j**4 发帖数: 10425 | 1 those fucking bitches on the fashion board
first gossip, bad
secondly gossips about who has aids, even worse
thirdly gossips about who has aids mostly without a shred of
sympathy, even worse
fourthly, to say things like these is just downright cunt!
and the ironic thing is that these fucking bitches are still thought
of as 淑女。。。 and ppl think i am the one who's got a foul mouth! on
the contrary, it's those bitches that's got a foul mouth and a foul
heart. so fucking disgusted by these fucking bi... 阅读全帖 |
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i*****s 发帖数: 15215 | 2 Canada’s Severed-Feet Mystery
Sep 4, 2011 10:00 AM EDT
Since 2007, 11 human feet have washed up on the shore near British Columbia
—and no one knows why. Winston Ross on the spooky case that has authorities
grimacing.
Just before suppertime on Tuesday, someone spotted a human foot, attached to
a leg and encased in a running shoe, bobbing in False Creek, which divides
downtown Vancouver from the rest of the city.
As the creek is made up of the four different waterways that encircle this
British C... 阅读全帖 |
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b********n 发帖数: 4256 | 3
grinder,不仅要会看好球坏球,还要能故意的把球foul ball, 有时候连续foul七八个
球,严重扰乱对方投手心态和体力。
去年WS,爱拉打里脊之前,带梦foul了七八个球walk,接着TEXsingle,爱拉double...
yankees win, theeeeeeeee yankees win!!! |
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c*****r 发帖数: 2426 | 4 今天去打球又整了一肚子气。接拨么,所以大家打得还算认真,每球必争,这是好事儿。
但是有些个家伙,论篮球水平很好,但是那种趾高气扬“俺水平高就更有发言权”的味道
特别让人受不了。
其中一个,就叫他小日本吧,看来是日本后裔,九月份刚刚开始跟我们一起打,身体素质
和技术都不错。我传球给前锋,小日本扑上来抢断,我看得清清楚楚是我们前锋首先触球
,这小日本速度快,几乎同时也把球抱住了,两个人用力方向不同发生了身体接触倒地,
这小日本就大叫“FOUL”,振振有词说他先拿到的球!不过哎,这种情况按照惯例是谁先
CLAIM FOUL谁GET FOUL,我们争了两句也就算了。随后一次,还是我们这个前锋,鱼跃倒
地去救一个自由球,当时他的双脚确实在空中这个没有争议,但是我们前锋根本就没有拿
球而是直接把球双手给垫了回来(跟排球那个垫球似的),这小日本就大叫走步,我们不
同意,他还反复的说“你们知不知道规则?你们知不知道规则?”把我们这前锋给气走了
。具体到这个球,纯技术角度我一时间还真的不敢100%的说这个肯定没走步(感觉上是没
有,因为当时他的身体在地面上没有明显的滑动,并且绝对没有构成持球),但是没有 |
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k***n 发帖数: 849 | 5 well you need play time to improve offense,too. the thing about D is you must
feel how the game is officiated. you gotta defend WITHOUT FOULING. and that
takes a lot of play time to get experienced. nachbar easily fouls, which makes
him a poor defender.
the spurs, on the other hand, are good defenders. Call them dirty if you want.
but most of their defense is borderline fouls which are not called...
是
差
现 |
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C*******U 发帖数: 475 | 6 我这里有一打球的, 上篮第一步就喊foul 上篮没进去必喊foul 带球丢球 必喊foul
打长了, 大家都烦了, 基本上他一开始带球, 我们就放 |
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w*****d 发帖数: 2415 | 7 正常人类都能看出来Bogut早就把位置站好了,这都不是Kobe Charging, offensive foul,那篮球规则可以修改了。不过湖饭占到裁判的便宜偷乐就行了,干嘛还非要出来证明裁判的误判是“正确”的呢?
这是一个youtube上面的评论:
Bogut's feet dont have to be stationary. Look up the rules of basketball. A player must establish legal guarding position in the path of the offensive player before the contact is made. Says nothing about feet moving. Flop or not, Bogut CLEARLY does this. This is a charging foul plain and simple. And if it isnt an offensive foul, then it is a no-call which results |
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K*4 发帖数: 1808 | 8 你这个youtube上面的评论很不靠谱.首先你得理解什么叫"establish legal guarding
position". 你的脚在动,能叫做"establish legal guarding position"?
foul,那篮球规则可以修改了。不过湖饭占到裁判的便宜偷乐就行了,干嘛还非要出来
证明裁判的误判是“正确”的呢?
