l**********n
发帖数: 8443 | 1 Franklin D. Roosevelt, through General Stilwell, privately made it clear
that they preferred that the French not reacquire French Indochina (modern
day Vietnam, Cambodia, and Laos) after the war was over. Roosevelt offered
Chiang Kai-shek control of all of Indochina. It was said that Chiang Kai-
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r*****y
发帖数: 53800 | 2 http://www.militaryhistoryonline.com/wwii/articles/singapore.as
Bicycle Blitzkreig
The Japanese Conquest of Malaya and Singapore 1941-1942
by Allen Parfitt
On the first day of 1941 a bespectacled Japanese staff Colonel named Tsuji
Masanobu reported to a modest building in Taipei. His job was to head a
military small research department. The task of this unit of 30 officers,
enlisted men and civilian workers was to plan a possible southward attack by
the Japanese Army to conquer South Asia and th... 阅读全帖 |
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c****x
发帖数: 6601 | 3 好我们来说一下。
1. 是否能用这件事来证明中国人的贪婪和领土野心？是否能用这件事来证明中国共产
党政权在实力扩张后的领土野心？
首先，我们来谈谈国民党的定位。国民党，翻译成 Chinese Nationalist Party，可以
看出是民族主义者政党的意思。二战胜利后，中国最高领袖是怎么对待越南的？
当年罗斯福提出建议把越南纳入中国统治之下，当时的蒋介石拒绝了这件事。一个民族
主义者的政党，清晰明确自己本民族的主权利益边界，没有贪婪扩张领土，反而支持越
南的独立。另外，有关琉球的部分，琉球虽长期为中国属国，在1943年罗斯福询问是否
蒋介石要收琉球，蒋介石认为琉球应该独立。
这能够证明作为一个民族主义为意识形态的中国贪婪么？
Late in the war, with Japan and Nazi Germany nearing defeat, US President
Franklin D. Roosevelt privately decided that the French should not reacquire
their colonial property of Fre... 阅读全帖 |
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发帖数: 6723 | 4 【 以下文字转载自 Mod_CHN_Hist 讨论区 】
发信人: Mayingba (吳鐘學), 信区: Mod_CHN_Hist
标 题: 奉天兵工厂
发信站: BBS 未名空间站 (Sun Jan 28 20:29:57 2018, 美东)
https://wwiiafterwwii.wordpress.com/2017/04/03/mukden-arsenal-after-wwii/
Mukden Arsenal after WWII
April 3, 2017 jwh19752 Comments
(Zhang's Gate, the old entrance to Mukden Arsenal)
For people interested in Japanese firearms of WWII, the name Mukden Arsenal
is familiar. The history of the facility after Japan's defeat is less well
known. Under various names, it did surv... 阅读全帖 |
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m***y
发帖数: 14763 | 5 But to be perfectly honest, 当时中国的客观条件决定咱们支撑不住北越继续打下去
is just an excuse. It was China that prevented VietCom from uniting the
whole Indochina. They were already capable to do that on their own resource
(well, probably with some help from Big Brother).
When they took the real actions, China stepped in them at the first stop (
Cambodia). First, it was a proxy war in Cambodia. Then, after getting
support from U.S., China started a direct exchange of fire with Vietcom,
which eventually exhausted them... 阅读全帖 |
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M***e
发帖数: 836 | 6 人越军貌似很牛啊，一直在打仗
Engagements *World War II (Anti-Japanese Campaign 1944–1945)
* First Indochina War (Against France and French-sponsored local forces,
1946–1954)
* Second Indochina War (Vietnam War) (Against the United States and
South Vietnamese forces, 1954–1975)
* Cambodian-Vietnamese War (Against the Khmer Rouge, 1977–1989)
* Sino-Vietnamese War (Against China, 1979)
* Sino-Vietnamese border conflicts (border clashes with China, 1979-1990)
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发帖数: 6723 | 7 来自主题: Mod_CHN_Hist版 - 奉天兵工厂 https://wwiiafterwwii.wordpress.com/2017/04/03/mukden-arsenal-after-wwii/
Mukden Arsenal after WWII
April 3, 2017 jwh19752 Comments
(Zhang's Gate, the old entrance to Mukden Arsenal)
For people interested in Japanese firearms of WWII, the name Mukden Arsenal
is familiar. The history of the facility after Japan's defeat is less well
known. Under various names, it did survive for some time, producing an odd
mix of WWII weapons after the war's end.
