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T**********e
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德国大赛特点是小组成绩好,淘汰赛就一场不如一场,因为后来的多是些巨狡猾的
survivor,半决赛决赛总要碰上大力,板鸭,巴西这等技术克制型队伍,被打得完全没
有脾气。
1990年德国状态最好,南斯拉夫,半决赛兰,决赛婷,全是德国能对付的对手。
以后就再也没有这样的好事了。
尤其是这些年德国没有一个中场领军人物,可以在遇到打法被抑制的时候调整队伍灵光
一现,以求超水平发挥。
教练勒夫不行,两次关键时刻见板鸭就缴枪,完全是conventional thinking,没法指
望了。
以前德甲几个冠军教练Ottmar Hitzfeld,Chritopher Daum,Otto Rehhagel都是自己
很有一套的人物。
Daum本来要成为国家队教练结果被发现吸毒。
Rehhagel是个大能,执教希腊当偷鸡乌龟夺欧冠,也能让德甲的队伍攻势犀利,可惜也
没当国家队教练。
贝肯鲍尔坚决地当足球官员不再执教。
后来的Berti Vogt一个前国家队平庸后卫,Rudi Voeller前二流前锋,Klinsman稍微好
一点但属于玩票性质。
现在这个勒夫,球员时期基本在乙级队转国家队都没进过,当俱乐部教... 阅读全帖
f******k
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来自主题: Reader版 - Jean Chritophe
今天正巧有空到DC的一家小有名气的旧书店逛了逛. 书店门面不大,
有些打折的书干脆就摆到外面, 种类也乱七八糟的. 我翻着翻着,
竟然发现了一本Everyman's Library 31年版的Jean Christophe,
书是Hardcover的, 保存的还可以, 就是书内脊有些裂. 随便翻了
两页, 感觉英文翻译的非常流畅, 喜出望外中赶紧买了下来, 才
三个大洋, hoho, 这个可是偶小时候精神上的偶像呀.
其实Romain Rolland的东东在美国并不畅销, 就是Jean Christophe
这样的巨著也是早就out of print了. 感觉可能是美国人对于Romain
Rolland塑造出来的这样的英雄人物不太感冒, 对于上世纪初的整个
欧洲的意识形态没有兴趣, 抑或是Romain Rolland有那种Socialism倾
向的缘故?
b**L
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来自主题: Reader版 - Jean Chritophe
为什么这样的好事我从来碰不到?
m*******y
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来自主题: Reader版 - Jean Chritophe
偶现在正在重读这本书
英文翻译的实在是太流畅了
d*****s
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来自主题: Reader版 - Jean Chritophe
I do not know about the english version but the chinese version
translated by Fu Lei, in my humble opinion, might not be worse
than any other translated version, if not better.
Translator like Fu Lei is one per one hundred years. I pretty
much appreciate his work.
b*s
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来自主题: Reader版 - Jean Chritophe
They have too many choices. In every issue of any literature
magazine, reviews of the new books are overwhelming. They cannot
find time to read those copyright-expired old scrap, :-)
Rolland no longer have book promotion travels, no publisher think it
worthwhile to do promition for him, he's destined to remain his
honorable obscurity. He already yielded the spot to Micheal Crichton
for his new "Prey".
f******k
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来自主题: Reader版 - Jean Chritophe
well, i do not think it is solely for publicity
that throws the novel into oblivion. the value
of a novel, as i see, depends on the intrinsic
tie between culture and the work, that's how
'timeless' comes. there are still some "copyright-
expired old crap" floating around, like Thomas
Mann's Magic Mountain, Proust's Rememberance, etc.
But our old Jean Christophe remains in obscurity.
b**h
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来自主题: Reader版 - Jean Chritophe
Don't know why you called Proust's Remembrance as a crap. Actually I have read
Christophe but don't like it. It's quite normal that for any novel, some
people like it while others don't. It totally depends on his or her personal
taste. You don't need to denigrate one book just to praise another one.
As for why Jean Christophe is out of print here, one reason is probably due to
its extreme idealism, which does not fly nowadays.
在 feedback (milkdrop) 的大作中提到: 】
g*********t
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来自主题: Reader版 - Jean Chritophe
Don't you see Feedback Quote "crap".He actually think they are classical
pieces.
You guys might share the same idea:). Language obscurity:)

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