e****f
发帖数: 8 | 1 如果发动机没有损坏，找私人修1500左右，radiator, hood, grille, bumper,
headlamps， fender, some sensor. 散热的风扇等。但是换了外壳后涂漆是个大问题。
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n****e
发帖数: 6292 | 2 我之前的rear rotors上有很深的槽，刹车吱吱叫，我们这疙瘩一个专修saab的
mechanic说没问题，厚度正常就行。但是我坚持让他把换了，因为实在太吵
这是上网搜的9-5 90K service内容，仅供参考：
1.All light bulbs, check/adjust
2. Headlamp alignment, check/adjust
3.Service indicator, resetting
4. Engine oil and oil filter. Check for leakage.
5. Brake pads and handbrake, check/adjust
6. (Applies to cars with VIN up to and including X3025751): Rear brake pads,
check/adjust/clean/lubricate
7. Inboard and outboard drive shaft CV joints, gaiter integrity, check/
adjust
8. Ball joints... 阅读全帖 |
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j******m
发帖数: 612 | 3 one local dealer -
2009 prepmium plus with navigation
Gorgeous Ibis White ‘09 Q5 3.2L Premium Plus with Navigation!! This vehicle
comes equipped with LED Headlights, Panorama Sunroof, Front Heated Seats,
MMI Navigation, Bluetooth, iPod Interface, 17-Inch Wheels, Satellite Radio,
Park Distance Control with Rearview Camera, Adaptive Bi-Xenon Headlamps, 18-
Inch Wheels, and more! Audi Factory Warranty until May of 2013!! Only 21,000
miles!!!
Ask for $38k
估计难降价。大家评论一下 |
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c********s
发帖数: 236 | 4 ACURA,TSX,
•201-hp, 2.4-liter DOHC i-VTEC®4 Cyl engine
•Traction Control, Stability Control, ABS (4-Wheel)
•Bluetooth Wireless, AM/FM Stereo, CD, XM Radio
•HID Headlamps, Daytime Running Lights, Keyless Entry
•Dual Air Bags, Side Air Bags, F&R Head Curtain Air Bags
•Power Windows, Door Locks, Cruise Control
•Dual Power Heated Seats w/ Memory, Tilt Wheel
•Moon Roof, Alloy Wheels
5.5K miles,多少钱可以出手，暂时没有回国的打算，想着一次买个好点的车算了 |
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d******n
发帖数: 189 | 5 2011 Toyota Corolla MSRP
Model - 1838 4-DOOR LE SEDAN Base: $18,405.00
Exterior Color - 01F7 CLASSIC SILVER MET Installed Options: $579.00
Interior Color - FB16 ASH/BLACK Total: $18,984.00
* Base MSRP includes delivery charge
** Prices subject to change without notice
*** Please refer to vehicle Monroney label for final specifications and
pricing
Standard Features for this model
MECHANICAL & PERFORMANCE EXTERIOR
- 1.8L DOHC 16-Valve 4 Cyl Dual VVT-i - Multi-Reflector Halogen Headlamps
- 4-Speed... 阅读全帖 |
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h*******e
发帖数: 1171 | 6 RWD, Automatic,24K miles, 配置除了没有navigation， 别的还比较齐全：
premium/sport package, heated seats, premium leather, premium sound, rear
sunshade, parking sensor front/rear, HID headlamp w/ white led angel eye,
folding rear seats， BMW Assist and factory warranty till 2013 Aug.
现在要价29K， 大家觉得值么？ |
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r****x
发帖数: 1250 | 7 在看7坐suv，这两个是finalists. 各有千秋，只好从价格上看看了 （为什么选这两就
不讨论了）。有没有最近买过的请评估一下报价是否合理，多谢！
Volvo XC90 (2011)
3.2L AWD, with Blis, Navigation/rear camera （想要后视相机就必须上导航）,
xenon headlamps。leather, sunroof 是标配。后盖竟然没有电动的。
报价是invoice以下1800。42134加税和别的费用。
这个没什么incentive，贷款可能是1.9-2.9%.一点好处是现在的质保很好，5年保常规
保养。
Buick Enclave (2011)
CXL-1 AWD, with sunroof and premium audio (这个被逼的，存车不多了），车价
40867，加税和tag/processing (这两样502块）。可以要2000 回扣或0% 6年的贷款。
这车比较大，有电动后盖，但没有盲点提醒系统（没的选！），leather是标配，但没
有导航（没选，2400），不过有后视相机，显示在后视镜上。 |
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i**********o
发帖数: 5993 | 8 【 以下文字转载自 NewYork 讨论区 】
发信人: indigoindigo (大白), 信区: NewYork
标 题: 2008 Chevrolet Malibu LT (19,800 miles, asking $12,800)
发信站: BBS 未名空间站 (Fri Sep 2 15:43:13 2011, 美东)
If interested, please call 917-561-8985
Engine:4 Cyl
Transmission:Automatic
Drive:2WD
Body:Sedan
Exterior Color: Blue
Interior Color: Black
Excellent condition! 19800 Mileage only! No odor, no pets, no children, very
clean! No Accident records, and I'm the first owner of the car.
