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m****6
发帖数: 354 | 2 摘抄：
PETA had a bigger plan and it was to stop the Animal Rescue Act and they
made an example out of Caboodle.
"Florida legislatures are currently considering a bill that would force
state animal shelters who euthanize to hand over animals to privately-run,
no-kill facilities like Caboodle Ranch."
Did you even bother to read the Bill or did you just let PETA write the
article for you? This Bill would save lives in Florida, a state where over
100,000 cats and dogs were put down at "shelters" rathe... 阅读全帖 |
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m**n
发帖数: 9010 | 3 那个petition是要"Free Craig Grant and Open Caboodle Ranch".
是不是该Free Craig Grant and Open Caboodle Ranch, 是取决于
Craig Grant以及他的Caboodle Ranch的具体情况, 不取决于
peta多么恶劣.
ABUSE
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m****6
发帖数: 354 | 4 摘抄：
PETA had a bigger plan and it was to stop the Animal Rescue Act and they
made an example out of Caboodle.
"Florida legislatures are currently considering a bill that would force
state animal shelters who euthanize to hand over animals to privately-run,
no-kill facilities like Caboodle Ranch."
Did you even bother to read the Bill or did you just let PETA write the
article for you? This Bill would save lives in Florida, a state where over
100,000 cats and dogs were put down at "shelters" rathe... 阅读全帖 |
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m**n
发帖数: 9010 | 5 那个petition是要"Free Craig Grant and Open Caboodle Ranch".
是不是该Free Craig Grant and Open Caboodle Ranch, 是取决于
Craig Grant以及他的Caboodle Ranch的具体情况, 不取决于
peta多么恶劣.
ABUSE
15 |
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S*P
发帖数: 7575 | 6 看看YOUTUBE上的留言：
Thanks for the rescue ASPCA, but ...
so many cats need a new home now. This will be difficult for ASPCA.
I see the problem in the overpopulation of cats.
People should castrate their cats!
natija08 2 days ago 5
has proof of his continued efforts to get as many of the animals vetted as
possible and never give up on them. Is this true? I have no way of knowing.
The courts will see receipts, documents, hear witnesses, and be able to find
one way or another if this was someone... 阅读全帖 |
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yo
发帖数: 2534 | 7 不同意PETA的立场，他们在很多campaign里取证手法都很极端，录像里的状况也可能是
比较极端的情况，但是看了这个录像之后，也没法支持Caboodle Ranch和它的主人，个
人真的很希望录像的场景是假的，但是Caboodle Ranch的发言人没有否认录像是在那里
拍的，反而转而攻击PETA的政治目标。事实上PETA根本就没有参与农场的raid，是佛州
当地十几个救援所，UF兽医系的工作人员，和一些当地兽医一起前去的，这么多第三方
组织和个人不可能全都心怀鬼胎，如果对PETA的证据表示怀疑，可以多等两天，看看后
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S*P
发帖数: 7575 | 8 看看YOUTUBE上的留言：
Thanks for the rescue ASPCA, but ...
so many cats need a new home now. This will be difficult for ASPCA.
I see the problem in the overpopulation of cats.
People should castrate their cats!
natija08 2 days ago 5
has proof of his continued efforts to get as many of the animals vetted as
possible and never give up on them. Is this true? I have no way of knowing.
The courts will see receipts, documents, hear witnesses, and be able to find
one way or another if this was someone... 阅读全帖 |
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yo
发帖数: 2534 | 9 不同意PETA的立场，他们在很多campaign里取证手法都很极端，录像里的状况也可能是
比较极端的情况，但是看了这个录像之后，也没法支持Caboodle Ranch和它的主人，个
人真的很希望录像的场景是假的，但是Caboodle Ranch的发言人没有否认录像是在那里
拍的，反而转而攻击PETA的政治目标。事实上PETA根本就没有参与农场的raid，是佛州
当地十几个救援所，UF兽医系的工作人员，和一些当地兽医一起前去的，这么多第三方
组织和个人不可能全都心怀鬼胎，如果对PETA的证据表示怀疑，可以多等两天，看看后
续再作结论。 |
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H********e
发帖数: 130 | 11 WhattoExpect 网站发信收到的：
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to the shopping bag. Enter the promo code "WTECHRISTMAS" and it will bring
your product total on a Car Seat Canopy to $0 and $29.95 on any Whole
Caboodle Set!
Shop now!
