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f*****g
发帖数: 15860 | 2 i guess top two is the minimum, unless he's totally donk, the worst hand he
could have is TP + open ended (most likely higher end).
leave a good note on him, this is priceless information which will come back
to bite him later on.
and i rarely play 80BB+ stack in rush poker (i exit and return if i'm over),
after all, it's not much a play-people game as regular games, so you play
more system rather than read. |
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f*****g
发帖数: 15860 | 3 well, marginal.
the problem of this hand is that you may be still in a fixed mind set that
he's stealing (even after he shoves on flop, you don't take time to adjust
accordingly).
but i agree, it's a hand you can't get away easily with a T kicker. if he
donks with A9, then your story is totally different.
it's a pretty dry flop, your bet is a little bit too big, 3500 into 5000. in
this spot, he has a better idea of your range with position.
I
mine |
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c**********o
发帖数: 213 | 4 听起来像是super system里doley的理论：我赢了一个pot一定会接着玩下一手牌，无论
我有什么，在什么位置，直到我输掉一个pot为止。
我看完后的感想是：这样的donk都没有broke，可见当年的游戏有多soft。 |
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W********m
发帖数: 7793 | 5 Even donks knows to fold to turn shove with a middle pair i guess. Even if
he doesn't fold all the time, there is still some fold equity here. But i
think for sure he is firing 3rd barrel here with middle pair if he didn't
make 2 pair river. Because he knows he can't win on show down. Q9o...吐血。
their |
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W********m
发帖数: 7793 | 6 i called. he flips over pocket 2s.. where do these donks come from? NL 10
and NL 100 same crops of people? I have a feeling that if he doesn't have a set, i have him beat. and his smallish bets flop make me suspect that he has a set. when I under represent my hand this much i guess i have to pay off river |
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f*****g
发帖数: 15860 | 7 haha, want an easy life?
follow me, (in rush poker) over shove with AA from UTG or EP preflop like a
donk! yes, 90% of time i got no business and looks like i waste a premium
hand, but when i do get called by someone, i easily beat that 5bb/100 hands
for a session. |
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p*******p
发帖数: 13670 | 8 yah, he is a complete donk, he has a monster draw at turn (actually, even at
flop he has a open ended+Ace), he should bet flop and all in turn, it will
be extremely hard for you to call down
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No |
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f*****g
发帖数: 15860 | 9 hehe, want to know why my AA/KK hold up 95% these days? no, no 4x, those
donks are too brave.
or actually i don't care about these hands that much any more, say, i get 10
of them each day (out of 1500 hands), i'm fine with 8 small wins, 1 double
up, and 1 unknown anyway.
a
your
it
raise
I
increase |
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f*f
发帖数: 121 | 10 这些天犯得几个超级错误
1） 一手牌AK， 3bet preflop， flop AKT, 我bet， 对手raise, 这个对手很凶，
2/4的桌子， 我们每人都有200bb， 我想要等一等再reraise, 然后注意力就到了另一
张桌子上去了， 那张桌子是5/10, 我有一个很难的决定， 想了半天， 这个桌子时间
快到了， 开始滴滴叫， 我一不小心点了fold, 而且对手马上跑了
2） 2/4 桌子， 大概180bb deep， 可能是有点冷， 打了个抖， 不小心preflop直接
raise到了104， 对手allin， 我一看， 85o， 只好fold。 后来我有AK,又做了一次
raise到104， 对手直接fold.. 郁闷。。
3） 1/2 桌子， 我在玩3桌子， 别的都是大桌子， 没有注意这个桌子， flop AK3r,
我有25s， gut shot + backdoor flush draw, 对手 donk， 我raise, 他reraise,
我知道这个对手喜欢非常凶， 有喜欢3bet 所有的对子， 这里基本只有A3/K3 可能这
么玩， 其它都是b |
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f*****g
发帖数: 15860 | 11 来自主题: TexasHoldem版 - 它有什么？ yeah, Qs8s, and i immediately downgraded him to yellow or donk level, lol. |
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p*******p
发帖数: 13670 | 12 这个openclubface是个donk, 3bet very light
flop |
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p*******p
发帖数: 13670 | 13 你raise pot at river, 他不call才是donk呢, he only lose to case T here,
unless it's a very very big over bet, like 10 times of pot size, i will call
river too,hehe |
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f*****g
发帖数: 15860 | 14 来自主题: TexasHoldem版 - 愚人节？ not often (and of course, i don't overshove every AA either, lol).
