g****r
发帖数: 88 | 1 八种武器（三）Changeup
什么是人生成功的最重要因素？是机遇。
在球场上，对于击球手也是一样。
只不过不叫机遇罢了，而叫timing。
如果说人生机遇是可遇而不可求的，
那么这个击球的timing就很具有主观能动性。
好的击球手，能做到球到－棒到－力道也要到。所谓三到。
那pitcher同志们就不能让你这么舒服了，会想方设法破坏你对timing的判断。
这就要依靠一个字，那就是－－－"骗"。
骗的手法有很多种。这里讲的是Changeup。也就是本系列的第二种武器。
这种球的握法初看上去和上回讲的fastball是一摸一样的。
但仔细一看，却有不同。
fastball是食指和中指卡住球的上方，握得非常浅（我上回也特别强调这个"浅"字）。
而Changeup是中指、无名指和小指覆盖住球，握得很深。另外，食指盖住大拇指
形成一个小环。
扔的时候，Pitcher把作用力用在在球的中心部位（扔快球时是用力在非中心
部位）。其他方面都和快球完全一样。
但效果是：Changeup能比快球慢上10麦/小时。（速度大概是80麦/小时）
对于打击手而言，从pitcher的肩部、腕部和球的转动而言， |
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g******a
发帖数: 667 | 2 Randy Johnson 4 CY, 95~97 fastball, 88~92 slider
Curt Schilling 0 CY, 94~96 high fastball, splitter in dirt
Pedro Martinez 4 CY, fastball, curveball, changeup,
Tom Glavine 2 CY, cutter, changeup, finesse pitcher
Greg Maddux 4 CY, cutter, changeup, finesse pitcher
Derek Lowe 0 CY, sinker, curveball, closer-converted
最近比较火的就这些。 |
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f*r
发帖数: 28 | 3 不敢
这种CHANGEUP说白了就是在出球刹那手指摩擦使球上旋飞离,
一般人中指无名指指肚摩擦就足够,也会达到尾旋的效果.
但是,CHANGEUP要诀是SPEED,在HITTER眼中看上去和FASTBALL一样的出球DELIVERY,
速度要慢得越多越好.
大联盟投手可以练到用中指无名指的第二指节发力摩擦出球,而不是指肚,
这样的球速更慢.
你们拿个球比划比划就明白了.
小联盟的还达不到这一点.
就酱紫
大作 |
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n*******e
发帖数: 2213 | 4 This is how you hit Hamels. Zobrist did a great job. Be patient, bank on fas
tball or changeup. If fastball, play pull, changeup, play opposite field. Th
en Hamels will be forced to throw a lot of pitchers and therefore get toaste
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n*******e
发帖数: 2213 | 5 是changeup. :)
he is pretty much a two pitch pitcher, fastball and changeup. Occasionally h
e can toss in a curve. |
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n*******e
发帖数: 2213 | 6 他上次上来的时候我看了两场他的比赛。我觉得他的sinker还在，但是速度下降，貌似
移动也变差。他这种power sinker, if the ball does not explode at the plate,
he will be hit hard.
What's worse is that his slider is flat. His slider has never been great.
But it looked like a fastball and is slower. When he had that power sinker,
a slider can create strikeout due to the speed difference, like changeup
pitchers do with changeups. A flat slider + slower fastball, however, is a
very bad combination.
