p******a 发帖数: 413 | 1 Sig Ultra Compact P238 .380ACP
Single Action with Safety,很像是小版1911
我喜歡all steel frame,所以入了HD,槍身比普通版重了不少,可能有些違背carry的
初衷,但是相比HK P30(也算是Compact Gun了),實在是方便不少。
原廠彈夾為6發,Sig還出了7發加pinky grip的彈夾附件,平時Carry的時候用。
本來以為小槍後坐力不小,但是可能因為.380速度慢,再加上All Steel Frame的原因
,打起來跟P30感覺差不多。。。雖然沒有P30的Grip那麼舒適。
原廠附送的Holster挺好,但是是OWB的,我覺得這麼小的槍更適合IWB。這個屬於個人
喜好問題了。
至於精準度,普通的PMC .380 FMJ子彈7 Yard連洞沒問題。這種小的Carry Gun應該不
會打10米意外的目標吧。況且才7發子彈,如果真要用到,也應該是在幫助逃跑的時候
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w****o 发帖数: 783 | 2 concealed carry with proper holster ....
Damn,楼又歪了 |
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k*******n 发帖数: 5546 | 8
有些不同意:
1.那些枪走火的警察和老枪民,并不是因为控制不了枪,而是因为人总可能会有疏忽、
犯错、脑子迷糊的时候,特别是和枪接触得越多越久,概率就相对越高。聪明人正是意
识到凡事可能百密一疏,才会找一个自己能接受的,简洁与保险的平衡。比如有人选择
不上膛携带,也比如有人是要么击锤DA带,要么striker fired上膛上保险+好枪套。
就像之前大宝提到的serpa holster问题,当然多练习就能减少出问题的机率,或者拔枪
时选择用中指解锁等。但还是会有人买ALS这种大拇指解锁的,就像很多训练量大的课程
不让用Serpa一样,我猜他们估计人一下打成百上千发子弹容易麻木,拔几十上百次枪犯
错的概率会增加。只有傻子才认为自己永远不会犯错。
2.上膛一般需要两只手,而且上膛比开保险动作大得多。 所以不好比较。
如果Glock生产带Thumb Safety的型号,设计和人机会比上面图中的好很多,参考M&P/1911.
纯讨论啊。 : ) |
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m**********s 发帖数: 754 | 9 Glock G19,带起来还是很容易的,只要holster选得合适 |
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b*****e 发帖数: 5133 | 10 kydex tactical IWB 菜刀 holster看来有市场需求。 |
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h*********2 发帖数: 2508 | 11 嗯 但拿着轻飘飘,好象就个空壳,不如saiga丰满
不少holster的好deal, 本来打算周末再去挑一个的,结果没抽出时间来,白交了三天
的门票钱 |
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t******g 发帖数: 17520 | 13 唉, 都要慢慢往里倒钱, 换了slide release, mag release, xx刀
买了night sights, xx刀, 2个 mag xx刀, 如果换弹簧, connector , 再买个电筒
, +一起都值2/3把枪了 |
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s*******n 发帖数: 12995 | 14 yes for all your questions. safty is for cork and lock carry, but without decorker, you need to be very careful to manually decork the pistol.
my experience for DA pistol is , you need to be very careful to reholst the pistol to IWB holster. even it is decorked, sometimes because the IWB ususally too tight, it actually will push the slide to eject the live round and cock the pistol before you know it. then you will be in a very dangerous cock carry without safety. |
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H****y 发帖数: 221 | 15 Thumb on hammer
decorker, you need to be very careful to manually decork the pistol.
the pistol to IWB holster. even it is decorked, sometimes because the IWB
ususally too tight, it actually will push the slide to eject the live round
and cock the pistol before you know it. then you will be in a very
dangerous cock carry without safety. |
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S**********s 发帖数: 4534 | 16 Some locals at Prado Olympic Shooting Park have been running an IPSC
style shooting club. $30, 6 stages, opens to public, every 1st sunday
of the month.
I went there today and had about a dozen people in my group (all
newbies with production gun) and the event took almost 6 hours. But it
was probably the best $30 I've spent in a long time, even though
everyone shoots only about 150rds. Watching others shoot (including
some master class shooters with their custom race guns)was great
learning expe... 阅读全帖 |
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k*******n 发帖数: 5546 | 17 哈哈 照片拍得不错。
一把几乎全新的M&P45,加了全套APEX 45 DUTY/CARRY ACTION ENHANCEMENT KIT,
还有原厂的零件,一套holster,一共才
$500出头,你想想南加最近枪店的生意火爆,找个deal不容易,又正好是你要求的
“随便操不心疼”我觉得就算不错啦。就您老当时那慢劲儿,不给点您压力不行啊。:) |
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o****n 发帖数: 1520 | 18 和周边的其他靶场比,是贵一些。不过马州这边去过的人,对它评价还好:
http://www.mdshooters.com/showthread.php?t=80553
No you can bring your own ammo as long as its not explosive or penetrator.