The car is well maintained every 3 months. Just cha... 阅读全帖 |
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y***g
发帖数: 10422 | 9 我觉得 2012 款 base 有可能再减掉（另外搞个package）的：
Automatic Headlamps: 改手动
Fog Lamps: 去掉
Media Center w/ AM/FM Radio, CD Player and WMA/MP3 Jack: 改成不支持 MP3 的普
通CD，没有 USB。我记得试驾时候地雷告诉我有蓝牙的，那么可以把蓝牙去掉。
1 Year of Sirius Satellite Radio Service+: 去掉
八方向电动座椅：改手动
一键式启动：改普通钥匙
2011 base 款的座椅面料真 TMD 糙。也没有行李箱遮物帘。 |
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g******z
发帖数: 5809 | 10 Golf R: (2 and 4 door*)
2.0 TSI 256 HP / 243 lbs-ft engine w/ 4MOTION all-wheel drive system,
dual exhaust tips w/ polished finish & sound generator,
18” alloy wheels w/ all-season tires,
sport suspension, rear window wiper,
black-painted brake calipers,
black exterior mirror housings,
body colored door handles and bumper,
rear roof spoiler,
sport front, rear, & side valences,
heated washer nozzles,
power-adjustable, heated exterior mirrors,
Xenon headlamps w/ AFS, daytime running lights,
front... 阅读全帖 |
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f*****h
发帖数: 34 | 14 2011 Silver Camry LE, ,$21,679.00 (Includes $1,000 Rebate)
Model Number: 2532E
Model Description: 4-DOOR LE SEDAN
Year ............: 2011
Interior Color ..: FB13 FB13
Exterior Color ..: 01F7 SILVE
Body ............: 4-DOOR LE SEDAN
Number of Cyl ...: 4
VIN .............: 4T1BF3EK9BU713070
MECHANICAL & PERFORMANCE
2.5L 4-Cyl DOHC 16V w/ Dual VVT-i Engine
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y******6
发帖数: 12 | 15 最近买了一款A4 Quattro premium plus （metalic grey) + Navi. MSRP 42250. OTD
41485 in LA.
请问这个价钱是不是合理？另外有个问题是买车的时候，人家推荐买了三个维修的PLAN.
1）Audi Care 60 mo./45,000 miles ($800)-----这个据说就是还不错的换油pre-
paid care, 这个还不能单买，现在必须和（2）一起买，10/1后的新规定，坑人！
2) Audi Term Care Select ($1150)----- 这个管“platinum plus", brake pad,
battery, headlamp, belts and hoses, windshield wiper blade and electrical.