I still think he has a future. But he's got to get ... 阅读全帖 |
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z******n
发帖数: 1223 | 7 所以投手讲究deceptive release，尤其是fastball和changeup如果能用尽量相似的动
作投出来会有很好的效果
据Kevin Millar爆料，Ryan Dempster原先只在投slider之前做那个拧手套的动作，当
时的队友Millar建议他要是改不掉就干脆每个球都拧，于是就这样了。
另据Millar，Buccholz投出no hitter的时候他是对手打线一员，说那场是金莺
scouting失误，没有报告Buccholz有一手轨迹很直很像fastball的changeup |
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D*******e
发帖数: 12862 | 8 好久没看棒球了，昨天头一回在电梯上看了几个inning - 这回是真看！不是高光 :)
结果发现全部看不懂了，最重要的原因除了人基本都不认识以外，主要是各种ball全忘
光了。。。连slider是啥都反应不过来了，真的是老年痴呆了呀。。。：（
赶紧狗了几把brush up了一下，顺便科普给广大的吃瓜群众们 ：）
大的分类：fast ball(快球，速球，直球)，breaking ball（变化球，曲线球），
changeup（变速球），飘忽球
属于fastball的有：
four seamer - 普通快球
two seamer (sinker) - 快球 + downward movement + in for RHH (right handed
hitters)
cutter - 快球 + downward + away for RHH
splitter/forkball - 快球 + more downward curves
属于breaking ball的有：
curve ball - 曲线球，上下curve
slider - 滑球，左右curve, away from RHH... 阅读全帖 |
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D*******e
发帖数: 12862 | 9 <3>
上一章写过了本世纪初洋基红袜响尾蛇交相辉映的那个时代，现在终于开始轮到写我最
熟悉的这批当代牛投们了。。。SI曾评选过一个MLB在00-09年间的all-decade team，
结果深与我心有戚戚焉--五位rotation投手就是我上一章写过的那三位大牛Pedro，
Johnson，Schilling，再加上新生代的两位翘楚Halladay & Santana。的确，如果要写
这个世纪以来最好的投手们，我心里大概有一个六七个人的名单，其中Doc本来就是排
在第一位的，他是我心目中这个时代的顶尖投手的代表，是ace of the aces，而现在
他的去世更坚定了我要用专门的一章来dedicate给他的想法，就像其他爱他的人用
youtube上的tribute videos来纪念他一样，希望能够向这位在我熟悉棒球的年代最稳
定最有统治力最优秀的投手致以一份深深的景仰和敬意(当然，还有无尽的惋惜与伤痛)。
很多时候不得不感慨人生中有无数的curve balls--假如邓... 阅读全帖 |
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b**l
发帖数: 33123 | 10 ☆─────────────────────────────────────☆
Dominique (曾经木木难为水 除却金色不是云) 于 (Tue Jan 9 03:13:56 2018, 美东) 提到:
<3>
上一章写过了本世纪初洋基红袜响尾蛇交相辉映的那个时代，现在终于开始轮到写我最
熟悉的这批当代牛投们了。。。SI曾评选过一个MLB在00-09年间的all-decade team，
结果深与我心有戚戚焉--五位rotation投手就是我上一章写过的那三位大牛Pedro，
Johnson，Schilling，再加上新生代的两位翘楚Halladay & Santana。的确，如果要写
这个世纪以来最好的投手们，我心里大概有一个六七个人的名单，其中Doc本来就是排
在第一位的，他是我心目中这个时代的顶尖投手的代表，是ace of the aces，而现在
他的去世更坚定了我要用专门的一章来dedicate给他的想法，就像其他爱他的人用
youtube上的tri... 阅读全帖 |
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G****a
发帖数: 10208 | 11 The last time the St. Louis Cardinals and the San Francisco Giants met in
the playoffs, in the 2012 National League Championship Series, the Cardinals
jumped out to a three-games-to-one lead and had a chance to close out the
series at home. Then the Giants stormed back, winning the last three games
in swift, dominating fashion.
John Mozeliak, the Cardinals’ general manager, recalled that series, the
collapse and the aftermath during batting practice Sunday evening. The
Cardinals did not sound an... 阅读全帖 |
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N********n
发帖数: 8363 | 12
than
pitches.
His three pitches are all fast ball alike. He should add a changeup to
better confuse the hitters. That said, I agree that he's good at an age
of 24.
