R*o
发帖数: 3781 | 1 2:25-29 In 2:25-29 Paul further explains (note the “For” in 2:25) vv. 21-2
4 by way of the best example he can think of—circumcision. He explains why
Gentiles blaspheme the name of God; it is because the Jews, even though circ
umcised, do not live up to their profession. But Paul also goes further than
this in 2:25-29.
Paul says that circumcision (peritomhv, peritome) is definitely not a “tick
et” to the world to come. In short, it is of no value if not attended by fa
ithful practice (pravssh/",... 阅读全帖 |
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发帖数: 3781 | 2 2:25-29 In 2:25-29 Paul further explains (note the “For” in 2:25) vv. 21-2
4 by way of the best example he can think of—circumcision. He explains why
Gentiles blaspheme the name of God; it is because the Jews, even though circ
umcised, do not live up to their profession. But Paul also goes further than
this in 2:25-29.
Paul says that circumcision (peritomhv, peritome) is definitely not a “tick
et” to the world to come. In short, it is of no value if not attended by fa
ithful practice (pravssh/",... 阅读全帖 |
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c******i
发帖数: 4091 | 3 http://www.circumcision.org/confessions.htm
Confessions of a Circumcised Man
"This is winter wheat we’re sowing, and other hands will harvest."
Elizabeth Cady Stanton, American Universal Suffrage Leader
For as long as I can remember, I’ve loved sunsets and impressionist oil
paintings. The subtle interplay of color and light has always struck me as
beautiful, even sublime. I couldn’t imagine anything being more lovely.
So much so, that I was dumbstruck to learn at the age of 18 that I was color
b... 阅读全帖 |
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发帖数: 6791 | 4 Romans 2:17-29 The Jews and the Law
17Now you, if you call yourself a Jew; if you rely on the law and brag about
your relationship to God; 18if you know his will and approve of what is
superior because you are instructed by the law; 19if you are convinced that
you are a guide for the blind, a light for those who are in the dark, 20an
instructor of the foolish, a teacher of infants, because you have in the law
the embodiment of knowledge and truth— 21you, then, who teach others, do
you not teach ... 阅读全帖 |
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发帖数: 6791 | 5 Romans 2:17-29 The Jews and the Law
17Now you, if you call yourself a Jew; if you rely on the law and brag about
your relationship to God; 18if you know his will and approve of what is
superior because you are instructed by the law; 19if you are convinced that
you are a guide for the blind, a light for those who are in the dark, 20an
instructor of the foolish, a teacher of infants, because you have in the law
the embodiment of knowledge and truth— 21you, then, who teach others, do
you not teach ... 阅读全帖 |
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发帖数: 5754 | 6
26. Therefore if the uncircumcision keep the righteousness of the law, shall
not his uncircumcision be counted for circumcision?
"26. If then the uncircumcision, etc. This is a very strong argument. Every
thing is below its end and subordinate to it. Circumcision looks to the law,
and must therefore be inferior to it: it is then a greater thing to keep
the law than circumcision, which was for its sake instituted. It hence
follows, that the uncircumcised, provided he keeps the law, far excels th... 阅读全帖 |
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发帖数: 5754 | 7
的人麽。
27. And shall not uncircumcision which is by nature, if it fulfil the law,
judge thee, who by the letter and circumcision dost transgress the law?
"27. By the letter and circumcision, etc. A construction [85]which means a
literal circumcision. He does not mean that they violated the law, because
they had the literal circumcision; but because they continued, though they
had the outward rite, to neglect the spiritual worship of God, even piety,
justice, judgment, and truth, which are the chi... 阅读全帖 |
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m****s
发帖数: 18160 | 8 ☆─────────────────────────────────────☆
Dramaer (不要问我从那里来) 于 (Fri Oct 22 12:02:52 2010, 美东) 提到:
Act 1：1-11 Jesus Taken Up Into Heaven
1In my former book, Theophilus, I wrote about all that Jesus began to do and
to teach 2until the day he was taken up to heaven, after giving
instructions through the Holy Spirit to the apostles he had chosen. 3After
his suffering, he showed himself to these men and gave many convincing
proofs that he was alive. He appeared to them over a period of forty days
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发帖数: 8775 | 9 Please see Romans 2
28 A person is not a Jew who is one only outwardly, nor is circumcision
merely outward and physical. 29 No, a person is a Jew who is one inwardly;
and circumcision is circumcision of the heart, by the Spirit, not by the
written code. Such a person’s praise is not from other people, but from God.
