S*******s
发帖数: 10098 | 1 老婆老公之间不必有爱情就能幸福地生活在一起， 有感于柏杨结第5次婚就是这样的。
不信你也试试， 只要放下想要改造对方的 expectation， 就能相安无事（嫁娶一个有
心理毛病control freak的人例外，那样的话，早逃脱早解放）。
人到中年， 爱情就是可有可无的奢侈品， 不再是必需品。 婚姻中这个老婆老公之角
色， 属于是难以放弃的Commodity。男女有点姿色就算是Commodity2次方，没姿色就是
Commodity开根号， 不过都属于Commodity，男方还是扛米的Commodity。我有朋友失偶
丧偶， 那未亡人可真是惶惶不可终日啊。
抛玉引砖， 省得整天讨论房子， 车子， 工资， 。。。
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发帖数: 2053 | 2 http://www.bloomberg.com/news/2011-03-07/ivory-coast-president-
By Pauline Bax and Olivier Monnier - Tue Mar 08 00:08:11 GMT 2011
Ivory Coast President Laurent Gbagbo took control of local purchases and
exports of cocoa and coffee, escalating a conflict with rival Alassane
Ouattara, the internationally recognized winner of a November election.
Cocoa supplies from Ivory Coast, the world’s biggest exporter, have been
disrupted since late January after Ouattara banned shipments for a month in
an at... 阅读全帖 |
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发帖数: 524 | 3 Houston基本上算是commodity trading的中心了。
很多投行的commodity 的HQ都在Houston，比如GS,ML。
commodity HQ不在Houston也肯定至少有很大的部门在那边。
除了投行，大的石油/天然气公司都是commodity market的big player，像BP，Exxon
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发帖数: 810 | 4
不同意. 好地方hard to get in, but has the budget to hire many people.
Just like commodities. Usually the expensive and liquid commodities are good
commodities; while illiquid commodities can be expensive in quoted price (
just because of being illiquid) and worthless in value. |
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g***u
发帖数: 22 | 5 清理书房发现不少书，买来从来没看过，象新的似的，现转让，价格以Amazon网站上最
便宜旧书价格为准（您告
诉我价格，和网站链接）纽约地区可以当面交易.
1) Modeling derivative in c++, Justin London, publisher John Wiley & Sons,
ISBN 0-471-65464-7
百科全书或杂碎，但有大量例程，附光盘，想工作中抄作业的有用
2) Credit derivatives pricing models: models, pricing and implementation,
Phillip J Schonbucher, publisher John Wiley &
Sons, ISBN 0-470-84291-1
信用模型的经典，风格有点数学化，对深刻理解模型并由此想自创模型的同学有用，否
则看看john hull 的章节就
够了。
3) Options, Futures and Other Derivatives (6th edition), John C Hull,
publisher Prentice Hall... 阅读全帖 |
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h***s
发帖数: 35 | 6 各位大牛，
有人知道这个公司吗？怎么样？
http://www.efinancialcareers.cn/jobs-%E4%B8%AD%E5%9B%BD-%E4%B8%
HFT/HF Statistic Arbirtrage Trader
薪资描述: competitive
工作地点: 上海, 上海市, 中国
工作经验: 1-3 年
公司名称: 易善资产管理有限公司
更新日期: 2015-01-16
1570
职位的浏览次数
Preston Investment Group is a hedge fund with head office in Shanghai and
trading crossing major markets. Its major trading strategies include
equities index future fully replicated arbitrages, CTA, statistical
arbitrages in equities and commodities markets, event-driven arbitrag... 阅读全帖 |
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y*****l
发帖数: 5997 | 7 http://www.reuters.com/article/2011/05/19/us-poll-qe-idUSTRE74I
End of Fed's QE2 to hurt stocks, bonds
By Walter Brandimarte
NEW YORK | Thu May 19, 2011 11:38am EDT
(Reuters) - Investors betting on a rise in stocks, bonds and commodities
should prepare for a loud sucking sound in their portfolios next month when
the Federal Reserve pulls the plug on its $600 billion stimulus program.