A player must establish legal guarding position in the path of the offensive
player before the contact is made. Says nothing about feet moving.
Flop or not, Bogut CLEARLY does this. This is a charging foul plain and
simple. And if it isnt an offensive foul, then it is a no-call which results
in a travelling violation on |
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g*m 发帖数: 4659 | 9 just because lbj is so strong, a lot of fouls on him are not called,
like what they did to Yao Ming or other big men. Most of the fouls are
hard fouls on him.
It's kobe that's got cheap calls all the time. He sells it better than
lbj. Plus he is not as strong, the same hit on him looks much bigger
than on lbj.
u dont like physical game, yet complain too many calls?
in real playoff physical games, you see less calls.
WR |
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g*****g 发帖数: 34805 | 10 http://www.emptythebench.com/2010/01/26/lebron-james-fouls/
Using a chi-square test (it’s a pain in the ass to explain, so Google away
if you’re so inclined) with LeBron’s foul data and the league’s foul data
, one derives a chi-square value of 35.9, which translates into a P-value of
0.00000. The P-value is what’s of most use to us here because it tells us
how likely something is to happen due simply to chance (e.g. 0.4 means it
has a 40% chance of happening). This all means that the likelihood |
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s**c 发帖数: 34339 | 11 Hard foul和肘击是同一类动作么?联盟为什么要对肘击追加禁赛,而不是对Hard Foul
?
再说我凯对火花都用了什么Hard foul? 抱腰,打手,这些动作能和肘击划为一类?
能和火花对PP,对Perkins的上篮从空中直接劈头盖脸打下来划为一类?
你见过我凯在这个系列里对魔术哪位球员用过这种动作? |
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l*****4 发帖数: 25 | 12 You have the point!!!
KG's elbow cost him a game in the playoff. To be fare, Howard should serve 2
games suspension if you are comparing these too incidents together.
For anyone still don't have a clue, foul is a foul, flagrant is a flgrant.
Foul is the regular strategy of the game and flagrant is not! |
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s*******u 发帖数: 1855 | 13 两边体毛foul都不少
屁股决定脑袋
湖黑见到kobe体毛哨,见到ray的foul trouble;湖帆见到pp的体毛哨,见到lamar的foul
trouble
当然我湖没有让人>28ft,甚至没有>19ft,待遇很不错,主场哨的很:) |
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s*******u 发帖数: 1855 | 14 如果只有body contact就是foul,那比赛别打了.一场罚200个球吧.如果body contact就
是foul,ray每个防守kobe都是foul
rondo那个明显是假摔.kobe收得很厉害,完全没有push的动作.rondo自己站不稳顺势表
演一把.
ray那个更是扯淡.
这两个不是黑哨,天下就没有黑哨了. |
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s*******u 发帖数: 1855 | 15 just missed a "if in super fantastic" layup.
when he was young, he rarely missed layups, even fouled, even fouled but no
whistle.
now he is almost doomed to miss once fouled, and often misses layup w/
contact not called (legitimate most of
the time).
is it because of his finger? Or it is because he cannot hang in air as long
as before? i guess the latter. |
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p*********e 发帖数: 32207 | 16 FYI:
"
"He was surprised they didn't call a foul," Bryant said. "He came out and
said, 'I fouled the s--- out of you!'"
"
"He" refers to Dwayne Wade.
如果这个报道不是编造的,
那么fouled the shit out of me是引用dwade的原话.
什么叫"上升到肌肉记忆的高度"?
我只是从纯技术的角度提出一种可能性,怎么就上升了?
总比你那么自信满满说kobe一定如何靠谱吧?
