B*N
发帖数: 455 | 1 看了录像，在警察松手之后，黑胖子仍然在反抗，这时候警察只是继续用双手压黑胖子
的头，没有再锁喉，黑胖子活该，警察完全正当使用武力。 |
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V**3
发帖数: 12756 | 2 这个案子有整个视频，我认为清楚无误的表明警察使用了毫无必要的过度的暴力，尤其
是使用了极端危险的动作，直接导致了黑胖的死亡
这个属于典型的过度暴力导致误杀
我认为大陪审团的决定是错误的，当然可能有我所不知道的证据等等支持大陪审团的决定 |
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发帖数: 2980 | 3 这个黑胖各种疾病缠身，刚好那时死了，警察运气不好。 |
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x****k
发帖数: 2932 | 4 同为右派，我也认为这个事警察负部分责任（和mike brown案不同），老黑的身体状况
不应该是理由，警察执勤工作中应该考虑到这些可能因素，就跟考虑到对方可能带刀带
枪一样。
决定 |
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V**3
发帖数: 12756 | 5 我认为警察执法中滥用 “resisting arrest" 作为借口使用了过度暴力
对于非暴力不合作的人士，使用极端暴力是显然不恰当的
如果对于暴力反抗的，使用暴力对待大家无可厚非，可是本案，以及很多案子中所谓拒
捕仅仅是被捕者不合作，甚至仅仅是口头抗议而已
这是美国警察执法腐败的一个典型例子 |
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发帖数: 10729 | 6 算不算"resisting arrest"，也许是一个争论点。
警方滥用逮捕的问题也有。但是本视频听不太清楚，不知道是否如此。
我们假设实施逮捕是正当的。
警察在宣告实施逮捕后，嫌犯应该配合。
手给出或者不动，由警察给戴上手铐。
因为在以后的司法程序中，嫌犯还有获得清白的机会。
本案中，嫌犯不让抓手（我个人理解即拒绝逮捕）
而警察对拒捕的多少年的招数都是要达到一群警察把嫌犯压住的效果。
如果只是拉扯嫌犯的手臂，从视频上看，很明显这招对高大的嫌犯是无效的。
所以我觉得不好说过度使用暴力。 |
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l****z
发帖数: 29846 | 7 尼玛这个家伙在中国估计属于被枪毙的主了吧.
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n****g
发帖数: 14743 | 8 赞同．
都打起来了，还来一句我口渴我呼吸不畅，这样就解脱了，以为是过家家呢
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j*****v
发帖数: 7717 | 9 同感，這個很可能屬于警察暴力，雖然死者被診斷為死于心臟病。
另外，那個拍錄像的被警察搜身說他違法攜帶槍支，這不得不讓人懷疑警方有沒有栽贓
搞迫害。那么多人不搜，怎么偏偏搜拍錄像的身。
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P*****g
发帖数: 457 | 10 你們不用同情警察，警察司法都是官護官，所以很多時候做錯事也沒有什麼。
老中看到黑人受害，就很高興。告訴你們，警察殺華人也不手軟的。 |
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x****k
发帖数: 2932 | 11 老黑的确初始时有不服从的动作，但他在说I can't breath时已经被按倒在地上，被制
服了。这个时候即时需要锁住老黑的脖子，也没理由将力量大到对方无法呼吸。（这时
大力控制对方四肢倒是合理的）
稍微扩展一下，
1.你觉得这个视频里那个被taser的人算不算resisting arrest？
2. 如果算，你觉得警方那时taser这哥们是否合理？（合不合法由法庭判断，我就不扯
了）
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=L40N-zOV0mM
5:40开始。
即时被捕者有不服从的行为，我并不认为警方在拘捕的“整个过程中”有合理理由去使
用“任意”程度的强制手段，尤其是当对方已经被制服的情况下。
警方有足够的discretion去决定执法过程中暴力手段程度，这种discretion一方面提高
的打击犯罪的效率，同时也会提供了abuse的可能空间（和枪支类似）。我的观点是在
保证前者的前提下，尽可能减少后者的机会。 |
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x****k
发帖数: 2932 | 12 警察在进行逮捕前应该不知道这30次逮捕记录吧？还是说他们已经是熟人了？
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g*****e
发帖数: 1301 | 13 他们好像是蛮熟的...他当时就是抗议警察harrass him everyday. |
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T*********I
发帖数: 10729 | 14 我希望你能够设身处地地想一想。当时的行动，强行逮捕，总共就十几秒，行动者基本
没有太多时间思考，也没时间反复观看youtube来审视并设计出一个嫌犯和警方都互相
配合的武打动作以最为合理地方式给嫌犯戴上手铐。
没打过架的，还没搬过家么？搬家的时候尤其好几个人搬的大件。搬的时候脑子基本想
的非常浅显，而且局部。基本都是肌肉在接受简单的指令。如果旁人录下youtube，相
信能找到不少could have, should have.