Stocks, bonds, gold and the euro are expected to fall in the three months
after the end of the Fed's second massi... 阅读全帖 |
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发帖数: 2252 | 9 N AMERICAN MORNING BRIEFING: Stocks Set For Strong Start
0 minutes ago - Dow Jones News
Related Companies
Symbol Last %Chg
CMA 38.70 0.00%
F 13.66 0.00%
HON 45.75 0.00%
JPM 39.31 0.00%
SLB 63.56 0.00%
As of 4:03 PM ET 10/8/10
DJIA Futures 10973.0 +26.0 +0.2%
S&P 500 Futures 1163.7 +3.1 +0.3%
Nasdaq Futures 2026.8 +6.0 +0.3%
Above are as of 0615 ET
FTSE 100 5669.8 +12.2 +0.2%
Xetra DAX 6303.6 +11.9 +0.2%
CAC 40 3772.4 +9.2 +0.2%
Aboce are as of 0615 ET
Nikkei 225 9588.9 -95.9 -1.0%
Hang Seng 2320... 阅读全帖 |
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y*****l
发帖数: 5997 | 10 http://www.reuters.com/article/2011/05/19/us-poll-qe-idUSTRE74I
End of Fed's QE2 to hurt stocks, bonds
By Walter Brandimarte
NEW YORK | Thu May 19, 2011 11:38am EDT
(Reuters) - Investors betting on a rise in stocks, bonds and commodities
should prepare for a loud sucking sound in their portfolios next month when
the Federal Reserve pulls the plug on its $600 billion stimulus program.
Stocks, bonds, gold and the euro are expected to fall in the three months
after the end of the Fed's second massi... 阅读全帖 |
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y*****l
发帖数: 5997 | 11 http://seekingalpha.com/article/302235-the-ultimate-guide-to-so
By Jared Cummans
Solar power is an increasingly popular energy source as well as an
investment option. The growing industry has led to a rapid adoption by
citizens, businesses, and governments to incorporate solar panels on
everything from parking meters to bridges. There are a wide variety of
panels meant for small homes and businesses as well as entire grids and
large buildings. As the industry continues to blossom, the cost of pr... 阅读全帖 |
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b*****d
发帖数: 61690 | 12 NEW YORK (CNNMoney) -- The International Monetary Fund issued a report
Thursday on a possible replacement for the dollar as the world's reserve
currency.
The IMF said Special Drawing Rights, or SDRs, could help stabilize the
global financial system.
SDRs represent potential claims on the currencies of IMF members. They were
created by the IMF in 1969 and can be converted into whatever currency a
borrower requires at exchange rates based on a weighted basket of
international currencies. The IMF t... 阅读全帖 |
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发帖数: 901 | 13 NEW YORK (AP) -- PepsiCo plans to cut 8,700 jobs, or about 3 percent of its
workforce, as it seeks to offset high commodity costs and increases
investment in advertising and marketing in North America.
The maker of Pepsi soda, Tropicana juice and Doritos chips also reported
better-than-expected fourth-quarter results on Thursday. But it forecast a
decline in adjusted 2012 earnings, and shares fell 2.7 percent in premarket
trading.
The company said it expects the restructuring will save an additi... 阅读全帖 |
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c******k
发帖数: 8998 | 14 Net Worth Calculated March 2011
Rank Name Net Worth Age Source Country of Citizenship
6 Lakshmi Mittal
Lakshmi Mittal
$31.1 B 61 Steel India
9 Mukesh Ambani
Mukesh Ambani
$27 B 54 petrochemicals, oil & gas India
36 Azim Premji
Azim Premji
$16.8 B 66 Software India
42 Shashi & Ravi Ruia
Shashi & Ravi Ruia
$15.8 B 68 Diversified India
56 Savitri Jindal
Savitri Jindal & family
$13.2 B 61 ... 阅读全帖 |
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发帖数: 764 | 15 【 以下文字转载自 Stock 讨论区 】
发信人: whiteclouds2 (// 参考消息 //), 信区: Stock
标 题: JP Morgan 在职员工的匿名公开信
发信站: BBS 未名空间站 (Sat Mar 17 21:54:00 2012, 美东)
Rampant silver manipulation? Rampant gold manipulation? Rampant LIBOR
manipulation? Hiding MF Global client assets? These are all happening at
JP Morgan according to an open letter reportedly written by an anonymous
employee of the firm. The whistleblower also warns of a "cascading credit
event being triggered" by derivatives related to Greek government de... 阅读全帖 |
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x******g
发帖数: 33885 | 16 3. "The emancipation of labor demands the promotion of the instruments of
labor to the common property of society and the co-operative regulation of
the total labor, with a fair distribution of the proceeds of labor.
