c****u
发帖数: 3277 | 1 he still has easy bids after 3D. with minimum hand and no sp
stopper, he can just bid 3S to ask for stopper in S.
with 6-4 shape, he can rebid 3H. With extra value, he would be happy to
cuebid. The hand wasn't bad for slam actually. there are quite a few good
features: three key cards and HQx,
You need very little to make 6D:
SQxx HAKxxx DKQJx Cx or SKx HAKxxx DKxxxx Cx
would be enough.
I wouldn't raise pd with 4 cards only when my hand is very no trump oriented
and control is bad. |
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c****u
发帖数: 3277 | 2 In real life, I bid 3D,
partner bids 3NT. now I know I won't be able to play 4M here.
I tried 4D, partner bid 4H, I was too chicken to pass it, since it sounds
like a cuebid, so I retreat to 5C and 5C goes down 1.
my pd has: SKJx HJxxx DKTx CAxx
So doubling 2D is the winning action for this hand.
But I am afraid double may lead to some serious problems,
since it's MP, partner may even pass your double with:
SKJx Hxxx DKJx CAQxx when nobody vul.
. 2D may go down 2, but 3NT should be cold, and 6C |
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w****b
发帖数: 623 | 3 To me jumping to 3D sets the trumps and is a request for cuebid, so the 3NT
rebid is a rejection of cooperation, implying minimum value, soft values in
the majors and denying slam interests (for the moment), and tends to deny 1st
round control in either major.
Therefore partner will need very good hand to justify another move (whose
quote is it that 3N is to play, period?). As my partner always tries all sorts
of clever manuevers over me, I don't even have a clue whether he's really
interested i |
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a*******s
发帖数: 295 | 4
always
What's the difference between solid and independent?
This is a matter of style. But with this hand a rebid of 2D lose nothing
if there's no point to find 44 fit, why did you want to take 4H rebid
(after 3D jumping) as suit?(article 2557) funny.
no difference between 4405/4414/3325/3334/3434/4324/3316... actually any
distribution is possible, and you call it a perfect call?
Yes, with your example above only.
Again, contradict with your analysis earlier. if 3H is cuebid, why opener's
4H is |
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y****e
发帖数: 71 | 5 If under the aggreement that a 4-5 M/m suit, response to 1D always be the
major instead of the minor (unless the 4 are weak and minor are very strong),
it will solve a lot of those kind of troubles.
In the case above, personally I think it is unwise to seek 4-4 suit at 4th
level, and the use of that is really limited. If 4/7 suit, still better bid
2H ask for 4-4 heart fit first, if response as 2S 2NT 3C, you still jump to
4D, it doesn't lose much cuebid room (first your hand need to be really |
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y****e
发帖数: 71 | 6 Nice, learned a lot.
Back to the question raised, my question is if North holds solid diamond suit,
plus medium club support (Kxx, Q9x, or 10xxx), slam interest in either club or
diamond, after 1D-2C, what will you do?
I think in that example 1D-2C-3D-3NT, 4H must be a cuebid, in that sense, he
might want a spade 2nd round control (otherwise, blackwood will be much better
if he holds both heart and spade control, slam will almost be certain). I
think the most likely reason he did not try blackw |
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w****b
发帖数: 623 | 7
I guess I'm a bit uncomfortable to be forced to 4D with holdings of more than
2 D. In many case with a minimum 3N is still the last train. So 3N just denies
a cuebid and slam interest (for the time being), and shows broken major
stoppers.
As to a hand like Axx xxx AKQJTx x, it's a very good hand, surely better than
your average 18 counts. I don't see a problem of rebidding 3D after 2C. With
above pd's hand, a bidding such as:
1D 2C
3D 3H(H ace)
3S(S control) 3N (no further interest)
Pass
is con |
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c****u
发帖数: 3277 | 8 try 6H bah. should have some play and opps might lead D. hehe.
With a reliable pd, I'd try 4D as cuebid. |
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w****b
发帖数: 623 | 9 I think 99% west's fault. The bidding went ok up until 3Sx. When S stupidly
doubles 3S, West had a chance to redouble to show 1st round control, after
which east can cuebid 4C, and now getting to slam is a sure thing.
