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k**********i
发帖数: 8706
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来自主题: GunsAndGears版 - 308 reload question
So about the solutions:
1. Turn the full length sizing die one more turn deeper to move the shoulder
position?
or
2. Get a small base die to move the shoulder position?
Because I found some information mentioned both:
From RCBS:
Q. I see a Small Base Die Set listed for my caliber. Do I need these or
should I buy a Full Length Die Set or Neck Die Set? How does each set differ?
A. The Small Base Die set is intended for use for ammunition to be used in
auto, semi-auto, and lever action rifles so th... 阅读全帖
f*********n
发帖数: 11154
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来自主题: GunsAndGears版 - Article on Surplus Ammo
http://www.ammoland.com/2010/10/13/surplus-ammunition/
The term “surplus” simply means an over supply; yet when used in
conjunction with militaria or pretty much anything to do with the
military, it often evokes used equipment or to some a substandard
product.
This most certainly isn’t the norm when discussing surplus ammunition,
and in fact, a lot of military ammo could be considered far superior to
the commercial grade ammo in the same calibers.
...
Today surplus ammo comes in many shapes, siz... 阅读全帖
f*********n
发帖数: 11154
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http://www.examiner.com/national-parks-in-national/guns-parks-r
One year ago today, on February 22, 2010, the National Park Service lifted
the ban on carrying concealed weapons in the parks for those who have
permits to do so.
The change came about when the Credit Card Accountability, Responsibility
and Disclosure Act was signed into law on May 22, 2009. The bill contained
a line item added at the last moment by a Republican senator, specifically
allowing people with concealed carry permits to ... 阅读全帖
f*********n
发帖数: 11154
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来自主题: GunsAndGears版 - 谁自己做过Hollow point
You don't justify your choice of caliber because any caliber is capable of
dealing death. If any lawyer argues that 45 is excessive, then they can
sue any law enforcement agencies that use them.
What you don't want to do is give scumbag lawyers of opposite side any
reason to pick apart your justified self-defense case. Use factory ammo
for self-defense minimizes the potential there.

when
h*********r
发帖数: 1943
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来自主题: GunsAndGears版 - .45 vs. 9mm
The key point of this thread is about how to use this pistol.
If LZ mainly want to do paper plinking, get a 9mm, the ammo is cheap, and it
is a fun caliber to shoot.
If LZ want to have a gun shooting 45 caliber hammer to the target, them of
course 45 ACP is better.
Well, IMHO, in self defence, 357Sig and 40S&W are better choices compared to
9mm and 45ACP, when talking about a balance in hydrostatic shock "knock
down capability" and capacity.
Want more? go get an 10mm auto pistol.
z**********3
发帖数: 155
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来自主题: GunsAndGears版 - .45 vs. 9mm
“.45acp弹头的质量是9mm的两倍”
这句话说的没错
“: 问问版上几个手枪打的不错的 自卫谁选择9mm了”
这句说的太绝对了 我上次去取枪 还专门跟一个枪油子店小二讨论这个问题 而且旁边
正好站了个警察 两个人都carry 9mm and sometimes .45 那个警察对这个看法跟网上
有些相同
1)accuracy最重要
2)9mm没有那么差 你想想要是真那么差 还怎么卖这么多
3)第三条让我很惊讶 他自己承认全世界就是美国人最注重caliber 跟美国人喜欢大车
大发动机有一定关系
4) 然后我问是不是警察现在都carry .40or.45 警察说也不是 他说有的department统一佩枪 警察没有选择 他当时还夸张的说有的警察都不care自己的caliber
.45能量是很大 但是作为楼主第一把枪 or whatever 9mm决不能一棒子打死
那些女士随身带的小枪 .38acp 比.38 special弱不少 .38special 又比9mm弱 所以选择有很多 没有决定的
t******y
发帖数: 5040
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看了两个对CHALLENGER的评价,心里有点谱了:
1. Jim D. B. of Little Rock, ARDate posted: 10/18/2007This is a press I use
for my 416 Rigby and 8mm Rem Mag cases. A lot better than the old Challenger
press in its larger clearance / stroke and the use of all steel links. Good
for long cartridges (black powder calibers) and less danger of breaking the
links. Primer disposal is very nice as you can route the decapped primers
direct to your trashcan. The new featured breechlock is similar to Hornady
LNL system and prov... 阅读全帖
c*******r
发帖数: 593
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来自主题: GunsAndGears版 - 请教买气枪的问题
看你在哪个州/市。
http://www.pyramydair.com/airguns-shipping-restrictions.html
Shipping restrictions by location
It's up to YOU to know the laws in your state, county and city and to fully
comply with them. The following are examples of some state and local
restrictions governing various products. This list shows products that are
prohibited in the locations indicated. When criteria must be met for
ownership, those are also listed.