保期跟（1）一样
3) Safeguard tire and wheel ($1350)---这个不是奥迪自己的，听说是BMW用的，专
管“premier tire, wheel and rim protection, dent and din... 阅读全帖 |
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h******r
发帖数: 1578 | 16 please see below:
2011 Toyota Corolla MSRP
Model - 1831 4-DOOR SEDAN Base: $16,745.00
Exterior Color - 01F7 CLASSIC SILVER MET Installed Options: $579.00
Interior Color - FA16 BLACK/ASH/DECO BLK Total: $17,324.00
* Base MSRP includes delivery charge
** Prices subject to change without notice
*** Please refer to vehicle Monroney label for final specifications and
pricing
Standard Features for this model
MECHANICAL & PERFORMANCE EXTERIOR
- 1.8L DOHC 16-Valve 4 Cyl Dual VVT-i - Multi-Reflector ... 阅读全帖 |
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w****g
发帖数: 1143 | 17 没的换,都是整个换的.headlamp assembly 有时候并不是太贵的. |
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s**********3
发帖数: 81 | 18 In Excellent condition/ Bought from Benz dealer/No Accident/Clean title
Move and need to sell
Milleage 28400
Engine: V6, 3.5 Liter
Transmission:Automatic, 7-Spd w/Overdrive
Silver paint
High end, many many upgrades:
Multi Disk CDs, Navigation system, Keyless Start, Keyless Entry, Air
Conditioning, Power Windows, Power door locks, cruise control, running
boards, Power steering, tinted window, AM/FM stereo, premium sound, DVD
system, video system, Bluetooth wireless, teleaid, backup camera, dual p... 阅读全帖 |
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x******n
发帖数: 771 | 19 "如果下次遇到这种情况，我肯定会更加小心，甚至换个路口走。但是
这次不想就这么算了。虽然我是全保有保险公司负责赔付，但是这口
气真的很难咽下去!"
Yes!I agree with you!! I ever had very similar experience with you, but I am
lucky to see him, I hate such driver who didn't turn headlamp on or didn't
have broken braklamp repaired!!
Good luck yo you!! |
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x******n
发帖数: 771 | 20 "如果下次遇到这种情况，我肯定会更加小心，甚至换个路口走。但是
这次不想就这么算了。虽然我是全保有保险公司负责赔付，但是这口
气真的很难咽下去!"
Yes!I agree with you!! I ever had very similar experience with you, but I am
lucky to see him, I hate such driver who didn't turn headlamp on or didn't
have broken braklamp repaired!!
Good luck yo you!! |
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x******n
发帖数: 771 | 21 "如果下次遇到这种情况，我肯定会更加小心，甚至换个路口走。但是
这次不想就这么算了。虽然我是全保有保险公司负责赔付，但是这口
气真的很难咽下去!"
Yes!I agree with you!! I ever had very similar experience with you, but I am
lucky to see him, I hate such driver who didn't turn headlamp on or didn't
have broken braklamp repaired!!
Good luck yo you!! |
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x******n
发帖数: 771 | 22 "如果下次遇到这种情况，我肯定会更加小心，甚至换个路口走。但是
这次不想就这么算了。虽然我是全保有保险公司负责赔付，但是这口
气真的很难咽下去!"
Yes!I agree with you!! I ever had very similar experience with you, but I am
lucky to see him, I hate such driver who didn't turn headlamp on or didn't
have broken braklamp repaired!!
Good luck yo you!! |
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h******r
发帖数: 1578 | 23 Your price for this vehicle is $15,365
2011 Toyota Corolla MSRP
Model - 1838 4-DOOR LE SEDAN Base: $18,445.00
Exterior Color - 0040 SUPER WHITE Installed Options: $579.00
Interior Color - FB16 BLACK/ASH/DECO BLK Total: $19,024.00
Standard Features for this model
MECHANICAL & PERFORMANCE EXTERIOR
- 1.8L DOHC 16-Valve 4 Cyl Dual VVT-i - Multi-Reflector Halogen Headlamps
- 4-Speed Automatic Transmission - Color-Keyed Power Heated Outside
Mirrors
- Front Wheel Drive - Variable Intermittent Windsh... 阅读全帖 |
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h******r
发帖数: 1578 | 24 Your price for this vehicle is $15,365
2011 Toyota Corolla MSRP
Model - 1838 4-DOOR LE SEDAN Base: $18,445.00
Exterior Color - 0040 SUPER WHITE Installed Options: $579.00
Interior Color - FB16 BLACK/ASH/DECO BLK Total: $19,024.00
Standard Features for this model
MECHANICAL & PERFORMANCE EXTERIOR
- 1.8L DOHC 16-Valve 4 Cyl Dual VVT-i - Multi-Reflector Halogen Headlamps
- 4-Speed Automatic Transmission - Color-Keyed Power Heated Outside
Mirrors
- Front Wheel Drive - Variable Intermittent Windsh... 阅读全帖 |
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z*******0
发帖数: 24 | 25 Dealer 刚给的报价。有两个options
1 $16,278 with no 0% interest
2 $17,278 with 0% interest
请大家帮忙看看这个配置的价格怎么样？
2011 Toyota Corolla MSRP
Model - 1838 4-DOOR LE SEDAN Total: $18,924.
