T*********k
发帖数: 1621 | 1 This guy is an extremely good online poker player (if he is indeed one
person, not a team there). And he is crazy.
The day before yesterday he is multitabling Tom Durr Dwan, PA, Phil Ivey at
the same time and he played 7 tables against three of the best cash game
players in the world at the same time. Just insane.
三英战吕布. |
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a*****r
发帖数: 19 | 2 来自主题: TexasHoldem版 - 发泄一下下 玩poker的都碰到过bad beat，cash game或者MTT early stage碰到也没什么，move on
就是了，我昨天early stage也被搞的只剩700了，家常便饭。在大比赛的最后阶段被
bad beat才比较痛苦，就像phil ivey今年一样。所谓运气，除了能拿到好牌，还要算上
能躲过bad beat，呵呵。
blind
shove |
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g*******s
发帖数: 2828 | 3 full tilt. $1.5M in play |
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c**********o
发帖数: 213 | 5 这个人玩NL还是很强的，不过durrrr闪人后他就主力和Ivey, PA疯赌PLO简直是自杀。
PA玩PLO HU太强了。 |
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y********n
发帖数: 2063 | 6 another 1.1 million pot between ivey and isi
isi has the stone nuts on the flop |
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W********m
发帖数: 7793 | 7 I saw a big pot in PLO. Ivey lost an all in, flopped set of 5 vs flopped set
of As. |
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f*****g
发帖数: 15860 | 10 hand 1, no, no one looks like a retard here, you did what you could do.
again, poker is about in long term, whetehr this decision is +EV.
hand 2, like said in dusty's book, everyone, let him be doyle or ivey, goes
broke here.
hand 3, bottom 2 pair on a draw heavy board is a very troublesome hand.
he might fold his AQ AJ. The same as the bet i lead on turn. but he flip
over pocket As..
Would you play like this if you made flush on turn? He flip over K10o
without a club.. haha... river is a 1 |
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W********m
发帖数: 7793 | 11 I don't know how this started. 不过我向来是对事不对人。。 i always admit
mistake when i make it in playing. You can see i admit I made mistakes a few
times in this thread that my call all in is terrible.. but i also state my
opinion when i disagree. It is a process of improving to me. I post to see
my mistake and improve not to show i am better than anyone.. but if you
come in with insult and not helpful in discussion, honestly, i won't be nice
to you no matter you are phil Ivey or david chiu...
you start y |
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p*******p
发帖数: 13670 | 12 因为我知道很多很多人现在50NL喜欢玩fancy move,我给它们机会来bluff我呀,呵呵
他32club, 以为自己是phil ivey... 可以steal and call bluff with any crap |
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j********4
发帖数: 72 | 13 We played 0.25/0.5.
I had $60, big blind is a Loose Agggresive player, his style is like Ivey...
He had about $80
I am utg, raised to $2.5 with 25s, folded to big blind, he called. Flop 77T,
two clubs there. He bet $5 dollors, I felt he had nothing and he C-Bet on
almost all the flop, I called and planed to bluff if another club comes.
Turn J..not a club...He bet $20..which is a pretty big bet...I thought a
little while and called again..with about $30 left... My thinking is, he is
trying to bet |
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L****n
发帖数: 490 | 14 according to the book treat your poker like business, Phil Ivey 也dodge 不了
可能在 multi-pot, dry board, raise, rereaise, 再rereaise allin deep stack I
would fold |
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W********m
发帖数: 7793 | 15 这牌ivey 打坏了... he won't get paid off even if flush comes on board. |
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k***n
发帖数: 849 | 16 I think he's counting on Durrr's aggression. Durrr is known for making big
bluffs and calling down very light, so Ivey thought he'd get paid regardless
of what Durrr had. So it would have been interesting if the flush came, I
really wanted to see if Durrr would bluff at that... |
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W********m
发帖数: 7793 | 17 my personal experience of playing with agrodonks (not try to imply durr is
one) on ftp is to call down light with a top pair or over pair, AKA a decent
made hand, but not to call with draws. Because you do not have a hand,
and you are calling down big bets without the odds to draw. if you have a
monster draw against them (like what ivey does) then play it aggressively,
because their hand are usually marginal and your fold equity is the highest
against these type of player. it is the best to pla |
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k***n
发帖数: 849 | 18 Well, I guess Ivey put durrr on a polarized range (close to nuts or nothing)
, not a marginal hand like mid pair, which durrr won't keep betting. So
there's no point to try to semibluff here.