Later, West's passing of 4H seems pretty conservative, too. East's 4H is not
forced. So the most likely shape is 1-3-5-4, or 2-2-5-4. There's no danger to
venture past 4H, as you won't have 2 S losers to go with a D if east's hand is
as garbage as xxx x KQJxx Axxx.
The real challen |
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a*******s
发帖数: 295 | 10
I do think 4D is the most striaghtforward one.
After 4S, give a thought to this sequence, I believe it should be
pretty clear what to do next.
Since you have given a direct raise to diamond, if pd's spade support
were flawed, he should have settled down in diamonds. Therefore, there
are 2 possibilities:
1. he has real spade support. or
2. he may use 4S as a cuebid and intend to move on.
In case 2 of course you are going to accept the invitation.
In case 1, Since he gives his diamonds the first |
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g**********y
发帖数: 14569 | 11 Bergen raise:
After 1H/1S:
Original version --
3C: 7-9hcp, 4+ trumps
3D: 10-12hcp, 4+ trumps
3S/3H (other than opener's major): show void/singleton in a side suit
Nowadays --
3C: 10-12hcp, 4+ trumps
3D: 7-9hcp, 4+ trumps
Question 1: new version does save bidding space, but what's the use for that?
Suppose there is a bidding sequence --
1S - 3C - 3D - ...
What is 3D mean here? cuebid?
Question 2: why not use Splinter to show void/singleton?
Anyone can explain this?
Thanks! |
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w****b
发帖数: 623 | 12 Bergen raise is meant to improve your competitive bidding, i.e, bid to 3 level
with 9 card trump fit, it's not designed to improve your slam bidding
(although it helps in many case as it specifies the number of trump support
early on).
So the reverse version sticks more to the principle: weaker hands faster. And
it allows opener to cuebid at a lower level.
The idea of using a splinter without disclosing where the singleton is (opener
can query in subsequent bidding) is that in many cases, the op |
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g**********y
发帖数: 14569 | 13 Thanks for explanation!
So if a squence like 1H - 3C - 3D happens, does that mean opener starts the
cuebidding (3D)?
And for void/singleton show, is there a point-range?
My logic is; In that system, strong card is shown by Jac2NT (13+); so this
void/singleton show is limited to 9-12 points, which in extreme case may help
opener to go slam, is that right?
level
And
(opener
the |
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c****u
发帖数: 3277 | 14 4H: just to finish my plan.
partner bid 3NT freely, so he should have a reasonable hand here.
If he rebid 4NT, I'd pass it. If he cuebid 4S, I'd bid 5NT to ask him
to pick a slam. |
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w****b
发帖数: 623 | 15 I think there's some merit to treat 4D as splinter in such sequence,
especially if the response is constructive, i.e, promises 2 of the 3 top
honors.
The idea is that there's a good chance that 2C opener has a long solid suit,
so the responder should often treat opener's rebid of suit as that. On the
other hand, strong 4-4-4-1 (or 5-4-3-1) hands are always the hardest to treat.
So after the constructive response, and opener's suit bid, generally
responder's any rebid should be cuebid, assuming o |
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w****b
发帖数: 623 | 16 Perhaps this old fashioned sequence is conceivable:
2C-3C(constructive)
3D-3H(cuebid; could be lack of directions)
4D(solid, set trump)-4H(confirms 1st round)
4N(one HA shows, safe to ask key card in D)-5H(2 without)
5N(confirms all key, specific K)-6C(CK)
7N(you can count 13 tricks)
I
hand. I
not
suit,
the |
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w****b
发帖数: 623 | 17
I think it's ok to play 3H to guarantee good 4H or lousy 5H. After all you
already have the inference from the failure of a 2NT response (to show H).
2C-3D to me almost denies any feature outside D as that just takes too much
bidding space, otherwise you might want to wait even if you have a good 6D
suit. So this sequence to me sounds like a cuebid with short S, but good baby
C's.