Special note: We cannot ship the following to Canadian residents:
Airgun... 阅读全帖
x*7
发帖数: 11281
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来自主题: GunsAndGears版 - CMMG complete Sierra 22LR upper no/FSB,$332.96
Use Coupon Code: DFM for 10% off Ammunition orders $200 or more.
http://www.brownells.com/.aspx/pid=43826/Product/CMMG-AR-15-M16
Mil-Spec M-4 Upper receiver with ceramic finish
Black Phosphate action
.22 Long Rifle caliber
16 inch W.A.S.P. carbon steel barrel
1 in 16 inch twist
Mil-Spec 1/2 X 28 threaded muzzle with A1 flash hinder
Picatinny railed low profile front sight base
Live round extraction
Anti-jam charging handle
Low profile single rail gas block
Numerous upgrades available
Product SPE... 阅读全帖
a***a
发帖数: 8941
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There are cheap 308 ammo, just as other calibers. Some 308 might be even
cheaper than other calibers because there are lots of military surplus 308,
but there are no military surplus ammo for like 270, 243, etc.
Of course, if you are comparing with 223 or 7.62x39, 308 is definitely more
expensive.
H****r
发帖数: 16240
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来自主题: GunsAndGears版 - .308口径的枪。
买个龙卷风刷:
http://www.amazon.com/Hoppes-Tornado-Brush-Caliber-Rifles/dp/B0
再买个jag:
http://www.amazon.com/Gunslick-Brass-Benchrest-Jag-Caliber/dp/B
我记得carter's county里面都有
T********e
发帖数: 533
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没错,那个Tipton的碳纤维的通条很好用。36寸长的有两种,以.26分界:
.22-.26:
http://www.amazon.com/Tipton-22-Caliber-36-Inch-Cleaning/dp/B00
.27-.45:
http://www.amazon.com/Tipton-27-Caliber-36-Inch-Cleaning/dp/B00
C*******r
发帖数: 10345
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来自主题: GunsAndGears版 - 旦富市枪手的武器
James Holmes' Guns Included AR15 Assault Rifle With Big Magazine
Some versions of the AR-15 assault rifle that police said was one of three
guns James Holmes carried into the movie theater massacre were outlawed for
civilian sale under the federal assault weapons ban that expired in 2004.
Since then, all versions have been legal for sale and possession in the U.S.
The AR-15, widely distributed by more than two dozen manufacturers in a
range of calibers, is a semi-automatic rifle that fires shots... 阅读全帖
a***a
发帖数: 8941
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Actually from 308Win and up, the power of caliber is not a problem, as long
as you do not need to shoot huge grizzly bears
308Win, 270Win, 30-06
either one is ok
If you want one caliber for both hunting and target shooting, 308Win is
probably the best, and the 300WinMag is also good, if you do not care much
about the recoil
a***a
发帖数: 8941
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来自主题: GunsAndGears版 - 有人用。22做家防吗?
I am talking about .45Super, not .45ACP
BTW, for 对防弹衣的穿透能力, large caliber usually is not good, that is why
FN P90, HK MP7 turn to 5.7x28 and 4.6x30 caliber
a***a
发帖数: 8941
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too complicated
Actually I did not talk about any 搭配问题
in a SHTF situation, and if you need to leave your home, you can only take 1
rifle, not a combination of 2 or 3 rifles with 2 or 3 calibers
only 1 rifle, 1 caliber
(plus 1 handgun)
Z*********i
发帖数: 3422
j***n
发帖数: 3786
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来自主题: GunsAndGears版 - Is this true?
depends on the caliber... for caliber like 6.5 creedmoor, yes! 2500~3000
rounds for a match barrel life time. for 308win, i think you are good with
around 8000 rounds.

