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p****r
发帖数: 9164 | 2 en. I think the risk is a lot lower in 20BB/player cap game as well. |
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p****r
发帖数: 9164 | 4 yeah. PS only offers high stake hyper HUSNG now. For hyper SNG, the highest
stake is only 30$. hehe. Guess they do not want ppl go broke too fast. |
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c*****t
发帖数: 817 | 5 Have you guys tried 10-player double up games? The variance tends to be
lower and the game is clearly beatable. There are many bad players there who
know nothing about ICM model. For example, when having a big stack at the
bubble, they call allin push from another big stack with QQ or AK. They just
do not know that they are supposed to have a very wide push range and an
extremely narrow calling range at the bubble. Sometimes this can put me on a
huge tilt, though, when a fish decides to call you... 阅读全帖 |
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p****r
发帖数: 9164 | 6 it is cash game. the rake should be 3$ cap. for lower stake, I think the
rake is between 3-4%, do not know the exact number though. |
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发帖数: 7793 | 7 there were plenty of chinese low stake SSS cash grinder couple of years back
on PS. That's why they raised minimum buy-in. Most of them are rackback pro
. It is very easy to play SSS once you get the strategy down. But the edge
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发帖数: 817 | 8 In general, everyone has a category of games he is best at. I think we
should try every game to find out our best. For example, a chinese girl at
zhiyoucheng is really, really good at playing satellite games. I am really
surprised at how she managed to win so many $1050 tickets by playing $4
rebuy satellites. Her understanding of the ICM model must be fundamentally
different from other people -- otherwise where is her edge from? Once I even
tried to observe her games to steal her strategy. :-)
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p****r
发帖数: 9164 | 9 she mostly plays 10-20NLor 25-50NL at PS recently. not quite small stake.
Considerd cap structure, it is not really big game though. I think she made
most of her money since she moved up.
Do you know any place that I can find strategy for 6max or FR cap
cash game? 20BB/player structure
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H****r
发帖数: 2801 | 10 $3 cap rake is high lol, that's the rake for live games @@
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p****r
发帖数: 9164 | 11 ya. that is really sick ROI! I just sharkscoped her. Especially after so
many games.
6,177 $8 $24 53% $49,183
PokerStars【 在 chemcat (化学猫，rxn impossible) 的大作中提到: 】
even
year:
ITM
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W********m
发帖数: 7793 | 12 老大, 这种research, 你要自己做啊, 毕竟你是pro, 我是业余. 赫赫..
我只能告诉你, it is out there. 其实, 你自己想想也可以想出来啊, 就是preflop
raise reshove range 吗. 放进poker stove 里算算就行了. 基本可以把对不同对手
的raise/reshove range 都算出来.
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p****r
发帖数: 9164 | 13 lol.but you are teacher MM. i am not pro as well. |
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c*****t
发帖数: 817 | 14 iloveyz used to write lots of blog posts. She is just an ok player in cash
games. So I am very impressed by how she became such a master in satellite
games. Another reason might be that superturbo SnGs are well studied by many
people so it is hard even for the best player to get more than 15% ROI, but
satellite games are not well understood so she can get 50% ROI. |
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W********m
发帖数: 7793 | 15 you have to pay for this kind of teaching. For free, you can only get
comments like, "it is out there" 你懂的.. |
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W********m
发帖数: 7793 | 16 化学猫和我一样啊, 想偷别人的edge.. hehe..
even
year:
ITM
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p****r
发帖数: 9164 | 17 blog on Zhi you cheng? you have link? :)
I never read any Chinese poker site before BF. I did not even know
there is online poker in China before BF. It seems there are lots of
really good low stake SNG player from China.
50% ROI and 50k profit is wonderful considering she has 6k game
sample, no matter what format she plays.
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发帖数: 7793 | 18 也有可能是有variance 的成分在里面, 看看她在ftp(相同ID) 的的战绩就惨不忍睹. poker 这东东, 有时候variance 也忒大了点. 6000个sng 其实不是很多. 她肯定有一手, 打sateline 有一套, 但true ROI 可能没那么高 (这可能性还不小).
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发帖数: 817 | 19 Her blog posts were on some other websites. I read them a while ago and I
forgot the link now. But those blog posts are basically like Fryking's
reports -- vivid stories about a girl's experience in live casinos. There
were really no fancy plays or wow moments. We probably cannot learn anything
from her blog posts.
I think her 50% ROI over 6000 games is pretty much only achievable for
satellites. I guess in superturbo SnGs even the best player in this planet
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发帖数: 817 | 20 Nah. She played for >$100,000 per year at pokerstar but sonly played for several hundred bucks at FTP, so the
FTP result does not really matter.
However, she did admit that she only played regular tourneys at FTP and she got no edge at
them -- there are so many good regular tourney players. So she gave up.
Then in 2010, she tried to switch to PLO and she crashed again. So in 2011,
she decided to stick to what she is best at. Rich Zhu once commented that
she is one of the best satellite players i... 阅读全帖 |
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W********m
发帖数: 7793 | 21 i like pandaMM, i think she is a nice person, most likely very good at
sateline as well. 不过rich 对那里班主水平的品价可以基本忽略. 赫赫, 没有人比
他更偏见得护着自己人了.
