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C********g
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http://my.cnd.org/modules/wfsection/article.php?articleid=30096
从昨天(09/22/2011)旁晚开始,物理界好像炸了锅,疯传一则消息:CERN (日内瓦
)和Gran Sasso (巨岩,意大利)的中微子实验发现,中微子的传播速度超过光速!
今天纽约时报等大小报纸也跟着凑热闹:二十世纪最有名的物理公式,E=mc^2
中的c 不是常数了 !似乎爱因斯坦就要完蛋了!
别忙着下结论,先看一下CERN 和Gran Sasso 到底干了什麼。CERN 和Gran Sasso 两个
实验室我都去过。前者拥有世界最大的粒子加速器,后者是世界最大的地下的粒子和天
体物理实验室。CERN -Gran Sasso 的中微子实验,想法很简单,如图1所示,在日内瓦
的CERN(图左边)产生一束中微子,射向意大利的Gran Sasso (图右边)。 他们 测
量中微子从CERN 飞到Gran Sasso的时间,又知道,CERN 到Gran Sasso的距离,就测得
中微子的飞行速度了。
由于地球是球状的,中微子从 CERN 到Gran Sasso... 阅读全帖
j******n
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从昨天(09/22/2011)旁晚开始,物理界好像炸了锅,疯传一则消息:CERN (日内瓦
)和Gran Sasso (巨岩,意大利)的中微子实验发现,中微子的传播速度超过光速!
今天纽约时报等大小报纸也跟着凑热闹:二十世纪最有名的物理公式,
E=mc2
中的c 不是常数了 !似乎爱因斯坦就要完蛋了!
别忙着下结论,先看一下CERN 和Gran Sasso 到底干了什麼。
CERN 和Gran Sasso 两个实验室我都去过。前者拥有世界最大的粒子加速器,后者是世
界最大的地下的粒子和天体物理实验室。CERN - Gran Sasso 的中微子实验,想法很简
单,如图1所示,在日内瓦的CERN(图左边)产生一束中微子,射向意大利的Gran
Sasso (图右边)。 他们 测量中微子从CERN 飞到Gran Sasso的时间,又知道,CERN
到Gran Sasso的距离,就测得中微子的飞行速度了。
图1: 虚线是 中微子从 CERN 到Gran Sasso 传播途径
由于地球是球状的,中微子从 CERN 到Gran Sasso 的直线传播途径都在地下。中微子
可在地球中自由穿行,如入无... 阅读全帖
C********g
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【 以下文字转载自 History 讨论区 】
发信人: Communipig (共产猪), 信区: History
标 题: 方励之:CERN-Gran Sasso 的中微子超光速实验
发信站: BBS 未名空间站 (Thu Oct 6 22:25:37 2011, 美东)
http://my.cnd.org/modules/wfsection/article.php?articleid=30096
从昨天(09/22/2011)旁晚开始,物理界好像炸了锅,疯传一则消息:CERN (日内瓦
)和Gran Sasso (巨岩,意大利)的中微子实验发现,中微子的传播速度超过光速!
今天纽约时报等大小报纸也跟着凑热闹:二十世纪最有名的物理公式,E=mc^2
中的c 不是常数了 !似乎爱因斯坦就要完蛋了!
别忙着下结论,先看一下CERN 和Gran Sasso 到底干了什麼。CERN 和Gran Sasso 两个
实验室我都去过。前者拥有世界最大的粒子加速器,后者是世界最大的地下的粒子和天
体物理实验室。CERN -Gran Sasso 的中微子实验,想法很简单,如图1所示,在日内瓦
的... 阅读全帖
w*******y
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Amazon:
http://www.amazon.com/Gran-Turismo-5-Playstation-3/dp/B002BSA1C6/ref=pd_rhf_shvl_5#productPromotions
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r****n
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来自主题: Automobile版 - Re: Geneva车展,M8 Gran Coupe漂亮啊
前脸后脸侧面线条都非常赞!
