R*o
发帖数: 3781 | 1 The concept of a burning Hell where people are tortured eternally, is often
thought of as a Bible teaching. It isn't. Rather, the whole concept of a Hel
l as people see it today, where the bad are sent to an underground world tha
t is ruled by an evil God, comes from a misunderstanding of the pagan Greek
Mythology of Hades, the River Styx, and the God Pluto. For if you read Greek
mythology, you'll see that Hades was never a place of torture, but simply t
he place where the dead go to be judged. ... 阅读全帖 |
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l**********t
发帖数: 5754 | 2
LZ refers to the underlying assumptions of "evolution theory", which can't
be proved or disproved, and are based on faith. |
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l**********t
发帖数: 5754 | 3 good point. the static (gene / phenotype) homology itself is not sufficient to prove or
disprove the root causes that lead to the homology in a unique dynamic process occurred in the past. |
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R*o
发帖数: 3781 | 4 Good Intentions Gone Astray
No one has ever been as successful as John Calvin at totalitarian imposition
of "godliness" upon a whole society. And therefore no one has proved as cle
arly as he that coercion cannot succeed because it can never change the hear
ts of men. Calvin's theology as laid out in his Institutes denied that unreg
enerate man could choose to believe and obey God. Apparently he was ignorant
of the commonsense fact that genuine choice is essential if man is to love
and obey God ... 阅读全帖 |
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R*o
发帖数: 3781 | 5 Total Depravity
Of the ten words making up the acronym TULIP, four (total, depravity, uncond
itional and irresistible) are not even found in the Bible and two (limited a
nd perseverance) are each found only once. As for the phrases expressed by e
ach letter (Total Depravity, Unconditional Election, Limited Atonement, Irre
sistible Grace and Perseverance of the Saints), none of them appears anywher
e from the beginning of Genesis to the end of Revelation! We have, therefore
, good cause to be at ... 阅读全帖 |
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l**********t
发帖数: 5754 | 6 chapter 4.3 Temptation And Failure, The Challenge To Faith
For us, then, the two greatest facts in history are these: that all our
sins are dealt with by the Blood, and that we ourselves are dealt with
by the Cross. But what now of the matter of temptation? What is to be
our attitude when, after we have seen and believed these facts, we
discover the old desires rising up again? Worse still, what if we fall
once more into known sin? What if we lose our temper, or worse? Is the
w... 阅读全帖 |
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l**********t
发帖数: 5754 | 7 chapter 8.3 The Diversity Of The Experience
But you ask: How shall I know that the Holy Spirit is come upon me?' I
cannot tell how you will know, but you will know. No description has
been given us of the personal sensations and emotions of the disciples
at Pentecost. We do not know exactly how they felt, but we do know that
their feelings and behaviour were somewhat abnormal, because people
seeing them said they were intoxicated. When the Holy Spirit falls upon
God's people... 阅读全帖 |
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l**********t
发帖数: 5754 | 8 chapter 4.3 Temptation And Failure, The Challenge To Faith
For us, then, the two greatest facts in history are these: that all our
sins are dealt with by the Blood, and that we ourselves are dealt with
by the Cross. But what now of the matter of temptation? What is to be
our attitude when, after we have seen and believed these facts, we
discover the old desires rising up again? Worse still, what if we fall
once more into known sin? What if we lose our temper, or worse? Is the
w... 阅读全帖 |
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l**********t
发帖数: 5754 | 9 chapter 8.3 The Diversity Of The Experience
But you ask: How shall I know that the Holy Spirit is come upon me?' I
cannot tell how you will know, but you will know. No description has
been given us of the personal sensations and emotions of the disciples
at Pentecost. We do not know exactly how they felt, but we do know that
their feelings and behaviour were somewhat abnormal, because people
seeing them said they were intoxicated. When the Holy Spirit falls upon
God's people... 阅读全帖 |
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G******e
发帖数: 9567 | 10 FRANCIS COLLINS
Director, National Human Genome Research Institute
I see no conflict in what the Bible tells me about God and what science
tells me about nature. Like St. Augustine in A.D. 400, I do not find the
wording of Genesis 1 and 2 to suggest a scientific textbook but a powerful
and poetic description of God's intentions in creating the universe. The
mechanism of creation is left unspecified. If God, who is all powerful and
who is not limited by space and time, chose to use the mechanism ... 阅读全帖 |
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l**********t
发帖数: 5754 | 11
religion & science are complementary, not conflicting.
religion doesn't need to have all the attributes (“可证伪性” i.e) of
science.