我觉得“在保证前者的前提下，尽可能减少后者的机会”这是人人都支持的，包括执法
者。从本楼的视频中，我是没有看到很明显的abuse。
最好的办法还是应该广告这个基本的规则：
1. 听从警察的指令。
2. 权力受到侵犯的情况下，寻求投诉和司法。 |
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x****k
发帖数: 2932 | 15 难得在mitbbs上有正经的讨论，就再写点。
看youtube的感受和在现场那十几秒的感受当然不一样。单纯从警察的行为来看，不算
过分。但这个case中，老黑已经反复声称I can't breath.（有人提到是11次，我没看
完整原始录像，所以还不确定次数）。作为一个正常人，应该至少放松在脖子上的力量。
警察的目的应该是制服老黑，而不是直接实施惩罚和或者报复（假设他们很熟）。在确
保自身安全的前提下避免使用不必要的暴力手段。
我相信NYC的警察上街执勤前肯定接受过相关的规则训练，在什么情况下可以采取什么
样的手段和措施。如果这种规则能细化，并具有很强的可操作性，并作为公开信息，则
可以大大减少权力被abuse的空间。就像医生做诊断和手术一样，大部分操作是教科书
式的。（不怕潜规则，就怕没规则）。
现实考虑，完全同意你说的那两条。
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1. 听从警察的指令。
2. 权力受到侵犯的情况下，寻求投诉和司法。
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但我认为更应该加上这几句话
Excuse... 阅读全帖 |
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发帖数: 10729 | 17 执行精神我想警察行业里面的文档已经非常细化。
和医学这种科学不同，警察要处理的各种事情种类很多。我想很多职业也都不可能是科
学。一招一式都写得那么清楚。比如老树盘根只能用仙鹤问路来回档这种。
警察局就算年复一年地强调各种规章制度，最终还是有可能有的警察漠视。就比如我提
出的一个例子。都已经铐上了，还taser那个嫌犯：
举一个滥用武力的例子：Nicole Murphy警官
http://www.mitbbs.com/article_t/USANews/31582155.html
你提出的youtube没有清晰地看到什么时候电击了。是否6：30？我感觉不妥。有报复的
嫌疑。但我同时也想知道一下警察在办案的时候大叫大嚷是否算是obstruction of
justice。
平心而论，如果你在工作的时候（就假设你在实验室），同事在你旁边不管你需不需要
focus，大声说话，行使他的1A的权利。你是否觉得是对你工作的妨碍。如果你告诉他
，please be quiet. I need to concentrate to do my job。而他还不理，你有什么
办法？不是officer的你当... 阅读全帖 |
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a****a
发帖数: 3905 | 18 老黑能出声的时候已经没chokehold了吧。
量。 |
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T*********I
发帖数: 10729 | 19 有一条关于大叫大嚷的：
Disturbing an assembly: Interrupting a city council meeting, a public rally,
or religious ceremony can be enough to qualify as disorderly conduct. |
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t*c
发帖数: 8291 | 20 混乱场面里，脑子也是乱的，注意力集中在如何制服控制这个人上面，
说了什么很可能听不见的。
我相信警察不是故意要掐死他的。但是需要负多少责任，我不知道。
量。 |
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n**1
发帖数: 318 | 21 你不能根据结果来倒推责任的归属。在这个事中，警察没有错；这个死者当时拒捕，负
至少一半的错；另外一半属于意外。 |
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s*y
发帖数: 472 | 22 你仔细看那个视频，他说不能呼吸的时候已经没有锁喉了，只是把他的脑袋按在地上 |
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发帖数: 24893 | 23 Eric Garner被五个武装警察围住，没有武器，没有反抗，被活活掐死。
操你妈的。 |
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发帖数: 10729 | 24 DEVELOPING: Two New York police officers are in critical condition after
they were reportedly shot in the head at point-blank range on Saturday when
a suspect attacked them as they sat in a patrol car.
