T*********k 发帖数: 1621 | 1 I am not neccesory agree with the big bet on the flop.
A pot size bet, in this case, $80, will make the pot way to big to manage on
later street, especailly when I am OOP. I doubt it will stop some loose
player to chase gutter as well, especially there is another player called as
well, giving better odds to chase a gutter in late position.
Plus it doesn't gain much information as well. QK, QJ will have also called,
sometimes you even get called by QT. After all, ppl play those broadway
card and ... 阅读全帖 |
|
p****r 发帖数: 9164 | 2 It really depends on opponent.
Lot of decent players would fold KQ, QJ on that flop to a pot size bet
from early position raiser, especially that raiser had been played solid and can bet againt 2 preflop callers. That raisers's range is nearly QQ+, AQ.
str.
rule
well
he
was |
|
W********m 发帖数: 7793 | 3 flop Bet is not too big. It's perfect sizing. River check call 也可以。 bet
call 也可以。这牌在2/5 上除了对rock. 不能fold。你其实只输straight. 而且还
赢很多他2 pair的value range.
Well played
I don't have many interesting hands to share these days. I am playing boring
poker with ........
★ Sent from iPhone App: iReader Mitbbs Lite 7.28 |
|
c*****t 发帖数: 817 | 4 1. 我是绝对会call的,他的turn bet size 太小。很难想像有SET的时候他会BET 60
into 220. 所以我不会相信他会是SET.他如果是SET的话,flat call your flop bet很
合理。但是turn上你CHECK以后他为了在后面两条街打倒全下,肯定需要至少搞到100以
上才行。除非他能预料到在RIVER有raise你的机会。不然他的river bet会是个OVERBET
很难被CALL。
2. flop上你的SPR是6左右。除非你有READ知道敌人是千年不RAISE的石头老爷爷。TPTK
commit不会是个很大的LEAK。
3. 这么DRY的board我觉得bet half pot完全正确。在100 BB这个筹码深度。完全没有
必要bet full pot for information -- 用20个BB来换information太贵了。任何dry
board都有遇到set的可能。难道我们每次都bet full pot with a tptk and fold to a
raise? 除非对人有read,否则基本上按SPR来打就好了。 |
|
c*****t 发帖数: 817 | 5 I generally commit TPTK when SPR < 4. Between 4 and 8 is a grey area and it
depends.
When SPR is higher than 8, I tend not to commit TPTK and dont worry too much
about protecting my hand.
But in general I tend not to respect a flop raise much. Often times people
like to raise their top pair or even 2nd pair to know where they are. I will
always just smooth call OOP with TPTK or two pair or a set. I am not sure
if that is the right play, but I just never want to tell them where they are
if their... 阅读全帖 |
|
p****r 发帖数: 9164 | 6 +1
that black guy is quite a fish, no need to gamble with AKs without
much dead money in the pot. we can find better spot.
For deep stack NL live game, when I openned with AK and got 3 bet, I
fold it preflop a lot to a lot regs that I am familiar with. These regs
are very solid and their range of 3 betting to me is pretty much JJ+. If I
hit A or K, I can not get any action unless I am beat.
fish
, 结果
show
button,
check |
|
p****r 发帖数: 9164 | 7 Had been playing quite solid on a 2-5 NL table.
Raised 20$ UTG with AQ(hero 450$), called by tight/weak black guy(350$)
and a Vietnam girl at SB (over 1k$).
Flop came Q T 7, two spade. I checked, black guy bet 50$ into 60$ pot,
vietnam
girl snap called.
I did not have any spade in my hand. After thinking quite a while , I
just decided to fold on the flop even I know I have best hand a lot of time.
Since I only have 20$ invested and it is quite dangerous to me to continue
this hand ... 阅读全帖 |
|
W********m 发帖数: 7793 | 8 Might as well Just fold preflop. lol. Save $20 more.
★ Sent from iPhone App: iReader Mitbbs Lite 7.36 |
|
w**********y 发帖数: 1691 | 9 I think it is a good and reasonable fold.
But why you just checked at flop? The sb checked and you also checked?
KQ is good enough for the black guy to bet 50$, right?
$)
time.
continue |
|
h****5 发帖数: 191 | 10 standard fold. pick a better spot. |
|
T*********k 发帖数: 1621 | 11 I am not as XiLi as Teacher MM, but he has a point.