rounds
a***a
发帖数: 8941
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来自主题: GunsAndGears版 - 今天开了荤,射了一发 .30-06
.30-06 is very old caliber, about 50 years earlier than .308
when .308 was designed about 50 years later, the technology improved, so the
shorter case can generate enough energy
The new technology also benefits the old .30-06 caliber, that is why now
current .30-06 commercial ammo is a little more powerful than .308
w*****o
发帖数: 1806
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这个螃蟹看着很有意思,我盯了一阵了。看来下个礼拜左右真的可以有货出来了。 咱
们版上兴趣怎么样? 呵呵,机缘巧合之下,他们一不小心把dealer价格发给我了。6支
起批,50支以上更便宜。如果咱们版能吃下50支,也许可以请有dealership的团购一把?
亮点:
1. 9mm,0.40 s&w,0.45 3个口径,无工具一分钟换好。
2. 直接用glock的手枪弹夹,上high capacity 30发完全没问题。
3. 步枪距离和准确性
所以,生存状态下永远不愁没子弹,不愁找不到弹夹。
The TNW Firearms Aero Survival Rifle (ASR) is engineered to breakdown
efficiently without the use of tools. This unique configuration allows for
easy barrel removal and caliber changes. The ASR's compact design allows it
to fit in small storage compart... 阅读全帖
w*****o
发帖数: 1806
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这个螃蟹看着很有意思,我盯了一阵了。看来下个礼拜左右真的可以有货出来了。 咱
们版上兴趣怎么样? 呵呵,机缘巧合之下,他们一不小心把dealer价格发给我了。6支
起批,50支以上更便宜。如果咱们版能吃下50支,也许可以请有dealership的团购一把?
亮点:
1. 9mm,0.40 s&w,0.45 3个口径,无工具一分钟换好。
2. 直接用glock的手枪弹夹,上high capacity 30发完全没问题。
3. 步枪距离和准确性
所以,生存状态下永远不愁没子弹,不愁找不到弹夹。
The TNW Firearms Aero Survival Rifle (ASR) is engineered to breakdown
efficiently without the use of tools. This unique configuration allows for
easy barrel removal and caliber changes. The ASR's compact design allows it
to fit in small storage compart... 阅读全帖
T*****r
发帖数: 225
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45 caliber in 3 inch barrel may not be reliable. From what I read, folks
tried to stay away from it. I have a similar size 1911 but it is a 9mm.
The shortest in 45 caliber that I have is actually 4 inch and works
flawlessly. Also, the recoil might be too much for a 3 inch barrel.
R****y
发帖数: 411
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来自主题: GunsAndGears版 - 大家枪支准备的怎么样了?
what caliber is that lever action? always wanted one, but hesitant to break
into another caliber
o****n
发帖数: 1520
l****z
发帖数: 29846
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来自主题: GunsAndGears版 - Mossberg 500 Watch Dog 12 gauge 18.5 Barrel
想买Remington 870的shotgun但附近都没有货了.
然后看到这个, 价格是360,大家看看怎么样? 可以买嘛?
http://shoparizonafirearms.com/catalog_detail.php?product_id=28
Mossberg 500 Watch Dog 12 gauge 18.5 Barrel Full Stock and Pistol Grip Black
Synthetic 6 Shot
Product ID: 28625 ..
UPC: 015813521352
Manufacturer: Mossberg
Description: Mossberg 500 Watchdog 2 Shotgun
SPECIFICATIONS:
Item No: MB50416
UPC No: 015813504164
MFG Model No: 50416
Family: 500 Series
Model: 500 Watchdog 2
Type: Shotgun
Action: Pump Action
Caliber: 12... 阅读全帖
U****6
发帖数: 2175
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来自主题: GunsAndGears版 - P226 Dark Elite到家,开箱
最近才开始关注枪械, 关注本版, 准备入手第一把枪, 下午去附近枪店, 小二推荐P226
EZ 现货, 也是全黑的, 握手里沉甸甸的, 很喜欢, 940元, 请问能入不? 还是等等
?
另外准备报名参加基本学习, 以下课程是否合适? 谢谢.
This class is for the first time shooter that is curious and wants to be
taken through the steps of handling a firearm safely and shooting a firearm
for the first time.