Also when you open 2C followed by a positive, GF response, I think it's
alright to find 4-4 fit on 5 level. As if y |
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f*****x
发帖数: 545 | 18 seems most agree opening 2c with that hand:)
3h should be suit, at least with control, like AQX
I just thought maybe we can jump to 4d after 3c showing a particular type
hand, which just need pd's control and no extra trick spt. then pd can cuebid
after 4d. Even if it is major suit. it is still straightforward, after pd
respnded postively, jumping to 4h/s showing a solid suit and seeking only ace
and king
play.
holds a weak hand. after ur 1d, pd 1s, then u 3d, pd 3h, and u?
have
can |
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f*****x
发帖数: 545 | 19 EW VUL. w dealer, he opend 1s, pd 2s, mike cuebid, east 3s
I sit south, holding:
S: AXX
H: X
D: KXX
C: XXXXXX
1S-2S-3S-?
(1)IS 4C SIMPLY CHOOING pd's minor SUIT OR JUST BID MY SUIT? It is possible i
have aqjxxxx but nothing else.
(2) After thinking for a while, i think i should bid 4d. If it is not pd's
suit, then if they pass, then pd will be forced to 5c, which i have great spt.
But this is based on the answer to the 1st question,i.e., I am bidding pd's
minor, not simply go my way.
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f*****x
发帖数: 545 | 20 I met this hand on wednesday. Vul vs none, I holds:
S: TX
H: AJXXX
D: --
C: KJTXXX
PD opened 1S, RHO 2D, I DBL, showing h and c suit. LHO 3D, pd 4S, showing
extra value, I leap to 6S. My question is:
How to distinguish this hand with:
S; TX
H: AKQXX
D: --
C: AKJTXXX
with this hand, if I dbl, pd may pass, converting it to penality. But if I
cuebid 3d, then pd will very likely bid 3N, how to continue? Shall I dbl
first?
Secondly, after I dbl, if I continue to bid, is it forcing |
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f*****x
发帖数: 545 | 21 oh? that sounds the most stupid convention i have ever heard. purely joke?【
在 wimptb (一失足成千古wimp) 的大作中提到: 】
minor
by |
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g********d
发帖数: 89 | 22 I think too.
and if p answer no, how do you escape?
and can Gambling 3nt do the same thing?
in |
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l*********r
发帖数: 65 | 23
normal,
There are two possibilities. South cuebid 4C to say "I have both. You pick the
suit". Of course, then it becomes ambiguous.
The 2nd option is South jumps to 4H, and yes I think with 3 controls, no
wastage, an 8-loser limited raise hand and control in opponents suit North
should bid on. Then of course it makes both player "nervous". |
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m*e
发帖数: 155 | 24
by
level can be 1 or 2, the key is UNNECESSARY jump. I consider
4c control cuebid, so 5c would be the unnecessary jump.
but sic and cozofu are very right. it should be exclusive key card asking. |
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c****u
发帖数: 3277 | 25 this is tough, usually it's not easy to handle two suiters if you open
1C, perhaps precision players should have the agreement that 4D cuebid show
this hand type.
If you bid 4H, you may miss cold 5C if partner holds something like this:
SKQxxx HQx DKx CJxxx, 5C would be cold, 4H may go down 1 if H 4-2 splits.
However, if you play 4D to show this kind of two suiters, you wouldn't be
able to show slam interest in spades. That's also a huge drawback.
If your overall strength is strong, I believe it |
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f*****x
发帖数: 545 | 26 after 3c, pd surely will bid 3n, then you have to bid 4d, showing ur spt,
right? in this sequence you cannt cuebid 4c. so i think 3d is better. also
1m-1H-2OtherM-3m should show good hand, with dirty min 6hcp, i would bid 2n
after 2M.【 在 cumaui (飞) 的大作中提到: 】 |
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c****u
发帖数: 3277 | 27 we have an easy tool for this sequence:
1H 1S
2D 3D(gameforcing and at least mild slam interest!)
4C(cuebid)
now you can ask for key cards and stop at 6D.
For standard treatment, it's tough
1H 1S
2D 3C
3N 4H
?
now opener should make a slam try, 5C, because partner shows
slam interest in this sequence.