至于去年的热跟今年的热有什么不同,看不看比赛都能理解. |
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t********n 发帖数: 705 | 17 if pacer has gut, don't put FOUL into their game plan! It is obvious they
try to give hard foul to rose and hope he afraid to get hurt and stop
attacking basket. A foul game plan resulting more free throw, pacer deserve
it. |
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o*****n 发帖数: 378 | 18 应该按照发生先后罚球
如果不是shooting foul 只是comment foul,又没有到罚球的bonus,球应该交给北京
队throw in。。。 但是这个时候北京对被T了,接下来就是2罚一掷,所以北京是要丢
掉球权的。
(如果是shouting foul,那顺序就是,北京罚2个,然后浙江罚2个,然后浙江发球...
.)
这场裁判比较傻鸟,还好table的人明白一点。。。。。。
BTW,和几个NCAA的裁判聊过几次,所有人都认为,NBA的裁判是比较扯的,就判罚上来
说比较随心所欲(比较而言),为了掌握比赛的节奏。 其实owner 和裁判都明白,这
归根到底还是个娱乐。 |
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g*****g 发帖数: 34805 | 19 Kobe's OK, he can play with broken hands, he just found
an excuse to skip media session I think.
Wade's douchy with these comments though.
After the game...
On Kobe passing MJ
Quote:
"With KD in the league, I don't know how long its going to last."
On his hard foul
Quote:
"Obviously i didn't try to draw no blood, but I took a foul. Kobe had fouled
me twice in a row right before that" |
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o**********r 发帖数: 1585 | 20 这一切就好像有人看职业拳击比赛,一边掏了对方的下体,就说没事,我们那村里打架的这
不算啥,都直接带板砖盖人家后脑的……
可是这是职业比赛,有规则的,不是街头斗牛……职业拳击比赛是要击倒对方,可不是要人
命的,
hard foul有这样的?有这样的,你就说有没有被call flagrant 吧。一般都直接用身
体压上去就可以了,全包住。打头往后拽,还是在空中,这算个屁啊……
that's a hard foul and also a flagrant foul......but not called. that's it. |
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e*******e 发帖数: 9616 | 21 也不能underestimate这些常年系统训练的职业运动员的隐蔽的hard foul,他们hard
foul而不被现有的nba /司法 system逮住的可能还是不小的。
这些nba/nfl的运动员都是extremely gifted的atheletics, 他们想避免/commit hard
foul还是比较容易的。 |
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l*****c 发帖数: 316 | 22 刚才在别的帖子里面回了,觉得还是再开一贴,把我写的贴出来
I watched the game NYK vs DAL yesterday. I was astonished that Jason Kidd
made a flagrant foul that should be suspend at least 2 games and fined 10,
000$ according to regulation. I used to respect Kidd a lot, but now I choose
to walk away from him. His play was so dirty last night.
Look at this video:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oeKrkx62TFc
He first hammered onto Lin's head when Lin tried to do a lay-up, and then he
grabbed his hair and pulled him down onto the gr... 阅读全帖 |
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T***c 发帖数: 17256 | 23 Lin fights against discrimination since highschool, but he fights on cout,
like a man, like a real basketball player, like all the greats such as MJ,
or even Ali.
he speaks his mind, but NEVER bitching!
why Lin took the hit and stand right up? because he knows the game, he knows
the rule, he knows what kind of MAN got respect in basketball world!
that foul is a F, is a dirty play, is a hard foul, no doubt. but it has
nothing to do with race! Kidd hugged and encouraged Lin after being killed
by L... 阅读全帖 |
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m*****a 发帖数: 266 | 24 某纽约球迷对现况的深入分析,貌似不管怎么样,melo is screwed and lin will be loved.
--------------------ZT-----------------------------
I think folks are not factoring in David Stern here.
Jeremy Lin is appealing and marketable to an entire segment of potential
fans that do not normally follow basketball. The President is talking about
Jeremy Lin. The women on The View are talking about Jeremy Lin. People in
college who don't follow the pro game are following Jeremy Lin. Having a
young black wannabe rapper thug life s... 阅读全帖 |
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f*********e 发帖数: 1344 | 25 Wiki:
In a 2007 game against the Dallas Mavericks, San Antonio's Tim Duncan was
charged a technical foul by referee Joe Crawford for laughing at him while
sitting on the bench (supposedly "gesturing in such a manner as to indicate
resentment," as indicated above). As he had already picked up a technical
foul on the previous play, also while sitting on the bench, this led to his
ejection. Upon further review it was determined that this technical foul was
inconsistent with the league's game manage... 阅读全帖 |
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n****e 发帖数: 4990 | 26 you hate clippers before you watch the game, no matter what they do in the
series.
