B*Q
发帖数: 25729 | 1 自己也可以弹啊。俺跟娃们一起练。现在俺家大妞有八级，俺和小妞大约也有五级了。
大人也参入，小朋友更有动力。
跑完步，洗了澡后，弹上一曲Chopin，爽啊。 |
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d******0
发帖数: 22800 | 2 那你亏大了，玩欧洲主要就是那些背后的历史故事，之前的计划比看到实物还有意思，
很多也是边看边学到。对了还有名人的公墓，我上次忘掉了，真因该去看看jim
morrison的墓碑还有chopin的。照个相到此一游就成。 |
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m******c
发帖数: 2248 | 3 腾讯专访陈秀：愿回中国踢球 梦想成职业球员
腾讯体育6月20日里约热内卢讯（记者 许可(微博) 张正(微博)）巴西当地时间今天上
午，2013巴西联合会杯唯一的华人元素、塔希提华裔球员陈秀在巴拉喜来登酒店对面美
丽的海滩上，接受了腾讯体育记者的独家专访。身为业余球员的陈秀对腾讯记者表示，
自己最大的梦想就是成为一名职业球员。
“如果有机会成为一名职业球员，那我真就是梦想成真了。如果能有机会走出塔希提这
个小岛，到任何的一个国家或者地区踢球，比如欧洲甚至是到中国，那么我一定会好好
地珍惜这个机会。”陈秀说。
陈秀向腾讯体育记者透露，自己的祖父祖母都是来自中国，而自己的父亲也是一个地道
的中国人，“我爸爸来自江苏，但我不知道我的家乡是江苏的哪个城市，因为我一直没
去过中国，更没去过我的老家。小的时候，爸爸教过我中文，但仅仅限于一些简单的单
词，比如‘你好’、‘喝茶’、‘谢谢’……”
8岁的时候，陈秀就开始与足球结缘。“我的足球生涯准确的是从塔希提的一个附属岛
屿上开始的，之所以会爱上足球这个运动，我觉得是因为足球能赋予我很多的热情。这
次能来到巴西参加联合会杯，我真的非常开心，我知道自己代... 阅读全帖 |
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b****r
发帖数: 1395 | 4 据室友说，捷克比较便宜，而且风景也不错。朋友说波兰也挺好，德国电视广告上说
2010年是year of chopin，估计能有些特色旅游项目。
德国、法国、瑞士、英国都不错，就是贵一些。 |
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g***a
发帖数: 35 | 5 你们那里今天下雨了么？～ 清凉翠绿的清晨，来一首肖邦的《雨滴》吧～ ：）
弗雷德里克·弗朗索瓦·肖邦（Frédéric-François Chopin，1810年3月1日 -
1849年10月17日），是一位波兰音乐家、 作曲家、钢琴家。双鱼座。
《雨滴》创作于1838年，是浪漫主义钢琴前奏曲的创始人肖邦所创作的二十四首前奏曲
之一。二十四首前奏曲对整个浪漫主义音乐中产生重要的影响。《雨滴》是一首流行甚
广的前奏曲，它始终反复着一个单音，并伴随着单调的节奏，的确有雨水滴答之感。
提醒：这个视频6分钟以后就没有音乐了。O(∩_∩)O
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p********m
发帖数: 195 | 6 夜曲(nocturne)和小夜曲(serenade)是不同的音乐体裁，只是因为中文译名类似容易被
弄混。这首李小盆友演奏的是chopin的e flat major nocturne是他的op 9, no 2，也
是他最者名的夜曲，和其他诸如雨滴前奏曲，幻想即兴曲等，都是他的代表作。我比较
孤陋寡闻，对他的serenade不大熟悉，比较熟悉的有haydn, mozart的作品，不过以
schubert的那首最为著名，也是我小时候的favourite
郎朗和李云迪都是杰出的钢琴家，相对来说，郎朗比较爱说笑，演奏时表情夸张，涉猎
广泛，李云迪比较温文尔雅，演奏时比较专著，喜欢专精。两人的钢琴我都喜欢，但就
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b******n
发帖数: 2328 | 8 一首致敬肖邦的老歌
肖邦 (1810-03-01) |
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l****5
发帖数: 2968 | 14 这也是我最喜欢的Chopin作品之一。
不过演绎肖邦的曲子，一直都是很困难。似乎他的曲子总是那么地伤感。相比Bach，他
是如此的感伤。
符合双鱼爱幻想的性格，作的曲子很多变，升降一大堆。他，其实蛮典型的双鱼。 |
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s**********n
发帖数: 3199 | 15 Beethoven is a Gemini? shoot ... 很 Aries的feel啊 ...