For Christians, we are circumcisized in heart by the Spirit. It's a
spiritural circumcision.
To summarize, circumcision will not make one Christian, circumcision is not
required for g... 阅读全帖 |
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l****i
发帖数: 394 | 10 怕你有兴趣要读更多scientific evidence，这里下面还有。我对割包皮中立， 虽然我
儿子割了。只是你这种上来就挑衅科学的态度，让人看不惯。要文献自己查呀。要是文
献都不会查，还是说什么scientific evidence.
Bailey RC, Moses S, Parker CB, Agot K, Maclean I, et al. (2007) Male
circumcision for HIV prevention in young men in kisumu, kenya: A randomised
controlled trial. Lancet 369(9562): 643–656. Find this article online
Gray RH, Kigozi G, Serwadda D, Makumbi F, Watya S, et al. (2007) Male
circumcision for HIV prevention in men in rakai, uganda: A randomised trial.
Lancet 369(9562): ... 阅读全帖 |
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发帖数: 6791 | 11 Romans 4:Abraham Justified by Faith
1What then shall we say that Abraham, our forefather, discovered in this
matter? 2If, in fact, Abraham was justified by works, he had something to
boast about—but not before God. 3What does the Scripture say? “Abraham
believed God, and it was credited to him as righteousness.”a
4Now when a man works, his wages are not credited to him as a gift, but as
an obligation. 5However, to the man who does not work but trusts God who
justifies the wicked, his faith is cr... 阅读全帖 |
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发帖数: 6791 | 12 Romans 4:Abraham Justified by Faith
1What then shall we say that Abraham, our forefather, discovered in this
matter? 2If, in fact, Abraham was justified by works, he had something to
boast about—but not before God. 3What does the Scripture say? “Abraham
believed God, and it was credited to him as righteousness.”a
4Now when a man works, his wages are not credited to him as a gift, but as
an obligation. 5However, to the man who does not work but trusts God who
justifies the wicked, his faith is cr... 阅读全帖 |
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发帖数: 1776 | 13 CHAPTER XXVII
Of the Sacraments
I. Sacraments are holy signs and seals of the covenant of grace,[511] immedi
ately instituted by God,[512] to represent Christ, and his benefits; and to
confirm our interest in him:[513] as also, to put a visible difference betwe
en those that belong unto the church, and the rest of the world;[514] and so
lemnly to engage them to the service of God in Christ, according to his Word
.[515]
II. There is, in every sacrament, a spiritual relation, or sacramental union
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发帖数: 3781 | 14 D. Simple Point Outline
I. The Claims of the Jew and His Role among the Gentiles (2:17-20)
A. The Claims of the Jew (2:17-18)
1. He Calls Himself a Jew (2:17)
2. He Relies on the Law (2 :17)
3. He Boasts in His Relationship with God (2:17)
4. He Knows God’s Will (2:18)
5. He Approves of Superior Things (2:18)
6. He Is Instructed out of the Law (2:18)
B. The Mediatorial Role of the Jew (2:19-20)
The Jew is convinced he…
1. Is a Guide to the Blind (2:19)
2. Is a Light to Those in Darkness (2:19)
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发帖数: 3781 | 15 D. Simple Point Outline
I. The Claims of the Jew and His Role among the Gentiles (2:17-20)
A. The Claims of the Jew (2:17-18)
1. He Calls Himself a Jew (2:17)
2. He Relies on the Law (2 :17)
3. He Boasts in His Relationship with God (2:17)
4. He Knows God’s Will (2:18)
5. He Approves of Superior Things (2:18)
6. He Is Instructed out of the Law (2:18)
B. The Mediatorial Role of the Jew (2:19-20)
The Jew is convinced he…
1. Is a Guide to the Blind (2:19)
2. Is a Light to Those in Darkness (2:19)
3... 阅读全帖 |
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发帖数: 3781 | 16 4:9-10 There are those who argue that v. 9 begins a new paragraph, but this
is unlikely since the themes of “blessing,” “crediting,” and “faith” a
re simply worked out in a little greater detail.