Btw, what's your prediction on your Lowe? You a BoSox fan right? |
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y***r
发帖数: 65 | 13 天才少年Josh Beckett终于发飙，
9IP, 2Hit, 1BB, 11K, 115Pitch Complete Game Shutout
开始看他狂飙快球我还有点替他担心，不过他的control确实没得说，
fastball, breaking ball, changeup,。。。看得我目瞪口呆
Zambrano其实也不错了，可惜面对Lowell犯了个错误，另外这个人有点
过于情绪化了。
这个系列打到现在，Cubs的打线算是超常发挥了，另外他们的运气也好一点，
不过Marlins很有韧性，如果他们的先发投手能挺住，大翻盘也不是没有可能。
当然Cubs的机会大的多，Prior加Wood，就是有一个被打爆（可能性<50%),还
有另一个呢，而且他们似乎很善于在Wrighly Field打往家跑。
期待明天的比赛。。。 |
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a****r
发帖数: 154 | 14 从我看棒球开始，Mussina就是我的favorite. 现在不谦虚的说一句，他的比赛
我看得恐怕比这里任何人看得都多。 (当然他再在yankees混两年，这话就不成立
了)。playoff打到现在，Moose更是我这种非yankees饭，非sox饭的少数看点之一。
Moose是不是好投手？ absolutely. 是不是HOF投手, 我觉得N年以来就是差一层
窗户纸 (以他三张多的岁数，这层窗户纸看来是很难统破了。)
这层窗户纸到底是什么呢？ 我看主要是stuff因素，心理是其次。
看看现在还active的HOF级的投手和dominate的年轻投手，基本上都有个
strikeout pitch, 所谓杀手剪。 Pedro的changeup, 大件的slider,
超级马力的cutter, zito的curveball, Beckett前两天的4线高heater也
是屡K不爽。Moose属於多球路型， 没有dominate stuff. 又不象Maddux
最辉煌的时候总可以赢得裁判的call strike. 所以很吃亏。一度他曾经
号称全MLB里武器库最全的。16种球路。但真要到最 |
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B*****t
发帖数: 3012 | 15 fastball: 快球，速球，直球
breaking ball: 变化球
changeup: 变速球
curve ball: 曲线球
slider: 滑球
knuckleball: 蝴蝶球
two-seamer: 二缝线速球
four-seamer: 四缝线速球
cutter: 削角球
sinker: 伸卡球，下坠球
shooter: 喷射球
fork ball: 指叉球
splitter: 指叉球，分指速球 |
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B*****t
发帖数: 3012 | 17 Matsuzaka needs to learn something like a splitter or changeup to finishi
off the batter |
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a*****i
发帖数: 4391 | 18
You sound like a noob.
1: Yankees are grooming Mark Melancon as the closer of the future.
2: You don't need to maintain consistent 96 mph to get major league hitters
out. Changing speed, hit your spot, is MUCH MORE important. Keeping 96 mph
is only gonna get your young pitchers hurt. You only save your 96 mph heater
for the moment that you need a strike out to get out of a jam.
3: Did you see the game? His changeup was filthy. |
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q**u
发帖数: 12289 | 19 he'll see a lot of changeups then |
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a*****i
发帖数: 4391 | 21 His fastball is only around 87, 88mph now. |
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x**h
发帖数: 1564 | 22 jeter struck out by a 88mph FB... |
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B*****t
发帖数: 3012 | 23 Pedro can still throw his killer changeup |
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c********x
发帖数: 232 | 25 I think Chien Ming will be fine. His heavy sinker is a weapon. It would be g
reat if he could develop a decent and reliable changeup. That way, he will a
gain establish himself as an elite pitcher in the game.
The problem really is we do not know what he is suffering from. If it is jus
t a routine injury, he can be back. If it is anything psychological, we will
have to wait longer... |
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n*******e
发帖数: 2213 | 26 normally pitch selection is fastball, breaking ball, and changeup. others
like 2 seamer, splitter, curve, slider... are like subcategories.
curve is one type of breaking pitches. |
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z*****a
发帖数: 7716 | 27 你这个例子我觉得不是很说明问题呢，作为投手都想少失分啊，
手段不同不代表目的不同啊，strikeout pitcher和groundball pitcher本来就是不同的
9局下bases loaded，最好的情况当然都是不失分，呵呵
要追求sac fly的话，为啥不追求pop up呢，哈哈，追求groundball double play更赞
追求K的如果多用changeup或者slider，被打出HR的概率就比high fast ball要低吧，
这是追求W更多还是追求ERA更多呢？ |
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H*******o
发帖数: 504 | 28 too many walks, drop in fastball velocity. his changeup is still lethal so
still got a lot of Ks |
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n*******e
发帖数: 2213 | 29 Doc was OK yesterday. He had control issue in the first a couple of innings.
