n******8
发帖数: 558 | 1 Cello and his shadow
A lonely cello,
Talks to no one but his shadow.
In a tone like wavering willow,
In a color like mellowing meadow.
Till the sun flees.
Cello panics and pleas:
Shadow, shadow, stay with me!
For I will sing you nightly glee.
And my strings will never pluck sorrow,
For I need you every tomorrow. |
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发帖数: 1 | 2 有 every tomorrow 的说法吗？
：Cello and his shadow
：A lonely cello,
：Talks to no one but his shadow.
：In a tone like wavering willow,
：In a color like mellowing meadow.
：Till the sun flees.
：Cello panics and pleas:
：Shadow, shadow, stay with me!
：For I will sing you nightly glee.
：And my strings will never pluck sorrow,
：.......... |
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w*******y
发帖数: 60932 | 3 North American Sponge Co. 2ct All Purpose Cello Scouring Sponges - Natural
Cello/Recycled Scour (Pack of 6)
List Price: $12.49
Price: $2.19 ($0.18 / sponge) & eligible for free shipping with Amazon
Prime
You Save: $10.30 (82%)
Link:
http://www.amazon.com/North-American-Sponge-Co-Scouring/dp/B002
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发帖数: 94 | 4 想给孩子找个好点的cello老师，网络上看到有人师从Xiao Wong ( Houston Symphony
), 以及Cindy Fu，可是找不到他们的联系方式，有知道的给我个小纸条好吗？多谢了
！还找到 Donna Rogers，据说也不错，大家有了解cello老师的吗？ |
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发帖数: 94 | 5 想给孩子找个好点的cello老师，网络上看到有人师从Xiao Wong ( Houston Symphony
), 以及Cindy Fu，可是找不到他们的联系方式，有知道的给我个小纸条好吗？多谢了
！还找到 Donna Rogers，据说也不错，大家有了解cello老师的吗？ |
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发帖数: 4035 | 6 我两个表妹都是从小拉cello，确实很优雅，我个人觉得音色比小提琴好听
雅。 |
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发帖数: 418 | 7 我们有个非常好的Cello老师， 在幸福屯上课，最近有几个时间空缺。您如果有小孩，
想让她/他跟个好老师学大提琴，请站内联系。 |
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发帖数: 418 | 8 孩子学Cello学了两年，好像进步很慢。想找一个会教孩子的老师，最好是三谷地区的
。实在没有，弯曲别的地方的也可以考虑。
知道的麻烦推荐一下，谢谢了！ |
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t******8
发帖数: 418 | 9 孩子学Cello学了两年，好像进步很慢。想找一个会教孩子的老师，最好是三谷地区的
。实在没有，弯曲别的地方的也可以考虑。
知道的麻烦推荐一下，谢谢了！ |
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发帖数: 181 | 11 有人知道eastside在哪里租cello吗? |
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发帖数: 94 | 12 没人知道吗？再顶顶。帮忙推荐好的cello老师，多谢！ |
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h*********1
发帖数: 94 | 14 没人知道吗？再顶顶。帮忙推荐好的cello老师，多谢！ |
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发帖数: 4188 | 17 I have spent my whole spring break searching for Bach 's great works
in my city.
I got a lot.Especially Rostropovich's cello suite is really a
wonder.It is so
great that it is hard for me to describe it.What you could feel is
just
"profundity".You just feel it drops like something into every corner
of your
heart.Especially No.6 suite.When I just heard the prelude,I am
totally shocked.
What's more,this version 's sound effect is perfect.