(Mukden Arsenal proofmark during WWII)
Mukden an... 阅读全帖 |
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发帖数: 743 | 8 * The Talk Of The Town (10/12/2010)
(South China Morning Post) Barry Sautman and Yan Hairong October 12,
2010.
In non-peace related fields, there are Nobel Prizes and, somewhat
less famously, "Ig Nobel Prizes". A group of scientists presents the latter
annually, as a joke, but also to make a point about undeserving activity in
their fields. One of the winners of this year's Nobel prize for physics had,
several years back, also received an Ig Nobel prize.
The award of ... 阅读全帖 |
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发帖数: 7325 | 10 ☆─────────────────────────────────────☆
fead (fead) 于 (Thu Mar 18 11:26:07 2010, 美东) 提到:
据说是自卫反击战。为啥越南这么大胆子？明摆着打不赢啊。
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genghishan (大汉) 于 (Thu Mar 18 11:29:46 2010, 美东) 提到:
日本侵华战争是怎么打起来的？据说是华北国军绑架了日军士兵，为啥中国这么大胆子
？明摆着打不赢呀。
”自卫反击战“不过是政治宣传而已，打不打，什么时候打，弱国能有发言权吗？
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father (father 是 single 的) 于 (Thu Mar 18 11:30:58 2010, 美东) 提到:
就是中国入侵越南，教训他们灭了红色高棉，所谓自卫反击战，就是幌子。
目前洪森就是成功的柬版汪精卫，成者王侯啊
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发帖数: 10426 | 11 Hilly flanks这个core的形成是在9500BC，所以在黄河、长江谷地的文明不是Hilly
flanks的人过去的，也不是受Hilly Flanks的辐射产生的。两者其实是相对独立的。
作者：
The end of the Ice Age changed the meaning of geography. The poles remained
cold and the equator remained hot, of course, but in half a dozen places
between these extremes—what, in Chapter 2, I will call the original cores—
warmer weather combined with local geography to favor the evolution of
plants and/or animals that humans could domesticate. Domesticated plants and
animals meant more food, w... 阅读全帖 |
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发帖数: 12655 | 12 以民国的能力，最后多半还是独立
就是土共对外也是不打到边境上能忍就忍
国力还是不行
校长做的大好事是在南海画了七条线
所以地图开疆也是好的 |
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w**h
发帖数: 1121 | 13 http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pursuit_of_Nazi_collaborators
France
After the liberation, France was briefly swept by a wave of executions of
suspected collaborators. Women who were suspected of having romantic
liaisons with Germans, or, more often, of being German prostitutes, were
publicly humiliated by having their heads shaved. Those who had engaged in
the black market were also stigmatized as "war profiteers" (profiteurs de
guerre). However, the Provisional Government of the French Republic (... 阅读全帖 |
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c**i
发帖数: 6973 | 14 (A) Well, there are a few errors in your posting.
(1) You say, "一山不容二虎，苏联当时已经占领到了波兰东部，苏军和德国的石油供
应通道罗马利亚仅隔了一条河，这意味着德国的咽喉已经快被苏联掐在手里。"
You are silly. Both moves you discussed had been agreed upon between Germany
and Soviet Union, before they happened. Germany was not caught flatfooted
at all.