If you think the referees were bad, you didn't watch the 2nd and 3rd game.
mems had tons of moving screens, a lot of steals were fouls. and even in
this game, B.Griffin was fouled out in OT. It would be funny to say they got
too much help from referees if the top scores were fouled out in critical
time, wouldn't it?
Fans are biased. it is okay you don't like the results. |
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a*******d 发帖数: 3041 | 27 No. 1: Michael Jordan
Michael Jordan is widely regarded as the best player in NBA history, and his
competitiveness was rivaled by none during his time in the league.
So given that his competitive urges led him to engage in some epic trash-
talking battles, and his skills and talent allowed him to more than back up
his talk, while rising up to answer the jawing of others, Jordan easily
takes home the title as the league's all-time best trash talker.
No. 2: Kevin Garnett
Kevin Garnett is well-know... 阅读全帖 |
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m*****g 发帖数: 12253 | 28 ☆─────────────────────────────────────☆
Bernanke (Ben) 于 (Wed Mar 7 00:24:16 2012, 美东) 提到:
目的很明确,就是要杀你的气焰,放倒你两次看你以后还敢不敢再这么突。
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easterlilium (xixi) 于 (Wed Mar 7 00:26:04 2012, 美东) 提到:
kao
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TaiYouCai (有才) 于 (Wed Mar 7 00:26:20 2012, 美东) 提到:
没用的
拜纳姆去年搞了JJ,JJ就不突了?
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Bernanke (Ben) 于 (Wed Mar 7 00:27:30 2012, 美东) 提到:
你继续突最后打爆你的对手你就是superstar了,当年Tony Parker就是这么过来的... 阅读全帖 |
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m*****g 发帖数: 12253 | 29 ☆─────────────────────────────────────☆
huaqizhiqing (Huaqizhiqing) 于 (Thu Apr 5 04:03:06 2012, 美东) 提到:
NBA喜欢造声势。
我不是很清楚篮球规则。觉得两次都犯规了。
第一次:不是over the back吗?
第二次:不是进攻犯规吗?看那肘子。
给力芬是有运动能力。但有点狂。要吃亏的。
第二扣,在扣进之后,还恶意把家嫂往地下推。
如果把家嫂换成典韦,给力芬要做担架下场了。
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monksgs (monk) 于 (Thu Apr 5 05:29:29 2012, 美东) 提到:
第一个家嫂没跳起来,我觉得是好球。
第二个给力芬手肘动作很明显,严格意义上是犯规的,但nba这种show 观众喜欢看啥大
家都知道。
所以俩都是好球了,呵呵。
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doushirourou (肉肉,都是肉肉) 于 (Thu Apr... 阅读全帖 |
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h**********g 发帖数: 3962 | 30 难道张大帅的100分是湖人和绿人决赛的第七场???
有些人就是不愿意面对事实。
NBA's Greatest Moments
Wilt Scores 100!
The number matches the man.
Buy the entire fourth quarter radio call on Google.
On March 2, 1962, Wilt Chamberlain set the NBA single-game scoring record by
tallying 100 points for the Philadelphia Warriors in a 169-147 victory over
the New York Knicks.
Not 98 points, not 102, but a nice, round 100 -- an imposing record set by a
most imposing player.
Chamberlain was a gargantuan force in the NBA, a player of Bunyane... 阅读全帖 |
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d********3 发帖数: 7220 | 31 来自主题: Basketball版 - 懂的给说说 兄弟,那个不是fourteenth foul,是forth team foul,每节14个foul那别看了哈哈 |
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p********e 发帖数: 361 | 32 这场对热火最给力的还是裁判吧,第一节形势不明朗时极力表现,
力保热火不主场两连败。
对那个裁判给anderson和gibson double foul争球的判罚,TNT的解说
实在忍不住了,说那是啥double foul啊,明明是anderson一个人two fouls。 |
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l********7 发帖数: 2648 | 33 Clear Path to the Basket: If a fast break starts in a team’s backcourt and
a defender fouls any offensive player when the team is going to score an
easy basket, a clear path foul has occurred. When the foul happens, no
defender can be ahead of the ball where he could defend against the easy
basket. |
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c*******e 发帖数: 5818 | 34 后来,好像有个退休的裁判讲了,是因为是foul + flagrant, shot foul on ball
active,so, 2 FT,flagrant on dead ball,should be another 2 FT and ball,
however,the maxium shot foul allowed is 3FT, thus,wanson,可以shot 4
times,but the most he can get is 3pts。wason进了3个,就不用第四个了。安规则
,完全没问题,只是非常少见。 |
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o**4 发帖数: 35028 | 35 【美国JRS之声】张伯伦单场100分,前无古人,后世可有来者? 218回复/16亮 83241
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Just how unbreakable is Wilt's 100-point game?
