第8页 - 关于fold的讨论汇总 - 话题女王

T*********k
发帖数: 1621

来自主题: TexasHoldem版 - Would you call or fold this hand at the river?

I am not neccesory agree with the big bet on the flop.
A pot size bet, in this case, $80, will make the pot way to big to manage on
later street, especailly when I am OOP. I doubt it will stop some loose
player to chase gutter as well, especially there is another player called as
well, giving better odds to chase a gutter in late position.
Plus it doesn't gain much information as well. QK, QJ will have also called,
sometimes you even get called by QT. After all, ppl play those broadway
card and ... 阅读全帖

p****r
发帖数: 9164

来自主题: TexasHoldem版 - Would you call or fold this hand at the river?

It really depends on opponent.

Lot of decent players would fold KQ, QJ on that flop to a pot size bet
from early position raiser, especially that raiser had been played solid and can bet againt 2 preflop callers. That raisers's range is nearly QQ+, AQ.

str.
rule
well
he
was

W********m
发帖数: 7793

来自主题: TexasHoldem版 - Would you call or fold this hand at the river?

flop Bet is not too big. It's perfect sizing. River check call 也可以。 bet
call 也可以。这牌在2／5 上除了对rock. 不能fold。你其实只输straight. 而且还
赢很多他2 pair的value range.
Well played

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poker with ........
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c*****t
发帖数: 817

来自主题: TexasHoldem版 - Would you call or fold this hand at the river?

1. 我是绝对会call的，他的turn bet size 太小。很难想像有SET的时候他会BET 60
into 220. 所以我不会相信他会是SET.他如果是SET的话，flat call your flop bet很
合理。但是turn上你CHECK以后他为了在后面两条街打倒全下，肯定需要至少搞到100以
上才行。除非他能预料到在RIVER有raise你的机会。不然他的river bet会是个OVERBET
很难被CALL。
2. flop上你的SPR是6左右。除非你有READ知道敌人是千年不RAISE的石头老爷爷。TPTK
commit不会是个很大的LEAK。
3. 这么DRY的board我觉得bet half pot完全正确。在100 BB这个筹码深度。完全没有
必要bet full pot for information -- 用20个BB来换information太贵了。任何dry
board都有遇到set的可能。难道我们每次都bet full pot with a tptk and fold to a
raise? 除非对人有read,否则基本上按SPR来打就好了。

c*****t
发帖数: 817

来自主题: TexasHoldem版 - Would you call or fold this hand at the river?

I generally commit TPTK when SPR < 4. Between 4 and 8 is a grey area and it
depends.
When SPR is higher than 8, I tend not to commit TPTK and dont worry too much
about protecting my hand.
But in general I tend not to respect a flop raise much. Often times people
like to raise their top pair or even 2nd pair to know where they are. I will
always just smooth call OOP with TPTK or two pair or a set. I am not sure
if that is the right play, but I just never want to tell them where they are
if their... 阅读全帖

p****r
发帖数: 9164

来自主题: TexasHoldem版 - 昨天我还fold 了一把AKs preflop

+1
that black guy is quite a fish, no need to gamble with AKs without
much dead money in the pot. we can find better spot.

For deep stack NL live game, when I openned with AK and got 3 bet, I
fold it preflop a lot to a lot regs that I am familiar with. These regs
are very solid and their range of 3 betting to me is pretty much JJ+. If I
hit A or K, I can not get any action unless I am beat.

fish
, 结果
show
button,
check

p****r
发帖数: 9164

来自主题: TexasHoldem版 - A sick fold on the flop

Had been playing quite solid on a 2-5 NL table.
Raised 20$ UTG with AQ(hero 450$), called by tight/weak black guy(350$)
and a Vietnam girl at SB (over 1k$).
Flop came Q T 7, two spade. I checked, black guy bet 50$ into 60$ pot,
vietnam
girl snap called.
I did not have any spade in my hand. After thinking quite a while , I
just decided to fold on the flop even I know I have best hand a lot of time.
Since I only have 20$ invested and it is quite dangerous to me to continue
this hand ... 阅读全帖

W********m
发帖数: 7793

来自主题: TexasHoldem版 - A sick fold on the flop

Might as well Just fold preflop. lol. Save $20 more.
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w**********y
发帖数: 1691

来自主题: TexasHoldem版 - A sick fold on the flop

I think it is a good and reasonable fold.
But why you just checked at flop? The sb checked and you also checked?
KQ is good enough for the black guy to bet 50$, right?

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time.
continue

h****5
发帖数: 191

来自主题: TexasHoldem版 - A sick fold on the flop

standard fold. pick a better spot.

T*********k
发帖数: 1621

来自主题: TexasHoldem版 - A sick fold on the flop

I am not as XiLi as Teacher MM, but he has a point.
If you are worried about risk / reward ratio of playing this hand OOP, it
might just better to limp in early position. Raise this hand OOP, hit your
card, but check fold after one bet and one call seems strange.

f**********1
发帖数: 52

来自主题: TexasHoldem版 - A sick fold on the flop

now you really lost me, what do you mean " if I didn't assign a range to
hero", don't you try to put someone on certain range of hands when you play
all the time?
SB's hand has straight flush draw better than any AsKs/AsJs, ahead of any
other hand in the range except probably KsJs, let alone a TpTk. of course I
would push all in with my stack size against any 4-bet. actually preferable.
of course I want to give SB some credit for her stack size, but really
unsure about her call here, unless she... 阅读全帖

c******q
发帖数: 456

来自主题: TexasHoldem版 - A sick fold on the flop

Actually I would probably raise too if I was SB. But I think you put too
many strong hands into hero's range. If it is the case, I'd rather to flat
here. What I put hero on is totally air, mid-pair, AK (non spade), AQ, or
flush draw, because I don't expect hero to slow play his set or AKs on such
a draw heavy board. Against this range, J9s has quite significant equity and
folding equity as well. In term of the black guy, he could have as strong
as QQ or even AKs. But with his shallow stack behin... 阅读全帖

s*********r
发帖数: 4210

来自主题: TexasHoldem版 - A sick fold on the flop

I see Player's view. Raise with AQo pre is good under that moment. With the
flop and a new round of betting, he got more information than before, so
folding here is reasonable.

W********m
发帖数: 7793

来自主题: TexasHoldem版 - A sick fold on the flop

"If both opp are on a draw, I could be still a huge under dog. "
This is incorrect. Even if they are on a straight flush draw, you are still
slightly under dog, depending on whether you have A of spade or not 45%:55%
or 49%:51%. This is not a huge underdog. If 2 of them are drawing then you
are ahead money EV wise for sure.
"My AQ on Q T 7 two spade board is so much weaker than Q 7 2 rainbow board
."
I also diagree with this statement. Your AQ is not SO MUCH weaker on a drawy
board QT7 spade.... 阅读全帖

n***a
发帖数: 274