As to the original of life, it is a unique sequence of historical events
that IMHO, so any theory/hypothesis about it can't be thoroughly tested/
repeated in controlled environments to prove or disprove ( Please don't cite
computer simulations since you can design the simulation to tell the story
that you want to hear). But you can always accept those with a leap of f... 阅读全帖 |
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G******e
发帖数: 9567 | 12 FRANCIS COLLINS
Director, National Human Genome Research Institute
I see no conflict in what the Bible tells me about God and what science
tells me about nature. Like St. Augustine in A.D. 400, I do not find the
wording of Genesis 1 and 2 to suggest a scientific textbook but a powerful
and poetic description of God's intentions in creating the universe. The
mechanism of creation is left unspecified. If God, who is all powerful and
who is not limited by space and time, chose to use the mechanism ... 阅读全帖 |
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l**********t
发帖数: 5754 | 13
religion & science are complementary, not conflicting.
religion doesn't need to have all the attributes (“可证伪性” i.e) of
science.
As to the original of life, it is a unique sequence of historical events
that IMHO, so any theory/hypothesis about it can't be thoroughly tested/
repeated in controlled environments to prove or disprove ( Please don't cite
computer simulations since you can design the simulation to tell the story
that you want to hear). But you can always accept those with a leap of f... 阅读全帖 |
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l**********t
发帖数: 5754 | 14
20. Therefore by the deeds of the law there shall no flesh be justified in
his sight: for by the law is the knowledge of sin.
"
20. Therefore by the works of the law, etc. It is a matter of doubt, even
among the learned, what the works of the law mean. Some extend them to the
observance of the whole law, while others confine them to the ceremonies
alone. The addition of the word law induced Chrysostom, Origen, and Jerome
to assent to the latter opinion;[106]for they thought that there is a
pecu... 阅读全帖 |
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a**********e
发帖数: 418 | 15 two points.
1. spiritual life cannot be proved or disproved by our material reasoning
believing or not is more of personal decision and faith.
2 Budda never claimed his was a GOD. |
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s********b
发帖数: 3 | 16
回应：
一、注意“长老”不是“老年人”可能是年轻人或中年人。请长老抹油祷告是很正常的
，任何相信圣经的教会都会有人相信并实践的。
二、我不清楚怎样解释‘“圣经”“新约”明确要求女人在教会要“闭口不言”’。
我不知道这个教导是不是绝对的，或“明确”。
例如，哥林多前书十一章，
4 凡男人祷告或是讲道（讲道或作说预言下同），若蒙着头，就羞辱自己的头。 5 凡
女人祷告或是讲道，若不蒙着头，就羞辱自己的头。因为这就如同剃了头发一样。 6
女人若不蒙着头，就该剪了头发。女人若以剪发剃发为羞愧，就该蒙着头。
这些经文意为，女人可以讲道（先知预言）只有蒙头（要不就剪头发）就可以了。与哥
林多前书十四章34-35节的教导有异。我没时间具体查原文希腊文怎么写的。
在网上找到一篇有关文章。（比较长）
http://www.ntrf.org/articles/article_detail.php?PRKey=16
Correctly Interpreting 1 Corinthians 14:33b-35 (Part 1＆Part 2)
by Steve Atkerson
If you ever wis... 阅读全帖 |
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l*****a
发帖数: 38403 | 17 Ezekiel’s prophecy of Tyre is very interesting to look at. In fact, it’s
one that is often used as evidence by both sides of the inerrancy debate.