对于上面这段话，马克思作了如下的评点：
"Promotion of the instruments of labor to the common property" ought
obviously to read their "conversion into the common property"; but this is
only passing.
What are the "proceeds of labor"? The product of labor, or its value? And in
the latter case, is it the t... 阅读全帖 |
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x******g
发帖数: 33885 | 17 何左哥同志，我知道你的英文好，再来读读这几段，来看看我说马克思是支持邓产党“
以才分配”的说法有没有错：
What we have to deal with here is a communist society, not as it has
developed on its own foundations, but, on the contrary, just as it emerges
from capitalist society; which is thus in every respect, economically,
morally, and intellectually, still stamped with the birthmarks of the old
society from whose womb it emerges. Accordingly, the individual producer
receives back from society -- after the deductions have been made -- exactly
what he ... 阅读全帖 |
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发帖数: 30882 | 18 美元的国际储备货币地位还能维系多久？ (2013-10-13 20:52:13)
葡萄牙、西班牙、荷兰、法国、英国、美国各自货币作为国际储备货币的时间
http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2013-10-13/chinas-official-press-
China's Official Press Agency Calls For New Reserve Currency, And New World
Order
by Tyler Durden, Zero Hedge, 13 October 2013
We assume it is a coincidence that on the day in which we demonstrate China'
s relentless appetite for gold, driven by what we and many others believe is
the country's desire to have a call option on a gold-backed reserve
currency wh... 阅读全帖 |
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t*******h
发帖数: 2744 | 19 source：http://www.nytimes.com/2016/01/09/opinion/chinas-obsolete-economic-strategy.html
It was inevitable that China’s economy would slow from its once
turbocharged growth rates. But its leaders have made so many mistakes in
recent months that they have turned what should have been a benign, natural
slowdown into a chaotic descent.
China’s main stock index fell nearly 10 percent for the week, depressing
stock and commodity prices elsewhere. These drops are not in themselves a
big economic proble... 阅读全帖 |
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m**c
发帖数: 7349 | 20 Marx clearly recognized that machinery, technological innovation directly
enhanced the productivity of labour. Thus: 'the greater the productivity of
labour, the less labour time is involved in the production of the commodity,
and the lesser will be its value, or the lower will be the price of the
commodity.' Or: 'The value of a commodity ... varies directly as the
quantity [of labour] and inversely as the productiveness of the labour
incorporated in it.' |
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发帖数: 1 | 21 12 月 1 日 又看了一则新闻， 呵呵
刚看了一则新闻关于麦当劳转卖的新闻，对于中国的食品安全，我总是千百个担忧，有
必要好好看一看接手人的背景及相关信息。接手麦当劳不容易啊。我不评论啊，只是观
看。你们撒的毒气越多，电磁波攻击的越强，我阅读的效果就越好。呵呵。
A consortium led by private-equity firm Carlyle Group (CG.O) and Chinese
conglomerate Citic Group Corp has neared a deal to buy McDonald's Corp's (
MCD.N) stores in China and Hong Kong for up to $3 billion, a source with
direct knowledge of the matter said.
The deal is likely to be signed before Christmas, the source said.