Exterior Color - 0209 BLACK SAND PEARL
Interior Color - FB40 SAND BEIGE/BISQUE/SEPIA
Standard Features for this model
MECHANICAL & PERFORMANCE EXTERIOR
- 1.8L DOHC 16-Valve 4 Cyl Dual VVT-i - Multi-Reflector Halogen
Headlamps
- 4-Speed Automatic Transmission - Color-Keyed Power... 阅读全帖 |
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s*********i
发帖数: 916 | 26 2006年的infiniti Fx35 AWD 78000迈
KBB price
Excellent $22,800
Very Good $22,200
Good $21,650
http://www.kbb.com/infiniti/fx/2006-infiniti-fx/fx35-sport-util
我卖 $21,000 可议价 New Jersey& New York City Only
很美的宝蓝色 全皮座椅 电动加热 无限蓝牙 倒车摄像头
2009年10月我买这个车的时候，这个车一直是dealer在开，第一个owner是infiniti公
司。所以车特别新，除了驾驶员皮座椅能看出来有人用过，其他座椅都是全新的。然后
我开这两年，也十分仔细。无吸烟车，没有小孩子和小狗，干干净净，经常去infiniti
店里做保养，有单据可以提供。去年夏天在local交通灯左转，被一个福特车刮了驾驶
员那边的后门边，留了个小坑。对方保险公司只出50%赔偿，朋友们都说不必修，赚那
两千多刀。我心疼车，自己又添了些钱，把整个后门换了新的。但是再就没有别的事故和刮碰了。
去年冬天花了一千多美金换了4... 阅读全帖 |
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h******r
发帖数: 1578 | 27 2011 Toyota Corolla MSRP
Model - 1838 4-DOOR LE SEDAN Base: $18,445.00
Exterior Color - 0209 BLACK SAND PEARL Installed Options: $1,764.00
Interior Color - FB40 SAND BEIGE/BISQUE/SEPIA Total: $20,209.00
* Base MSRP includes delivery charge
** Prices subject to change without notice
*** Please refer to vehicle Monroney label for final specifications and
pricing
Standard Features for this model
MECHANICAL & PERFORMANCE EXTERIOR
- 1.8L DOHC 16-Valve 4 Cyl Dual VVT-i - Multi-Reflector Halogen Headl... 阅读全帖 |
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c*****r
发帖数: 1491 | 28 is it a reasonable price?
ENTERTAINMENT
AM/FM stereo w/CD/MP3 player -inc: aux input jack, speed-sensitive
volume, (4) speakers, clock
SIRIUS satellite radio
INTERIOR
(2) 12V pwr points
(2) front cupholders, (1) rear cupholder
60/40 split rear bench seat
Air conditioning
Dual visor mirrors
Front cloth tipping bucket seats -inc: 4-way driver seat, 2-way
passenger seat, adjustable head restraints
Front header courtesy light w/theater dimming
Front integral m... 阅读全帖 |
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R***a
发帖数: 41892 | 29 24800. No vehicle shall be driven at any time with the parking lamps
lighted except when the lamps are being used as turn signal lamps or when
the headlamps are also lighted.
Amended Ch. 58, Stats. 1961. Effective September 15, 1961. |
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a*****b
发帖数: 2789 | 30 08年 Lexus IS250 AWD,目前不到40000mile。车是08年5月在NY卖出，我于10年12月买
的CPO。目前warranty到2015年7月（原厂warranty5月到期，extended warranty买成$
2500）。2任车主都定期做保养维护（提供所有保修receipt），目前车况极佳。家里有
2辆小车利用率不高，想换SUV所以卖出。KBB估价（非CPO）private party$26,475，
trade in $23,075。配置除了标准配置外加luxury package(桃木内饰，冷热通风座椅
，keyless entry等） + navigation + Bluetooth + Backup Camera + HID Headlamps
+ Rear Spoiler. 车内有2套floor matt，车周围贴了保护膜（就是iphone屏幕保护贴
一样的东西）。
有感兴趣的请站内联系吧。请PM你的offer。提供autocheck report。车在NJ靠近NYC的地方。现金
交易或者任何可以立即支取的check或者转账都可以。 |
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p********e
发帖数: 16048 | 32 rwd?
mT?