...
“It’s an execution,” one law enforcement source told The Post.
The gunman just started “pumping bullets” into the patrol car, another
source said.
The suspect then fled to a nearby subway station before he was shot and
killed. It was unclear whether the suspect was shot by police or committed
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b******n
发帖数: 4559 | 25 Say Something
Song by Alex Preston, A Great Big World
Say something, I'm giving up on you
I'll be the one, if you want me to
Anywhere, I would've followed you
Say something, I'm giving up on you
And I am feeling so small
It was over my head
I know nothing at all
And I will stumble and fall
I'm still learning to love
Just starting to crawl
Say something, I'm giving up on you
I'm sorry that I couldn't get to you
Anywhere, I would've followed you
Say something, I'm giving up on you
And I will swall... 阅读全帖 |
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l****z
发帖数: 29846 | 26 December 21, 2014 - 2:35 PM
By The Associated Press, Associated Press
A timeline of events on Saturday in the hours before and moments after two
NYPD officers were shot in their cruiser by Ismaaiyl Brinsley, a 28-year-old
man who vowed online to shoot two "pigs" in retaliation for the police
chokehold death of Eric Garner.
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5:48 a.m. — Baltimore County Police are dispatched to Brinsley's ex-
girlfriend's home in the Baltimore suburb of Owings Mills, Maryland.
Brinsley had shot the 29-year-old... 阅读全帖 |
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l****z
发帖数: 29846 | 27 华盛顿——在联邦调查局(FBI)的调查没有找到能支持指控的证据后，执法部门官员在
周三表示，对于在密苏里州弗格森枪杀了一名未持械少年的警官，司法部(Justice
Department)律师将建议不发起任何民权指控。
司法部是否结束针对达伦·威尔逊(Darren Wilson)警官的案件，最终决定权在司法部
长小埃里克·H·霍尔德(Eric H. Holder Jr.)和他的民权主管瓦妮塔·古普塔(Vanita
Gupta)手上。但通常来说他们不会驳回办案检察官的意见，本案检察官目前还在准备
一份法律备忘录，以解释他们的建议依据。
一旦司法部做出裁决，就意味着针对威尔逊枪杀18岁的迈克尔·布朗(Michael Brown)
一案进行的充满政治意味的调查将告一段落。密苏里当局对布朗之死的调查于十一月结
束，同样也不建议发起指控。
但是针对弗格森警察局(Ferguson Police Department)歧视性交通截查和滥用武力的指
控，司法部仍在进行一项更大范围的民权调查。该调查可能促使警察局做出重大改变，
在这座多数人口为黑人的城市里，警员以白人为主。
代表布朗家人的律师本杰明·L·... 阅读全帖 |
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x****k
发帖数: 2932 | 28 现在终于有一个主流媒体报道了3月8日纽约华人声援梁警官的游行,
恳请大家帮忙
1. 去上面留言
2. 在facebook/tweeter/g+上分享文章和好的留言.