And I also found some CD store are very stupid.For example, |
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发帖数: 12367 | 18 发信人: kyiv (基辅★香榧), 信区: Classic
标 题: elgar's cello concerto in e
发信站: 日月光华站 (Tue Apr 3 20:45:12 2001) , 站内信件
深沉而浪漫的埃尔加
一个独自在家的晚上，周围阒然无声，寂寞得很，想弄点音乐
陪伴自已。随手一摸
，竟抽出一张拿索斯的CD：埃尔加的B小调小提琴协奏曲（8.550489
）。望着片子，回想
起这是首很长的协奏曲，有很多主题，技巧十分艰深。许久未听，倒
颇有点怀念了，便
将它塞进音响。
乐队前奏一出，便有几个优美的主题接踵扑面而来，一浪高过一
浪，音流下涌动着
一股浪漫之极的暗流，令人心动不已。特别是暗示着作曲家女友艾丽
斯的第二主题，寄
托着一片深情，如同一颗心牵挂着遥远美好的回忆，说不出的美丽。
韩国小提琴家姜东
锡的琴声蕴含着一股光芒四射的激情，虽然发音有点尖利，不象青年
梅纽因那样纯美悦
耳，但很奇怪，姜东锡略带些酸楚的发音听了一会儿反倒觉得很适合
音乐浪漫的内涵，
和梅纽因比，是两种不同的味道！在抒情的片断如第二乐章“行板”
里，姜东锡一点也
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发帖数: 1470 | 19 【 以下文字转载自 WebRadio 讨论区 】
发信人: KAROUN (Karoun), 信区: WebRadio
标 题: Rastrelli Cello Quartett - Tchaikovsky Andante Cantabile
发信站: BBS 未名空间站 (Tue Dec 1 20:24:35 2009, 美东)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ol3Ula4HemQ |
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发帖数: 308 | 21 oct 21去听了本地chamber music society本季第二场。曲目如下：
Schubert: Arpeggione Sonata in A Minor, D. 821
Britten: Cello Sonata in C Major, Op. 65
Rachmaninov: Cello Sonata in G Minor, Op. 19
COLIN CARR, CELLO AND THOMAS SAUER, PIANO
第一支schubert作品，驳杂古典浪漫的作品：带着古典时代的平静和浪漫时期的悦耳动
听，总之很容易接近。对现代人而言，古典风格典丽却未免隔靴搔痒（vivaldi这样的
baroque作者是例外），浪漫作品动人心魄却不能持久很快令人厌倦。schubert这只
sonata也不例外，作为开场热身倒也因此不温不热恰到好处，更令我意外的是第三乐章
allegretto(快板，继第二乐章adagio之后)令我为之一震：称不上冷水浇背，倒是安逸
里透出顽皮，平静中耐人寻味。
第二支是Britten（1913-1976）作品，感叹二战后（除个别比如俄国人shostac... 阅读全帖 |
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E*******r
发帖数: 308 | 22 oct 21去听了本地chamber music society本季第二场。曲目如下：
Schubert: Arpeggione Sonata in A Minor, D. 821
Britten: Cello Sonata in C Major, Op. 65
Rachmaninov: Cello Sonata in G Minor, Op. 19
COLIN CARR, CELLO AND THOMAS SAUER, PIANO
第一支schubert作品，驳杂古典浪漫的作品：带着古典时代的平静和浪漫时期的悦耳动
听，总之很容易接近。对现代人而言，古典风格典丽却未免隔靴搔痒（vivaldi这样的
baroque作者是例外），浪漫作品动人心魄却不能持久很快令人厌倦。schubert这只
sonata也不例外，作为开场热身倒也因此不温不热恰到好处，更令我意外的是第三乐章
allegretto(快板，继第二乐章adagio之后)令我为之一震：称不上冷水浇背，倒是安逸
里透出顽皮，平静中耐人寻味。
第二支是Britten（1913-1976）作品，感叹二战后（除个别比如俄国人shostac... 阅读全帖 |
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发帖数: 211 | 23 CD 1
SERGEI RACHMANINOV 1873–1943
1–4 Cello Sonata in G minor, op.19
5–9 Five pieces for cello and piano
SERGEI PROKOFIEV 1891–1953
10–12 Cello Sonata in C major, op.119
CD 2
DMITRI SHOSTAKOVICH 1906–1975
1–4 Cello Sonata in D minor, op.40
5 Moderato for cello and piano
6–7 Two pieces for string quartet*
8–12 Piano Quintet in G minor, op.57*
LYNN HARRELL cello
VLADIMIR ASHKENAZY piano
FITZWILLIAM STRING QUARTET* |
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发帖数: 4959 | 24 The solo violin of the concerto is symbolic of Zhu Yingtai, the story's
protagonist, and the cello part is symbolic of Liang Shanbo, her lover.