If you are worried about risk / reward ratio of playing this hand OOP, it
might just better to limp in early position. Raise this hand OOP, hit your
card, but check fold after one bet and one call seems strange. |
|
f**********1 发帖数: 52 | 12 now you really lost me, what do you mean " if I didn't assign a range to
hero", don't you try to put someone on certain range of hands when you play
all the time?
SB's hand has straight flush draw better than any AsKs/AsJs, ahead of any
other hand in the range except probably KsJs, let alone a TpTk. of course I
would push all in with my stack size against any 4-bet. actually preferable.
of course I want to give SB some credit for her stack size, but really
unsure about her call here, unless she... 阅读全帖 |
|
c******q 发帖数: 456 | 13 Actually I would probably raise too if I was SB. But I think you put too
many strong hands into hero's range. If it is the case, I'd rather to flat
here. What I put hero on is totally air, mid-pair, AK (non spade), AQ, or
flush draw, because I don't expect hero to slow play his set or AKs on such
a draw heavy board. Against this range, J9s has quite significant equity and
folding equity as well. In term of the black guy, he could have as strong
as QQ or even AKs. But with his shallow stack behin... 阅读全帖 |
|
s*********r 发帖数: 4210 | 14 I see Player's view. Raise with AQo pre is good under that moment. With the
flop and a new round of betting, he got more information than before, so
folding here is reasonable. |
|
W********m 发帖数: 7793 | 15 "If both opp are on a draw, I could be still a huge under dog. "
This is incorrect. Even if they are on a straight flush draw, you are still
slightly under dog, depending on whether you have A of spade or not 45%:55%
or 49%:51%. This is not a huge underdog. If 2 of them are drawing then you
are ahead money EV wise for sure.
"My AQ on Q T 7 two spade board is so much weaker than Q 7 2 rainbow board
."
I also diagree with this statement. Your AQ is not SO MUCH weaker on a drawy
board QT7 spade.... 阅读全帖 |
|
n***a 发帖数: 274 | 16 fold to me, don't like the J kicker, maybe a blocking bet on the river? |
|
w**********y 发帖数: 1691 | 17 $90 : $146. Villain’s range includes, set/straight (bad beat), two pairs (I
put him here), QX, small pairs. Your winning rate seems not above 50%. So
fold.
just my 2cents. |
|
r****r 发帖数: 1394 | 18 guess you called and won.
a
fold. |
|
f*****g 发帖数: 15860 | 19 call.
1) you got QcJc, rainbow flop of other 3 suits, this kills a lot of suited
Qx hands (ppl like to play with);
2) AQ/KQ are unlikely here, either they would raise preflop, or bet
somewhere, or never overplay this big on river;
3) sets, 77 wouldn't come this far, 44/99 would do something before river.
66 possible, but not this river bet;
4) two pairs, very trashy board, not many connectors would be able to come
here on river (97s/96s/etc.);
5) few loose passive guys would have a well-planned ... 阅读全帖 |
|
l*****g 发帖数: 1128 | 20 "i personally don't like the turn bet though. pot control is better."
___又 pot control?上次你自己还说你老是喜欢pot control,control个头之类的,
现在又来了? 呵呵。。其实我BET我的TP那么STRONG很多时候也是根据那个BOARD来的,
不好的BOARD,我有时TP都是FLOP上CHECK-FOLD的。很多人估计不喜欢和我玩,老是BET
,别人又想DRAW,每次到了RIVER CHECK DOWN看牌的时候都想着我有SET或是TWO PAIR
之类的,谁知每次亮出来都是TP或SECOND PAIR之类的,那时我每次看到他们气愤的表
情我就有点想笑。其实现在想想这也是为什么这个人会BLUFF我的原因。因为前面有一
盘牌我就是这样,拿着J 9在 9c 5c 2d 6h 5s这个BOARD上FLOP(21$) 和TURN(45$)上
猛BET,他又要DRAW他的FLUSH,只能CALL了,到了RIVER 他MISS掉了我CHECK他也不敢
BET,因为看我BET这么猛以为我有很好的牌,... 阅读全帖 |
|
r****r 发帖数: 1394 | 21 please do NOT call yourself a SLAG, please.
a
fold. |
|
H****r 发帖数: 2801 | 22 Never see 2-3 NL game structure lol
Nice hand on good read!