My friend and I were discussing unbreakable records in sports, and while we
agree that Wilt's is one of those records, I wonder just what needs to
happen in today's NBA for it to occur. Sure, Kobe got 81, but end of the day
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e*g 发帖数: 4981 | 36 是这个吧
10:57 Jackson Foul: Personal (3 PF)
Mills Foul: Offensive (2 PF) 10:45
Mills Turnover : Foul (1 TO) 10:45 |
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h******b 发帖数: 6055 | 37 再贴个第一湖粉的评价。
Lin---- I kind of think this is what should be an average
game for Lin. The Lakers let Lin play more of his game when he came in after
5 minutes in the first (either that or he just did it) and it looked
perfectly fluid with Kobe out there. We ran a lot more mix of high screens
for him to attack off, and he also pushed the pace at times. He was calling
plays, making sure he found Nick when he was hot. It just doesn’t seem that
hard to make this work. He needs to step up like this and... 阅读全帖 |
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w********e 发帖数: 385 | 38 北京球迷的特点就是裁判偏向辽宁了,问他哪个球举个例子,就含糊其辞就是偏了,截
个图给大家看看,我都不想说,尼玛篮球出腿拌人是你们北京干的事不?连个
technical都没有。贺天举hard foul马布里就technical了,wtf? 我要是贺天举我也
hard foul,马布里确实球打的好,但是上篮踹人也是他,谁敢保证他不踹人? hard
foul一点问题也没有,鸡毛technical |
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w******e 发帖数: 576 | 39 DALLAS (AP) — Rajon Rondo has played his last game for the Dallas Mavericks
, and Chandler Parsons is out for the rest of the playoffs with a right knee
injury that will require surgery.
After saying Rondo was out indefinitely with a back injury sustained before
he was benched in a Game 2 loss to Houston, coach Rick Carlisle acknowledged
Wednesday that Rondo will not play another game for Dallas.
The four-time All-Star sat all but 34 seconds after halftime Tuesday night
in a 111-99 loss that gav... 阅读全帖 |
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C****c 发帖数: 1964 | 40 You fuck off, bitch! James fouled several times and no calls. Butler didn't
foul him but got fouls. Are you fucking blind to see those? |
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G****y 发帖数: 3537 | 41 这个球肯定是个HARD FOUL,DIRTY FOUL先, 属于打不到球但也要把你人打下去那种。
觉得这样的犯规应该判严一点,因为很可能会意外伤人,所以不能太放纵这样的犯规。
另外,这个HARD FOUL是打到对方的脸部了,所以应该是可以升级为F1了。
这样的犯规放在小个身上,真是可能被一下打摔到地上了。 |
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w********o 发帖数: 1621 | 43 More accurately it's the Rockets that has 3 more on their rosters.
http://official.nba.com/wp-content/uploads/sites/4/2016/04/L2M-
Without the referees, Rockets would have 0 point in their last 2 minutes (2
from a loose ball foul by Green, which wouldn't matter if the referee called
the foul on Harden against Livingston's shot first; 2 from no call of
Harden offensive foul on Iguodala). |
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s****o 发帖数: 268 | 44 I watched the video. I believe Shaq and Steven A Smith both agree with Chuck
, and Kenny is neutral.
Shaq, Steven and Ernie all suggested Chuck use more "politically correct"
wording, such as "touch them up", "take him down really hard", "hard foul",
etc. But they all mean the same thing: foul them hard without injuring them,
and one hard foul must be enough to send the message. This is exactly what
Chuck meant.