The concerto begins with two fifths in D by the harp, after which a solo
flute opens with a flowery melody, setting the scene of the story. A solo
oboe enters with the strings in G major, after which the solo violinist
enters and begins a simple melody. This melody comes from a Chinese folk
song of the Yellow River (Huanghe), and tells the story of Zhu Y... 阅读全帖 |
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发帖数: 558 | 25 Cello and his shadow
In sunset stands a lonely cello,
Talks to no one but his shadow.
His words are buzzing bees,
His songs are sighing seas.
In a tune like wavering willow,
In a color like mellowing meadow.
Till the sun flees.
Cello panics and pleas:
Shadow, Shadow, stay with me!
For I will sing you nightly glee.
And my strings will never pluck sorrow,
For I need you every tomorrow.
In sunrise lies a cheerful shadow,
Shed by a humble cello.
To the Cello Shadow complains:
Why your face full of ... 阅读全帖 |
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a****s
发帖数: 11 | 26 肖邦全集Chopin Complete Edition 17CD
Executan: Krystian Zimerman,Claudio Arrau,Stefan Askenase,Anatol Ugorski,
Maurizio Pollini,Jean-Marc Luisada,Lilya Zilberstein,Daniel Barenboim,Martha
Argerich,Stanislav Bunin,Mikhail Pletnev,Heidi Bung,Kurt Bauer,Mstislav
Rostropovich,Malcolm Martineau,Elzbieta Szmytka,Vladimir Ashkenazy,Lambert
Orkis,Anner Bylsma,Kyrill Kondrashin,Carlo Maria Giulini,Willem van Otterloo
Conductor: Kyrill Kondrashin、 Carlo Maria Giulini、 Willem van Otterloo
Commander commander... 阅读全帖 |
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发帖数: 22800 | 27 对了，还有这套。偶正在听，喜欢britten(写那个战争安魂曲的人) 和Rostropovich的人都不要
错过。
The Complete Decca Recording by Mstislav Rostropovich
http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B00690LYWS
简单看一下都是谁在里头：
5张CD，
English Chamber orchestra
Benjamin Britten piano& conductor (CD1-3)
Sviatoslav Richter piano (CD4&5)
里面自然有期待的，“Britten composed his Cello Suites, Cello Symphony and
Cello Sonata for Mstislav Rostropovich。。”呵呵。自己写自己指挥的
具体曲目在此：
http://www.deccaclassics.com/cat/single?PRODUCT_NR=4783577
amazon里头说到CD4 5曲目次序有点问题，偶还没听到，听到在看吧，反正都在... 阅读全帖 |
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发帖数: 3137 | 28 Minuet in G by Beethovon
I have been playing Minuet in G in the past 3 months. I will also play this
cello song for the upcoming recital.
I like Minuet in G because of the style and technique. For the style, It is
a fancy occasion dance music. It is different and more formal than other
songs. It feels like in courtroom with lots of gesture and nobility.
Technique wise, It uses many flats and sharps. The sharps make it a bit
unusual. It is also in the waltz 3/4, requires the player to play with
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E*i
发帖数: 5804 | 29 Steve是很文艺的一个人，比如和Yo-Yo Ma的关系。
There was one classic musician Jobs revered both as a person and a performer
he creates on his cello. They had met in 1981, when Jobs was at the Aspen
Design Conference and Ma was at the Aspen Music Festival. Jobs tended to be
deeply moved by artists who displayed purity, and he became a fan. He
invited Ma to play at his wedding, but he was out of the country on tour. He
came by the Jobs house a few years later, sat in the living room, pulled
out his 1733 Stradivari... 阅读全帖 |