Now a Jew might respond to Paul’s argument by claiming that justification i
s possible, but only for the Jew as the texts cited from the OT were given t
o and applied to Jews only. After all, Abraham is their father, and David wa
s their king; indeed most of David's enemies were Gentiles!
The argument o... 阅读全帖 |
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发帖数: 1191 | 17 Romans 4
Abraham Justified by Faith
1 What then shall we say that Abraham our father has found according to the
flesh?[a] 2 For if Abraham was justified by works, he has something to
boast about, but not before God. 3 For what does the Scripture say? “
Abraham believed God, and it was accounted to him for righteousness.”[b] 4
Now to him who works, the wages are not counted as grace but as debt.
David Celebrates the Same Truth
5 But to him who does not work but believes on Him who justifies th... 阅读全帖 |
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发帖数: 4796 | 18 从报道上看没有任何医学上的必须理由割包皮，父亲强行要求割，母亲就因为不愿意签
署同意书，就被硬生生关进大牢。
小孩已经4岁，已经懂事了，这个父亲也不征求孩子的意见，这个年纪上不必要的手术
对孩子的身心造成很大不必要的痛苦。
割包皮本身就是犹太人的恶习。除非因为有医学需要比如包茎之类，否则凭什么把孩子
包皮硬生生割掉？割不割包皮等孩子长大自己决定不行吗？
http://www.msn.com/en-us/news/crime/florida-woman-released-in-j
Florida woman released in jailing over son's circumcision
WEST PALM BEACH, Fla. — A Florida woman jailed in a long-running dispute
over her son's circumcision has been released after nine nights behind bars.
Heather Hironimus, 31, posted bond and was release... 阅读全帖 |
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发帖数: 82482 | 19 多余不多余，看情况。你说智齿多余么？
根据Mayo Clinic，好处有：
Easier hygiene. Circumcision makes it simpler to wash the penis. Washing
beneath the foreskin of an uncircumcised penis is generally easy, however.
Decreased risk of urinary tract infections. The overall risk of urinary
tract infections in males is low, but these infections are more common in
uncircumcised males. Severe infections early in life can lead to kidney
problems later on.
Decreased risk of sexually transmitted infections. Circumcised men might
have... 阅读全帖 |
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发帖数: 3781 | 20 also found in Romans 2: 25 Circumcision has value if you observe the law,
but if you break the law, you have become as though you had not been
circumcised. 26 So then, if those who are not circumcised keep the law’s
requirements, will they not be regarded as though they were circumcised? 27
The one who is not circumcised physically and yet obeys the law will condemn
you who, even though you have the[c] written code and circumcision, are a
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发帖数: 3781 | 21 B. Translation of Passage in NET
2:17 But if you call yourself a Jew and rely on the law and boast of your re
lationship to God
2:18 and know his will and approve the superior things because you receive i
nstruction from the law,
2:19 and if you are convinced that you yourself are a guide to the blind, a
light to those who are in darkness,
2:20 an educator of the senseless, a teacher of little children, because you
have in the law the essential features of knowledge and of the truth—
2:21 theref... 阅读全帖 |
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发帖数: 3781 | 22 B. Translation of Passage in NET
2:17 But if you call yourself a Jew and rely on the law and boast of your re
lationship to God
2:18 and know his will and approve the superior things because you receive i
nstruction from the law,
2:19 and if you are convinced that you yourself are a guide to the blind, a
light to those who are in darkness,
2:20 an educator of the senseless, a teacher of little children, because you
have in the law the essential features of knowledge and of the truth—
2:21 theref... 阅读全帖 |
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发帖数: 3781 | 23 B. Translation of Passage in NET
4:1 What then shall we say that Abraham, our ancestor according to the flesh
, has discovered regarding this matter?