Curry's 400 3's and Kobe's 81 points are different stories. Curry and Kobe
did it i... 阅读全帖 |
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o*o 发帖数: 5155 | 45 误判有两次:
Q4 00:54.7 Foul: Shooting Danny Green Kevin Durant IC
Adams (OKC) extends his leg into Green's (SAS) path, causing him to trip and
fall into Durant (OKC).
Q4 00:08.7 Foul: Personal Kawhi Leonard Russell Westbrook INC
Leonard (SAS) commits a take foul on Westbrook (OKC) |
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l********7 发帖数: 2648 | 46 OAKLAND — Five things we learned from the Cleveland Cavaliers' 112-97 Game
5 victory over the Golden State Warriors in the 2016 NBA Finals Monday night
at Oracle Arena, as the series shifts back to Cleveland:
1. Kyrie Irving is a future Most Valuable Player.
Already in this postseason, Irving had flashed his extraordinary offensive
talents -- and sometimes even in a good way, rather than dominating the ball
at his dribble-dribble-dribble isolation worst. But the Cavaliers point
guard's performan... 阅读全帖 |
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B*****R 发帖数: 1539 | 47 FALSE START好象是自己先动,引诱对方OFFSIDE。
另外就是PERSONAL FOUL和UNNECESSARY ROUGHNESS,通常都是双方争斗动作过大,在球
成死球后仍然动作过猛等等。
为了保护QB还有几种FOUL,我不记得具体了。
反正美足的FOUL很多,有时候看电视在第一时间根本看不见,FLAG太多的比赛确实不好看 |
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l*****8 发帖数: 16949 | 48 NO, illegal block in the back是指腰部以上,不是Personal foul.判罚是10吗,不是15码。如果是腰部以下,不管从哪个方向block, 就是Blocking below the waist,15码。
但你说的第二点是对的。Block in the back 即使away from the ball也应该吹(这球
还不是away from the ball).我常听到解说说某个illegal block in the back不影响
比赛,但a foul is a foul. That is a good call之类。从来没有说远离球就不吹得
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B*****e 发帖数: 9375 | 49 Good question.
我像其他人一样,
也从没见过这种犯规。
In fact, 我从来都没见过踢飞狗的时候,
防守队员踩着队友身体的起跳,
或者助跑几步的起跳.
助跑是很自然的动作, 但从来没有人做过,
那肯定是他们都知道有两码为限的规定.
如果真的在最后关头发生了,
球赛不能以守方的犯规结束,
所以肯定是处罚以后, 再给持球方一次或攻或踢的机会.
那么这个处罚会是什么呢? 真的不知道:
** illegal touch? -- No. 那是限制持球方的;
** 直接把三分给攻方? -- No. 攻方的分都必须自己挣, 没有白送;
** illegal procedure, 5 yds? -- No. 这都是开球以前的犯规;
** illegal use of hand, 5 yds? -- Maybe, 但是正常的IUOH都是没有球的情况下,
所以才罚比较轻的5码.
** inteference, spot foul? -- No, interference 对人不对球, 而且不可能给spot
foul;
** personal foul, 15 yds? -- No.... 阅读全帖 |
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B*****e 发帖数: 9375 | 50 Good question.
我像其他人一样,
也从没见过这种犯规。
In fact, 我从来都没见过踢飞狗的时候,
防守队员踩着队友身体的起跳,
或者助跑几步的起跳.
助跑是很自然的动作, 但从来没有人做过,
那肯定是他们都知道有两码为限的规定.
如果真的在最后关头发生了,
球赛不能以守方的犯规结束,
所以肯定是处罚以后, 再给持球方一次或攻或踢的机会.
那么这个处罚会是什么呢? 真的不知道:
** illegal touch? -- No. 那是限制持球方的;
** 直接把三分给攻方? -- No. 攻方的分都必须自己挣, 没有白送;
** illegal procedure, 5 yds? -- No. 这都是开球以前的犯规;
** illegal use of hand, 5 yds? -- Maybe, 但是正常的IUOH都是没有球的情况下,
所以才罚比较轻的5码.
** inteference, spot foul? -- No, interference 对人不对球, 而且不可能给spot
foul;
** personal foul, 15 yds? -- No.... 阅读全帖 |
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