Molotov–Ribbentrop Pact
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Molotov-Ribbentrop_Pact
(sectio 4 The Molotov-Ribbentrop Pact and its secret protocol)
(2)
(a) You wrote, "掐住日本资源咽喉让他喘不过气的不是别人，就是美国！美国声明日
本不撤出中国，就切断日本的石油，粮食... 阅读全帖 |
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m****i
发帖数: 99 | 15 不能完全这么说，1979的中越战争大概有几个方面的因数：
1 中苏关系破裂，这个大家都知道，越南在前期比较中立，后期当越战进行到大规模的
围歼战时，越南更需要苏联的先进武器，期间中国爆发文革，援助越南
的力度有所减弱，红卫兵还曾经抢劫过运去越南的枪械，物质。
2 胡志明去世，新上任的领导人受苏联的影响更大。
3 中美关系正常话，这个越南非常愤怒。
4 越南自己是帝国主义的受害者，但在Indochina，他却有一种帝国主义情绪，侵略老
挝，柬埔寨。
5 海外华人，越南抄袭了中国的土地革命，和公有化，在南越的华人比较富庶，越南人
通过教育一些华裔，让这些华裔批斗华商，
强行公有化华商的财产，货币改革以1：500的比例兑换新货币和旧货币，这几个措
施基本是把华商搞的一贫如洗，越南当时通货膨胀好几百，30多万
华人被送到最艰苦的地方生活。
在中国停止了对越大概20亿美金的援助时，越南大量驱逐华裔，华裔要出极为昂贵的船
票，大部分女性遭到强奸，12岁少女都不能幸免。越南政府从船票中
收入接近4亿美金。中国政府要求派船接难民，越南要求必须两天完成，后来双方谈崩。
6 越南膨胀的军事... 阅读全帖 |
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m****i
发帖数: 99 | 16 越南的历史之所以引人入胜是因为在越南可以看到
大三角：苏联－中国－美国的角逐
看看中国如何在两强中博弈
可以看到共产主义信念如何在民族主义的浪潮中分崩离析。
可以看到越南同时是帝国主义的受害者，同时在Indochina中扮演帝国主义的角色。 |
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发帖数: 54598 | 17 不奇怪，纳粹元首本人就亲华
校长跟元首的关系好着呢
后来仅仅是因为日本的反对，才使得中德交恶
纳粹援助校长不是新闻
我早说了，抗战时候，苏联，美国和纳粹德国几乎都在援助中国
能得到三大对立阵营boss同时垂青的
当时除了中国，别无二家
维基上今天抗日战争条目里面都还有留有这三个国家援助中国的段落
German support
Main article: Sino-German cooperation (1911–1941)
Prior to the outbreak of the war, Germany and China had close economic and
military cooperation, with Germany helping China modernize its industry and
military in exchange for raw materials. More than half of the German arms
exports during its rearmament period were to China. Neverthel... 阅读全帖 |
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R*I
发帖数: 1840 | 18 小白兔这个冤啊，人家本来是人畜无害
http://www.ft.com/cms/s/0/4f19a01e-d2f1-11e0-9aae-
00144feab49a.html#axzz1Wc29O400
Water is the new weapon in Beijing’s armoury
By Brahma Chellaney
The writer is a professor at the independent Centre for Policy Research
in
New Delhi and author of Water: Asia’s New Battleground
China has aroused international alarm by using its virtual monopoly of
rare
earths as a trade instrument and by stalling multilateral efforts to
resolve
disputes in the South China Sea. Among its neighbou... 阅读全帖 |
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H****g
发帖数: 14447 | 19 1. 证实了毛泽东1975年写给周恩来这首诗。
《江山靠谁守·诉衷情》
当年忠贞为国筹，
何曾怕断头？
如今天下红遍，
江山靠谁守？
业未竟，
身躯倦，
鬓已秋。
你我之辈，
忍将夙愿，
付与东流？
2. 证实了1976年之前根本没有所谓饿死三千万或者大饥荒之说。
3. 毛泽东1975年的担心，或者说1964年的担心，都变成了现实。
4. 毛泽东唯一的遗产就是留给人民的造反精神，终将成燎原之火。
Mao Tse-Tung: Father of Chinese Revolution
By Fox Butterfield
Special to The New York Times
HONG KONG, Sept. 9--Mao Tse-tung, who began as an obscure peasant, died one
of history's great revolutionary figures.