decent
highest
aggressively |
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W********m
发帖数: 7793 | 19 play his draw aggressively does not mean push so deep at flop. can raise and use his fold
equity at this situation and durr can't continue anymore. Ivey thought
for long after durr's river bet is just for show. He can't call that bet,
because his hand can't even beat all the range of a bluff. He is hoping durr
to slow down so that he could make a play in position, of course durr won't
let him. He should know better that durr can bluff 3 street then what is he waiting for with his draw hand when |
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W********m
发帖数: 7793 | 20 Bottom line is Ivey can't let go of his draws and played passively and
folded to a worse hand. There is no way he played this hand well. He is one
of my favorite player but this hand he played like those fish on NL 10$
table. |
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H*******n
发帖数: 914 | 21 晕，这是因为你知道他手上的牌，
ivey如果reraise，被reshove只能fold。
这样还能看两条街。 |
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p*******p
发帖数: 13670 | 22 任何事情都是2面性的, ivey 有13个absolute outs, against a set, he is only a
small dog, 这种draw不raise 绝对不能说是一个好的打法, 当然你可以说是meta game
但是平均来说,raise 绝对好过call, 而且要big raise, at least pot size |
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W********m
发帖数: 7793 | 23 ivey does not raise flop then raise or fold turn. Because he does not
have odds to draw on turn anymore and he can't beat a bluff on the river. If
he can't beat a bluff then don't try to catch a bluff. |
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W********m
发帖数: 7793 | 24 i doubt durr will reraise all in with that, but even if he does, ivey can
call with some good good clean outs here plus catch bluff at flop. As played
, turn call is the worst play as i have explained. |
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f*****g
发帖数: 15860 | 25 来自主题: TexasHoldem版 - 小赢一次 yes, turbo game is all about aggression at certain stages.
for tournaments, no matter who you are, even ivey, there must be sometimes
when your read is off and turn over only to see a dominated hand. but bang,
you suck out, lol.
10 BB). |
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s*********k
发帖数: 1989 | 26 Tried to play RAZZ last night to experience. Get a little bit sense.
Like to try new games, such as PLO. Anyone has similar intention.
I saw the biggies (DURRRR, Phil Ivey etc) playing 7-game ring games. Find else only know NLH. Aha, there is so much else to learn. Learning is fun.
Any recommendation on book on PLO? I order Harrington V-2/3 recently. I am
lagging in self-learning. It took over 1 month to finish Harrrington V-1. |
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f*****g
发帖数: 15860 | 27 it will take a lot of learning...
danny ashman, who's a top NLHM player (who plays with durrrr, ivey alike),
got beat up big when he started PLO in $2/4, and everyone was hunting for
him.
two typical big mistakes:
1) ppl play PLO with holdem mindset, it's hard to switch for most of ppl;
2) ppl don't realize PLO is actually a higher stake game, for example, you
should go down at least one level. ashman learned his lessons the hard way.
but now, he said he "may" take on Isildur1 in holdem if he's |
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W********m
发帖数: 7793 | 29 if you play half of your bank roll every time and only stop when you lose
them all. then the probability of your bank roll goes to 0 is 1 even if you
were phil ivey..... |
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f*****g
发帖数: 15860 | 30 算是借题发挥吧。
长期，或者即使是中短期而言，扑克真的不是什么爽事，dusty也许不是象durrrr，gus
，ivey之流名声显赫，但是他的扑克business论对于绝大多数认真的玩家(不管你玩多
大的stakes)真的是不可多得的核心思想，非常成熟。
扑克就是每天定时定量的一个工作，grind in and out，重复性的做相同或者类似的决
定，适当根据对手状态做调整，在某个时段某个stake，你的edge即使有，也是很小的
，要赢钱，基本是靠足够大的量来体现，而非running hot/bad。
5BB/100听起来很容易，一把raise别人fold可能就够了。一夜手气好对手驴，连搞10个
buy-ins的经历可能很多人都有过.....这种时候，dusty说的100 buy-ins rule，甚至
大多数pros建议的50 buy-ins rule看起来都是那么的保守，那么的"没劲"不刺激。
可是当downswing不可避免的到来，连着几把AA/KK栽在对手手下，bankroll半小时就给
wipe掉一半的时候，有多少人真正能不砸桌子怪运气? 而是重新检讨自己?
durrrr从 |
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f*****g
发帖数: 15860 | 31 you mean the game between andy beal vs. the "enterprise"?
he lost a ton (like $20M or so) and had to quit, although he's a billionair.
phil ivey took a big score for the team, but jennifer harman sucked big.
much! |
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t******b
发帖数: 56 | 32 i thought he won some $10M before losing them all to Ivey.
any, it is just 100bb or 1 buy-in :p
billionair. |
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f*****g
发帖数: 15860 | 33 as far as i can see, it's grinding for me, yes, in the end, i made some $,
but time invested was too much.
as for the fun part, i don't know, do durrrr, PA, ivey, gus and others find
fun in the game any more? at least i'm confused.
how many players out there are really like "hey, i got time today, i don't
care about losing 1K...", "i played last night just for fun, and won $2K..."