Reuters had reported in October that U.S... 阅读全帖 |
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发帖数: 3 | 22 王绍光：大豆的故事——资本如何危及人类安全
王绍光
王绍光
香港中文大学教授，清华大学长江讲座教授
分享到：
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2013-05-15 10:04:07 字号：A- A A+ 来源：开放时代
关键字: 大豆大豆产量大豆产供销链条转基因大豆大豆期货资本王绍光
大豆对于中国人来说是一种耳熟能详的作物。它本身对人类的存在具有重要意义。大豆
是人类拥有的一种含有高营养价值的原始作物，尤其对物质贫乏的发展中国家而言，这
种食品的营养价值显得更加珍贵。同时，大豆是世界上最大的植物蛋白质来源，大豆类
产品（鲜豆、豆芽、豆腐、豆奶等等）是亚洲饮食的基石，而大豆油是消费量最大的植
物油，大约构成了世界食用油产量的一半；豆类食物不但占据着世界食物产量60%以上
的份额，而且在蛋类、家禽、猪肉、羊羔肉、牛肉和鱼类生产的饲料方面均是首选。大
豆不仅富含蛋白质，而且价格相对低廉，这些都是大豆这种食物资源的优势，足见其重
要性。
一、大豆简史——中国由大豆出口国到进口国的转变
大豆的生产最早可以追溯到公元前11世纪。从那时起，中国就已经种植大豆了。直到二
战时期，中国一直是世界上大豆生... 阅读全帖 |
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x******g
发帖数: 33885 | 23 跟邓产党玩贸易战？
最后玩死自己。
• Chinese importers cut pork orders starting in early April, according
to a report in The Wall Street Journal citing U.S. Department of
Agriculture data. After China imposed retaliatory tariffs on April 2, the
USDA reported the biggest weekly drop in net pork sales to the country since
October 2016. Boneless hams in cold storage hit a record 86 million pounds
earlier this year as the industry had been looking to sell more, not less,
to China, the Journal said.
• Chi... 阅读全帖 |
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m***o
发帖数: 995 | 25 http://www.fao.org/es/ess/top/commodity.html?lang=en&item=567&year=2005
Selected commodity : watermelon
Selected year : 2005
Rank Commodity Production (Int $1000) Production (MT) Footnote
1 China 7,194,630 C 69,315,000 F
2 Turkey 396,226 C 3,800,000
3 Iran, Islamic Rep of 224,180 C 2,150,000 F
4 United States of America 174,125 C 1,669,940 F
5 Egypt 156,405 C |
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发帖数: 17544 | 26 ☆─────────────────────────────────────☆
mingo (豺狼虎豹四不象) 于 (Sun May 31 15:24:29 2009) 提到:
http://www.fao.org/es/ess/top/commodity.html?lang=en&item=567&year=2005
Selected commodity : watermelon
Selected year : 2005
Rank Commodity Production (Int $1000) Production (MT) Footnote
1 China 7,194,630 C 69,315,000 F
2 Turkey 396,226 C 3,800,000
3 Iran, Islamic Rep of 224,180 C 2,150,000 F
4 United |
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w*********s
发帖数: 2136 | 27 On Friday, headlines across the United States declared that "unemployment
remains unchanged at 9.6%". Many analysts rejoiced and heralded this
announcement as a sign that we have hit bottom and that things will be
turning around soon. But is that the truth? A closer look at the
unemployment numbers reveals some disturbing facts. For example, according
to the Bureau of Labor Statistics, a broader measure of unemployment that
includes workers that have stopped looking for work rose sharply to ... 阅读全帖 |
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K****D
发帖数: 30533 | 28 Ok, it's more like you favor equity over commodities in the long run.
If that's the case, I think less than half businesses in high inflation
could beat commodities. In your particular example, apple planting
might beat real estate since apple is also a "semi" commodity. But if
you try something like high-tech electronics store, your business might
have trouble.
I admit that you would pick up "sound" businesses. But again I believe
the percentage of sound businesses among all businesses is less |
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b****e
发帖数: 460 | 29 I will purchase gold only when the price is approaching or even less than
excavation cost of some major miners. Most of the time, I wouldn't touch
commodity itself since it's almost impossible to estimate the value of a
type of commodity except the excavation costs. And mostly, commodity is for
speculators. |
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s*******d
发帖数: 126 | 30 This is an important point, is inflation relative or absolute? My
understanding is that for the US to see high inflation, it has to be
inflation w.r.t. other currencies. But it well could be that the inflation
has to take place w.r.t. certain commodities, such as rice or gold. That
said, a commodity is not a commodity if it is not traded in some currencies,
and therefore in all currencies (minus RMB, which is an entirely different
story, since it is not freely traded on the open market). Ain't w |
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v****o
发帖数: 978 | 31 shangstud (某某某), 信区: Investment
标 题: Re: 通货膨胀到来的时间点
发信站: BBS 未名空间站 (Mon Jan 4 07:28:43 2010, 美东)
This is an important point, is inflation relative or absolute? My
understanding is that for the US to see high inflation, it has to be
inflation w.r.t. other currencies. But it well could be that the inflation
has to take place w.r.t. certain commodities, such as rice or gold. That
said, a commodity is not a commodity if it is not traded in some currencies,
and therefore in all currencies (minus RM |
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k***n
发帖数: 3158 | 32 the risk for individual stock is high, 10%+ swing for most stocks in my
account is unrare
I tried to keep diversification among a broad basket of commodities to
reduce
the overall risk. Also try to do some rotation among different commodities
based on strength/weakness. For example, sold some uranium stocks at high
a few weeks ago and bought rare earth stocks at the low. Will sell some
of these and buy agriculture and energy stocks in the next two months on
weakness.