这几年bmw的外形设计一直不给力(新7系,新5系,新X3)
没想到8系gran coupe设计得这么好看~
应该是基于5系的构架,
不知道同等发动机的8系gran coupe(840i或M850i)比5系会贵多少。。。
https://www.motor1.com/news/235419/m8-gran-coupe-conceptvideo/
https://www.bmwusa.com/concept-vehicles/m8-gran-coupe.html
i*********5
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来自主题: Cycling版 - Gran Fondo with George Hincapie - $250
http://www.labicicletta.com/gran-fondo-2012
Should I go?
2012 La Bicicletta Gran Fondo
The 5th annual La Bicicletta Gran Fondo, as always, incorporates the best
aspects of cycling into one special event. There’s a great spread of food
before the ride, you get a snazzy new Giordana event kit, hop on your bike
with great people, use that as an excuse to eat more great seasonal food
afterwards, win cool prizes, and still get home before getting into too much
trouble. Remind yourself of the essence ... 阅读全帖
p*********e
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来自主题: Automobile版 - 请教一下各位,335i or 435i gran coupe?
如果想后座坐人就不要考虑435i gran coupe
前两天去dealer时坐进去试了下M4和428i gran coupe
我180,后座试图坐直会立即顶头,而且顶的很明显,已经不是局促的问题了
M4也是一样,还要更厉害些,但两个基本都是不适合坐成人的情况,没有本质差别
而且gran coupe如果要勉强把上肢放低的话,腿就要多向前伸,但leg room不足
又会导致前座顶腿,也就是说怎么坐都坐不舒服
虽然比4系标准版多俩门,但本质上还是没法坐人
好处是,至少比两门的四系看着好看些.
c********e
发帖数: 1339
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来自主题: Cycling版 - Cycling in Gran Canaria 资讯篇
在刚刚过去的长周末,去Gran Canaria骑了三天车。版医说我应该写一写,我想就把我
所了解到的资讯整理一下,供大家参考吧 ^_^
Gran Canaria是西班牙Canary Islands中的一个,好像是最大游人最多的。这个岛适合
骑车已经不是什么新鲜事,今年的Tinkoff冬训就在这个岛上进行的。隔壁的小岛
Tenerife更是Team Sky的altitude training base。据说2017年的环西就计划两个
stage在这两个岛上,当然这还只是不确信的传闻。
如果搜Gran Canaria Cycling Training Camp会出现很多结果,但我个人不是特别推荐
参加这样的camp。一是因为camp都比较贵,而在这个岛上骑车可以每天住同一个旅馆,
不像环台湾或者Jasper-Banff那样特别需要一个support vehicle每天帮你运行李去不
同的旅馆,所以不如把钱省下来环台湾哈哈哈。二是因为一般这样的camp都是连骑一周
,这个岛上基本没有平路,可能连骑七天到了后面不是每个人都能enjoy,还是自己掌
握节奏比较好。所以我自己画了画图,就自己订了机... 阅读全帖
C******g
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来自主题: _Playstation3版 - Gran Turismo 5 demo races to PSN on December 17
Starting December 17, PlayStation 3 users will be able to download the Gran
Turismo 5 Time Trial Challenge from the PlayStation Store for a chance to
win. Everyone who downloads it will get a chance to try out Gran Turismo 5’
s brand-new physics engine by test driving the new Nissan 370Z on the road
to winning an exciting grand prize package that would drive any GT fan wild.
The Gran Turismo 5 Time Trial Challenge features both a stock and a tuned
version of the new Nissan 370Z, and includes two
C******g
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来自主题: _Playstation3版 - Gran Turismo 5 gets v1.05. 608MB
Gran Turismo 5 is ready to go back to the shop for a major 608MB, version 1.
05 patch. The update includes seasonal events, upgrades for winning races
and save data backups.
Gran Turismo 5 V1.05:
・Seasonal Events
[Seasonal Events] have been added to the upper left side of the [GT Mode] -
[GT Life] screen. From here you can participate in official online events
from the Polyphony Digital team.