4:2 For if Abraham was declared righteous by the works of the law, he has so
mething to boast about (but not before God).
4:3 For what does the scripture say? “Abraham believed God, and it was cred
ited to him as righteousness.”
4:4 Now to the one who works, his pay is not credited due to grace but due t
o obligation.
4:5 But to the one who does no... 阅读全帖 |
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发帖数: 1191 | 24 Romans 2
1Therefore thou art inexcusable, O man, whosoever thou art that judgest: for
wherein thou judgest another, thou condemnest thyself; for thou that
judgest doest the same things.
2But we are sure that the judgment of God is according to truth against them
which commit such things.
3And thinkest thou this, O man, that judgest them which do such things, and
doest the same, that thou shalt escape the judgment of God?
4Or despisest thou the riches of his goodness and forbearance and
longsuffe... 阅读全帖 |
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发帖数: 28 | 25 I can't believe I did recalculate the data myself, though I am not familiar
with the statistics analysis.
根据你提供的文章， 这些是对比数据
没有STD的： for circumcised 634/1109=57.1%, for uncircumcised 221/347=63.6%
好像uncircumsized 的STD rate要低。Is it against the conclusion of the study?
??
不知道为什么文章只列出下面3项指标
1. Gonorrhea: circumcised 83/1109=7.4%，uncircumcised 36/347=10.3%
2. Chlamydia: circumcised 88/1109=7.9%，uncircumcised 23/347=6.6%
3. Syphilis: circumcised 6/1109=0.54%，uncircumcised 36/347=1.1%
以上这些数据可能是我理解有误。我个... 阅读全帖 |
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发帖数: 1312 | 26 既然你提到CDC了，那我们就把学术进行到底吧。
先看第一个，cervical cancer，就是宫颈癌以及HPV和割包皮的关系。
CDC的结论来自12年前2002年的这篇文章：
Castellsague X, Bosch FX, Munoz N, Meijer CJ, Shah KV, de Sanjose S, et al.
Male circumcision, penile human papillomavirus infection, and cervical
cancer in female partners. N Engl J Med. 2002 Apr 11;346(15):1105-12.
这篇文章的结论是：Male circumcision is associated with a reduced risk of
penile HPV infection and, in the case of men with a history of multiple
sexual partners, a reduced risk of cervical cancer in thei... 阅读全帖 |
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发帖数: 5754 | 27
28. For he is not a Jew which is one outwardly; neither is that circumcision
which is outward in the flesh:
"28. For a Jew is not he, etc. The meaning is, that a real Jew is not to be
ascertained, either by natural descent, or by profession, or by an external
symbol; that the circumcision which constitutes a Jew, does not consist in
an outward sign only, but that both are inward. And what he subjoins with
regard to true circumcision, is taken from various passages of Scripture,
and even from it... 阅读全帖 |
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发帖数: 2318 | 28 A 21-year-old man in Tianjin has had his penis cut off after what appears to
be a botched circumcision procedure just two weeks before his wedding
ceremony.
Xiaohe (not his real name) said he decided to go for circumcision before his
big day but his wound would not recover following the operation, despite
days of transfusion.
Immediately following operation on November 11, 2011, Xiaohe said he felt a
sharp pain in his penis the day after, and his penis began to swell,
eventually turning red, and... 阅读全帖 |
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D***r
发帖数: 7511 | 29 wiki上有，现在人数变少了点，主要因为老莫不割
Data from a national survey conducted from 1999 to 2002 found that the
overall prevalence of male circumcision in the United States was 79%.[31] 91
% of men born in the 1970s, and 83% of boys born in the 1980s were
circumcised.[31] An earlier survey, conducted in 1992, found a circumcision
prevalence of 77% in US-born men, born from 1932–1974, including 81% of non
-Hispanic White men, 65% of Black men, and 54% of Hispanic men, vs. 42% of
non U.S. born men who were circum... 阅读全帖 |
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发帖数: 435 | 30 circumcision is not without risks. 没必要take unnecessary risk （要是父亲或在母亲那方没有问题的话). 对于surgeon
来说是small surgery, 但毕竟是surgery阿。我在pediatric urology rotation看到过
几个circumcision的手术，其实不止剪一刀那么简单阿。a lot of things can go
wrong.