but once i do get called, almost guarantee a good xBB/100 for that session.
the best spots to shove are against 4-5x raisers (typical TT/JJ/QQ/AK) or
from donk positions, like CO/BN, hehe.
if |
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W********m
发帖数: 7793 | 15 So i saw this guy limp raise utg all in with pocket 4s on one hand.. next
hand he is doing this limp raise at MP. i have pocket 10s. so i figured this
donk is doing the same thing again.. bam.. he has got pocket As.... 悲剧 |
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W********m
发帖数: 7793 | 16 想写一下自几第一次玩live poker的up and downs. 本来想全写中文, 不过我打得实
在太慢. 所以主要还是写英文加一些中文. 大家凑活着看把.
地点: Caesars Palace, Atlantic City, NJ,
时间: 5pm 4-10-2010 until 3am 4-11-2010
主要人物: 我, 同胞A with yellow jacket, Russion LAG donk, black guy who
look like Aikon, Successful fultilt online player with ironman jacket, Old
and quiet Asian guy, Talkative black dude with freckles, aggressive white guy
次要人物: businessman lookalike, baby face white guy who look like underage, Fish couple who plays next to each other, 同 |
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f*****g
发帖数: 15860 | 17 it's a new game, D is for donks. |
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W********m
发帖数: 7793 | 18 busted this donk second time tonight. he raise 3.5X flop. pot flop i call.
pot turn and i check raise 2.5X and he call. river i all in. and he called..
amazing call 啊. |
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W********m
发帖数: 7793 | 19 Because you are out of position
first one he donk bet half pot after call my preflop 3X
second one he raise 3X preflop and followed 2/3 pot after flop |
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W********m
发帖数: 7793 | 20 totally unnecessary here to reraise all in. just raise to 9$, the effect is
the same. (I do this sometimes at river even though i got shoved over sometimes.) If i don't call 14$ i won't call 9$ either. Anyone can watch some
poker on TV and make a brave bluff with air and think it is an advanced play.
Without a read, it is just donk spewing the pot.
This hand is very simple. 34 straight and pocket As beats me. He 3 bet me
preflop. if he goes pot pot all in, i probably won't fold but i won't feel |
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f*****g
发帖数: 15860 | 21 well, this happens to me too, if not everyday. but, at the end of a day, it'
s no big deal at all:
1) i almost never play more than 1.5 buy-ins, and i only buy-in medium, 60BB
or so (so i only play a relatively short stack), so even donks got lucky,
they won't hurt me much. chris fugerson's experiment (built a bankroll from
0 to $10K) teaches me a good lesson, if you're on a tight roll, cash out
with a strict discipline;
2) i don't expect AA to win much in a session at all. i overbet (never do - |
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W********m
发帖数: 7793 | 22 Did you reraise all in in hand 1? i think this is a very bad play vs a
short stack.
I made the same mistake yesterday. Of course I didn't have the luck you have. lol
I raise 3.5X EP with pocket Js vs a short stacker who has 50X bb. He 3 bet
to 9X and i shoved. he got pocket As. These short stack either are total
donk who will gamble with 86s or they really have something when they raise
utg or 3 bet you. I have read it on 2+2 which i totally agree, loose play
vs a short stack is one of the b |
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W********m
发帖数: 7793 | 23 罪过罪过...
75c sb, i call.
1$ sb after flop i raise to 2.5$. sb call
turn he check i bet 4$.
River he donked 8$... this is one of the toughest calls for me... i time-banked to think the hand over and called..