· Class is 3 hours
· Cost is $50.00
· Max of 6 people per class
· Pistols and ammunition are provided. (.22 Caliber only)
· Larger caliber handguns and ammunition are available at extra cost
· You can ... 阅读全帖
e***s
发帖数: 1397
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来自主题: GunsAndGears版 - AR15, Legal status of civilian ownership
仔细看一下,有AWB的时候,美国和其它大多数发达国家相比,对半自动步枪的管制都
要严格,管理要松一些的 - 我说管制严,管理松 - 因为美国不要license, 但是用一
些莫明其妙的限制管制了硬件。
现在纽约州通过的SB法律,结果是造成的管理和管制比大多数其它发达国家都要严。
希望纽约的今天不是美国的未来...
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/AR-15
AR15
Legal status of civilian ownership
Australia
AR-15 rifles, like all semi-automatic rifles, are subject to strong
restrictions of ownership in all states and territories in Australia. The
only means of legally owning an AR-15/M16-type rifle in Australia today
beyond law enforcement is to have a Categor... 阅读全帖
c*******e
发帖数: 35
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来自主题: GunsAndGears版 - 版主,搞个新手指南置顶吧
偶推荐一本书:
First Handgun Boot Camp-Choosing your First Handgun, Handling it Safely, and
How to NOT Look Stupid at the Range
by Taylor Hendricksen
书很浅显,有100页,适合新手入门。有Kindle版本,很方便。
amazon连接如下:
http://www.amazon.com/First-Handgun-Boot-Camp-ebook/dp/B00A74G7
“WELCOME TO YOUR FIRST HANDGUN BOOT CAMP!!
We will start you from a measly nothing, and teach you EVERYTHING you need
to know to get started with handguns. We'll cover:
- The Basics of Handguns
- Choosing Your First Handgun
- Common Myths YOU prob... 阅读全帖
k**0
发帖数: 19737
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来自主题: GunsAndGears版 - 转贴:避免使用180gr .40 S&W
.40SW口径的炸膛事故很多,看到一篇相关好帖,转过来大家看看:
Why the 180gr Bullet is a Bad Choice for .40 S&W
The original design of the .40S&W cartridge called for a one hundred and
eighty grain (180gr) bullet pushed down a barrel with a 1-in-16 twist to a
muzzle velocity between 950 and 980 feet per second (fps). This matched the
"FBI Lite" or "medium velocity" 10mm loads that were becoming popular at
that time.
However, in the years that followed, experience and experiment have shown
that the standard 180gr bullet weigh... 阅读全帖
k*p
发帖数: 48
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来自主题: GunsAndGears版 - AR help
LGS 有 stripped lower 和 stripped upper 预定 (Maryland Engage, AUV 提过),
我想先把 lower 定了,将来慢慢攒别的零件。有几个问题不是很明白,请教大佬们:
1. Billet 比 forged 好吗?看到几个帖子反而说 forged 兼容性以及坚固性更好一些
,为什么 billet 还贵不少?
2. stripped upper 要和stripped lower match 吗?比方说 billet lower + forged
upper, any problem?
3. 那个部件决定 caliber? barrel for sure. Upper 和 caliber 有没有关系?
4. 只有 lower 需要 FFL, 别的都是零件,对不?
不好意思,绝对 rifle 新手一枚。
c****x
发帖数: 1270
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来自主题: GunsAndGears版 - 我来问个入门问题:HK usp 9mm VS p226
The HK USP is probably the most thoroughly tested pistol ever produced. The
testing process of the USP, already extreme in exceeding strict NATO AC-225
Military Specification Standards, in many ways mirrors the regimen the HK
SOCOM pistol was subjected to .
The barrel of the USP is cold-hammer forged from high-grade chromium steel,
the same type of steel used in cannon barrels. During testing, a bullet was
deliberately lodged in a USP barrel. Another cartridge was then fired into
the obstructing... 阅读全帖
d**********g
发帖数: 2014
32
来自主题: GunsAndGears版 - 新Tikka T3 Lite, 30-06,$340, 值得买么?
270/308/3006 are all good caliber.
they all have pros and cons.
3006 is the most popular hunting caliber in the world.
n******d
发帖数: 3583
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来自主题: GunsAndGears版 - 转发各有趣的枪弹走势总结,
AR-15 ARE CRASHING IN PRICE WHILE AMMO CRASHING ALOT EXCEPT .40 (WEEKLY NEWS
REPORT)
Posted: Wednesday, February 13, 2013 2:45 PM
AR OR M4
I tracked ammo and ar-15 closing bids on my computer last 3 days.