the biggest risk is a repeat... 阅读全帖 |
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j****y
发帖数: 1714 | 33 Trader Racks Up a Second Epic Gain
$5 Billion Profit for John Paulson
By GREGORY ZUCKERMAN
Hedge-fund manager John Paulson personally netted more than $5 billion
in profits in 2010—likely the largest one-year haul in investing
history, trumping the nearly $4 billion he made with his "short" bets
against subprime mortgages in 2007.
Mr. Paulson's take, described by investors and people close to
investment firm Paulson & Co., shows how profits continue to pile up for
elite hedge-fund managers. Appa... 阅读全帖 |
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p********a
发帖数: 6437 | 34 OP is sort of contradicting himself.
One essential question:
Oil and commodity will continue rising or NOT?
if yes, then inflation,
however, it hurts US recovery, so US will stop them rising.
therefore, oil and commodity will stop rising.
they cannot consolidate at this level, so they have to collapse.
if they collapse, China will receive lots of benefit too ---- NO WAY!
so US should short China first, China housing collapse, then China hot money
return to US (in the form of US$); then oil and c... 阅读全帖 |
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A*****s
发帖数: 13748 | 35 凡是说commodity要跌，帖子一律被删
现在发展到不同意commodity会反弹，也要被删贴
斑竹自己有commodity吧？哈哈，掩耳盗铃术用得相当炉火纯青 |
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A*****s
发帖数: 13748 | 36 这个版能保证每个帖子都有reasoning么？如果能，我抓到一个斑竹给我20伪币如何？
不是说内容对不对，市场谁也不能有100%的预测把握
问题是斑竹炒commodity，就不许人家说commodity要跌，太可笑了
好像这样commodity就不跌了一样 LOL |
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n******h
发帖数: 2482 | 37 The global market is in risk-off mode and commodities got sold off. AUD and
CAD are commodity currencies. They are merely proxies to commodity price.
Remember, all fiat currencies are paper. |
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y******6
发帖数: 12 | 38 真诚的请教一下大家的建议和看法。
最近拿到了某大投行的offer，也是现在做的front office commodity的方向，给升
title，也涨base，我现在比较犹豫这个offer，理由是commodity好像国内做的不多，
我也不太了解commodity在国内的发展现状，所以我想问一下如果有了这个大投行的经
历，是不是容易转到fix income等相近的方向，或者说我还是去读个书，就业面宽，更
好找国内/香港的工作。
我的终极目的就是过两年就回国（家庭原因），当然越快越好。。。望大家不吝赐教。 |
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发帖数: 1 | 39 Business Background
CITICS (中信证券) Information Technology and Quantitative Services Company
Ltd (ITAQS) is a financial technology firm in China with world class
talents.
ITAQS focuses on providing value added support to trading desks in CITICS,
particularly in the area of new product engineering. We are building a
multi-asset trading platform aiming as a market liquidity hub in China.
We are looking for a head quant to lead the quant team based in Shanghai -
a hands-on, dynamic lea... 阅读全帖 |
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w*********s
发帖数: 2136 | 40 【 以下文字转载自 WorldNews 讨论区 】
发信人: whiteclouds (/ 参考消息 /), 信区: WorldNews
标 题: 10 Things About The Latest US Economic Number
发信站: BBS 未名空间站 (Sat Oct 9 15:51:23 2010, 美东)
On Friday, headlines across the United States declared that "unemployment
remains unchanged at 9.6%". Many analysts rejoiced and heralded this
announcement as a sign that we have hit bottom and that things will be
turning around soon. But is that the truth? A closer look at the
unemployment numbers reveals some disturbing facts.... 阅读全帖 |
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y******6
发帖数: 12 | 41 真诚的请教一下大家的建议和看法。
最近拿到了某大投行的offer，也是现在做的front office commodity的方向，给升
title，也涨base，我现在比较犹豫这个offer，理由是commodity好像国内做的不多，
我也不太了解commodity在国内的发展现状，所以我想问一下如果有了这个大投行的经
历，是不是容易转到fix income等相近的方向，或者说我还是去读个书，就业面宽，更
好找国内/香港的工作。
我的终极目的就是过两年就回国（家庭原因），当然越快越好。。。望大家不吝赐教。 |
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s********r
发帖数: 277 | 42 我打算退电脑，联想也把含有地址的UPS标签给我了，但是还有下面的这些要求，但是
第2条里面那么
多东西都是什么，TAX no？Terms of Sale (Incoterms)？是什么意思？
. Provide the Correct Documentation
Government regulations require documentation showing specific
information for international shipments.