In these events, all participants race under the same regulations, and if
you complete the event ... 阅读全帖
w*******y
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Amazon is selling Gran Turismo 5:
http://www.amazon.com/Gran-Turismo-5-Playstation-3/dp/B002BSA1C6/ref=sr_1_1?s=videogames&ie=UTF8&qid=1280987429&sr=1-1
for $59.99 with a $10 Video Game Credit and an in-game Mercedes-Benz SLS
AMG Stealth.
"Pre-order Gran Turismo 5, the standard edition, and get $10 off a future
video game purchase as well as an in-game Mercedes-Benz SLS AMG Stealth
Model car. Offer valid when shipped and sold by Amazon.com, while supplies
last. Limit one per customer."
w*******y
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y**l
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if you watched the movie "Gran Torino", you will probably reach the same
conclusion.
In Gran Torino, the old grandpa sacrificed himself for saving a boy facing
the bullying from viet gangsters. and the boy inherited his grand torino
after his death. Very touching movie, and worth a look.
m*******n
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来自主题: Automobile版 - 4系Gran Coupe:宝马被日系吓傻了
是,但是宝马在4系上有搞了4个门,叫做GRAN COUPE。
参见6系,和6系Gran Coupe的关系。
宝马三星化了啊,只有这样才能克制日系。
j**********8
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来自主题: Automobile版 - Gran TURISMO 怎么样?
BMW 的 GRAN TURISMO 看起来样子不错,可是似乎买的人不多,好像也没见到版上有讨
论。
谁能给讲讲这个么,比如最基本的,GRAN TURISMO 是什么意思?
多谢!
i*********5
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来自主题: Cycling版 - Gran Fondo New York - May 20, 2012
http://www.granfondony.com/
The second edition of Gran Fondo New York brings Italian cycling culture to
the world's greatest city on May 20, 2012. Join thousands of cyclists on a
challenging 100 mile Gran Fondo and 65 mile non competitive Medio Fondo from
New York City to Bear Mountain and back in an experience fit for a pro and
open to anyone who loves to ride.
http://www.sportograf.com/bestof/1064/
C******g
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这个GT Academy的作用重点在于拟真度而选拔最终的获胜者进行真实的GT赛车比赛做一
个过渡
Stage One - will offer Gran Turismo fans a sneak preview of the hotly-
anticipated Gran Turismo 5 game, due for release during 2010. Competitors
will record flying laps on a time trial-based track available via
PlayStation®Network, accessed through PS3. Unlike the first GT Academy,
participants will not have to enter the competition using the GT5
PrologueTM game itself, and so even more hopeful racing drivers are expected
to take part.
Stage
h*d
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"About 90%" of Gran Turismo 5 is done News
PlayStation 3 News by Tom Bramwell
Today 08:19
Gran Turismo 5 still isn't finished. In fact, Polyphony Digital boss
Kazunori Yamauchi has made it sound as though it's in the same state it was
five months ago, if not longer.
"About 90 per cent of the game is done," Yamauchi told Inside Line (thanks
VG247). "We are just working on the last 10 per cent and polishing up
everything."
Which would be fair enough, except it's exactly what he said in January at
s****t
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来自主题: TVGame版 - Gran Turismo 5 Delayed... Again
Gran Turismo 5 has been delayed once more as Sony announces it is to miss
its November release date.
"We sincerely apologize to GT fans for the delay," explained the official US
PlayStation blog, "however, creator
Kazunori Yamauchi and the team at Polyphony Digital want to make certain
they are creating the perfect
racing experience, and we are confident that this ambitious game will exceed
expectations when it launches."
Gran Turismo 5 was slated for a release on November 2 in the US and Novemb... 阅读全帖
l*********e
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来自主题: LeisureTime版 - Gran Torino
Clint Eastwood最后一部电影作品《Gran Torino》,这个79岁的西部牛仔和美国男人
心目中的硬汉,还有他的传奇一生,就这样像影片最后那一幕一样:Tao开着老爷车在
一望无际的海边消失了,真的有些不舍。
这个78岁的牛仔在这部自导自演的影片结尾处,深情款款地演唱自己创作的同名主题曲
时,相信没有人不会开始怀疑自己78岁时的时候自己会在干什么?