But I am also curious to see her writing some strategies.
not counter.
she got no edge at
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W********m
发帖数: 7793 | 23 how do i know? lol.. but i know she is a woman and she lives in Toronto.
that is all. |
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c*****t
发帖数: 817 | 24 I agree that Rich's comments should be taken with a grain of salt in most
cases. However, this time he might be right. SnGs are not like regular
tourneys where a big win can give you 10000% ROI. Instead, a constant 50%
ROI in SnGs is like every game is an one hand blind allin and you got AKs
and villain got A2o.
P.S. I am also curious about how panda mm looks like. |
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W********m
发帖数: 7793 | 25 上次我去多伦多,说要去看她, 被拒绝了(其实我也就是这么一说).. haha... 都说她是damao的徒弟, 可以挖挖看
他们之间的8g.. lol |
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p****r
发帖数: 9164 | 26 I know liu xuan is from Toranto, but should not be her since liu xuan is
much higher stake player. Guess better player as well. She already has more
than 1 million tourney winning. Liu xuan is pretty cute though.
btw, I met Rich zhu a few times in Vegas, very quiet guy.
also, we are more interested in the 8g between u and pandamm . :)
是damao的徒弟, 可以挖挖看 |
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W********m
发帖数: 7793 | 27 kao.. like I said, I don't know her. 只是在网上笔交过. 那也就那么几次
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c*****t
发帖数: 817 | 29 Panda MM cannot be Liu Xuan. I think Liu Xuan mostly play mixed games.
Rich Zhu does not seem to be very active these days. |
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W********m
发帖数: 7793 | 30 就是写给你看的。 lol
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p****r
发帖数: 9164 | 31 She just made FT of PCA main event , good for 600k. |
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s*******o
发帖数: 4896 | 32 no way they can get 20%
I guest the best player in superturbo SNG at 20-30 level
can only get no more than 8%
anything |
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发帖数: 29 | 33 化学猫是谁？怎么比panda还要了解panda的整个扑克史？其实她没有那么厉害，而且最
近也在下风中，接连两个月都输钱了...... |
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p*******p
发帖数: 13670 | 35 more like a limit game
NL100
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c*****t
发帖数: 817 | 38 Panda Jie, I have been your fan for many years, silently tracking your
progress. :-) |
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L********a
发帖数: 29 | 39 一句话就read出来是正牌？看来你的读人又进步了呀。好久不见，风暴。祝龙年大发！ |
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c*****t
发帖数: 817 | 40 Panda Jie, do you have a blog/facebook/twitter I can follow? |
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L********a
发帖数: 29 | 41 谢谢！我何德何能啊。若不是朋友把这个贴子的link发给我，我还真不知道自己如此荣
幸，一直被默默关注呢。不过你一句Jie把我叫蔫了......^-^ |
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L********a
发帖数: 29 | 42 我有个新浪博客，不过一年没更新了。新浪微博也有，同样是好久都不上去一回的。我
懒得很，谁follow谁倒霉。：） |
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c*****t
发帖数: 817 | 43 Jie just shows my respect, e.g., Panda SenSei.
I am pretty sure that I am older than you. :-) |
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p****r
发帖数: 9164 | 44 这就是传说中的ROI 55% 的 大牛？现在我版各种牛人越来越多阿，欢迎多来这交流
，指导！
同是打SNG的膜拜中！ |
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p****r
发帖数: 9164 | 45 能回答一下俺36楼的问题吗？呵呵，kidding.. |
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p****r
发帖数: 9164 | 46 5,780 $8 $25 54% $48,515
我自己打过几万个SNG, 也查过几万个对手的数据，好像还没讲过这么牛sharkscope
的。给俺们讲讲武林秘籍吧，有包子奖励。。。
【 在 Luckypanda (Luckypanda) 的大作中提到: 】 |
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L********a
发帖数: 29 | 49 我最怕别人问我这个，其实我真不是想藏着掖着，确实没什么秘决啊。我打的绝大多数
是turbo的satellite，跟普通SNG不太一样。Turbo卫星赛不需要慢打，不需要太多的分
析，大多数时候，要上的话就是直接all in了，尤其在中后期。我可能是打得多了，在
push or fold上面的感觉比别人好一点而已。
若是非要说点注意事项的话，可能就是在泡沫期的时候，不要只盯着自己的桌子,要看
看外面整个比赛的大局走势。比如看看有多少张门票，还差几个人出局，大家的筹码分
配如何，别桌的小筹码什么时候会轮到盲注等等。让你决定push or fold的主要考量，
绝对不是你手中的牌，folding equity非常重要。
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p****r
发帖数: 9164 | 50 多谢牛人指点，发了二十个包子，表示感谢。 欢迎以后常来这啊，这里高手多多，
还有一个超级给力的版主。
folding equity 的却非常重要，我打的打部分是Husng,打super turbuo 时
， 最喜欢的对手就是 tight 的对手， 跟打得太loose 的人，即使是鱼，赢率也不是
很高。 |
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