Chopin ... 汗，很Pisces啊... |
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d***e
发帖数: 710 | 16 最早我听Strauss --- Hope you have past that stage, because I bet
most of the classical music lovers start disliking them afterwards.
Get yourself some chamber/instrumental music and opera highlights before
getting into symphonies and complete operas:
Just to name a few:
Parlman: Encore
Schubert: Trout Piano Quintet
Prokofiev: Peter & the Wolf
Debussy: 牧神午后prelude
Rossini: Il Barbiere di Siviglia
Baroque for dummies
Chopin: anything
Mozart: ...Anything! ANYthing!!!
我不知这些是不是入门//但都是在我的
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m*****d
发帖数: 1613 | 17
Symphonies:
Beethoven: No. 5 and 6 "Pastral"
Tchaikovsky: No. 6 "Pathetique"
Schubert: No. 8 " Unfinished"
Mozart: Last 3 No. 39-41
Dvorak: No. 9 "from the new world"
Concertos:
Violin: Beethoven, Brahms, Tchaikovsky
Piano: Tchaikovsky No.1 , Rachmaninov No.3, Beethoven, No.5
Piano solo:
Anything by Chopin. I recommend to start with the nocturnes
Several famous sonatas by Beethoven, " Moonlight", "
Passionate"...
Enjoy, anyhow, it is another world yet to be discovered for
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c****n
发帖数: 47 | 18
I think small pieces will be good at the beginning.
Besides others' suggestion, I recommend:
Beethoven's piano sonatas (almost everyone begins with
"pathetique", "moonlight", "appassionata", "waldstein"...)
Chopin's preludes and nocturnes.
Vivaldi, Abilioni, and others in their fashion.
DG complied an album called "Adagio" with pieces from
various composers, which is popular and may be interesting to you too.
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y****e
发帖数: 107 | 19
很难给debussy定位，所以搞出了个impressionism的词。
他的音乐很少涉及情感的内心表达，而且因为他的作品大多比较短小
，基本都是自由体裁，所以也不太注重作曲的结构技法。我感觉他音
乐，尤其是钢琴音乐，的迷人之出在于那种sensitivity，在于某种
瞬间的感觉(不是感受)的表达。他音乐中引入’新‘的音乐元素倒还
在其次。
他的表达介于中间层次，既不涉及深层的内心感受，但也不只是白描
，写实式表达客观。我不知道该怎样说，打个比方就好象是人(生物
体)对外界刺激，如光，影，气味变化时瞬间反应的记录。在这点上
，debussy的音乐和绘画的impressionmism极为相似，或者说简直就
是如出一辙。
其实我倒愿意将他列入类似’神秘主义‘一类，其它还有chopin，sc
riabin，satie...
顺便说一句，debussy的trio和他后期的音乐风格完全不是一回事。
好象老柴和梅克妇人的通信里说那是debussy在梅克家当家教时创作
的，当时他只有18岁(？)。后来因为恋爱梅克的女儿不成，黯然回国
。乱想，如果debussy在俄国扎根，还会有后来的debussy吗 |
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d***e
发帖数: 710 | 20 If you are really serious in getting yourself something practical and affordable, I recommend a "Digital Piano"
Used wooden pianos are cheap, you can rent a good one cheap, too. But they have the following disadvantages
first: I assume that you live in an apartment and have a roommate(s) and/or neighbors
I believe that unless you are Chopin and they are your fans, you can't play the wooden piano whenEVER you want.