Monday mornings are normally the best time to go unless it's a holiday. You
can police up and save your brass if you reload. You can also practice
drawing and shooting from the holster/concealed carry. I really like
shooting at the NRA Range. It's very well run, equipment is well maintained
and there are plenty of RSOs available to help or ... 阅读全帖 |
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k*******n 发帖数: 5546 | 19 除了G19 和 M&Pc(and shield), 带击锤的p239 uspc也不大,配个好holster,穿个带条格的
短袖,不难ccw. |
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n*********i 发帖数: 567 | 20 CCW的话用一个把扳机全部都挡住的holster就好了吧。只要不把枪拔出来就没事。 |
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m******V 发帖数: 1291 | 22 order了BlackHawk Serpa从amazon。 |
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H****r 发帖数: 16240 | 23 http://www.facebook.com/cheaperthandirt/posts/10150809429609324
Friday Factoid: The City of Los Angeles, California, bans the purchase or
possession of any holster designed to fit a pistol of less than 6.75 inches
in overall length. In fact, the city banned the sale of any "accessories
used to enable the concealment of ultracompact firearms." How's that working
out for you, LA?
黑哥们哪需要枪套,都是直接揣裤腰上的 |
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S**********s 发帖数: 4534 | 24 It's hard to find a holster that truely fits the SIG.
This is not a full size gun though. |
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S**********s 发帖数: 4534 | 25 Well, that's all the more reason that you should get a gun that doesn't give
you holster jam because the slide is designed to do that. |
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g*****h 发帖数: 642 | 26 nnd,刚刚才反应过来应该是S&W,难怪上十大了。。。你们都是坏人。。。。。。 我
还在想,S&M有什么不对呢?不是smith什么的吗?
也懒得改了,anyway,我觉得8发装口袋比较勉强,而且估计不好拿,我觉得还是IWB比
较好,而且枪很窄,你下次可以自己来试试,我买了两个holster,一个Fobus Paddle
,还一个是简单的IWB的。
26号或者27号我和裁缝做的应该会去枪展,一起去吧,然后去ASC现试,呵呵 |
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d*****h 发帖数: 1266 | 27 口袋枪建议用Remora holster,用普通得iwb把枪小巧便携得有势掩盖了。
很方便,放口袋里或夹腰带都行,穿没皮带的运动裤也可以用,穿比基尼都行!
Paddle |
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a***a 发帖数: 8941 | 28 Problem is, since there is a manual safety, even you do not use it, when you
draw the gun and shoot, you still need an action of turning off the safety
just in case you forgot to turn safety off after holstering
If you don't do that, some day it may happen that you draw the gun and pull
the trigger but no fire, because the safety is on |
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s*******n 发帖数: 12995 | 29 你的顶火是啥定义? 只是子弹上膛还是已经cock了?
给童鞋们提醒一下,不要以为不上膛携带就是安全的,特别是IWB. 我以前就发生过,
1911子弹不上膛,但IWB通常较紧,一次holster的时候,没注意用力大了点。等后来拔
枪的时候,赫然发现枪已经load&cock,当然safety不会on, 冷汗当时就下来了,当然
1911有grip safety还好点儿, 要是没有grip safety 的枪呢? 从此之后,我佩1911一
定是cock & lock.
P7的好处是佩带的时候没法cock. |
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M*******0 发帖数: 1502 | 30 我很满意!再也不用担心1911会从树上掉下来了。。。。。。
另外,上了RAIL之后没有灯也插不进原来BALCKHAWK LEVEL 3的枪套了。 |
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d*****h 发帖数: 1266 | 34 灯不错呀。
建议换个G10 VZ grip加Pearce finger groove insert或手指部分贴个3m防滑纸
这个grip,手指放的地方,突出的部分是空心的也很薄,一用力抓就下陷,打得多热的
时候,这个胶还有要融化的感觉。 |
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M*******0 发帖数: 1502 | 35 谢了!