影片中他教一个男孩子怎么去开着他的老爷车去泡妞,让他如何成为男人,告诉他不能
像懦夫一样的活着,告诉他这个这个世界永远是强者的世界。最后Clint Eastwood没有
用以暴制暴的方式去解决那些人,而是以自己倒下去的方式来温情这个世界,来告诉这
个世界上的人如何更好地去明白生与死的意义,如何更好地去对待生活,如何去珍惜眼
下的一切。影片中Clint Eastwood还是像演西部片的牛仔一样,依然很酷。不过又不乏
诠释出了自己温存的一面,如同那辆老爷车一样。
其实就题材来说,这是一部很平淡的电影,而正是Clint Eastwood在影片表演才觉得并
不平淡,重没想到过没想到被这个经常演西部片的牛仔且被视为美国男人心目中的硬汉
在... 阅读全帖
M****N
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来自主题: WebRadio版 - Gran Torino
[*Sung By Jamie Cullum & Clint Eastwood*]
So tenderly your story is
nothing more than what you see
or what you've done or will become
standing strong do you belong
in your skin; just wondering
gentle now the tender breeze blows
whispers through my Gran Torino
whistling another tired song
engine humms and bitter dreams grow
heart locked in a Gran Torino
it beats a lonely rhythm all night long
it beats a lonely rhythm all night long
it beats a lonely rhythm all night long
[*sung by Jamie Cullum*]
C******g
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来自主题: _Playstation3版 - Gran Turismo 5 Game Features Announced
Gran Turismo 5 has been announced! Here is the latest information on the
game design:
■ models included
1,000 vehicles
170 Premium new models (full interior modeling, the interior corresponds to
vehicle damage)
830 kinds of standard model (some are from Gran Turismo 4 that have been
carried over to GT5) [Read: Cars we have seen in GT4 before ]
■ Courses
60 courses confirmed with 20 or more to be revealed
■ physical simulation of vehicles
Physics system simulation is brand new
Represented is full
C******g
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来自主题: _Playstation3版 - Gran Turismo 5 dated
The wait is finally over. Sony announced the Gran Turismo 5 release date
during their Tokyo Game Show conference. Releasing next March, Gran Turismo
5 will surely be one of the biggest selling games for all of 2010. Featuring
lots of new cars, lifelike graphics, and amazing racing physics, GT5 will
quickly become regarded as the top racing simulation game of all-time.
The game will feature over 950 cars, 20 locations, and 70 tracks. A new
Youtube feature will also be included along will a deep o
C******g
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来自主题: _Playstation3版 - Track Editor In Gran Turismo 5 Confirmed
There was a video floating around the internet earlier today that mentioned
a track editor in the upcoming Gran Turismo 5. The video needs to be
translated and only had rough translation available elsewhere, so nobody was
really sure about it being true or not.
Well E4G has taken the time to email Polyphony to get a confirmation and has
gotten this response.
“Yes it will have a track editor. You will be able to rebuild a track from
scratch or edit the tracks that are already put in Gran Turismo
C******g
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来自主题: _Playstation3版 - Gran Turismo 5 Racing to PS3 This Year
Gran Turismo 5 is a highly ambitious racer that has a big set of shoes to
fill. Considering the game’s rich history Gran Turismo immediately calls
to mind a near perfect racing simulator. Polyphony Digital’s Kazunori
Yamauchi is well known for his attention to detail which has fueled much of
the speculation that GT5 may not make the calendar year.
Dille officially ends that speculation while conveniently being ambiguous as
to the actual release date. During the Game Developers Conference 2010,
w*******y
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Now with a final release date (discs are pressed so additional delays seems
very unlikely) I feel comortable with placing a pre-order. Most of the
threads has outdated prices so I dont consider this a repost, if mods thinks
otherwise feel free to delete.