Born at a time when China was wracked by civil strife, beset with terrible
poverty and enc... 阅读全帖 |
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y*h
发帖数: 25423 | 20
日本当然用“支那”两字汉字，直接来源上可能是来源于中国汉传佛教的经书。支那在
日语中的读音和英文不很类似，它在日文中发“西那”的音，这个词从根源上是源于梵
语，从中国通过佛教传到日本。支那在日语罗马字母拼音中的写法是shina或者sina。
支那这个词本无贬义，后来清朝衰落后日本认为中华文化已失先进性，于是全面西化，
很多用词由汉语改为外来语，另外日本当时认为满清作为落后的蛮夷并非中华正源，所
以不以中华而以清后来以支那称呼中国，由于近代中国相对日本落后孱弱，支那就慢慢
变成侮辱性的代称了，一直到现在都仍然是。实际上日本官方在某些地理名称上现在仍
然使用支那这个词，不过由于中日历史关系的问题，不再用汉字，而改用假名来写支那
，比如南中国海叫做“南シナ海”，シナ即为支那的片假名拼音写法，对于这些官方用
法中国政府并无异议，而且中国也使用从日本引进的个别带支那的词语，比如
Indochina peninsula日语在战前即使用“印度支那半岛”的汉字来翻译，中国也同样
使用直到现在，日本则在战后改为片假名写法インドシナ半島，注意其中的China仍是
支那的发音而并未按照音译改成拆那或漆那。... 阅读全帖 |
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发帖数: 5617 | 21 http://news.yahoo.com/legendary-vietnam-gen-vo-nguyen-giap-dies
Vo Nguyen Giap dies -- Legendary Vietnam Geneneral
MARGIE MASON and CHRIS BRUMMITT45 minutes ago
HANOI, Vietnam (AP) — Vo Nguyen Giap, the brilliant and ruthless self-
taught general who drove the French out of Vietnam to free it from colonial
rule and later forced the Americans to abandon their grueling effort to save
the country from communism, has died. At age 102, he was the last of
Vietnam's old-guard revolutionaries.
Giap died... 阅读全帖 |
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发帖数: 48111 | 22 探不上驱逐。 indochina那边都是一个调调。 对有钱人（主要是华人）没收财产，
关劳改集中营。 要么饿死累死， 要么受不了自己跑掉了。
我高中有个老师就是越南华裔５０年代归国的。 还会讲法语。 ９０年代这可真是人
才。 有年法国来了个团， 省长还专门请她去作陪。 |
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r*****i
发帖数: 581 | 23 能不能有点文化啊
印度支那半岛（中文为避开“支那”一词，称中南半岛），英语称为Indochina，法语
称为Indochine，指印度和中国之间的部分，脱离殖民统治之前基本分为英属印度支那
和法属印度支那，你说的是French indochine，不是French China。中国的交趾只占越
南东北部的一小部分。
本版大部分老将小将毛轮对喷，好歹大家还尽量讲讲理摆摆事实，哪怕是车轱辘话，而
你发的回的意淫脑补玩意儿我估摸着老将们都嫌你丢人没文化
顺便说一句，鸡这种鸟类生物，生殖系统仅在繁殖季节膨大并产生功能，非繁殖季节其
生殖系统便会萎缩，即便解剖也很难发现，根本就没有所谓的鸡巴 |
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发帖数: 7933 | 24 貌似讀書不認真啊，越南叫做French Indochina，您老把印度支那的印度給省了。
當時法國殖民者建立了印度支那的五個省，越南是其中三個。 |
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r*****8
发帖数: 2560 | 25 不要太愤青了，“支那”是China的音译。例如“印度支那半岛 -- indochina
Penisula”
西方人说“China”不是天天说吗。 |
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w*********r
发帖数: 42116 | 26 中新网的报道：
当地时间5月24日出版的加拿大《明报》发自温哥华的报道称，近日，温哥华旧货摊出
售一本1947年版本的《Collier’s World Atlas and Gazetteer》的地图兼地理词典，
由于是旧版图书，品相有点破烂，内里的地图也不像现代地图那样色彩缤纷，几乎无人
问津。
该词典中收录的一幅地图由Rand McNally公司绘制，其题目为《中国、法属印度、暹罗
、及韩国的大众地图》 (Popular Map of China, French Indochina, Siam, and
Korea) 。地图将中国、越南、与泰国并列在一起，故此南海也包含在内。内中地图对
中国南海岛礁有详细描述，部分岛礁更明确标明主权属于中国。
更有意思的是，报道称，地图在Paracel Islands(中方称西沙群岛)名字之下，特别加
入(China)标签，显示地图绘制者将“西沙群岛”列入中国版图之内。
出版该词典的1947年，在历史上是颇为微妙的一年，也可能是中国及美国关系有史以来
最为密切的一年。第二次世界大战刚刚结束。战时中、美两国是盟国，共同应对同一个
敌人，抗击日本的侵略。... 阅读全帖 |
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发帖数: 994 | 27 查了下英文版，钢铁等禁运是在日本入侵法属印度支那之后，是40年九月，而石油对日
供应一直到41年七月。就算共党及时掌握了当时的情报，那时美日也没彻底翻脸，美国