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w*******n
发帖数: 4188 | 21 From my experience,this guide put too much weight on the
sound quality.And it
judges the CD from the common standard.They do not like
something too special
or particular.For example,Gould's 1981 Goldberg Variation
gets very bad evaluation.
And his well-tempered clavier has been mentioned yet.For
some great recording
with not good sound effects,such as Casals,μ秨孽狽柑's
Chopin ,have not been
mentioned.It also pay a lot of attention to the price.And
they have some special
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H**p
发帖数: 135 | 22 来自主题: ClassicalMusic版 - 肖邦CD I have the Perahia version. That is a live recording, so
with some
surronding noise. However, the performance is great. Perahia
is the
kind of pianist who can dig out the most subtle details of
the works.
Somebody claim that Argerich is masuline player while
Perahia is faminine.
Superficially, it makes sense. Anybody can give further
analysis?
By the way, How is Zimmermann's piano concerto?
I bought a complete collection of Chopin's piano works by
Ashkenazy,
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r**z
发帖数: 1793 | 25 kissin 弹的肖邦太美了
我的最爱是李帕蒂。只可惜录的太少了。而且几乎是人见人爱。不止肖邦，弹什么都巨
好。
李赫特我也比较喜欢的，也是他弹什么我几乎都喜欢，尤其肖邦和老莫。现在活着的人
听过一盘Andrei Gavrilov的练习曲，还是在车里听的，相当不错 |
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J****r
发帖数: 304 | 26 just a kindly reminder, it's "mazurka": ) |
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c********n
发帖数: 1964 | 27 Horowitz should be one of the best! But no one can imitate him. His play is
so special!
★ 发自iPhone App: ChineseWeb - 中文网站浏览器 |
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J****r
发帖数: 304 | 28 Totally agree! His playing is something you either love or hate though. Has
a lot of his signatures in his rendition.
is |
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p**********d
发帖数: 7918 | 29 比較喜歡詩意一點的詮釋：Murray Perahia的練習曲和即興曲都不錯。 |
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r**z
发帖数: 1793 | 30 kissin 弹的肖邦太美了
我的最爱是李帕蒂。只可惜录的太少了。而且几乎是人见人爱。不止肖邦，弹什么都巨
好。
李赫特我也比较喜欢的，也是他弹什么我几乎都喜欢，尤其肖邦和老莫。现在活着的人
听过一盘Andrei Gavrilov的练习曲，还是在车里听的，相当不错 |
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J****r
发帖数: 304 | 31 just a kindly reminder, it's "mazurka": ) |
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c********n
发帖数: 1964 | 32 Horowitz should be one of the best! But no one can imitate him. His play is
so special!
★ 发自iPhone App: ChineseWeb - 中文网站浏览器 |
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J****r
发帖数: 304 | 33 Totally agree! His playing is something you either love or hate though. Has
a lot of his signatures in his rendition.
is |
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p**********d
发帖数: 7918 | 34 比較喜歡詩意一點的詮釋：Murray Perahia的練習曲和即興曲都不錯。 |
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发帖数: 13 | 35 竟然没有cortot 和 rachmaninov... |
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a********o
发帖数: 585 | 37 Did you really? I have a suggest for you. Try to play some.
Playing one's
work is totally different from only listening.
I played so many years of piano, so I have not many time to
listen to much.
ANd I feel everytime I played a piece, I understand better.
I also have an idea. Try to understand those works by
reading the score, analyzing
the harmony and structure. Read some books. That's another
totally different
of appreicaiting master's piececs.
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w********h
发帖数: 12367 | 38 【 以下文字转载自 ECUST 讨论区,原文如下 】
发信人: wonderlich (左岸), 信区: ECUST
标 题: 还是只有巴赫。
发信站: The unknown SPACE (Tue Dec 26 22:08:02 2000) WWW-POST
今天买了三张CD。
一张Bach,
一张Charlotte Church,
一张Maxim Vengerov演奏的Mozart,
Beethoven和Mendelssohn的Violin Sonata.