I think he walked four. But later on his changeup was light-out.
his fastball was still mediocre. |
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l*****d
发帖数: 1948 | 30 话说昨天scherzer投的第二局，满垒0 out的时候，突然97 mph的快球location找到了
，changeup到plate那里突然消失，接连两人三振，真乃大赛型选手 |
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z******n
发帖数: 1223 | 31 http://www.my-youth-baseball.com/difference-between-sinker-ball
"I would consider them both types of fastballs, so to speak. I would say
that:
A sinker （伸卡球） is a fastball that gradually moves downward.
A splitter （快速指叉球） is more like a breaking pitch in that a good one
“falls off the table” at the end."
那么伸卡球一般是导致滚地球出局，指叉球则是swing and miss，Koji Uehara就十分
依赖指叉球
以下据wiki
具体到王建民的sinker：
His sinker, which is responsible for his elevation to ace status, has very
impressive lateral movement （大概指的是水平移动吧... 阅读全帖 |
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z******n
发帖数: 1223 | 32 解说也有说错的时候
ALCS第二场Ortiz Grand Slam的回放，解说过24次WS的Fox解说顾问Tim Mccarver对着
慢镜头说“Fast Ball”
而第二天媒体报道一般说那个球是hanging changeup |
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G****a
发帖数: 10208 | 34 The last time the St. Louis Cardinals and the San Francisco Giants met in
the playoffs, in the 2012 National League Championship Series, the Cardinals
jumped out to a three-games-to-one lead and had a chance to close out the
series at home. Then the Giants stormed back, winning the last three games
in swift, dominating fashion.
John Mozeliak, the Cardinals’ general manager, recalled that series, the
collapse and the aftermath during batting practice Sunday evening. The
Cardinals did not sound an... 阅读全帖 |
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l********l
发帖数: 24 | 36 你儿子的问题和楼主一样. Young player shall not be concerned of batting speed
or power. Power will come with age. Trust me, try to focus on your son's
mechanics.
如果我说话更只接一些, 楼主和你儿子都有good hand eye cor-ordination which is
a gift given for most Asian kids. But the mechanics are wrong. as I
mentioned in my last post. Batting speed, hitting for power, make right
contact all boils down to make a straight line from ready position to make
contact. NO NO LOOPING. Looping will elevate ball for now, but it will be
bad... 阅读全帖 |
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m****t
发帖数: 1072 | 37 上季我带队也遇到类似的情况，如果遇到对方big hitter,就宁愿walk也不让他舒服打
，坚决投角落的球，我们年龄小一点，投fastball 或changeup,，你老大可以投curve。
事实证明策略是对的，最多被上一垒，大多被我们活捉。 |
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v*x
发帖数: 4785 | 38 双缝直球。。。。
changeup, slider, splitter
呵呵， 俺来乱地 |
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g******a
发帖数: 667 | 39 偶在BBO上叫changeup
号称Advanced，其实大概是Novice
属于对方叫什么偶就加成局的那种，LOL~~~~ |
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d*g
发帖数: 16592 | 40 我觉得还是他的changeup最近越来越炉火纯青了 |
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n********r
发帖数: 4558 | 41 Sure, everyone wants to lock FF at his BH side.
But you want to do so in CC changeup, rather than DTL, which
is a risky shot for everyone. |
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l******s
发帖数: 114 | 42 Domke F-5XC. For better quality and function, Thinktank Urban Disguise 30
and ChangeUp. |
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o******s
发帖数: 416 | 43 这个比较中肯。
个人觉得你应该算是在IT行业里没有成功转型的那种。这样会比较尴尬。
现在你想changeup了，但是像之前的人说的，去做IT的business绝对比去break into
finance来的要容易并且risk小些。
因为你索性要改变了，为何不增加以下自己的manage的能力而去学finance呢？毕竟你
有10年的经验了，把心思花在如何抓住市场然后根据自己的idea去做公司显得更实际些
。每门有每门的学问，也需要积累，如果你现在去改去做quant,不仅要把数学捡起来，
还要不断的更新自己的金融知识，而这些那些从本科就学习、关注这个行业的人绝对比
你有更大的竞争力，他们而且还年轻。
你可以去读MBA，但是你会发现里面分组做项目，做报告等都是根据自己的之前在某个
领域的经验的，到时候你会自然而然的去走IT startup的path了。MBA对你最大的收获
应该是培养你的biz sense,如果你没family不差钱，去读个转换一下自己也无妨，但是
没必要aim at finance world only.
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