to induce a bluff, you have to call it down, otherwise, it's not
to induce a bluff, it's that you are bluffed out of a huge pot.
Against loose players, you frequently want to valuebet here with trips
cause he would pay you off with any two pairs or top pairs, even midpairs
sometimes. If you can't really call his all in bluff, you still should
bet here, thus he just can't bluff you out of the pot, cause he didn't have
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c****u 发帖数: 3277 | 42 it's a matter of frequency. Suppose you suspect it's a monster hand 5%
a bluff 50%, and you only have a bluff catcher hand, certainly you should
at least call any normal sized bets. However, sometimes, your bluff catcher
can be beaten by his bluff hands, like 30%,
like bottom pair beaten by bottom pair
with better kicker. You should thus raise so that he just can't call you
down with that type of hands. If your raise gets called, or reraised,
you can be happy to fold, that happens only 5%, the o |
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m*****t 发帖数: 16663 | 43 你的位置很重要。
我上次比赛就遇到了这种情况,一个player pre-flop raise, 两家跟,我毫不犹豫就
fold了AJ,翻牌翻出来一张A,我就知道我fold对了。果然最后人家的AK赢牌,这个牌
麻烦就麻烦在你pair任何一张都有不小可能是输牌,打比赛很少有乱打的人,被raise
的牌,只有有人call,就一定要设想对手中有AK,AQ,KK,AA这些牌,这些牌都是可以
清盘你的chips的牌。如果看到多家call,不要玩这手是最明智的。
不要总想着被bluff,打比赛,高手玩牌,bluff都是要看位置,pool的大小,和当时牌
面情况的,没有人乱bluff,少赢一次不会死,但是大输一局就出局了。
我为啥说cash可以打,因为cash你可以无限制re-buy, 概率上这是长期赢面大的好牌,
但是也仅限于去看一下牌,遇到大的raise还是应该明智fold. |
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W*****B 发帖数: 4796 | 44 古代印加帝国的祭祀真尼玛残忍。
Exclusive: Ancient Mass Child Sacrifice May Be World's Largest -
National Geographic
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Exclusive: Ancient Mass Child Sacrifice May Be World's Largest
More than 140 children were ritually killed in a single event in Peru more
than 500 years ago. What could possibly have been the reason?
Evidence for the largest single incident of mass child sacrifice in the
Americas— and likely in world history—has been discovered on Peru's
northern coast, ... 阅读全帖 |
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发帖数: 1 | 45 When Trump's bluff is called, he bluffs even bigger, hope opponents can be
scared away. Yet this big bluff gets called again, because he is not
difficult to be seen through. Eventually he will go all-in, which is leads a
total-destruction. |
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l****z 发帖数: 29846 | 46 The spenders are negotiating among themselves how much debt they’re going
to burden you with.
There is something surreal and unnerving about the so-called “debt ceiling
” negotiations staggering on in Washington. In the real world, negotiations
on an increase in one’s debt limit are conducted between the borrower and
the lender. Only in Washington is a debt increase negotiated between two
groups of borrowers.
Actually, it’s more accurate to call them two groups of spenders. On the
one side are O... 阅读全帖 |
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f****a 发帖数: 4708 | 47 msrp包括了destination charge $875。
其实没砍价,我就用了truecar一下,看到vw $2000的cash incentive 7/8过期,准备
去dublin vw(报价最低)那里去试试运气。然后这个capital vw就打电话过来套近乎
,我说我要 TDI sports w/o nav。他说他去查查inventory,十分钟后打回。我说您尽
快,如果没人接电话那我就在路上了。然后我bluff了一下,说dublin vw给了42000的
报价(其实truecar是42495)。他回电说可以做到41800。然后他说整个bay area一共
三辆 TDI sports w/o nav,option不太一样,MSRP也不一样。最后选了那个带trailer
hitch的(因为我买OEM parts自己装,零件价格也要$495),颜色也是我中意的深蓝。
车已经提了,散包子到班上攒bluff人品。
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L*****e 发帖数: 8347 | 48 counter offer或者compete offer,不管是哪部分高一点,也不管是整体高一点甚至整
体低一点,关键在于,如果你去negotiate的这家,如果不给你涨offer,你就很有可能
拒掉它而去接受competing offer。你的底牌越硬,你可negotiate的余地就越大。当然
,你也可以bluff一下,不过对方吃不吃这一套就不好说了。
从long term来讲,不建议bluff,因为如果你接受了offer,你是要在该HM手下讨生活
的,bluff弄来的那点小利,还不如在HM那里有个好印象,对你将来在team里的发展有
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b***b 发帖数: 13249 | 49 Sign! 在美国,最最不要怕谁告诉你犯法了。A lot of people bluff you by
telling you are violating laws.
我的经历, 其实很简单。
1. 一个下水道坏了,粪便到处都是,开始bluffing我,说我造成了环境污染,情况及其
极其严重,修管子,除粪便, 7000. 这种人就是先bluff you,然后 take advantage
of your fear! 后来找了个850的修好了。
2.前天,City Inspector 打电话来,说我的垃圾桶有hazard, 说我装修 violate law,
blah, blah...... 我一顿批---- 你不能做judge 说我 violate law, don't put
this big judgement on me. I did nothing wrong. If you think I did something
wrong ,show me the right way without bluffing.今天,这个 inspector 对我非常
好,很帮忙!
3. Tw... 阅读全帖 |
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g******4 发帖数: 6339 | 50 Top 100 elementary schools in Illinois
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State rank 2009-2010 rank change** 2010 percentile Percentile change School District City County % low income
1 0 89.71 -6.93 Decatur * Chicago SD 299 Chicago Cook 18.1
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3 0 80.65 -12.99 Lenart* Chicago SD 299 Chicago Cook 22.9
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