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发帖数: 991 | 30 这伙同学是卖琴起家的，最初的idea是make video to advertise performance and
instrument together. 没看见cello同学至少换了两把琴，piano同学斗大的Yamaha几
个字吗。长城上演奏本来就是商业表演性质的，诶，没想到被你识破了。
电cello和木cello音色各有所长，Video里编排得古典和现代交织，挺有想法的。 |
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发帖数: 501 | 31 周末了，不谈国事，只论风月。
从小就觉得会拉大提琴真的很拉风，可惜由于条件受限，自己也没有音乐天分，所以没能习得一琴半笛。
Jacqueline du Pré是俺喜欢的大提琴演奏家，她的作品尤其是Elgar Cello Concerto in E minor 非常脍炙人口，每次看这段录像，看到她弱小的身躯在奋力而专注的演奏，琴声如泣如诉，想到她罹患多发性硬化而不得不在生命的最后时刻放弃心爱的大提琴，英年早逝，不禁泪下。
Jacqueline du Pré非常有天分，20岁与伦敦交响乐团合作Elgar Cello Concerto in E minor而一举成名，她和名琴手梅纽因，帕尔曼，祖克曼关系都很好，也有很多佳作，她也是敢爱敢恨的人，21岁的时候认识了钢琴家Daniel Barenboim，一见钟情，马上取消所有演出，与他飞到耶路撒冷。
Barenboim是犹太人，犹太人一般只能和犹太人结婚，所以Jacqueline就转成犹太教，要知道转成犹太教很麻烦的，要进专门的学校学习几年，经过好多仪式的，他们最后在耶路撒冷的哭墙举行的婚礼。
俺知道的Jacqueline du Pre的故事主... 阅读全帖 |
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发帖数: 21010 | 32 http://www.slate.com/articles/arts/culturebox/2014/01/classical
When it comes to classical music and American culture, the fat lady hasn’t
just sung. Brünnhilde has packed her bags and moved to Boca Raton.
Classical music has been circling the drain for years, of course. There’s
little doubt as to the causes: the fingernail grip of old music in a culture
that venerates the new; new classical music that, in the words of Kingsley
Amis, has about as much chance of public acceptance as pedophilia; f... 阅读全帖 |
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发帖数: 213 | 33 Don't recommend #1. You are buying something he can and therefore wanna
enjoy. You are not 100% if he can play cello, and even if he can, you seem
to know about violin, which means violin that he's gonna do with most in his
life, and the violin should be more likely something he wanna have. About
cello, how much are you sure that he is gonna like it? Attention: not only
to be able to play, but to be able to enjoy. You can circumvent to get your
answer and this could be a good gift if he does lik |
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d*****d
发帖数: 10658 | 34 入门应该从协奏曲开始,先买几个最好听的协奏曲吧:
Rachmaninov Piano Concerto 2
Tchaikovsky PC 1
Beethoven PC 5
Grieg PC
Chopin PC 1/2
Beethoven Violin Concerto
Mendelsson VC
Bruch VC
Tchaikovsky VC
Dvorak Cello Concerto
Elgar Cello Concerto
开始一定要买好的录音(DDD优先),千万不要买历史录音(50年代前的),版本看着顺眼就
行,等你听多了,自然而然就会注意版本的. |
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发帖数: 248 | 35 SKATING学了一冬天，现在会自己碎碎步滑，当妈的已经很满意，更FANCY的动作我也不
指望了。
羽毛球试着打过，感觉和打其它的比如乒乓球，网球没什么区别啊，为什么会对形体特
别有好处呢？ 不过我女儿打球的问题在于手和脚配合跑动跟不上球，也许长大了会好
点，以现在的水平，对打球兴趣很低。
对学CELLO确实有兴趣，下学期开始打算找个老师了，希望可以顺便着提高一下气质。
唉其实我不是很喜欢CELLO的音色，太闷了。 |
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发帖数: 475 | 36 这么大呀！那就选violin算了。我们这儿是三年级开课，可以选cello, viola or
violin. cello太大。 viola网上看起来没那么大呀。 |
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l**a
发帖数: 5175 | 37 乐队是个团体，大家都要配合。
马友友 IS NOT 配角.
拉的好，都是主角，拉的不好，都是配角。
viola all the same.
small viola is violin.
big viola is cello. cello is big big violin. |
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发帖数: 780 | 38 我家二年级娃周记
Last Week’s Achievements
On Monday it was reading. I was very interested in the Geronimo Stilton
series comic books. There were always pirate cats trying to change history
so Geronimo Stilton and his family has to go back in time and try to stop
them.