Guess he was thinking "我有AA, 我怕谁???" |
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f*****g
发帖数: 15860 | 24 poor SB, he should have followed my donk shove rule, lol.
banked to think the hand over and called.. |
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f*****g
发帖数: 15860 | 25 今天２把了，这是第二把，i bet flop, check turn，就有同志要跳出来out of
position donk bluff, bets big and folds. |
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W********m
发帖数: 7793 | 26 4X raise and call 120X limp reraise all in preflop.. Brave donk.. if you feel someone is bluffing because the bet is too big, most of the time they are not bluffing but having the nut.
1 out of 5 times i will lose on this but who cares? i went all in when I was ahead not when someone flop a set already.... |
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f*****g
发帖数: 15860 | 27 limping with AA, xixi... |
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n******1
发帖数: 4742 | 28 这牌是你的问题吧。。而且你是good fold啊。。 |
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W********m
发帖数: 7793 | 29 fish ah..lol. 不过要清掉AA也要AA配合的in a limped pot... ^_^ |
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W********m
发帖数: 7793 | 30 River donk shove all in.
prelfop he raise my limp to 4X.. after flop he half pot i call. turn i check
he pot. river i lead a little less than half pot and wait for him to spew
the pot.. and he did.. |
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W********m
发帖数: 7793 | 31 riase river and fold to reshove all in...nice move. Donk just can't sense strength from raise bet bet? |
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W********m
发帖数: 7793 | 32 you can bluff the fish. you can't bluff the hmmm... non-fish
if you don't think i will call you with A high.. think again. |
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f*****g
发帖数: 15860 | 33 SB bullying BB is a big leak for many micro players.
they just can't lay down or stop with a trash hand OUT OF POSITION. |
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W********m
发帖数: 7793 | 34 Yes we can!
Didn't know both had an 8 but i knew the raiser had something really good.. They raised preflop EP and called with this kind of junk. Damn donks.
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W********m
发帖数: 7793 | 35 I was thinking of this hand last night. How stupid it is for the guy to
reraise all in here. Does he seriously think that someone would call that
without an 8? What if someone have 10 8? then he is completely screwed. It
is an easy call and they can split my 4 $ river call. Because I would have
called with my bottom sets just for the pot odds so as many other hands i
might have. Stupid stupid donk shove. But saved me 4$. |
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W********m
发帖数: 7793 | 36 He does not have the nuts.
but i agree 2X-2.5X raise > call > shove all in (donk play)...
I probably won't be able to get away with this with a 2.5X raise.
of
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W********m
发帖数: 7793 | 37 agree.. no need to slow play here for the nut flush.. Get maximum value on
every street. if others have a top pair or 2 pair type of hand or even a
set, they won't bet turn after betting the flop..
it would be pretty standard for CO to call flop raise turn though.. A big
raise to protect his flush... He called 3 street which is very strange but
turn out to be the gold play. I would not be surprised to see him go broke
in this hand, which wouldn't be totally a donk play except a cooler...
you |
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W********m
发帖数: 7793 | 38 So we can all be rich.
after he half pot flop and 2/3 pot turn and raise all in so hard vs my
miniraise.. i almost folded my set thinking for sure that he has got 10s..
lol... crying call for the win ( i had to time bank this for the call).. he sure played his pocket Qs like the nuts
after flop.. |
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D*A
发帖数: 1169 | 39 Why Crying？
if he has nut,and make stupid all in, pay him,(although you still win at
last)
if he got TT, well, lay down bottom set but never middle one at small stake.
he sure played his pocket Qs like the nuts |
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W********m
发帖数: 7793 | 40 I was calling this without a doubt. But isn't it much much more comforting
if he call my raise and check call my pot river all in? ^_^
stake. |
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f*****g
发帖数: 15860 | 41 a hand i watched after turn...
turn board: Ad7d6s3s, pot was like ~$30 with a few donks.
river: 8d, my dad bets $4, and got 2 callers!
well, old man never bluffs and he turned over QdJd for a flush, one mucked
quickly, and the other lady turned over Qc3c for a turned bottom pair!!!
LOL, another "easy" money hand for old man. |
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T*********k
发帖数: 1621 | 42 I really do.
Those donkey always overplay AK. Boy, AK is still a A high hand in case you
don't know!