Have huge tracking program took 2 weeks to build from my stock market
program.
It does seem to add up with what shot show dealers said.
I seen on gun broker ar-15 new prices are only hitting $1000-$1100 on
average last few days. bushmaster, dpms, stag, rock river plus new frontier
tracked. No I... 阅读全帖
g*****z
发帖数: 81
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消息来自于某大型枪支进口商,仅供参考。ps.兄弟我来自加拿大。。。
We have important info updates about the status of the gun industry
currently, followed by an inventory update. We have been involved in
Industry meetings concerning the shortages, here's what we were told:
Smith & Wesson-is running at Full capacity making 300+ guns/day-mainly M&P
pistols. They are unable to produce any more guns to help with the shortages.
RUGER: Plans to increase from 75% to 100% in the next 90 days.
FNH: Moving from 50% production to 75% by F... 阅读全帖
v******d
发帖数: 1939
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“AMMO: Every caliber is now allocated! We are looking at a nation wide
shortage of all calibers over the next 9 months.”
绝望恐惧中。。。。。。。。
p*********n
发帖数: 47
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SLR-106 Series – 5.56x45 Caliber Bulgarian Stamped Receiver Rifles
http://www.k-var.com/shop/SLR-106-Series-5.56x45-Caliber-Bulgar
K****o
发帖数: 2183
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来自主题: GunsAndGears版 - 想选两把Hand Guns,请推荐一下吧
个人觉得caliber多样化好,一是不会过于依赖一种弹药,二是可以体验不同caliber的
感觉。还有就是可以考虑一下左轮。
W*****r
发帖数: 5681
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来自主题: GunsAndGears版 - 今天拿到 Springfield XDs 9mm
Yes, 弹容量 is one thing. 子弹 caliber is another. 我不想存太多不一样的
caliber 子弹. 現在我有 5.56/.223 and 9mm. 刚買 Ruger 10/22. 又要找 .22
子弹了。
l****z
发帖数: 29846
39
【 以下文字转载自 USANews 讨论区 】
发信人: lczlcz (lcz), 信区: USANews
标 题: NJ胖州长把3个控枪法案veto了, liberal大为光火
发信站: BBS 未名空间站 (Mon Aug 19 16:47:55 2013, 美东)
Christie vetoes 3 gun-control bills
By Matt Katz, Inquirer Trenton Bureau
Posted: August 18, 2013
Gov. Christie rejected three major pieces of gun-control legislation Friday
that Democrats passed following last year's fatal school shootings in
Connecticut.
Despite proposing a ban on purchases of the Barrett .50-caliber gun and
similar weapons in April, Christi... 阅读全帖
m*****9
发帖数: 11
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来自主题: GunsAndGears版 - 小白不小心买了把气枪,求配件
就是周三那天Walmart上一堆东西价格错误,像三星led 46'电视329刀,我还买了2台,
结果都被取消了订单,就剩下这个枪了,哎。当天中午价格就都恢复正常了。
链接是这个http://www.walmart.com/ip/Crosman-Nitro-Venom-NP-.22-Air-Rifle-with-Scope/16536078,现在价格正常了,144
搜了.22 pellet, 有好几种
Hollow Point
Caliber Destroyer
Crosman Premier .22cal 14.3gr Domed Pellets
Crosman Lead Free High Velocity Super Point .22 Caliber Pellets 9.5 Grain
请问有什么区别?谢谢!
真是太复杂了,头疼。
d******h
发帖数: 503
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来自主题: GunsAndGears版 - 请推荐.40 SW 口径的手枪
Stick to Glock, Beretta because they are available.
CZ is hard to get these days.
Smith Wesson MP40 good, but it is a plastic gun like the Glock.
There are some upper market Swiss and German guns, they are at least 800
dollars, if you are rich, go for it.
1911s are nice, but again, less reliable than Glock and Beretta. My second
gun will be a 1911 but it is expensive.