As of Nov. 12
(Pre-Order) Amazon 59.99 free ship and no tax for many states. Includes $10
for future game purchase. Link:
http://www.amazon.com/Gran-Turismo-5-Collectors-Playstation-3/dp/B003O6HEKQ/ref=pd_sim_b_1
(Pre-Order) Buy.com 57.99 free s... 阅读全帖
w*******y
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Amazon has the following Blu Rays-Gran Torino, The Departed, District 9, V
for Vendetta, I am Legend, The Terminator, 2001 A Space Odyssey, Slum Dog
Millionaire. Hancock- for $9 plus free shipping for amazon prime users or
orders over 25. Also get $5 towards amazon on demand. Feel free to post
other as I am sure there are more!
Gran Torino:
http://www.amazon.com/Torino-BD-Live-Blu-ray-Clint-Eastwood/dp/B001KVZ6ES/ref=sr_1_1?s=dvd&ie=UTF8&qid=1291650965&sr=1-1
The Departed:
http://www.amazon.com/... 阅读全帖
w*******y
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w*******y
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This is similar to the eversave deal $200 more - - gives you that in $200
airfare credit.
LINK - CLICK HERE:
https://www.saveology.com/deals/national/gran-caribe-real-resort-offer
Highlights
Exotic white sandy beaches, easy elegance, unmatched comfort, and superior
service characterize todays daily deal for an all-inclusive vacation package
for two from the top resort in Cancun --- The Gran Caribe Real Resort & Spa
! Pay just $499 for a 4-day, 3-night stay at a 5-star beachfront resort
right in... 阅读全帖
w*******y
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Link:
https://www.saveology.com/deals/national/gran-caribe-real-resort-four-day-
offer?utm_source=ET&utm_medium=email&utm_campaign=gran-caribe-real-resort-
offer-new&sub_id=National
w*******y
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GoHastings
Used Gran Turismo 5 (PS3)
$28 - 25% off code PSYCHO ( blacksabbath)
= $21 + $2.28 shipping
Amazon TIV:
http://www.amazon.com/Gran-Turismo-5-Playstation-3/dp/B002BSA1C
is $30
w*******y
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来自主题: _DealGroup版 - 【$】Gran Turismo 5 used (PS3) $22 Shipped
GoHastings
Not bad for those who missed out on GameFly's sale
Gran Turismo 5:
http://www.gohastings.com/product/GAME/Gran-Turismo-5/sku/28144
$26.94 - 25% off code PSYCHO
= $20.21 + $2.28 Shipping
w*******y
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2.2-Pound Bag Lavazza Gran Aroma Bar Coffee Beans $12.14 Free shipping from
Amazon
Use Subscribe and Save and Clip 20% Off Coupon found on Product Page
2.2-Pound Bag Lavazza Gran Aroma Bar Coffee Beans:
http://www.amazon.com/Lavazza-Aroma-Coffee-Beans-2-2-Pound/dp/B
$12.14
m*******n
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来自主题: Automobile版 - 4系Gran Coupe:宝马被日系吓傻了
宝马不知所措,出了4系Gran Coupe,老美纷纷表示“这特么和3系有啥区别”
m*******n
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来自主题: Automobile版 - 4系Gran Coupe:宝马被日系吓傻了
Update:好吧,是我搞错了,逛了逛老美的坛子,发现4系Gran Coupe其实是5门
Sportback(可以注意下,照片里后车窗那里有条缝),这确实和3系不一样了,而且牛
X大了。Audi北美不卖A5 Sportback,奔驰这个级别没有,明年就宝马一家。
好吧,其实是日车吓傻了。
J*******i
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来自主题: Automobile版 - 4系Gran Coupe:宝马被日系吓傻了
肯定是一体后备箱阿。。四门a5/s5明年会来。。奔驰有cla

Update:好吧,是我搞错了,逛了逛老美的坛子,发现4系Gran Coupe其实是5门
Sportback(可以注意下,照片里后车窗那里有条缝),这确实和3系不一样了,而且牛
X........
m*******n
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来自主题: Automobile版 - 4系Gran Coupe:宝马被日系吓傻了
CLA轴距 2639mm
3系轴距 2810mm
Gran Coupe和GT基于加长版,轴距2920mm
你说差多少?
j**********8
发帖数: 65
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来自主题: Automobile版 - Gran TURISMO 怎么样?