But on Tuesday, it was math because I did Khan Academy, math games and my
math books. My math games were fun. I did multiplication, addition and
subtraction. One of the games I played was Penguin Jump. It was a
mu... 阅读全帖 |
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发帖数: 141625 | 40 昨天下雨，New Haven的中央草坪一片湿。本来担心马友友的露天免费演出会取消，但
New Haven网站信誓旦旦地宣布马友友及其团友决不失约，便冒雨而往。
我迟到了一刻多钟，本来以为像马友友这样的大腕人物出场之前，起码有半到一小时的
其他人的热身表演；以前几次名人演出都如此。结果似乎并没有铺垫？老远就听到热烈
欢快的弦乐此起彼伏，近前见马友友和其他几把提琴一起摇头晃脑，意气风发。鬓发花
白的马友友人如其名，亲切友好，每首乐曲演奏之前都拉家常般地介绍作曲者和表演者
，既尊重团友，又与观众亲和交流，全场很有宾主尽欢的融洽气氛。Green上不仅伞头
济济，还有很多看似音乐学院的年轻学生，穿着雨衣、背着乐器坐在走道边上全神贯注
地聆听。以往演出时走道上是不准站或坐人的；这次是为了这些认真的年轻人网开一面
了。
我原以为丝绸之路是指中国音乐；结果除了一支类似日本太座鼓的纯鼓乐，其余大都是
伊朗乐曲。白发苍苍、刘海长长的伊朗老作曲家Kayhan，与马友友并肩坐在舞台的中央，
手持一把类似马头琴或二胡的伊朗传统四弦乐器kamancheh。马友友戏称是减肥了的大
提琴，共鸣腔缩小，正面的皮革面也奇... 阅读全帖 |
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发帖数: 680 | 41 龚晓红教的是小提琴吧，不是CELLO。谭子美也是小提琴。在郑乐方宁那里见过CELLO
课。 |
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发帖数: 1995 | 42 《紐約生活》10月14日~10月20日
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Hamlet
Hamlet
紐約市萬聖節尋寶遊戲。(活動網站)
紐約市萬聖節尋寶遊戲。(活動網站)
布碌崙史密斯街熱湯節。(活動網站)
布碌崙史密斯街熱湯節。(活動網站)
【10月14日 星期一】
●電影「哈姆雷特」Hamlet
時間：4pm
地點：現代美術館（The Museum of Modern Art）1號劇院（The Roy and Niuta Titus
Theater 1），曼哈坦西53街11號
查詢：http://www.moma.org/visit/calendar/film_screenings/19228
門票：$5至$12，兒童（16歲及以下）和會員免費。丹麥王子哈姆雷特的父王去世，皇
叔隨即繼位並娶母后為妻，讓他深感憤懣。一天晚上，他遇見父王的鬼魂... 阅读全帖 |
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发帖数: 116 | 43 2003-2004 Philadelphia Orchestra的演出安排已经出来了.和上个
演出季不同, 今年有许多古典/浪漫主义音乐家的作品, 不像上一年,
印象里大量的是现代音乐家的作品. 不知还有喜欢古典音乐的么?
想找人一块儿去看.
大概看了一眼演出安排, 比较比较喜欢的有
Sep.17 Opening Night 2003
Yo-Yo Ma, cello
BERLIOZ Overture to Benvenuto Cellini
DVORAK Cello Concerto in B minor
BRAHMS Symphony No. 1
看点是马友友的大提琴.只是票太贵,现剩下的票最差的是$60
October 23-25
András Schiff, conductor and piano
BACH Piano Concerto No. 2
SCHUBERT Symphony No. 4 ("Tragic")
DVORAK Piano Concerto
October 28-November 4
Yakov Kreizberg, conductor |
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发帖数: 1160 | 44 中央图书馆的音乐会信息：
http://www.sandiego.gov/public-library/news-events/concertserie
2015 Winter/Spring Concert Series Schedule
All concerts are held on Sundays at 2:30PM in the Central Library Auditorium
February 8
Philip Lipton, Clarinet
Performing works by Benny Goodman, Antonio Lauro, Paguito D'Rivera, Kenji
Bunch, and Philip Lipton.
February 15
The Mirabell Chambers Players
Julie Ayer (violin), Martha Lippi (cello), Karen Follingstad (piano).