3. 用其他办法提升这篇文章的搜索排名和影响力.
这是真正提升华人在美影响力的机会!
文章链接在这里
http://www.nbcnews.com/news/asian-america/thousands-support-off
文章结尾有分享和评论的按钮
原文重贴
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'Scapegoat': Supporters Rally for Indicted NYPD Officer Liang
By Chris Fuchs
Thousands of Chinese Americans rallied outside New York's City Hall this
weekend to show support for a rookie police officer indicted last month in
the fa... 阅读全帖 |
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s*********e
发帖数: 1814 | 29 就在三个月前，给自己公司（他是大股东，小股东也是他家人）定下了70K最低年薪
然后，最好的员工纷纷离职了，虽然他们的待遇一点都不比原来差，但是他们看到新来
的，unskilled，打酱油的员工收入和他们一样高，觉得不公平而离开
他哥哥起诉他，因为觉得这对作为小股东的他不利。
The Seattle CEO who raised salaries for all of his employees to a minimum of
$70,000 a year, drawing accusations of socialism, now says he has fallen on
hard times.
Dan Price, the 31-year-old CEO of credit-card processing firm Gravity
Payments, told The New York Times that things have gotten so bad for him
financially that he’s been forced to rent out his own ... 阅读全帖 |
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l****z
发帖数: 29846 | 30 Businessman Donald Trump continues to gain ground in the race for the
Republican nomination. What’s more, the number of GOP primary voters
saying they would at least consider backing Trump has more than doubled in
the last two months. Meanwhile, support for Democratic frontrunner former
Secretary of State Hillary Clinton remains high, despite sliding to its
lowest yet.
These are some of the findings from the latest Fox News national poll on the
2016 presidential race.
Trump receives the backi... 阅读全帖 |
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发帖数: 10729 | 31 After delivering an energetic 50 minute speech using no notes or
teleprompter, GOP frontrunner Donald Trump easily won a presidential straw
poll conducted at the annual convention of the National Federation of
Republican Assemblies, garnering 52 percent of the votes cast.
Tea Party favorite Sen. Ted Cruz finished second with 24%, and Dr. Ben
Carson, another political outsider and Tea Party friend, finished behind
Cruz in third. |
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发帖数: 2053 | 32 https://www.yahoo.com/politics/if-biden-runs-he-shouldnt-run-from-his-record
-on-128211958156.html
Sen. Joe Biden with Senate Majority Leader George Mitchell during
negotiations for the 1994 crime bill. (Photo: John Duricka/AP)
There was a time in Democratic politics when nothing mattered more than
being “tough on crime.” Think back to 1992, when Bill Clinton — mindful
of the way Michael Dukakis had been pilloried over prison furloughs and his
opposition to the death penalty four years earlier —... 阅读全帖 |
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l****z
发帖数: 29846 | 33 【 以下文字转载自 Joke 讨论区 】
发信人: daemonself (mit行为艺术专业博士后导师), 信区: Joke
标 题: 变暖窖正式成立宗教审判庭了
发信站: BBS 未名空间站 (Mon Sep 28 22:19:40 2015, 美东)
你们这些人再敢多嘴就等着上火刑架巴
A new low in science: Criminalizing climate change skeptics
Scientists have many important roles to play in preparations for the
upcoming UN Conference on Climate Change in Paris. Some are working hard to
clarify uncertainties in the science, others on developing and evaluating
alternative climate policies.
One group of climate scientists is trying a... 阅读全帖 |
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S*****r
发帖数: 1272 | 34 Retired neurosurgeon Ben Carson has overtaken businessman Donald Trump as
the top pick of Republican primary voters to be the party’s presidential
nominee, a new Wall Street Journal/NBC News poll finds.
The result marks the first time since June that the Journal/NBC News poll
has found a Republican other than Mr. Trump to be leading the GOP field.