5C 6D
p |
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c****u
发帖数: 3277 | 28 the sequence is reasonable, I may bid 3S as a cuebid over 3H,
assuming 3H sets up H as trumps. |
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f*****x
发帖数: 545 | 29 i think 1n is the right bid, 2c should promise 6cards, rebid 1n shows 18-19,
Qx should be enough. since pd passed 1h, 2h cant be cuebid, must be real
suit.【 在 gloomyturkey (一只郁闷的火鸡) 的大作中提到: 】
路
大 |
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f*****x
发帖数: 545 | 30
yes
with ur hand, i would try 4D, showing dbl fit.
no, could be singleton.
conveinence and save space.
1D-1H
3S-4D
5C-5S
6D-P
5 LEVEL CUEBID GUARANTEES 1ST ROUND CONTROL |
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j*******e
发帖数: 2168 | 31 S Qxx
H KJ
D AQJ
C KTxxx
Opened 1NT and went:
1NT 2D
2H 3C
4C(1) 4H(2)
My question:
(1)Do I need to bid 4C to show club support or can I bid 3D to start
cuebidding
immediately?
(2)Is this 4H forcing? |
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j*******e
发帖数: 2168 | 32 en, ought 4S be rkc voidwood with a void in spades?
If nothing else, it moves beyond 3NT on the strength of just opener's 3D bid,
which I am not sure is right.
and
last
see,
cuebidding
real
will
But
once
down
s,shortening ur
在
2nd
suit.
in
opportunity to
spot |
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a****s
发帖数: 524 | 33 You should have pushed to 6C, even partner showing no further interest
after your 4S cuebid.
I cannot imagine that in a auction like this both minor aces are missing.
With both aces missing, partner gets to have some wild distribution to
justfy his 4C bid. Hence, he may well have void diamonds
or void spades which allow him to park the diamond loser on the spade
opening lead. |
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c****u
发帖数: 3277 | 34 hehe, if you are not going to sell, why do you want to make such claim
that you do have defence or you don't have a lot of defensive values?
Namyats sucks in many ways: first, it takes up the natural preemptive
4C/D which are very useful, second, it makes opps easier to defend
against, opps can double 4C to show take out which can hardly be penalized,
opps can pass 4C then double 4S to show strong balanced hands and tend to
penalize you. opps can cuebid 4H directly to show 5 spades and 5 minors. |
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w****b
发帖数: 623 | 35 I agree with the 2nd and 3rd hand. On the 1st, however, I'm not so sure. Why
4C must be a cuebid? If West started with something like - AQJxxx Qxxx AJx,
from his point of view, we might belong in 6C but I might not pull from 3NT.
Is D control really that crucial, from west point of view, what's the
likelihood that East has a hand that has no D control, AND no 5 level safety?
Or if west forsees the later problem, I don't mind jumping to 2N after 1S
response at all, then it would be a piece of cak |
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c****u
发帖数: 3277 | 36 You probably need a gameforcing raise convention, such as Jacoby 2NT or swiss
raise, in your system. Otherwise, it's better
to bid 4S over 1S here or to start from 2C then raise partner to 4S later.
Three spades in most modern systems are not forcing.
Also, your partner can cooperate with a 4 level cuebid even if he thinks 3S
is invitational because it doesn't require a lot from partner to make a
slam. Over 1S 3S 4S, there is no way to advance anymore. Once you have defined
your hand, you can't |
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c****u
发帖数: 3277 | 37 3S shows a huge hand which might not be suitable for the first round call:
SAQxxx HQJxx DAxxx C-
or SAQJTx HQxxx DAxx CQ
Now you need to cooperate with a cuebid because this hand is very slamish,
even if partner holds some spade wastage, you still may have a slam. |
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c****u
发帖数: 3277 | 38 There is just no answer for this one. At the table, I bid 3S,
hoping to hear to 3nt from partner or hit his long spades,
partner cuebids 4D with SAxx HKJ9xx Dx CJxxx and I signed off at 4S,
S 3-3, but K offside, so I shouldn't make it, but my LHO didn't expect
such a weak spade suit and drew the 3rd spade herself. Thus I made
the shaky 4S.
There are several choices here actually.
x: it's offshape and when partner bids 4H, it would be very hard for you
to decide what to do.