Ezekiel 26-28 details a prophecy against the island city of Tyre. It was a
great trade center that features fairly prominently throughout the Bible.
Once the nation of Judah was led into captivity by Nebuchadnezzar of Babylon
, Ezekiel prophesied destruction for Tyre, since they were glad at the
destruction that had been wrought on Jerusalem. And the ... 阅读全帖 |
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w*********r
发帖数: 3382 | 18 that is so wrong
we do not believe BLINDLY in randomness, we believe so because so far the phenomenon appeared so, if one day more solid evidence showing the opposite, we are glad to adjust and move on. CAN YOU SAY THE SAME TO WHAT YOU BELIEVE?
the most pathetic thing about your belief system is that, while science is busy proving or disproving things, you are staying PUT where you were 2000 years ago, your faith isn't going ANYWHERE as it is confined in the that little book of yours.
anything |
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N*******8
发帖数: 1449 | 19 请问老 E,你有能力证明神不不存在吗?
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发信人: Eloihim (真神), 信区: TrustInJesus
标 题: Re: 我相信沒有神(譯)
发信站: BBS 未名空间站 (Thu Apr 12 17:00:27 2012, 美东)
嘿嘿！ 你有證據，我一定相信你。 你敢説有證據證明神不存在就不信神嗎？
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请读下面这个文章.
http://www.philosophynow.org/issues/78/Wheres_The_Evidence
The New Atheism
Where’s The Evidence?
Michael Antony argues that the New Atheists miss the mark.
“A wise man,” wrote Hume, “proportions his belief to the evidence.” This
is a formulation of evidentialism – the view that a bel... 阅读全帖 |
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D*****r
发帖数: 6791 | 20 Either a almighty God exist or it doesn't exist. You cannot prove it but you
can get an educated guess. Claiming it cannot be proved or disproved but
then hurry to accept its existence without evidence is just stubborn, not a
healthy faith. |
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l**********t
发帖数: 5754 | 21
this is a testable proposal -- because both "地球每個角落" and "有重力" are
both clearly defined.
But this example doesn't apply to the example you gave. You simply can't
disprove things that are unknown. |
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l**********t
发帖数: 5754 | 22
this is only one side of the coin -- are there any athesit non-biologists
who peddle "evolution theory" as the "scentific disproval" of Gensis in
public media/popular liberal articles?
：而且我也不认为科学和信仰完全不可以交流。
科学和信仰 is in perfect harmony IMHO, with 科学 a subset of 信仰. |
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l**********t
发帖数: 5754 | 23 "origin of species through natural selection" is a "fact", condition on the
assumption that the selection is "natural".
for example, I can mutate a bacteria gene (either randomly or target
particular sites), and then select their offsprings based on my criteria (
say antibiotic resistence). Or cross-breed some species and select their
offsprings based on certain phenotype.
In both cases, new "creatures" are created thru intelligent intervention of
the environment/habitat within which the creatu... 阅读全帖 |
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W***q
发帖数: 152 | 24 3. The Bible’s clear teaching of God’s creation and the uncertainty of
modern science.
a. Some scientists often act certain in their knowledge about the origin
of the universe, but their constant “revolutionary discoveries” prove
they are really just groping in the dark. Honest scientists, those not
puffed up with a proud arrogance, will admit this.
b. Some scientists may be arrogant when it comes to what can be known of
the universe, but we do not have to accept such arrogance. The cons... 阅读全帖 |
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l**********t
发帖数: 5754 | 25
1) the origin of life (abiogenesis) is not part of the classic evolution
theory.
The theory itself doesn't provide a complete scientific answer to how life
is created.
2) mutations are random (spontaneous, w/o any intervention from intelligence
/design) is an underlying assumption of the theory, and it
can't be proven (maybe disproved). All scientific theories are based on some
assumptions so evolution theory is entitiled to its own. You just have
to take it at face-value by faith. |
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E*****m
发帖数: 25615 | 26
Depends on the definition of this god. If you believe god created human
6000 years ago, then the god is disproved.