I might prefer put a block bet on river but nowadays people with good read
sometime would pull a big bluff anyway...
Guess the discussion about male/female poker tendency is more on the
entertaining side @@
a
fold. |
|
b*******s 发帖数: 1175 | 23 2/3/5NL game action table, Hero limps in at button with Td4d for 20 with 5
other guys. Flop Ad5d4c. SB with about 500 bets 45, UTG allin with 200,
cutoff-1 allin 350, cutoff(chip leader with 2500) calls. Action to hero with
about 600 chips. Do you shove or fold? |
|
|
|
b*******s 发帖数: 1175 | 26 I folded it too. but amazing hands of the guys, SB has ATo, UTG has 8d7d,
cutoff-1 has A4, cutoff has A3. Turned a 2h, river a 8h. Chip leader won. |
|
k*******u 发帖数: 266 | 27 Fold. You have little chance to have either best hand or best draw. |
|
p****r 发帖数: 9164 | 28 online cash game
MP opens to 3 BB, a couple of callers and I called with 77 on BB, with
100 BB hehind.
Flop came JT7, two clubs. I check, original raiser bet about 1/3 of the
pot, a solid player made a 3 times raise on button, action to me?
I just feel my bottom set can not beat much here, but this is my first
set of day and still ship it.
should I just fold 77 here? |
|
w********1 发帖数: 1414 | 29 这下老大不会老是痛锤我fold 4条了吧。
看来不是个例啊。
tournament,
,
10. |
|
q****8 发帖数: 3281 | 30 通常对于UNKNOWN PLAYER,我这里不可能FOLD。我一般不给对手太多CREDIT的,除非他
证明了我必须给他CREDIT。不过STACK这么深,700BB,这个决定也太可怕了吧。按POT
ODDS和RANGE分析肯定得CALL了,谁知道他会不会QJ,QT也这么打。如果他不是作秀,那
他就不是AdQd。QQ也不像,这么DEEP,PREFLOP 还不3-BET IP? |
|
w***w 发帖数: 6301 | 31 Fold.
Hero's river action shows hero was at least top boat.
1.Villan's river 1300 bet shows he was at least a boat.
2.Hero's river check/reraise shows he was at least top boat.So hero's card
could be KQ,KK,AdQd,Qd9d.
If Villan had KQ, he would only call, assuming Villan is a normal player. |
|
w***w 发帖数: 6301 | 32 Hero fold KK.
Villan showed AdQd. |
|
d*****0 发帖数: 1500 | 33 my2c
fold to passive players and call aggros
if villain's stats look balanced (wssd ex small 50?), call first time and
take notes |
|
W********m 发帖数: 7793 | 34 good check on the turn,can not fold river. snap call river to balance your
calling range on river....... |
|
R******p 发帖数: 35 | 35 Against nitty player preflop.
Regular, TAG turn?
Bad players and maniac, never fold. cross your finger and pray.
I have a feeling you stake off pretty light playing deep stake. Is this how
these games regularly are? If so, games must be juicy. |
|
d*****0 发帖数: 1500 | 36 印象中珍珠哥的image是浪得不行了,虽然哥不知道这里珍珠哥是btn还是utg,估计是
utg
从pot odds来看,turn上是个break even call。如果这牌在flop上就打算commit的话
,re-shove还会争取到一些fold equity
另外,在没位置的时候,flop bet/snap call + turn quick check是个huge tell,
珍珠哥也是老江湖了,不管这里是想要传达strong msg还是trap,或者是为后面bluff
做铺垫,哥还是觉得是无偿的给出信息,长此以往对赢钱还是没好处的,应该象mm老湿
建议的那样,尽量销掉自己的tell。just my2c |
|
d*****0 发帖数: 1500 | 37 ahead or behind, both possible, the tell is not reliable unless u guys had a
lot of history.
without special read, LP's raise/fold doesn't make any sense to me. |
|
f*****g 发帖数: 15860 | 38 with position, against a LAG with relatively short stack, i don't see why LP
makes such a move and such a size, if he has to tank, trash talk and then
fold a decent hand.
LP
I |
|
s*****s 发帖数: 1130 | 39 If I am LP, I got trapped. :-)
fold
,
again
, |
|
w***w 发帖数: 6301 | 40 LP need to call 195 to win a 750 pot, should he call?