Regulations and requirements for documentation for individual
commodities vary from country to country. It is essential to review
commodity-specific documentation stipulations for both the country of
origin and the country of destination. Depending on the commodity |
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w*******o
发帖数: 6125 | 43 First of all, it's futures, not future. if you read some futures 101,
especially how the commodity futures was invented and developed, you will
have a second thought. Stock index futures,is just a extension, to put it in
simple, the minimum function they serve is to hedge, just like using
commodity futures to hedge commodity price.
Well, more and more people trading futures without trading their underlying
is another story,just like people nake buy/sell options, but this doesn't
mean it's useles |
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s******e
发帖数: 696 | 44 commodity prices are already pretty high, except NG which still
has huge supply.
For mining companies, they are trading at 2011 commodity prices.
so i think the best investment now are companies that use commodities as
input cost but is able to pass on the price increases, especially those
who can do better than competitors in the same market. |
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发帖数: 2136 | 46 【 以下文字转载自 WorldNews 讨论区 】
发信人: whiteclouds (/ 参考消息 /), 信区: WorldNews
标 题: 10 Things About The Latest US Economic Number
发信站: BBS 未名空间站 (Sat Oct 9 15:51:23 2010, 美东)
On Friday, headlines across the United States declared that "unemployment
remains unchanged at 9.6%". Many analysts rejoiced and heralded this
announcement as a sign that we have hit bottom and that things will be
turning around soon. But is that the truth? A closer look at the
unemployment numbers reveals some disturbing facts.... 阅读全帖 |
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发帖数: 75 | 47 http://www.marketoracle.co.uk/Article21284.html
Government Moves to Tax, Track All Gold Transactions
Commodities / Gold and Silver 2010 Jul 21, 2010 - 01:45 PM
By: Mac_Slavo
Commodities
Best Financial Markets Analysis ArticleWhen Nancy Pelosi said we have to
pass the bill before we can find out what’s in it, few had any idea that
the Obama health care legislation would expand well beyond the health care
industry.
According to an ABC news report, the new 1099 provisions in the health care
bill, w... 阅读全帖 |
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发帖数: 7948 | 48 Guest Post: Plaza Accord 2.0: Is it Coming? Is it Here?
October 15th, 2010 by Michael Krieger
If we desire respect for the law, we must first make the law respectable.
The greatest dangers to liberty lurk in insidious encroachment by men of
zeal, well-meaning but without understanding.
Experience teaches us to be most on our guard to protect liberty when the
government’s purposes are beneficent.
Fear of serious injury alone cannot justify oppression of free speech and
assembly. Men feared witch... 阅读全帖 |
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发帖数: 812 | 49 QE2 is practically printing money to save the credit market. the devaluation
of US dollar would drive the commodity price up, which already happened.
oil price went up to the level can support margin in costly ultra deep water
drilling. hence more contract at better rates for drys.
however, ppl started to talk about fed's role to battle inflation and it may
jeopardize QE2's execution. in addition, other part of the world, say China
, started to fight with inflation already, a heads-up to the fed... 阅读全帖 |
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发帖数: 17163 | 50 Although nothing much has happen in the spx today. There are a lot going
behind the scene. It is a day where both the risk loving and the risk hating
are making their point.
On the one hand, positive data from china, rumor about a solution for europe
, along with positive data from the US provides a case for the risk loving.
Hence dumping us treasury, pushing down european CDS and also on the way
providing support for the Euro.
On the other hand, the risk hating, (the camp I'm in), taking clue ... 阅读全帖 |
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