这个GRIP确实没有经过多少战火的洗礼。 |
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d*****h 发帖数: 1266 | 37 可以看看raven的枪套,有带灯系统的。还可以订做。 |
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n****e 发帖数: 6292 | 38 本来ccw左轮只有五六发,现在还要少一发。。
左轮的蛋巢实在膈得慌,有啥好holster推荐? |
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k*******n 发帖数: 5546 | 39 想享受拔枪就射,每次扳机力一致的好处,就得承担走火概率增加的风险;
想享受额外保险的好处,就得承担想射却safety on的风险,要多练习;
想享受不上膛的安心,就得承担来不及上膛的风险。
只谈走火风险,不谈出枪速度。
#1
Striker Fired Action没额外保险上膛带, 如glock,风险是相对高了一些,只能自己时刻保持
警惕。我自问没法常年保持高度警惕,所以是不会选择这种的,我不从事高危工作,不需要把
备战状态提得这么高。除非不上膛。
#2
SA或者SFA, Thumb Safety, 相对安全点,SFA还可以插入枪套后safety off,但得狂练拇指压
保险。我个人比较喜欢。比如1911,CZ的带保险的型号,FNS,M&P with MS。当然xd(m)
的握把保险也是另一个方案。
#3
DA/SA decock带,安全得多,但练第一枪DA是逃不掉的,而且有hammer比较占地方。很多
人的首选,我一个很怕事的亲戚,这么带了很多年。
#4
当然像Berreta HK FN,可以上膛,Decock,再Safety on, 最后holster. 这种上膛携带风险相
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k*******n 发帖数: 5546 | 40 一把M&P,上膛,Safety on,holster, 床头柜.
理由:
没人会碰它,我有信心,走火概率很低很低。
我比较迷糊,怕一忙活,给忘了上膛。
情况不明时不想发出声音。 |
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k*******n 发帖数: 5546 | 41 打过不下10把HK, 一直在努力回忆扳机是否是超差,记得除了DA涩点长点,对于自卫距离也
没啥。BTW,熟悉下用食指向下按mag release,也不是那么让人难以接受。: )
注意第一个视频里的胖叔叔,用的中指解锁serpa holster. |
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b*****e 发帖数: 5133 | 42 对bladetech枪套印象一般,可能是raven concealment的比那个强多了。raven
concealment的套子不用retention screw,但retention好得很,magpul那帮人喜欢是
有原因的,raven concealment的套子用在IDPA/USPSA只要出发前枪在套内retention稍
微好了些,拔枪需要多用力些,但出套感觉很好很滑,对于需要带着手枪跌打滚爬的
multigun比赛很适合。multigun和ACTS(american confederation of tactical
shooters)中用raven concealment的很多。
bladetech的single mag pouch可以,double的是垃圾(个人认为的),相比之下,comp-
tac的double mag pouch是两个single连在一起,retention单独调节,缺点是间隔固定
无法调整。总之,紧挨着的double mag pouch而且只用一个retention screw的基本都
是垃圾。现在我用的是ready tactical的mag po... 阅读全帖 |
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b*****e 发帖数: 5133 | 43 大杀器!speed holster都上了,我觉得离open division不遥远了。
现在发帖都兴埋伏笔啊。
不卖关子了吧,新装备(二)呢? |
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s*******n 发帖数: 12995 | 44 这个枪套就是Desantis Speed Scabbard Holster。
紧贴身体,conceal的功能好,一点儿也不输给IWB。
为了break in, 我有意的带了整整8个小时,一点也没觉的累,而且做事几乎都没有啥
影响。
拔枪速度不错(所以叫speed).
考虑跟我的1911也配一个,代替我的blackhawk serpa. |
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z*****d 发帖数: 672 | 45 Experience I have with my 100% NH made SP2022 is pretty positive so far. I
have shot 300 FMJs through it and have not had any FTE or FTF. With the very
first 30 rounds, the gun ejects the casing straight back to my face, but
after some break in it worked flawlessly. I did a comparison with my friend'
s 92FS last Friday, and I have to say I am very happy about the 2022.
Pros:
My first Sig at half the price.It is dirt cheap even with the factory night
sight. "操着一点都不心疼"
It is beefier (slide and oth... 阅读全帖 |
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a***a 发帖数: 8941 | 46 Glock is safe or not, that is another issue.
Let's just compare a loaded Glock and a loaded and cocked:
Which one is safer for drawing and hosltering?
Which one is safer when carried inside a holster? |
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d******8 发帖数: 384 | 47 来自主题: GunsAndGears版 - 求推荐枪套 我刚刚order了raven的holster 和 mag pouch,需要等4个月才到货。
尤其适合owb,也可以iwb(需要另买配件)
你可以查询一下网上的评价。 |
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H******S 发帖数: 6011 | 48 Breaking news(AP) -- A Texas man who claimed the state's version of a stand-
your-ground law allowed him to fatally shoot a neighbor after an argument
about a party has been convicted of murder.
HOUSTON (FOX 26) -
A former firefighter who claimed self-defense in the fatal shooting of a
teacher, was found guilty of murder by a jury Friday evening.
What happened that night is pretty clear, at least to prosecutor Donna Logan.
"This is a case of a neighborhood bully armed with a CHL an arsenal of
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b*****e 发帖数: 5133 | 49 kydex 套子不便宜,再说名声也给magpul搞大了。
要差不多设计的,看看shibumi tactical和hideous holster两家的山寨货。 |
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a***a 发帖数: 8941 | 50 I also got bigbore's gift.
Thanks a lot!
I placed an order online for a Raven holster for P30, with short cut
but will need to wait for 16-18 weeks .............. :( |
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