Yesterday, NL 1/2, in one hand, somebody raised in mid position for $7, 2
ppl called, I was at the button with pocket 5s, of course I called.
SB folded, the BB tanked for a couple second and raised to $43. The original
raiser tanked and then called. everyone folded to me.
I checked where the BB coming from, a UK guy. Got a feeling he is another
crazy Europen manic raised with AK. But for $43, I c |
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f*****g
发帖数: 15860 | 43 well, in this case, don't you think he made the right or best play (for his
own sake)?
and 55 is only a standard coin-flip here, i would not even call $27, since
it's not the right odds to flop a set. i could not call here just because he
's from UK, lol.
and for 55, too many other hands got me dominated, or, coin-flip is the best
case i could have, so easy fold.
you
original
that |
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s*********k
发帖数: 1989 | 44 I guess the guy play right. Either he flag call or raise big to fend off to
have equity. The first one is conservative and the second one
is aggressive. The second one is clearly better than the first one at this
case.
At flop, he bet 1/2 pot and that is reasonable too. As long as he get fold 1
out 3 times and he benefits. But call all-in is little bit
off line. At least the odds does not justify.
To you, most possible is that you are facing AK/AQ and middle pair. Your 55
is dominiated and has a |
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T*********k
发帖数: 1621 | 45 AK is not an automatic re-raised hand in cash game. A lot of ppl are
confused regarding this concept.
It is a monster hand in tournament, but in cash game it is not.
In this particular case, If I were the BB, I would have just flat called and
see the flop, the reason being: AK really is a trapping hand in cash game,
It only has the 30% chance of connecting on the flop. One player opened the
pot in mid position with a raise, several ppl called, someone could very
easily have a real hand. If I com |
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W********m
发帖数: 7793 | 46 you are not taking fold equity into consideration. Flat preflop is terrible
at this spot. flop comes A 5 6. What is he going to do? Stack you when you
raise him flop? Terrible play. Worse than how it is played now. It is
bringing trouble to yourself. AK does not play multi-way pot well. Everyone
should know that. AK needs to isolate preflop. You are at least 50% chance
winning agaisnt one player. With added fold equity, you should do well over
long run.
When I have AK at bb someone raise 4X an |
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f*****g
发帖数: 15860 | 47 he's making a standard squeeze play here with a decent hand.
$7 or 3.5x is next to nothing, and a few callers (not likely have a big hand
either), he could easily win right here if the raiser folds, then comes the
domino effect that everyone follows.
a few pros even suggest a more aggressive play here with worse hands like
TJs.
post flop, even he misses, against a single player, AK is not in too bad
shape considering pre-flop action and rag flop. if you call or another
one calls, the whole pictu |
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T*********k
发帖数: 1621 | 48 I guess it is just a personal preference then.
You like to play AK aggressively out of position. I don't. I don't even
think AK is a real hand because without the flop connecting, it is still A
high and can't beat a pair 2s.
When you are talking about isolation, you are talking about you have a
strong hand and you prefer to against only one or two player to prevent
other ppl drawing out on you. This is true if you have a big pair like AAs,
KKs, QQs, or sometimes JJs. Not Ak, IMO. With AK, you ar |
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W********m
发帖数: 7793 | 49 It is not a personal preference.
It is simply
Reraise>=fold>call at this spot...
Poker is much more than just starting hands odds. However, if you think of the odds, it is still great to repop here.
If you want to play tight, just fold. I do it all the time with AK. Flat
here is the worst of all. But i will flat here with 10Js..
Repop with 10Js is way too aggressive which does not fit my ABC poker strategies. I hate to repop with a hand that I might be dominated.
,
So
with |
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f*****g
发帖数: 15860 | 50 from his squeeze size, $43 for a ~$30 pot (4 callers for $7), i believe his
intention is to end the game right here most of time.
again, $7 or 3.5x raise could be anything nowadays (from small PP to SCs to
big hands), or does not have the "tradtional" strength any more. if he
believes 80% of time the original raiser is opening light, he'd be fine.
AK is only a big dog against AA/KK anyway, and in his opponents' eyes, his
range is bigger than that.
it's not a play we should make every time, but i |
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