Again, this depends on how you define the god.
Homo Sapiens
random
evolution theory doesn't require mutations to be spontaneous or random.
I've said this to you too many times. You never learn.
The part contradict is "common descent". Literal genesis and evolution
theory
can not both be true. At least one of them is false. |
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l**********t
发帖数: 5754 | 27
Generally speaking, this could be debatable. stress environment may induce
higher mutation frequency, which makes the time of mutation dependent on the
time of the environmental change (stree vs. non-stress).
"自发的一个定义就是不受外来因素的影响" this can not be proven, can only be
disprove. |
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E*****m
发帖数: 25615 | 28
其實你才是基督教的高級黑
你哪國人？ 你連土地公都不知道？ 裝傻不可愛。
請給個連接說明這是在證明神存在的。
我找了一下， 到了這
http://www.gotquestions.org/Does-God-exist.html
結果一開頭就說
The existence of God cannot be proved or disproved. The Bible says that we
must accept by faith the fact that God exists
這還需要上課才知道嗎？ |
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j*******7
发帖数: 6300 | 29 One would be foolish to try to disprove the existence of time, because he
must take time to do that. No less of a fool is one who attempts to
invalidate logic. One must use logic itself to do so.
http://www.smallings.com/english/Essays/NatureOfLogic.html
Is Logic an Absolute?
by Roger Smalling, D.Min |
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j*******7
发帖数: 6300 | 30 Is Logic an Absolute?
by
Roger Smalling, D.Min
There exists a small category of realities termed primordial. These require
no proof of existence beyond themselves. Time and space are good examples.
Empty space would exist even if nothing else did. We need not try to prove
or explain them. They just are.
Time is another example of a primordial reality. If we define time as the
relative rate of change between material objects, then it follows that time
could not exist without matter. Or, that the ... 阅读全帖 |
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J*******g
发帖数: 8775 | 31 from Wiki.http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Evidence
Evidence, broadly construed, is anything presented in support of an
assertion. This support may be strong or weak. The strongest type of
evidence is that which provides direct proof of the truth of an assertion.
At the other extreme is evidence that is merely consistent with an assertion
but does not rule out other, contradictory assertions, as in circumstantial
evidence.
Evidence doesn't naturally prove or disprove things. Evidence in
Christianity... 阅读全帖 |
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n********n
发帖数: 8336 | 32 亚米纽斯神学的历史发展
亚米纽斯
亚米纽斯（Jacobus Arminius）在荷兰出生，并且曾在马堡、莱顿、日内瓦和巴
色等地读书。而在他生命中的最后六年，他曾在阿姆斯特丹的一间教会当牧师（1588至
1603年），则在荷兰的莱顿大学任教授。
亚米纽斯起初是一个严格的加尔文派信徒。他在日内瓦时，曾受学于加尔文的女婿
伯撒（Beza）门下。但当他维护加尔文的思想，对抗古尼贺尔特（Koornheert）时，他
觉得对手比他更能保卫自己的观点。亚米纽斯受驳斥后，也就摒弃了加尔文主义。
亚米纽斯反对加尔文关于预定和定罪的教义，他将加尔文的思想加以修订，令「神
不致被人当作是罪的创始者，人也不会成为神手中的一部机器」。他根据罗马书第九章
写过一篇论文，提倡有条件的拣选。他认为人有能力主动寻求救恩，人在救恩中可与神
合作。亚米纽斯与路德和加尔文不同之处，就是后者教导在堕落之后，自由意志已经丧
失，但亚米纽斯相信，神赐给每个人基本的（primary）或先前的（prevenient）恩典
，让每个人都可以向福音的呼召产生回应。亚米纽斯也反对堕落前论（
supralapsar... 阅读全帖 |
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n********n