3S: sp suit is too wea |
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c****u
发帖数: 3277 | 39 3D is probably not good, I'd bid 3C with your hand to show some C support
and forcing. Now you cuebid and then raise partner, your partner may
think you have a slamish hand with good spades. |
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b****s
发帖数: 472 | 40 这是低花配合时的一种约定叫吗？
如果是高花， 打四阶高花逼三无将一般更好一些
似乎不需要扣叫问党章？
对了， 你这个是western cuebid吗？ |
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c****u
发帖数: 3277 | 41 2C 2S
3C 3S (nautral)
3N(natural) 4C(natural)
4H(cuebid, 4D is RKC, so have to bid 4H here) 5C (sign off, no SA)
5D(cue, grandslam interest) 5H (H control)
5N(grandslam interest, sp void) 7C(gotta bid it). |
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c****u
发帖数: 3277 | 42 you can bid 3D, which is forcing here, also double over 3C is just too
risky in my opinion, your partner may be very broken and you don't have
enough defensive tricks. Also, over the double of 5C, south can redouble
to show first round control.
Thus it may go like this way:
1N p 2D 3C
p p 3D(GF) p
3N p 4D p
4H p 4S(cuebid)
5D(a filler in D) 6C(first round control in C)
7C(choose a grandslam) 7H (H looks better.)
pass |
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b****s
发帖数: 472 | 43 you mean the suit you cuebid? no, not at all |
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c****u
发帖数: 3277 | 44 It shows both majors when the cue bid is a minor, or the other major and a
minor
when the cuebid is a major.
There are two schools here, one advocates the continueous range of strength
of both majors, at least 5-4 or 4-5. When it's red, it shows at least
an opener; when it's white, it can be weaker. The other school likes
either weak or strong, which means either less than an opener, or
a hand that has some extra, about 16 HCP or more. Either way has
some merrits. What I play now is to show a ha |
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a****s
发帖数: 524 | 45 S 2
H K763
D AJ742
C T93
1D (pass) 1H (1S),
Dbl (pass) ?
partner's double shows exactly 3 hearts and otherwise an undefined hand. At
this point, the agreements are: jumping to 3D is game forcing and a slower
auction (i.e. cuebid 2S) is any invitational or a game forcing with no clear
direction.
Although invitation won't hurt in the light that we are pretty safe in 3D,
it leaves little space to evaluate your shape, as it happen to be very
important in this hand. This problem could be more sev |
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c****u
发帖数: 3277 | 46 so partner does show some extra, if you like science, you can cuebid,
otherwise, you can shoot 6S which should have some reasonable plays I
believe. |
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b****s
发帖数: 472 | 47 ☆─────────────────────────────────────☆
wimptb (一失足成千古wimp) 于 (Mon Jan 7 12:30:49 2008) 提到:
1. Both vul, hold
A87x
AK
Jx
AK8xx
you open 1C, oppo silent, and it went
1C 1D
2S 3C
3NT 4C
?
how do you plan to proceed?
2. White all, hold
QTxx
AJx
AKx
Kxx
pd opens 1C, and it went:
1C - 1S
3S - ?
What's your plan now?
If it matters, you play kickback, serious 3NT, etc.
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cozofu (you are still a killer bee.) 于 (Mon Jan 7 13:05:15 2008) 提到:
1 I cuebid 4H, |
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c*****u
发帖数: 18 | 48 bid 3h to show some extra and force pn shows his range. for example, bid 3nt
to show minimum and other cuebids to show extra. |
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b***y
发帖数: 2804 | 49 1) Partner probably has both majors, void in diamonds. It is barely
conceivable that he has spades and clubs (although I would disagree with 4D
if he has S+C). In any case I wouldn't pass 4S. 5C here is painless, it
caters to whatever hand type he has.
2) I am pretty liberal at reverse, I can accept 2H when you switch diamond
and spade suits, or when you hold x/AKxx/xxx/AKQTx, but as it is, this is
really an overbid. 3D is fine, you are not cuebidding at that moment, rather
you are looking for t |
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c****u
发帖数: 3277 | 50 no convention? lol, 5H then. With convention I'd transfer to H then cuebid. |
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