9mm or .40 SW? Well 9mm ammo is not available anywhere in the store. When it
is available, it runs $25 for 50 rounds, which is no... 阅读全帖
d**e
发帖数: 1124
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来自主题: GunsAndGears版 - 巴基斯坦版的54?
http://www.slickguns.com/product/new-pakistan-ttc-tokarev-pisto
Price: $209.99
@Classic Firearms
Description:
These are exceptionally nice. Manufactured in the famous Peshawar factory in
Pakistan. Original TTC Tokarev design, full size, 7.62x25 caliber with 2
factory 7 round mags and cleaning rod. Unlike some Tokarev pistols these
come from the factory with safety levers. New in commercial factory box...
Don't miss these.
Product Specs
Factory New
2-7 rd mags, 7 + 1 Capacity
Cleaning Rod
Factory... 阅读全帖
h*******g
发帖数: 2201
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In simple words, usually home defense handguns you would pick caliber with
sufficient power(which usually exclude any .22 pistol/revolvers, and choose
anything > or = 9mm (which usually means either 9 mm, .40, or .45 acp)).
Then you have to choose a brand with good reputation: CZ, sig sauer, berreta
, HK, Glock, Smith and Wesson, Spring field, Colt, to name a few.
Then you have to decide which model in that brand you like, besides the
calibers, you may have your personal preference on its outloo... 阅读全帖
l*****8
发帖数: 106
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来自主题: GunsAndGears版 - 完全新手,推荐买9mm防身手枪
建议两种枪:
1 Beretta 92 FS, 9 mm caliber
2 Colt 1911, 0.45ACP caliber
d******h
发帖数: 503
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来自主题: GunsAndGears版 - 这个带镜子的Ruger American 行不?
镜子够不够用?
该选哪个Caliber的?哪个Caliber的rifle子弹最常见并且便宜又安全?
这枪可用来打猎还是打靶?是属于重管还是轻管? 7.5 pounds
好像是Ruger American 的新产品, 带税$750 应该拿得下来吧。值不值?
a**6
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来自主题: GunsAndGears版 - Detroit home invaders vs tough mom & hipoint

That is Hi-Point Carbine either 995TS or 4095TS or 4595TS (pistol caliber
9mm/.40S&W/.45ACP). They are low tier reliable pistol caliber carbine. Low
recoil. Very fun to shoot.
http://www.hi-pointfirearms.net/carbineInfo.htm
f****t
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来自主题: GunsAndGears版 - HK USP 45c怎麽樣?
I have a USPC 40 caliber. Like it a lot. Better than my CZ75B in 40
caliber. Recoil is smaller than CZ.
C******k
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来自主题: GunsAndGears版 - Can you legally carry 22lr? Not in Texas!
Recently, there are several posts discussing carrying 22lr for self defense.
There are a lot of discussion of stoping power, safety, etc. But did anyone
read state law that regulates Conceal Carry?
I know that in Texas, CHL holder can only carry .32 and above caliber, thus
22lr is not legal carry caliber.
Please read your own state law first.
B*****y
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FYI, one of our ranges:
Traditionally to use our range you had to purchase all ammo and targets here
. Right now due to the shortage of ammunition, if we are out of stock on
the caliber you're shooting, then you're welcome to shoot your own in that
caliber only. The "Buy here, Shoot here" rule still applies to any
ammunition that we have in stock. To find out if we have what you're
shooting, please call us.
l****h
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来自主题: GunsAndGears版 - 加州拥枪费用清单 (转载)
【 以下文字转载自 SanFrancisco 讨论区 】
发信人: liaoch (liaoch), 信区: SanFrancisco
标 题: 加州拥枪费用清单
发信站: BBS 未名空间站 (Sat Jan 30 23:43:20 2016, 美东)
经常有朋友问,拥有一把枪到底要花多少钱?回答的次数多了,干脆写一篇文章。我以
拥第一把手枪为例,列一个例子清单和参考价钱。需要购置几大类物品: 包括 枪,弹
药, 保险箱, 靶场包,靶纸,弹药箱, 耳塞,护目镜, 清洗用品等。
1 . 以流行的 cz75 bd 9mm 手枪为例:
零售 $590
加州税 $56
背景调查 DROS $25
Firearm Safety certificate考试 $25
2. 保险箱,强烈推荐指纹保险箱(有备用钥匙), 紧急情况取枪不用找钥匙,记密码
BARSKA Biometric Safe@ Amazon $ 200
普通钥匙,密码保险箱 (search handgun safe on Amazon) 70左右。
3. 子弹 9mm luger, brass case (not steel), ... 阅读全帖
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