发帖数: 8336 | 33 亚米纽斯神学的历史发展
亚米纽斯
亚米纽斯（Jacobus Arminius）在荷兰出生，并且曾在马堡、莱顿、日内瓦和巴
色等地读书。而在他生命中的最后六年，他曾在阿姆斯特丹的一间教会当牧师（1588至
1603年），则在荷兰的莱顿大学任教授。
亚米纽斯起初是一个严格的加尔文派信徒。他在日内瓦时，曾受学于加尔文的女婿
伯撒（Beza）门下。但当他维护加尔文的思想，对抗古尼贺尔特（Koornheert）时，他
觉得对手比他更能保卫自己的观点。亚米纽斯受驳斥后，也就摒弃了加尔文主义。
亚米纽斯反对加尔文关于预定和定罪的教义，他将加尔文的思想加以修订，令「神
不致被人当作是罪的创始者，人也不会成为神手中的一部机器」。他根据罗马书第九章
写过一篇论文，提倡有条件的拣选。他认为人有能力主动寻求救恩，人在救恩中可与神
合作。亚米纽斯与路德和加尔文不同之处，就是后者教导在堕落之后，自由意志已经丧
失，但亚米纽斯相信，神赐给每个人基本的（primary）或先前的（prevenient）恩典
，让每个人都可以向福音的呼召产生回应。亚米纽斯也反对堕落前论（
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b*****n
发帖数: 4976 | 34
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Why should 'this guy' feel shame while there is nothing
to shame of?
Disproving BS on a forum is not a shame. |
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o***1
发帖数: 592 | 35 复活节普天同庆。 本人也凑个份子， 仅以以下抄文献给基督徒朋友们， 并希望本版
这些才高八斗的基督徒知识分子们， 有人能接受下面的挑战。
http://ffrf.org/news/blog/item/20393-leave-no-stone-unturned-an
I HAVE AN EASTER challenge for Christians. My challenge is simply this: tell
me what happened on Easter. I am not asking for proof. My straightforward
request is merely that Christians tell me exactly what happened on the day
that their most important doctrine was born.
Believers should eagerly take up this challenge, since without the
resurrection, there is no Chr... 阅读全帖 |
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f******k
发帖数: 297 | 36 进化论可行性的问题其实Godel也思考过，这里引用他的话(A Logical Journey: From
Godel to Philosophy, MIT Press 1997)
I believe that mechanism in biology is a prejudice of our time which will be
disproved.In this case, one disproof, in my opinion, will consist in a
mathematical theorem to the effect that the formation within geological time
of a human body by the laws of physics (or any other laws of similar nature
), starting from a random distribution of the elementary particles and the
field, is as unlikely as the separ... 阅读全帖 |
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k***5
发帖数: 583 | 37 Mitochondrial Eve is estimated to have lived between 99,000 and 200,000
years ago,[3][4][5] most likely in East Africa,[6] when Homo sapiens sapiens
(anatomically modern humans) were developing as a population distinct from
other human sub-species.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mitochondrial_Eve
99，000-200，000这和你们宣称的一万年也差太大了，不过信徒们总能自己找解释，像
那个创世的一天不是我们日常说的一天等。
同一wiki的相关内容：
Not the biblical Eve
Owing to its figurative reference to the first woman in the Biblical Book of
Genesis, the Mitochondrial E... 阅读全帖 |
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z********o
发帖数: 18304 | 38 被人忽悠取英文论坛和基们辩论。交手几招，基们辩论不过，就把我封禁了。趁着帖子
还在，在这里留个底。
Is there a God? Or, does God exist?
My answer is: I don't know. Because I can neither prove nor disprove the
existence of a God.
Then why we can prove that the Christian God does NOT exist? The answer is:
information. Before I proceed to present my proof, let me give an example
first. Let's say:
1) if I tell you there is a strange horse-like animal but with two-heads and
three tails on earth. You may choose not to believe me, but can you prove I
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j*******7
发帖数: 6300 | 39 The disturbing thing is that this is impossible to prove or disprove.