还普遍担心得罪日本。共党没理由当时就把美蒋合流当成是对日致命一击。
而且从后文“但蒋是站在抗战立场。。。”，也可以看出“黑暗”并不是指日本加速灭
亡。
In 1940, Japan invaded French Indochina in an effort to control
supplies reaching China. The United States halted shipments of airplanes,
parts, machine tools, and aviation gasoline to Japan, which
was perceived by Japan as an unfriendly act.[nb 7] The U.S. did not
stop oil exports to Japan at that time in part b... 阅读全帖 |
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r*****y
发帖数: 53800 | 28 Japan
Estimates for total Japanese war dead from 1937-1945 range from at least 2.5
million[447] to 3.237 million[73]
Military Dead
According to John W. Dower Japanese government sources put Japanese war dead
from 1937-1941 in the Second Sino-Japanese War at 185,467[448]
In 1949 the report of the Japanese government Economic Stabilization Board
put military war dead from December 1941 to December 21, 1946 at 1,555,308
Killed and 309,402 wounded[449][450] These figures do not include an
additional... 阅读全帖 |
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h***n
发帖数: 1275 | 30 坡的港式炒饭 泰式炒饭 还有Indochina style 炒饭绝对一绝
: 扬州炒饭亮了。
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w*********r
发帖数: 42116 | 32 It emphasizes the cultural influence on the area of Indian civilization and
Chinese civilization |
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i*0
发帖数: 1192 | 34 这是哪里来的话呀？印度支那有两个含义，广义的是包括整个印度次大陆。
狭义的就包括寮国，越南和柬埔寨。
倒是有个交趾支那和越南有关，是越南南部的一部分。 |
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m***n
发帖数: 12188 | 35 不对，不是越南叫做印度支那，而是后来无知的西方人似乎把这俩概念混淆了，大概因
为一个电影《印度支那》的原因。
印度支那原本是指中南半岛（中国南部），是西方人对中南半岛的称呼。意思是印度和
中国之间
后来法国建立的殖民地，叫做法属印度支那，类似法属非洲之类，意思是属于法国的印
度支那，别的还有属于英国的，暂时独立的，等等。
不过英国没有用英属印度支那这个词，因为英国殖民地有自己的历史沿袭，开始是东印
度公司，国有化以后的印缅殖民地，维多利亚又加冕为印度女皇，还有马来亚殖民地，
沙巴殖民地，沙捞越殖民地，等等。 |
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k**u
发帖数: 10502 | 37 Chinese来自词根Chin,即秦的发音
当年从中国传到波斯后，再向西传入欧洲
Chin (波斯语罗马拼音）
China
Chinese
Chino （西班牙语）
Chinensis （拉丁文）
类似的Indo为印度的词根
India
Indochina:印度和中国之间的地带
Indonesia
India
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m***y
发帖数: 14763 | 38 Back to OP, yes, 胡志明在世的话能阻止中越决裂血战, because he perfectly
understood Chinese, and would never underestimate Chineses' resolution to
divide and conquer Indochina. |
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f*******e
发帖数: 1061 | 39 你为波兰辩护连对方的理由都搬过来了，真够精神分裂的。
凭什么的事情多了，
凭什么英法德在低地国家打仗德国是侵略而英法不是？
凭什么日本人炸了美国舰队要吃原子弹而英国端了法国舰队屁事没有？
凭什么日本占了法国的IndoChina是侵略而英国占领法国的黎巴嫩和叙利亚不是？
凭什么德国建集中营是最大恶极，而英美建是合情合理？
我都不用提时间太远和太近的，这些都是二战事发生的事
。。。。。。。。。。。凭什么。。。。。。。。 |
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r*****y
发帖数: 53800 | 40 转进得再多也无法解释只有德国算侵略毛子不算侵略。
凭什么英法德在低地国家打仗德国是侵略而英法不是？
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低地国家允许英法联军进入他们的国境而未允许德国。
凭什么日本人炸了美国舰队要吃原子弹而英国端了法国舰队屁事没有？
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法国要有原子弹，当然可以投到英国。