要是有空大家可以看看circumcision的手术。http://www.surgeryvideo.net/circumcision-surgery-videos |
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发帖数: 12899 | 31 ☆─────────────────────────────────────☆
lovelg (yaya) 于 (Mon Jun 20 22:16:34 2011, 美东) 提到:
发这个帖子是看到了有手术出现问题的例子，有感而发，也是为了提醒准父母们如果没有家族病史的原因,作谨慎的选择。保留到明天，就删了.
http://www.surgeryvideo.net/circumcision-surgery-videos
偶然间看到 emdeetobee mm贴的切包皮视频手术，过程真的是很复杂，更恐怖的是，其
中一例是小孩无麻醉的状态下做的。
我是个女娃妈，但我真的不明白，如果是不必要的手术，为什么那么多家长都盲从
所谓朋友邻居同事的经历，(我记得之前还有人说是未来可能的peer pressure),把明明
是孩子应该给自己的身体做决定的事情，家长先“替”孩子做了决定？
想想谁家的孩子不是爹妈的心头肉？心肝宝贝就这么轻易的在小小孩的时候经历这种痛
苦！？
切包皮的来源是旧约圣经，如果是笃信宗教也就罢了。但是在美国的中国家长，我们中
国有几个孩子是小小孩就做这种手术的？哎，真是... 阅读全帖 |
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发帖数: 2896 | 32 此为一家之言，而且原话用的就是“may","could"这种含糊字眼，你用paper里的这种
话指导别人，除了“不负责任”，我不知道说什么好。这个地方说的比较全面
http://www.promescent.com/about-premature-ejaculation/adult-cir
结论是，调查问卷可能受文化影响，此中联系仍然不不清。
Rates of premature ejaculation in the US (where circumcision is popular) are
similar to other parts of the world where circumcision rates are
dramatically lower and, in many countries, near zero. In spite of the much
higher rates of circumcision, we have found no evidence that men in South
Korea have significantly lower rate... 阅读全帖 |
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发帖数: 4124 | 33 病人输了，而且事情跟病人自己说的不太一样
Ky. jury rules against penis amputation patient
SHELBYVILLE, Ky. (AP) — A Kentucky truck driver who was wheeled into
surgery for a simple circumcision but awoke without part of his penis lost
his multimillion-dollar lawsuit Wednesday against the urologist who cut off
a cancer-riddled section of the organ.
A six-man, six-woman jury deliberated briefly before saying it didn't agree
with 64-year-old Phillip Seaton and his wife, Deborah, that Dr. John
Patterson had failed to exe... 阅读全帖 |
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发帖数: 19317 | 34
7:22 [hgb] 摩 西 传 割 礼 给 你 们 ， （ 其 实 不 是 从 摩 西 起 的
， 乃 是 从 祖 先 起 的 ） 因 此 你 们 也 在 安 息 日 给 人 行 割 礼 。
[kjv] Moses therefore gave unto you circumcision; (not because it
is of Moses, but of the fathers;) and ye on the sabbath day circumcise a
man.
[bbe] Moses gave you circumcision--not that it comes from Moses,
but from the fathers--and even on the Sabbath you give a child circumcision.