原件49.95， 输入code后免费，要收运费。 |
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y*********u
发帖数: 14561 | 18 我读了LZ的链接，这里是里面的摘抄。农场的主人给猫猫提供必要的MEDICAL CARE么？
同时里面提到主人不给猫咪做绝育，那么700多只猫就会成指数增长，生活条件越来越
恶劣。这里说ASPCA在给病猫进行治疗，共有125个义工和VET参加。
我坚决反对把猫带走直接处死，但如果以下介绍属实，这家农场里的猫确实需要pull
出来进行绝育和治疗。我有看漏什么么？
"This is a tragic situation. Caboodle Ranch was clearly overwhelmed with
hundreds of cats in dire need of medical treatment,” says Tim Rickey,
Senior Director of the ASPCA’s Field Investigations and Response team. “
The sanctuary had no adoption or spay/neuter programs in place to manage its
current population.”
The c... 阅读全帖 |
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t*****u
发帖数: 8966 | 19 啊！这个caboodle ranch很有名的，非常好的猫咪的场所，猫咪都是户外的，相当于一
个超大的猫公园，里面很多猫房，就像一个小城镇一样的
为啥？挨着他们什么事了？？？！！！ |
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b******s
发帖数: 5365 | 20 我同意有些网友的意见:
Should we focus our energy on the countless shelters and county pounds who
have a 90%+ kill rate, or should we focus our attention on the shelters and
rescues who are saving 90%+ of the animals? Doesn’t it make sense to focus
on what IS working and move towards that model- rather than focusing on what
’s not working and dwelling on what isn’t being done on behalf of the
animals.
PETA chose to close down Caboodle Ranch and seize the hundreds of cats
instead of providing proper interve... 阅读全帖 |
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m****6
发帖数: 354 | 21 摘抄：
The cats were seen by a local vet, AND a vet came from elsewhere to help
spay and neuter cats. Volunteered his time. Caboodle Ranch worked regularly
with the local vet, and local animal control, and was in compliance.
Yes, he was overwhelmed. But he was doing more than anyone could have
expected of him, and he was doing everything right.
Stop believing PETA's propaganda. That PETA volunteer who took that footage
is the one who was supposed to be giving medicine to the cat with the
infected e... 阅读全帖 |
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m**n
发帖数: 9010 | 22 双方都可以说对方是propaganda.
关键问题还是, 农场的具体情况是否符合一般可以接受的标准.
至于Caboodle Ranch是不是在"doing more than anyone could have
expected of him", 这个不重要. 如果他真的是"was overwhelmed"而使得
猫们的生存环境降低到可以接受的标准之下了的话, 现在就是帮助他停下来
的时候了.
regularly
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m****6
发帖数: 354 | 23 这次PETA之所以要这么做，是因为“Florida legislatures are currently
considering a bill that would force state animal shelters who euthanize to
hand over animals to privately-run,no-kill facilities like Caboodle Ranch.”
所以处心积虑地安排了一个女的自愿者进农场，用了长达6个月的时间，专门录相，拍
照状态不太好的猫咪和发生洪流后农场的状况，已经一些早就废弃不用的设施等，恶心
这个猫咪乐园，实在是卑鄙至极。 |
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yo
发帖数: 2534 | 24 This is the actual video of the Caboodle Ranch cats taken by PETA
investigators, please note it's really hard to watch through: |
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s****r
发帖数: 5546 | 25 这个所谓动物权益组织的PETA根本就是少部分真心喜欢动物的人混在大部分
以动物权益名义给自己赚钱谋生的工具而已。这个Caboodle Ranch如果
真像PETA说的地狱一般，他们的卧底为什么要在那待6个月之后才扫荡CR?
难道如他们所说的那么恶劣的环境不应该两三个礼拜就收集到足够的证据吗？
这个简单的逻辑说的通吗？实际上显然还是因为Florida那个法案断了这些
无能无耻人的财路PETA才拿CR做样本试图用一个人入狱和几百条猫的性命
阻止法案。 |
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y*********u
发帖数: 14561 | 28 我读了LZ的链接，这里是里面的摘抄。农场的主人给猫猫提供必要的MEDICAL CARE么？
同时里面提到主人不给猫咪做绝育，那么700多只猫就会成指数增长，生活条件越来越
恶劣。这里说ASPCA在给病猫进行治疗，共有125个义工和VET参加。
我坚决反对把猫带走直接处死，但如果以下介绍属实，这家农场里的猫确实需要pull
出来进行绝育和治疗。我有看漏什么么？
"This is a tragic situation. Caboodle Ranch was clearly overwhelmed with
hundreds of cats in dire need of medical treatment,” says Tim Rickey,
Senior Director of the ASPCA’s Field Investigations and Response team. “
The sanctuary had no adoption or spay/neuter programs in place to manage its
current population.”