凭什么日本占了法国的IndoChina是侵略而英国占领法国的黎巴嫩和叙利亚不是？
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在法国看来都是侵略。
凭什么德国建集中营是最大恶极，而英美建是合情合理？
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德国建集中营种族灭绝大屠杀，英美建集中营进行了种族灭绝大屠杀吗？
你这种低级问题完全是混淆问题的本质。 |
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S*********g
发帖数: 24893 | 41 懂英文吗？知道1955年发动越战的哪个总统吗？
The Vietnam War was a Cold War-era military conflict that occurred in
Vietnam, Laos, and Cambodia from 1 November 1955 to the fall of Saigon on 30
April 1975. This war followed the First Indochina War and was fought
between North Vietnam, supported by its communist allies, and the government
of South Vietnam, supported by the United States and other anti-communist
countries.[28] The Viet Cong (also known as the National Liberation Front,
or NLF), a lightly armed South Vie... 阅读全帖 |
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c**i
发帖数: 6973 | 42 But among Asians in US, only East Asians (Chinese, Taiwanese, Koreans and
Japanese) are high achievers. And Americans know that. So there is a plan to
help Asians from Indochina (as US has quite a few of them). |
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s*******s
发帖数: 9926 | 43
As of 1990 the majority of Asians living in the Paris area are ethnic
Chinese originating from several countries.[1] The largest group includes
ethnic Chinese from Indochina, and a smaller group originates from Zhejiang.
[2]
As of 1990, in the City of Paris there were 7,590 Chinese citizens and 1,272
former Chinese citizens naturalized as French. The combined total was 8,862
. During that year, in the City of Paris there were 128 Taiwanese citizens
and 36 former Taiwanese citizens naturalized a... 阅读全帖 |
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s******n
发帖数: 518 | 44 from wiki:
Through the 1930s, Japan's military needed imported oil for airplanes and
warships. It was dependent at 90% on imports, 80% of it coming from the
United States.[31] Furthermore, the vast majority of this oil import was
oriented towards the Navy and the military.[32] America opposed Tokyo's
expansionist policies in China and Indochina and in 1940–41 decided to stop
supplying the oil Japan was using for military expansion against American
allies. On July 26, 1940 the U.S. government pas... 阅读全帖 |
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d*********2
发帖数: 48111 | 45 扯淡, 大部分老美不仅taiwan, 连马来西亚都认为是中国的, 或者跟中国有瓜葛的.
要不是跟越南打了一仗, indochina也是中国的了. |
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A*V
发帖数: 3528 | 47 可以考虑使用美军二战时期的大比例地图，网址不知是否会删：
三W.lib.utexas.edu/maps/ams/
国家级的地图的比例尺基本是25万分之1，城市地图可达万分之一甚至更大。 和我
们相关的主要是：
China, Series ， China City Plans，Indochina and Thailand，Indonesia，Japan,
Korea, Philippines，Taiwan 及 Formosa City Plans。我们应该考虑列出几个主
要地图，在上面随时加注我们的建设进展，同时大家讨论时，可给出美军设定的地图编
号，这样便于查找。 |
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