听了感觉，
还是只有Bach.
深入人内心世界，
不知道怎么，
就随着他碎碎的音符平静下来。
象是在教堂看那天庭上透下来的阳光。
肃静。
可惜这张CD没有Fuge。
我发现只有Bach可以如此耐听。
以前的Mozart,
Tchaichovski,
Chopin,
甚至Beethoven,
有时候很可怕地厌烦。
我知道不是他们的缘故，
是我的心情的问题，
但走到Bach面前，
都好了。
Allegretto说，
Bach is imcomparable.
我想是对的。 |
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发帖数: 585 | 39 I love Chopin. I am also pretty scared of playing him,
though.
It is really strange that he is not so popular
as other composers. And I always think there is some
misunderstand
about his music and his spirit. He is a total talent.
For without him, there will no modren piano. |
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w*******n
发帖数: 4188 | 40 I have heard several pieces in Tower Record,such as
Heifetz's Brahmas,Cortot's Chopin,Toscanni's Beethoven.The
sound quality is far below the standard requirement.I
think,for the beginner,those are not first choice,because
you can not fully appreciate the delicacy and nuance of the
performance.But for comparison and collection purpose, it is
worthwhile.
Another thing about these old recording is that you can not
turn on the volume too large.If you just set the volume to
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w********h
发帖数: 12367 | 41 最后的二重奏---萧邦的大提琴与钢琴奏鸣曲慢板乐章
萧邦(Fryderyk Chopin,1810-1849)是在音乐史上唯一以“钢琴曲”
称霸乐坛的演奏家与作曲家，甚至他的钢琴协奏曲中的乐团伴奏部份
都是处于完全“靠边站”的地位，也就是说，在萧邦的作品中，没有
一样乐器能与钢琴喧宾夺主，但有一项乐器除外，那就是大提琴。
只是这个大提琴来的时候，却是萧邦面对人生最脆弱的时候。
其实在萧邦十八岁，还在音乐院求学时，他曾经写过一首给钢琴、小
提琴与大提琴的三重奏，从此之后，这样有“热闹”气氛的组合就一
直没有再出现。因为他的生活是孤单的，很难想象像萧邦这样一位英
俊的才子，在感情方面的路途却是像所有浪漫乐派的作曲家一样(只
有几个例外)：坎坷不已啊！
历史上有记载三次萧邦的恋情，第一次是音乐院的女高音，萧邦将他
对她的爱意写到第二号钢琴协奏曲里，就像一首意大利歌剧里的优美
咏叹调，而这段单恋也真的被“咏叹”掉了，第二次是父亲好友的女
儿，也是完全的空欢喜一番。不知道是萧邦有问题还是他喜欢的女性
有问题？
而以上这个疑问被当时的音乐家大情圣，在事业与感情都无所不利的
匈牙利钢琴家兼作曲家兼作 |
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f**m
发帖数: 246 | 42 ft! 应该是CDRs
chopin/debussy/rachmaninov/scriabin |
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f**m
发帖数: 246 | 43 反馈同学，俺在这里光荣之前吐血奉送你几句，回头刑场上别忘了给俺喊口号啊！
想听scriabin, 按江core水平巨隆重推荐以下4位
1。vladimir sofronitsky
这位可有来头，乃是scriabin的正宗女婿，但没和老丈人见过面。想当年可是与gilels和
richter齐名的大佬。但他由于受到资产阶级自由化思潮的影响沾染了不良嗜好，腐化堕
落，没有被前苏联象李吉两人以健康形象包装走向世界，终自毁前途。
他是scriabin忠实信徒，一生普及推广scriabin的音乐(bizarre,‘格调低下’‘不怎么
健康’)，其演奏的scriabin -- intensely atmospheric, powerful and emotionally
involving，有淋漓尽致之感。
由于过早夭折，他的唱片不多，也比较难找，多是前苏联的品牌。难得的是20th great
pianists里居然收录他演奏的chopin和scriabin，真实慧眼识英雄啊。
philips - great pianists of 20th
2。richter
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f**m
发帖数: 246 | 44 sound effect? let me think think,
arthur rubinstein plays chopin, emi classics references
piano con 1/2#, completed nocturnes, mazurkas/polonaises
i only have nocturnes (2cd), mazurkas/polonaises (3cd), recorded in 1930'(?),
very very pure and vivid sound |
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f******k
发帖数: 297 | 45 花乐一点时间整理乐一下钢琴家的师承关系, 对于钢琴派系的发展的了解
还是挺有帮助的。大家快快补充呀。
Beethoven - Czerny
Czerny - Liszt，Letchetisky