Headlamps
的地方。现金 |
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p********e
发帖数: 16048 | 33 这个价格可以买到很好的CPO了。。。
楼主安了吧
我们local 1800都没人要
Headlamps
地方。现金 |
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x******4
发帖数: 3001 | 34 2012 Toyota Camry MSRP
Model - 2546 4-DOOR SE SEDAN Base: $23,845.00
Exterior Color - 0040 SUPER WHITE Installed Options: $1,044.00
Interior Color - FF20 BLACK Total: $24,889.00
* Base MSRP includes delivery charge
** Prices subject to change without notice
*** Please refer to vehicle Monroney label for final specifications and
pricing
Standard Features for this model
MECHANICAL & PERFORMANCE INTERIOR
- 2.5L 4-Cyl DOHC 16V w/ Dual VVT-i Engine ... 阅读全帖 |
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s******6
发帖数: 147 | 35 各位前辈，第一次来美国J1在加州做博后，国内驾照
想买CRV或者RAV4
下面是一个dealer给我的回信，不知道现在RAV4 这个基本型，不知道现在湾区行情，
应该砍到多少合适
HEre is the invoice of one of our vehicles:
18186 VEHICLE INQUIRY REPORT DATE: 03/23/
12
DCV920 TIME: 08:41
Model Number: 4430A SERIAL # :CW112120 Check Code:
5
Model Description: 5-DOOR 4X2 SUV Category ..........: G
Year ............: 2012 Current Dealer ....: 1... 阅读全帖 |
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b**********y
发帖数: 7371 | 36 有必要澄清一下事实 - SAAB 并不是"最先把涡轮增压器用到汽车上的":
- The first production turbocharged automobile engines came from General
Motors in 1962.
- At the Paris auto show in 1974, during the height of the oil crisis,
Porsche introduced the 911 Turbo – the world’s first production sports car
with an exhaust turbocharger and pressure regulator.
- The first turbocharged diesel truck was produced by Schweizer
Maschinenfabrik Saurer (Swiss Machine Works Saurer) in 1938.
- The world's first production turbo diesel autom... 阅读全帖 |
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J****K
发帖数: 232 | 37 多谢各位回复
再次明确一下 亮的是headlamp 不是DRL 也没打倒highbeam
哪位有经验 给点建议 |
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g********b
发帖数: 8461 | 38
DRL就是headlamp亮。
你把车停下，挂P档，手刹拉起来，看看还亮不亮。 |
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f*****y
发帖数: 214 | 39 拿到一个dealer的quote：
Lexus IS 250 AWD all following options:
Vehicle Base Model ..........................:$ 37225.00
Bi-Xenon High Intensity Headlamps with LED . 875.00
Daytime Running Lights .....................
Premium Package Value Edition .............. 200.00
Heated and Ventilated Front Seats, Wood Inter
Trim, and Perforated Leather Seat Upgrade ..
...........................................
Cargo Net .................................. 64.00
Trunk Mat ..................... 阅读全帖 |
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t***3
发帖数: 778 | 40 按理说“The Sport adds 18-inch alloy wheels, sportier suspension tuning,
foglamps, rear privacy glass and upgraded upholstery. V6-powered models get
automatic headlamps.”
Dealer说17-inch alloy wheels所以很混乱，价格不好估计。不知道是不是Dealer自己
改了什么。
最好让Dealer把具体包含什么寄一份给你。
如果是Sport版 SR5，需要确证
5-speed Automatic transmission
3.5L V6
FWD 还是 AWD?
轮子类型和大小
天窗 |
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a*******l
发帖数: 98 | 41 最近在VW dealer处逛游tiguan，发现辆外观类似新车的pre-certified 2010 tiguan
sel 顶配（全境天窗，真皮座椅，6碟dynaudio，bi-xenon headlamps, 但没有navigation和backup camera), 21k mileage, first owner (lease)。要价27k,带原厂质保和额
外两年质保。试了半天感觉个方面都很好，最后以25k(before ttl)拿下。不知道
transmission有没有什么tiguan的通病，现在没看出来，就刹车停死时稍有点抖，路不
平时感觉比sedan有点晃。 |
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g********b
发帖数: 8461 | 42 买套headlamp restoration kit,自己得有个电钻(用电池的就行),准备好水和擦车布,
kit里面有详细的说明怎么用. |
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p*****n
发帖数: 98 | 43 2012 Enclave with leather seats, loaded, gold mist is the color, tan
interior.It is CXL top of the line package.