Featuring works by Beethoven, Piazzolla, and Clara Schum... 阅读全帖 |
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发帖数: 23 | 47 昨晚的大都会博物馆Helene Grimaud Concert实在是太令我陶醉了，我感到自己真是太
幸运了，是我这一生中最难忘的一夜之一。
我坐在A109,第一排正中,是全场离Helene最近的观众. 她一袭黑裙，浅浅一笑，一出场
就把我震撼了。那一刹那间，我眼里除了她什么都没有了，脑子里就像一道闪电划过，
直到琴声飘来，我才会过神来， 心里一股莫名而强烈的喜悦和激动。虽然以前也看过
她的照片，知道她是个法国大美女。但这么近亲眼见到，那种美丽真是难以形容，有好
多想说的想描绘的，就是讲不出来，只有脑子里的映像和心里的感觉。
曲目是:1. Schumann: Three Romances for Piano and Oboe
2. Brahms: Sonata No. 2 for Clarinet and Piano
Intermission
3. Brahms: Sonata No. 1 for Cello and Piano
4. Schumann: Sonata No. 1 for Violin a... 阅读全帖 |
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wh
发帖数: 141625 | 48 【 以下文字转载自 Connecticut 讨论区 】
发信人: wh (wh), 信区: Connecticut
标 题: 昨晚New Haven Green上的马友友及其丝绸之路乐团的演出
发信站: BBS 未名空间站 (Sun Jun 12 19:50:05 2011, 美东)
昨天下雨，New Haven的中央草坪一片湿。本来担心马友友的露天免费演出会取消，但
New Haven网站信誓旦旦地宣布马友友及其团友决不失约，便冒雨而往。
我迟到了一刻多钟，本来以为像马友友这样的大腕人物出场之前，起码有半到一小时的
其他人的热身表演；以前几次名人演出都如此。结果似乎并没有铺垫？老远就听到热烈
欢快的弦乐此起彼伏，近前见马友友和其他几把提琴一起摇头晃脑，意气风发。鬓发花
白的马友友人如其名，亲切友好，每首乐曲演奏之前都拉家常般地介绍作曲者和表演者
，既尊重团友，又与观众亲和交流，全场很有宾主尽欢的融洽气氛。Green上不仅伞头
济济，还有很多看似音乐学院的年轻学生，穿着雨衣、背着乐器坐在走道边上全神贯注
地聆听。以往演出时走道上是不准站或坐人的；这次是为了这些认真的年轻人网开一面
了... 阅读全帖 |
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wh
发帖数: 141625 | 49 【 以下文字转载自 Connecticut 讨论区 】
发信人: wh (wh), 信区: Connecticut
标 题: 昨晚New Haven Green上的马友友及其丝绸之路乐团的演出
发信站: BBS 未名空间站 (Sun Jun 12 19:50:05 2011, 美东)
昨天下雨，New Haven的中央草坪一片湿。本来担心马友友的露天免费演出会取消，但
New Haven网站信誓旦旦地宣布马友友及其团友决不失约，便冒雨而往。
我迟到了一刻多钟，本来以为像马友友这样的大腕人物出场之前，起码有半到一小时的
其他人的热身表演；以前几次名人演出都如此。结果似乎并没有铺垫？老远就听到热烈
欢快的弦乐此起彼伏，近前见马友友和其他几把提琴一起摇头晃脑，意气风发。鬓发花
白的马友友人如其名，亲切友好，每首乐曲演奏之前都拉家常般地介绍作曲者和表演者
，既尊重团友，又与观众亲和交流，全场很有宾主尽欢的融洽气氛。Green上不仅伞头
济济，还有很多看似音乐学院的年轻学生，穿着雨衣、背着乐器坐在走道边上全神贯注
地聆听。以往演出时走道上是不准站或坐人的；这次是为了这些认真的年轻人网开一面
了... 阅读全帖 |
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发帖数: 21010 | 50 http://www.slate.com/articles/arts/culturebox/2014/01/classical
When it comes to classical music and American culture, the fat lady hasn’t
just sung. Brünnhilde has packed her bags and moved to Boca Raton.
Classical music has been circling the drain for years, of course. There’s
little doubt as to the causes: the fingernail grip of old music in a culture
that venerates the new; new classical music that, in the words of Kingsley
Amis, has about as much chance of public acceptance as pedophilia; f... 阅读全帖 |
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