Liszt - Martin Kraus, Tausig, D'Albert, Josseffy, Buelow, Siloti
Chopin - Miluti, Emile Decombes
Miluti, Josseffy, Liszt - Rosenthal
Letchetisky - Paderewsky, Schnabel, Moiseiwitch, Friedman, Horszowsky, Essipoff, Vengerova
Godowsky - Neuhaus
Vassily Safonov - Lhevinne
Anton Rubinstein - Hofman, Blumenfeld
Zverev, Siloti - Rachmaninov
Martin Krause - Arrau, Edwin Fischer
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f******k
发帖数: 297 | 46 you may have not heard too many distinctive recordings
to get the idea of different interpretation. like for chopin's
nocturnes, i do not believe you can't tell the difference
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a********o
发帖数: 585 | 47 from CD booklet of Geza Anda
playing Chopin etudes, a Schumann and a Schubert
piece.
The seeker of Poetry
by Piero Rattalino
Hungry is a small but very musical country and, you
might say, very pianistic. But it wasn't at all
pianistic when Liszt was born there in 1811. Neither
Buda nor Pest nor any other Hungarian city could even
remotely compete with Prague, not to mention Vienna,
queen of the piano from the time Mozart took up
residence. Liszt was born of Austrian parents in a
village locate |
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a********o
发帖数: 585 | 48 I love all of them.Every beloved one makes my life happier.
Today I met Barber; the other day I encounter Beethovan;
Next time I refind Bramhs; tomorrow night will be my lovely Mozart.
8pm is for Bach; 8am is for Chopin.
3pm is for Shostakovich;3am is for Rachmaninov.
This is a piece of orchestra; That is perfect for piano solo.
What an amazing piece of string quratet!
Oh, I have to play Scriabin and hopefully can learn some Handel.
All these great works, even the less unknown ones, all add joy |
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发帖数: 54 | 49 百听不厌，有一些真的有《笑傲江湖》里面的《清心普善咒》的神韵。
把我手头的鲁宾斯坦的邦哥全集列个表吧。
11 disks, 154 tracks, average track length: 4:31
Total length: 11 hours 36 minutes 29 seconds. You can enjoy two times a day!
Artur Rubinstein
The Chopin Collection
1991 BMG Music
All Selection recorded prior to 1972
60822-2-RG
RCA Victor Gold Seal
Disc 1
1-9 Nocturnes, Op. 9, 15, 27 & 32
Disc 2
Track 1-10 Nocturnes, Op. 37, 48, 55, 62 & 72
Disc 3
Track 1-26 Mazurkas, Op. 6, 7, 17, 24, 30, 33 &41/1
Disc 4
Track 1-25 Mazurkas, Op. 41/2-4, 50, 56 |
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z****g
发帖数: 14 | 50 我觉得最重要的是（固定）低音声部。有了作为基础的低音，旋律的变化可以无穷无尽，
像
Goldberg Variation, Chaccone (我的最爱 - 顺便问一句, 这儿有Chaccone fan吗?).
同样的,许多Jazz 甚至POP都有着carefully written的低音声部.
我认为和声也是艺术. Some composers are "melody oriented" (such as Chopin),
other composers are "Harmony-oriented", like Bach. For Bach, he usually didn't
care about the melody, but instead trying to "dig" as much as possible out of
the harmonies implied in that melody.
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