谢谢! Wagon确实挺难看的。现在在 335 Gran Turismo 和 X3 35 之间考虑呢?价格
基本一样,但因为现在的车是个Crossover,想换换车型,但又挺喜欢X3的。
D***n
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来自主题: Automobile版 - Gran TURISMO 怎么样?
Gran Turismo是意大利语。指适合长途旅行的豪华车。不过现在已经滥用了。
你现在提这个词我第一个反映是PS上的GT赛车游戏。
j**********8
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来自主题: Automobile版 - Gran TURISMO 怎么样?
当然是3了,335i xDrive Gran Turismo,谢谢!
J*******i
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来自主题: Automobile版 - Gran TURISMO 怎么样?
不知楼主需求是啥。。运动和操控的话肯定是普通3系强些。。拖家带口的话x3功能全
些。。但gt3的优势是标新立异,如果身处满街3系的大城市,那gt3还是蛮有个性的,
将来估计也不会有很多。。如果两车都是35i发动机,那gt上的加速会好一些

当然是3了,335i xDrive Gran Turismo,谢谢!
j**********8
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来自主题: Automobile版 - Gran TURISMO 怎么样?
谢谢!当然主要是考虑性能了,所以不太想买28,同时也要求外观。目前一个人在湾区
,所以没有拖家带口的累赘。考虑X3主要是觉得SUV时尚一点。不过,经你这么一说,
更多的倾向于gran turismo了。
j**********8
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来自主题: Automobile版 - Gran TURISMO 怎么样?
我现在也是这样认为,不过gran turismo只有xDrive,没有纯后驱的选择。
J*******i
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来自主题: Automobile版 - Gran TURISMO 怎么样?
Saw this...想着gt5了,不差钱的话挺好的,尤其是没大家庭的话

我现在也是这样认为,不过gran turismo只有xDrive,没有纯后驱的选择。
m*******n
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来自主题: Automobile版 - bmw 4 gran coupe 官泄了
4门Coupe,参考6系和6 gran coupe的关系。
老美纷纷表示理解不能。
r**h
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来自主题: Automobile版 - 请教一下各位,335i or 435i gran coupe?
435i gran coupe是15年的新款,目前现车很少,价格也很难砍。几家有货的dealer都
咬在MSRP附近不松口。而同样差不多配置的335i (M sport, Tech, Driver Assist)
能拿到的价格要便宜好几千。
435i胜在外观好看(个人认为),以及市面上保有量比较小。不过两款车子性能应该几
乎相同,所以也就不知道额外的开销是不是值得了。不知道这两款车子还有没有什么其
他方面的区别?
麻烦大家帮忙出出主意,谢谢!
h*p
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来自主题: Automobile版 - 请教一下各位,335i or 435i gran coupe?
435 gran coupe可能是个稍微加强版的335,我觉得335和435可能不会有什么根本性的
区别
;当然是指335is,N55的那种;
p*********e
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来自主题: Automobile版 - 请教一下各位,335i or 435i gran coupe?
触摸输入从14MY开始的335i上也有
基本上跟335i比,435i gran coupe好处是track略宽,车身略低
外观更运动
看你到底买来是图什么了
h******u
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来自主题: Automobile版 - 有开BMW 550i Gran Turismo Xdrive的吗
小妹本来心仪的是BMW X6的50i
http://www.mitbbs.com/article_t0/Automobile/34639239.html
不过最近了解到这个BMW 550i Gran Turismo Xdrive,用的是一样的4.4L V8双涡轮发
动机,又是后掀盖的hatchback,只是市面上很少见。正好碰上一辆只有21000mile的
CPO,还有一年保修,就入手了。目前还挺满意。(550i GT的内饰配置感觉比X系列的
要好啊)
有没有开这个车的同好交流一下心得。
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