I just do not understand what CXL represents. How about this deal?
1SL - 1SL PACKAGE 1SZ - OPTION PACKAGE DISCOUNTS
392 - CASHMERE W/COCOA ACCENTS 39I - INTERIOR TRIM
51U - GOLD MIST METALLIC 6AA - COMPONENT FRT LH COMPUTER SEL SUSP
7AA - COMPONENT FRT RH COMPUTER SEL SUSP 8UN - COMPONENT FRT LH COMPUTER
SEL SUSP
9UN - COMPONENT RR RH COMPUTER SEL SUSP A45 - MEMORY... 阅读全帖 |
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c********u
发帖数: 143 | 44 08 Camry, 6W5, 11000$
右车轮那里撞过，给了repair invoice, 看了下修过以下，有些看不太懂，请高人指点，
谢谢！！
图在这里：http://www.mitbbs.com/article_t/Automobile/33317311.html
front bumper
bumper cover
headlamp
hood
socket for signal
socket for marker
RT marker pigtall harness
RT terminal connectors, Radiator support
RT upper support, add for clear coat
RT upper tie bar, set up and measure
RT support cylinder
RT support cylinder mount
RT side seal
Opt OEM Insulator Clip
Front seal clip
RT fender, overlap major adj.panel, add for clea... 阅读全帖 |
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c********u
发帖数: 143 | 45 08 Camry, 6W5, 11000$
右车轮那里撞过，还蛮严重的，当时看吓了一跳@@
给了repair invoice, 看了下修过以下，有些看不太懂，请高人指点，谢谢！！
front bumper
bumper cover
headlamp
hood
socket for signal
socket for marker
RT marker pigtall harness
RT terminal connectors, Radiator support
RT upper support, add for clear coat
RT upper tie bar, set up and measure
RT support cylinder
RT support cylinder mount
RT side seal
Opt OEM Insulator Clip
Front seal clip
RT fender, overlap major adj.panel, add for clear coat, add for edging,
deduct for overlap
LT ... 阅读全帖 |
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h******r
发帖数: 1578 | 46 2012 Toyota RAV4
MSRP
Model - 4430 5-DOOR 4X2 SUV
Base:
$23,545.00
Exterior Color - 01F7 Classic Silver Metallic
Installed Options:
$1,063.00
Interior Color - FC10 ASH
Total:
$24,608.00
*
Base MSRP includes delivery charge
**
Prices subject to change without notice
***
Please refer to vehicle Monroney label for final specifications and pricing
Standard Features for this model
MECHANICAL & PERFORMANCE
EXTERIOR
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2.5L DOHC 16V 4Cyl Engine w/Dual VVT-i
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Multi-Reflector Halogen Headlamps
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s*******g
发帖数: 59 | 47 抢钱么！！！
OTD $29632.05
New 2012 Toyota RAV4 V6
Factory Installed Accessories: FE QW TO
Port Installed Accessories : CF
With the following standard features:
MECHANICAL & PERFORMANCE
3.5L DOHC 24V V6 Engine w/Dual VVT-i
269 hp @ 6200 rpm / 246 lb-ft @ 4700 rpm
5-Spd Electronic Controlled Auto Trans
On-Demand 4WD / 4-Whl Ind Suspension
Electronic Power Steering System
Fr&Rr Stabilizer Bar/4-Whl Disc Brakes
17" Steel Wheels, P225/65R17 Tires with
Full Size Spare Tire
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N*******1
发帖数: 339 | 48 今天2012年 LEXUS ES350 WITH NAVIGATION DEALER 报价 $37,500 before TTL. 请问
是个好价钱吗？
另外 ES350 2012 without navigation (but added special headlamp) 报 36，300.
这车车门上有个给人开门时撞的小小DENT。
谢谢！ |
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t**********3
发帖数: 12623 | 49 大灯：headlamp
远光：high beam
不过你说的对，有些不要脸的事，确实只有肥力猫能做的出来 |
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c*****r
发帖数: 529 | 50 HID is included in P2?
What's its full name? Bi-Xenon headlamps w/active curve illumination ? |
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