Some 29% of GOP primary voters rank Mr. Carson as their top choice, while 23
% favor Mr. Trump.
Florida Sen. Marco Rubio and Texas Sen. Ted Cruz r... 阅读全帖 |
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T*********I
发帖数: 10729 | 35 尤其是第二个问题，TC配还是CT配？
AMHERST, Mass. – Donald Trump and Ben Carson have a dominating lead over
the rest of the field of Republican presidential candidates, and should
either of them drop out of the primary race the other stands to benefit the
most, according to a new UMass Poll released today by the University of
Massachusetts Amherst.
Overall, Trump leads the Republican field with 31 percent of likely
Republican voters listing him as their first choice, based on a nationwide
online survey of 318 l... 阅读全帖 |
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b*********h
发帖数: 1001 | 36 主要就是说人们在调查的时候普遍不敢说真话，必须要装B装政治正确，所以电话调查
很多人嘴上说不支持trump，但是等投票的时候反而投给了trump
文中举过以前类似的例子，这叫Bradley效应。
具体反映在，trump在网络上的支持率要高于电话调查的支持率，对3000 GOP投票者调
查显示网络上支持率能高出6%
In 1982, California voters were supposed to elect former Los Angeles Mayor
Tom Bradley as the state's next governor.
Bradley went into the election with a sizable lead over George Deukmejian.
Exit polls projected a Bradley win. But when the ballots were counted,
Deukmejian came out the winner.
Thus, the "Bradley effect" was born — named as ... 阅读全帖 |
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a**t
发帖数: 3833 | 37 As the verdict was read, Liang dropped his head -- his hands around the back
of his neck -- as one of his attorneys comforted him.
The highly unusual conviction of a police officer for the shooting death of
a civilian means the rookie cop is automatically fired from the force.
Kimberly Ballinger, the partner of the victim, Akai Gurley, 28, dabbed tears
and later pumped her fist in the air.
"He was a son. He was a brother," Brooklyn District Attorney Kenneth
Thompson said after the verdict... 阅读全帖 |
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m****g
发帖数: 2215 | 38 The lead is narrowing.
http://www.cnn.com/2016/02/16/politics/south-carolina-poll-cnn-
In the Republican race, Trump, at 38%, tops Texas Sen. Ted Cruz, who holds
second place with 22%. Behind those two, Florida Sen. Marco Rubio garners
14
% support, former Florida Gov. Jeb Bush is at 10%, retired neurosurgeon Ben
Carson has 6% and Ohio Gov. John Kasich is at 4% |
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m****g
发帖数: 2215 | 39 http://www.cnn.com/2016/02/16/politics/south-carolina-poll-cnn-
In the Republican race, Trump, at 38%, tops Texas Sen. Ted Cruz, who holds
second place with 22%. Behind those two, Florida Sen. Marco Rubio garners 14
% support, former Florida Gov. Jeb Bush is at 10%, retired neurosurgeon Ben
Carson has 6% and Ohio Gov. John Kasich is at 4%. |
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h******n
发帖数: 3599 | 40 http://www.cnn.com/2016/02/16/politics/south-carolina-poll-cnn-
Washington (CNN)Donald Trump holds a broad 16-point lead among those likely
to vote in South Carolina's Republican primary this Saturday, according to a
new CNN/ORC Poll. Meanwhile, Hillary Clinton tops Bernie Sanders by 18
points in the state's Democratic primary, which will be held a week later.
In the Republican race, Trump, at 38%, tops Texas Sen. Ted Cruz, who holds
second place with 22%. Behind those two, Florida Sen. Marco Ru... 阅读全帖 |
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m****g
发帖数: 2215 | 41 http://www.weeklystandard.com/trump-has-won-more-votes-than-rom
Trump Has Won More Votes Than Romney Had At This Point in 2012
Mitt Romney won Nevada's caucus in 2012 with about 50 percent of the vote.