7:23 [hgb] 人 若 在 安 息 日 受 割 礼 ， 免 得 违 背 摩 西 的 律 法
。 我 在 安 息 日 叫 一 个 人 全 然 好 了 ， 你 |
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发帖数: 1776 | 35 CHAPTER VII
Of God’s Covenant with Man
I. The distance between God and the creature is so great, that although reas
onable creatures do owe obedience unto him as their Creator, yet they could
never have any fruition of him as their blessedness and reward, but by some
voluntary condescension on God’s part, which he hath been pleased to expres
s by way of covenant.[144]
II. The first covenant made with man was a covenant of works,[145] wherein l
ife was promised to Adam; and in him to his posterit... 阅读全帖 |
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发帖数: 5754 | 36
1. What advantage [87]then hath the Jew? or what profit is there of
circumcision?
"
1. Though Paul has clearly proved that bare circumcision brought nothing to
the Jews, yet since he could not deny but that there was some difference
between the Gentiles and the Jews, which by that symbol was sealed to them
by the Lord, and since it was inconsistent to make a distinction, of which
God was the author, void and of no moment, it remained for him to remove
also this objection. It was indeed evident,... 阅读全帖 |
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X*t
发帖数: 1746 | 37 Here are ten passages from the Bible that clearly demonstrate God's position
on slavery:
Genesis chapter 17, verse 12:
And he that is eight days old shall be circumcised among you, every man
child in your generations, he that is born in the house, or bought with
money of any stranger, which is not of thy seed. He that is born in thy
house, and he that is bought with thy money, must needs be circumcised. In
this passage God understands that people buy other people and, quite
obviously, is comfor... 阅读全帖 |
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发帖数: 7936 | 39 我不知道，你告诉我啊
第一条，知道新生儿有尿布么？尿布吸尿知道么？粪便及时清理不会碰到创口你知道么
？你没给孩子换过尿布吧。
第二条给出reference啊，哪里写了新生儿对失血承受力弱？你见过新生儿的环切么？
流了多少血你看到了么？你也知道是“不一定”支持，大部分情况下支持有哺乳困难的
新生儿还是少的吧？凭你信口雌黄就不成立了？
免疫力强是针对摄取初乳以及脐带血供给的免疫球蛋白自带免疫，能有效抵抗术后感染。
综上个屁，都给你反驳了。
http://newborns.stanford.edu/CircComplications.html#bleeding
Given the extraordicnarily high numbers of circumcisions done each year (
some estimate that 20% of all human males have been circumcised), death is
an extremely unlikely complication of neonatal circumcision, but it ha... 阅读全帖 |
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发帖数: 2896 | 40 Condition on the fact that你宝宝是个老中宝宝，sex比白人还保守，切一刀防HIV有
多cost-effective?
http://www.cdc.gov/hiv/prevention/research/malecircumcision/
A 2010 study estimated that newborn circumcision reduces a U.S. male’s
lifetime risk of HIV acquisition through heterosexual contact by 15.7%
overall, by 20.9% for black males, 12.3% for Hispanic males, and 7.9% for
white males. In this model, the number of circumcisions needed to prevent
one case of HIV was 298 for all males and ranged from 65 for black males to
1... 阅读全帖 |
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发帖数: 2192 | 42 The use of circumcision for medical or health reasons is an issue that
continues to be debated. The American Academy of Pediatrics (AAP) found that
the health benefits of newborn male circumcision outweigh the risks, but
the benefits are not great enough to recommend universal newborn
circumcision. The procedure may be recommended in older boys and men to
treat phimosis (the inability to retract the foreskin) or to treat an
infection of the penis. |
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发帖数: 925 | 43 http://www.glorypress.com/devotional/FaithAndLifeOneYearBook.asp?bid=3
恩典与记号
经文: 「耶和华──你上帝必将你心里和你后裔心里的污秽除掉，好叫你尽心尽性爱耶
和华──你的上帝，使你可以存活。」（申命记卅︰6 ）
这里我们看到真正的割礼；只有主自己可以除去我们心中的污秽，好叫我们尽
心尽性爱主我的上帝。这件事本身就是一个奇迹，若非圣灵动工，是无法做到这地步；
若人未能达到这般境界，我们内心便不得满足。
注意，这割礼是在人的内心，而非肉体。这是恩典之约最基本的标记。对上帝
的爱慕是被拣选的族类应有的记号；有了这印记，我们的名字会被列在生命册上。我们
要留意，我们对上帝的爱，不在于遵守外在仪文的规范，而是内心圣灵所施行的割礼。
这带出来的结果是什么﹖ 「使你可以存活」，若我们体贴肉体，我们就死亡
；若我们攻克己身，叫身服我，我就得着生命与平安。若我们思念上面的事，就得以存
活。喔，耶和华，我主我的上帝，愿祢浩大的恩典，不断造就我内在的生命，让祢成为
我一生完全奉献的对象... 阅读全帖 |
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发帖数: 5754 | 44
20. Therefore by the deeds of the law there shall no flesh be justified in
his sight: for by the law is the knowledge of sin.