If it is a bluff, it is a bad move,and a fold is even worse. |
|
d*****0 发帖数: 1500 | 41
用哥的神器HOLDEMODDSEXPRESS算了一下,face up,odds 1to4,而pot odds是1to3不
到一点点,所以应该是个fold。
但是不face up,稍微加进其他牌,odds猛降到接近1比1。 |
|
W********m 发帖数: 7793 | 42 看结果fold 对了。 其实是害了他。可能一辈子都这样玩牌了。 悲剧。
LP
I
★ 发自iPhone App: ChineseWeb 7.8 |
|
s*****s 发帖数: 1130 | 43 200NL 6max
BTN: ~$250 a good aggressive player who steals and cbets often. He knows I
can bluff him in many ways and he doesn't fold easily.
BB: Hero 6h3h ~$250, I often 3bet BTN preflop or check raise BTN cbet on
flop
Preflop
BTN open to $6
Hero call
Flop: 6d4h2d
Hero check
BTN cbet $9.75
Hero raise to $21.5
BTN reraise to $54
Hero call
Turn: 8s
Hero check
BTN bet $76
Hero call
River: Jc
Hero check,
BTN all in
Hero call
Guess what BTN has? |
|
w***w 发帖数: 6301 | 44 我来总结两位的思路。
1.如果判断对方是中等牌力(中对,Ax),4bet/shove比较好。
原因:对方fold equity加自己不错的equity。out of position。
2.如果判断对方是两头极端牌(强对或bluff),call比较好。
原因:可以从bluff得到更大value,碰上强对也不太吃亏。
lz判断对方是两头极端牌,因为对方在flop不愿意call。
我觉得对方在turn的bet太弱。如果我拿强对,我会在turn shove,因为borad上太湿,
我不愿意对方从draw上得到好处。如果我是bluff,我就不会在意这一点。
对方的turn bet size,好像故意留些子弹到river继续bluff。
所以lz从这里继续call下去就更合理。 |
|
W********m 发帖数: 7793 | 45 分析对手的牌差不多是这样。
再看看S 神 的perceived range, 如果对手thinking level 也比较高。也会用同样的
方法分析S 神的牌。 加上强draw 和 bluff 牌,那么6 3, 就变成你所有range 里反而
是属于比较强的牌了, 完全可以commit on the flop. 对S 神的形象,对手是很难
fold 他的pair + draw 牌的。 一个小细节6 4 2dd, 4 是非diamond. 这也是对我们有
利的一点。
还有一点,这些强draw 尽管flop behind, 但对6 3 有很多equity. 加上对手in
position, 我觉得,长期,我们如果flop call 后会在later street 更容易犯错。所
以这里还是flop push for thin value 比较理想。
i would just make it 99$ flop, hope he would spazz out all of his pure
bluffs/strong draws, and jam most blank turn if he ... 阅读全帖 |
|
W********m 发帖数: 7793 | 46 Call because of pot odds and dead money and you are still in bad shape on
the turn. The real question is how you put in so much dead money with 73o
before turn. you should not get here at all. Fold to straddle.
★ 发自iPhone App: ChineseWeb 8.6 |
|
p****0 发帖数: 611 | 47 Hero had stack 300ish, Villain is solid and capable player. He had hero
covered. Only got 3 players left on this table. Last hand before table
combine.
Hero hold AA at BB raised to 12. Villain,at BTN called and ask if want to
check down to the river or not. Hero said nothing.
Flop Ks6c5s. Hero had two Aces, cbet 15. Villain snap all in.
Hero tank. Villain showed 7s4s. Hero? Time to fold AA? |
|
|
p******a 发帖数: 975 | 49 yeah,that's very silly to show.
88 with a spade is a snap call, Kx with a spade is a snap call. and 99-QQ
with or without spade will probably call. All those hands would fold
otherwise. |
|
p****0 发帖数: 611 | 50 No. Not quite often.
It was the last hand and he asked me to check down the river. I refused. He
flopped dreaming pot. He didn't put me on flush draw for sure. But why he
showed cards, no idea.
As played, I folded my AA and showed hand to him. Dealer run out two cards
and villain miss his draw.
★ 发自iPhone App: ChineseWeb 7.8 |
|