He did so by pulling in roughly 16,000 total votes – roughly the same
number that second-place finisher Marco Rubio pulled in this year. Donald
Trump, by contrast, more than doubled Romney's total, garnering 34,500 votes.
All told, Trump has now won approximately 420,000 votes. After the first
fou... 阅读全帖 |
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c*******o
发帖数: 8869 | 42 鬼扯。怎么所有NYPD类似案子的白警察都无罪？勒死ERIC GARNER的白警察没事，但是
在场的一个黑女警倒获罪了。 |
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c*******o
发帖数: 8869 | 43 大胖子brown是罪有应得，那个被勒死的小贩eric garner比较冤，case by case. 陈果
仁完全无辜，我不得不提他是是为了说明一个为特定群族个体申冤的诉求中，喊all
life matter本身就不知所云。当然black life matter too的提法更妥，但是把自己放
到一个下“too”的地位上显得不理直气壮。如果是我也说chinese life matter!
如果有人以all life matter呛声,我也会反击之 |
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s********t
发帖数: 4150 | 44 I can clearly understand Dr. Carson's frustration.
看看Trump在明晚之前能不能又生出什么主意来skip the debate and garner
attention. |
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发帖数: 4150 | 45 Wishful thinking. Trump stands no chance if he doesn't garner more than 1237
delegates. |
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发帖数: 10469 | 46 DOUBLE-VOTING BY CRUZ SUPPORTERS?
by Sharon Rondeau
(Mar. 6, 2016) — On Sunday evening, former Trump adviser Roger Stone
tweeted that he would be appearing on the Alex Jones Show at 6:00 p.m. ET/5:
00 p.m. CT “to spill the latest on the GOP Rumble,” referencing Mitt
Romney, Donald Trump and Marco Rubio as well as voter fraud in his tweet.
During the segment on Jones’s show, Stone revealed that he has received
more than 200 reports of voter fraud having occurred during the Kansas
Republican prima... 阅读全帖 |
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发帖数: 61690 | 47 Troops favor Donald Trump and Sen. Bernie Sanders (I-Vt.) as the next
commander in chief, according to a new survey by Military Times.
Trump took first place, with 27 percent of troops surveyed in a poll of 931
active-duty troops, reservists and members of the National Guard.
Sanders came in a close second at 22 percent, according to the poll
published Tuesday. Meanwhile, Democratic front-runner Hillary Clinton
received a little more than 11 percent support.
The results, while unscientific, off... 阅读全帖 |
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发帖数: 38600 | 48 50 YEARS OF FAILURE
http://www.freemansperspective.com/50-years-failure/
So, I know what people in that time were hoping to get out of politics…
what they firmly believed they would get out of politics. Here’s the list:
A solution to the race problem.
An end to a pointless war.
A solution to the Middle East problem.
To improve education.
A solution to the problems of poverty and welfare.
An elimination of police brutality.
The race problem
Race problems have shifted over the past 50 years, but t... 阅读全帖 |
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发帖数: 2215 | 49 http://dcourier.com/news/2016/mar/22/courier-exit-polling-shows
Courier exit polling shows Cruz leading in Prescott, Prescott Valley.
Exit polls conducted by The Daily Courier on Tuesday, March 22, showed Sen.
Ted Cruz of Texas leading businessman Donald Trump 50 percent to 33 percent
overall, with Ohio Gov. John Kasich garnering just 8 percent among voters
polled. |
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发帖数: 38600 | 50 The original April 19 announcement by the chain informed customers that “
inclusivity is a core belief at Target,” adding, “It’s something we
celebrate. We stand for equality and equity, and strive to make our guests
and team members feel accepted, respected and welcomed in our stores and
workplaces every day.”
The retailer went on to say, “We welcome transgender team members and
guests to use the restroom or fitting room facility that corresponds with
their gender identity.”
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