Robert Grimminck is a Canadian crime fiction writer. |
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b********h
发帖数: 2451 | 40 一项新的研究表明，同性恋恋童癖的比例远超异性恋。你既然爱看统计数据，那就好好
看看吧。
Child molestation and pedophilia occur far more commonly among homosexuals
than among heterosexuals on a per capita basis, according to a new study.
"Overwhelming evidence supports the belief that homosexuality is a sexual
deviancy often accompanied by disorders that have dire consequences for our
culture," wrote Steve Baldwin in, "Child Molestation and the Homosexual
Movement," soon to be published by the Regent University Law Review.
Baldwin is the e... 阅读全帖 |
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S**U
发帖数: 7025 | 41 Nope.
Accepting the other side's hypothesis for the sake of argument is a valid way of logical refutation. e.g.
Reductio ad absurdum (Latin: "reduction to the absurd") is a form of argument in which a proposition is disproved by following its implications
logically to an absurd consequence.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Reductio_ad_absurdum
This type of argument has also been used extensively by Mahayana Madhyamaka masters such as Nagarjuna and Candrakirti. |
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P****S
发帖数: 2286 | 42 大乘里的推理方法是这样的。
先同意对方的观点，以此为基础推出对方也承认的错误。此时运用正命题等价于逆否命
题这个基本逻辑公理。就能得出如果不犯对方也承认的错误，推理的出发点，也就是对
方的观点是错误的
你能说说rcam的推理过程吗？或者rcam可以自己说说自己的推理过程。
way of logical refutation. e.g.
argument in which a proposition is disproved by following its implications
Madhyamaka masters such as Nagarjuna and Candrakirti. |
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S**U
发帖数: 7025 | 43 Western scientists have started looking into falsifiable parts of Buddhism.
e.g. meditation can change your brain has been proven by functional MRI.
Neuroplasticity has replaced the formerly-held view that the brain is a
physiologically static organ.
Falsifiability is related to the development of civilization. If you travel
back in time 500 years and tell them quantum mechanics, it is not
falsifiable to them because the technology was not there to test it. You can
only say QM is falsifiable in ... 阅读全帖 |
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S**U
发帖数: 7025 | 44 Western scientists have started looking into falsifiable parts of Buddhism.
e.g. meditation can change your brain has been proven by functional MRI.
Neuroplasticity has replaced the formerly-held view that the brain is a
physiologically static organ.
Falsifiability is related to the development of civilization. If you travel
back in time 500 years and tell them quantum mechanics, it is not
falsifiable to them because the technology was not there to test it. You can
only say QM is falsifiable in ... 阅读全帖 |
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t*****n
发帖数: 5 | 45 See my post above, you need at least continuous upto first order derivative.
The rest of the proof will be simple. |
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r*****y
发帖数: 507 | 46 Let me try to disprove your conculsion --"Stanford, MIT, UCB, CMU and UIUC are
unconditionally better than others in CS". It is simply not true (no doubt
Stanford CS is the real #1 in CS, but even stanford CS, computer vision
research in stanford is weak, or no computer vision research group?).
To make the discussions more concrete, let's take the UIUC CS from the above 5
to compare with the following CS programs in these areas. (I just use my
memory to list one example, may not be the top).
CS |
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s*****g
发帖数: 5159 | 47 For the term "negative results", I mean one fails either to prove or to
disprove a statement, however, during this attempt, one found some
approaches are proved infeasible. |
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发帖数: 181 | 49 To me, P = 0.051 is (almost) same as 0.05, although reviewers may not buy it
. "Borderline significant" is OK.
More samples is better, but it may disprove your announcement. |
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发帖数: 2136 | 50 Why Almost Everything You Hear About Medicine Is Wrong
http://www.newsweek.com/2011/01/23/why-almost-everything-you-he
If you follow the news about health research, you risk whiplash. First
garlic lowers bad cholesterol, then—after more study—it doesn’t. Hormone
replacement reduces the risk of heart disease in postmenopausal women, until
a huge study finds that it doesn’t (and that it raises the risk of breast
cancer to boot). Eating a big breakfast cuts your total daily calories, or
not—as a st... 阅读全帖 |
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