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20. Therefore by the works of the law, etc. It is a matter of doubt, even
among the learned, what the works of the law mean. Some extend them to the
observance of the whole law, while others confine them to the ceremonies
alone. The addition of the word law induced Chrysostom, Origen, and Jerome
to assent to the latter opinion;[106]for they thought that there is a
pecu... 阅读全帖 |
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发帖数: 8775 | 45 为宗教割包皮是保罗在Galatians 5明确反对的。
2 Mark my words! I, Paul, tell you that if you let yourselves be circumcised
, Christ will be of no value to you at all. 3 Again I declare to every man
who lets himself be circumcised that he is obligated to obey the whole law.
4 You who are trying to be justified by the law have been alienated from
Christ; you have fallen away from grace. 5 For through the Spirit we eagerly
await by faith the righteousness for which we hope. 6 For in Christ Jesus
neither circumcision... 阅读全帖 |
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发帖数: 8775 | 46
保罗在Galatians 5明确说明非犹太人，不要为了宗教割包皮。基督徒不该想着通过自
己的行为，让人觉着正直，而是通过对耶稣的信仰，在上帝面前显得完美。
2 Mark my words! I, Paul, tell you that if you let yourselves be circumcised
, Christ will be of no value to you at all. 3 Again I declare to every man
who lets himself be circumcised that he is obligated to obey the whole law.
4 You who are trying to be justified by the law have been alienated from
Christ; you have fallen away from grace. 5 For through the Spirit we eagerly
await by faith the righteousness for which ... 阅读全帖 |
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发帖数: 8775 | 47 蒙头抹油都是很久以前基督徒用的办法，现在不需要了。有人就是要做，认为还需要做
，也无所谓。我知道确实有基督徒做这些。但是有病还是要吃药。
最终决定是否得救还是要信耶稣。这种信体现在爱上帝和爱人如己上。
非犹太人为宗教割包皮是保罗明确反对的
Galatians 5
2 Mark my words! I, Paul, tell you that if you let yourselves be circumcised
, Christ will be of no value to you at all. 3 Again I declare to every man
who lets himself be circumcised that he is obligated to obey the whole law.
4 You who are trying to be justified by the law have been alienated from
Christ; you have fallen away from grace. 5 For through the Spirit w... 阅读全帖 |
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发帖数: 8336 | 48 林前7:19诫命的英文是 commands.也就是命令。不能完全等同于十诫。所以这个回答是
模糊和不全面的，并且是针对割礼带出的一句话，需要有其他佐证来说明不包括摩西律
法。
KJV Circumcision is nothing, and uncircumcision is nothing, but the keeping
of the commandments of God.
NIV Circumcision is nothing and uncircumcision is nothing. Keeping God’s
commands is what counts
ESV For neither circumcision counts for anything nor uncircumcision, but
keeping the commandments of God. |
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发帖数: 8336 | 49 林前7
Concerning Change of Status
17 Nevertheless, each person should live as a believer in whatever situation
the Lord has assigned to them, just as God has called them. This is the
rule I lay down in all the churches. 18 Was a man already circumcised when
he was called? He should not become uncircumcised. Was a man uncircumcised
when he was called? He should not be circumcised. 19 Circumcision is nothing
and uncircumcision is nothing. Keeping God’s commands is what counts. 20
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