The c... 阅读全帖 |
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t*****u
发帖数: 8966 | 29 啊！这个caboodle ranch很有名的，非常好的猫咪的场所，猫咪都是户外的，相当于一
个超大的猫公园，里面很多猫房，就像一个小城镇一样的
为啥？挨着他们什么事了？？？！！！ |
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b******s
发帖数: 5365 | 30 我同意有些网友的意见:
Should we focus our energy on the countless shelters and county pounds who
have a 90%+ kill rate, or should we focus our attention on the shelters and
rescues who are saving 90%+ of the animals? Doesn’t it make sense to focus
on what IS working and move towards that model- rather than focusing on what
’s not working and dwelling on what isn’t being done on behalf of the
animals.
PETA chose to close down Caboodle Ranch and seize the hundreds of cats
instead of providing proper interve... 阅读全帖 |
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m****6
发帖数: 354 | 31 摘抄：
The cats were seen by a local vet, AND a vet came from elsewhere to help
spay and neuter cats. Volunteered his time. Caboodle Ranch worked regularly
with the local vet, and local animal control, and was in compliance.
Yes, he was overwhelmed. But he was doing more than anyone could have
expected of him, and he was doing everything right.
Stop believing PETA's propaganda. That PETA volunteer who took that footage
is the one who was supposed to be giving medicine to the cat with the
infected e... 阅读全帖 |
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m**n
发帖数: 9010 | 32 双方都可以说对方是propaganda.
关键问题还是, 农场的具体情况是否符合一般可以接受的标准.
至于Caboodle Ranch是不是在"doing more than anyone could have
expected of him", 这个不重要. 如果他真的是"was overwhelmed"而使得
猫们的生存环境降低到可以接受的标准之下了的话, 现在就是帮助他停下来
的时候了.
regularly
footage |
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m****6
发帖数: 354 | 33 这次PETA之所以要这么做，是因为“Florida legislatures are currently
considering a bill that would force state animal shelters who euthanize to
hand over animals to privately-run,no-kill facilities like Caboodle Ranch.”
所以处心积虑地安排了一个女的自愿者进农场，用了长达6个月的时间，专门录相，拍
照状态不太好的猫咪和发生洪流后农场的状况，已经一些早就废弃不用的设施等，恶心
这个猫咪乐园，实在是卑鄙至极。 |
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yo
发帖数: 2534 | 34 This is the actual video of the Caboodle Ranch cats taken by PETA
investigators, please note it's really hard to watch through: |
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s****r
发帖数: 5546 | 35 这个所谓动物权益组织的PETA根本就是少部分真心喜欢动物的人混在大部分
以动物权益名义给自己赚钱谋生的工具而已。这个Caboodle Ranch如果
真像PETA说的地狱一般，他们的卧底为什么要在那待6个月之后才扫荡CR?
难道如他们所说的那么恶劣的环境不应该两三个礼拜就收集到足够的证据吗？
这个简单的逻辑说的通吗？实际上显然还是因为Florida那个法案断了这些
无能无耻人的财路PETA才拿CR做样本试图用一个人入狱和几百条猫的性命
阻止法案。 |
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N******t
发帖数: 16051 | 36 关于和稀泥这事吧，我又想了想
有的事是我阅历浅，没见识过，看大家争论也没啥感觉either way，比如怎么养狗怎么
养娃
有的事是我没有考古或者证据不足，没法贸然做结论，比如caboodle ranch主人是否罪
至判刑，比如小熊爹的歧视言论，小熊帖我都没怎么follow因为照片太大总死机 -_-
有的事我认为自己足够knowledgable to judge也有鲜明意见的，比如T猫弃养，小鸟断
腿，pets2，还有一次和豆腐妈为了啥事来着有点小冲突，那都必须开口——不过我觉
得大方说开了就不该有过节，皮皮爸和豆腐妈他们都非常赞。
如果网上的criticism不是constructive，那对谁有什么好处呢？本意不是歧视，说人
歧视，是在打一场不必要的战争。本意是歧视，争个水落石出，难道人就能打心眼里从
此不再歧视？对于后者，要我就bs一下撒撒气直接move on，从此不再交集，没什么好
说的。
不过我相信绝大部分人都是好人，尤其是爱小动物的。。。网上看人太容易片面太容易
武断，生活中的小事，网上也可能一言不合擦出火星，所以干嘛要把人往坏处想呢？我
觉得老宋挺好的，没见过他言辞激愤的... 阅读全帖 |
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