, "i won't be able to play for 2 months, so let's forget about it for a
while"...
grind+fun (% wise), i don't know i |
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h*******s
发帖数: 3932 | 35 Phil is indeed too tight. Ivey and durrr are the best in high stake cash
game. But this poker after dark seems not a traditional cash or tournament
game. It's closer to cash, right?
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Poker_After_Dark
the |
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f*****g
发帖数: 15860 | 36 as ivey said, this type of situation is no brainer, everybody goes broke
here if hit into another monster.
why we need 50x, 100x buy-ins at all? if we're that good at x level? |
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p*******p
发帖数: 13670 | 37 phil ivey也much错过牌的,还是是wsop里面,no big deal
with |
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W********m
发帖数: 7793 | 38 500+bb for a small straight. I don't know man. If you are holding the same
pay-off attidude playing 500bb stack as holding 100bb stack, I think you
will lose them all sooner or later.
phil ivey lost huge deep stack all in pot to durr with A5 to 56 before with
234 on the board too. but it is durr on the other side of the table who can
push with draws and trash. How many durr are we facing on our table? if
someone is raising 500bb all in, i will give him the benifit of doubt of
having the nuts |
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y********n
发帖数: 2063 | 39 I calculate it later on. The pot is around 250k, he needs 125k to call my
allin. He gets the odds to call my allin.
Sounds to me, I need 30BB+ to 4ball and have enough fold equity.
Full Tilt Poker Game #24020485873: $28,000 Guarantee (185563265), Table 51 -
4000/8000 Ante 1000 - No Limit Hold'em - 03:11:00 ET - 2010/09/19
Seat 1: MnRz-4BtShv (308,083)
Seat 2: loose_cannon_jj (301,934)
Seat 3: fred ivey (263,502)
Seat 4: yobabysdaddy (244,214)
Seat 7: pokercj95 (180,116)
Seat 8: rancher93 (109,11 |
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f*f
发帖数: 121 | 40 原帖： http://forumserver.twoplustwo.com/54/poker-beats-brags-variance/5-1-destroyed-my-bankroll-879948/
几个high stakes 的玩家一起玩 deep 100nl HU， 倒霉的家伙输了7k多， 而且是160
多个 buyin below EV
这里发图不太方便， 大家在原帖里看吧
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full disclosure:
CTS was visiting Magicninja in Montreal and we played some battleship-style
(facing each other with laptops) heads-up while drinking (and cole was also
playing Gus simultaneously at 2k/4k and 3-handed with Tom Dwan and Ivey at
300/600 plo lol).
We also had a bounty |
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y********n
发帖数: 2063 | 41 david oppenheim-------------I watched WPT before, he has been WPT final
table at least once.
And He played national HU(25k or 50k buyin) championship also.
He play with phil ivey, phil hellmuth together on High stake golf also.
Every one take out 100k to gamble on golf.
shark
to
ones. |
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y********n
发帖数: 2063 | 42 david oppenheim-------------I watched WPT before, he has been WPT final
table at least once.
And He played national HU(25k or 50k buyin) championship also.
He play with phil ivey, phil hellmuth together on High stake golf also.
Every one take out 100k to gamble on golf.
shark
to
ones. |
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W********m
发帖数: 7793 | 43 poker 门槛太低。。 我玩9个月可以beat 一大堆玩了几年的鱼。 你玩go, chess,
bridge 行吗？假设大家每天花一样时间。。。
一个NL100 的winning regular 和一堆phill ivey, durr, PA 之类的人一桌打牌， 你就打ABC TAG game, 他们对你的edge 肯定没有 职业9 段对业余初段的edge 大。如果打50bb 短筹码，他们可能根本没有edge. 业余初段 对职业9 段， 不管怎样玩都没有一点机会赢
goes
call/
also
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There |
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s*********k
发帖数: 1989 | 44 Ye, Ivey plays NORMAL, rather than ego takes away.
online winning is close to 20M and goes up straight. |
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f*****g
发帖数: 15860 | 45 this is one reason i respect ivey much more now, it seems he's the only one
who really cares about the overall game (bankroll management is one part).
the other guys? they gamble with at least 25% of their rolls daily, just
like, "i don't need a roll, my roll comes directly from your pocket and one
of us will take them all in the end", lol.
one
never
watch
break |
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p******e
发帖数: 327 | 46 对cheong的最后一手牌真失望。他本来是那天打的最好的一个。
还有grinder也犯了很多错误，哎，那么好的机会白白出去了，如果是去年ivey有他当
时那些chips早就赢了。
看了一晚上的文字直播，哎。。。cheong。。。 |
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c****1
发帖数: 457 | 47 chinese business man... they are so rich
been
the
are
John
table |
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m*z
发帖数: 2356 | 48 Rumor: A few hours ago Durrrr won a 20 million HKD pot all in pre with AK vs
qq and TT.
Flop Ts Qd Td
Turn Qc
Durr holding AdKd and he spiked the one outer. |
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W********m
发帖数: 7793 | 49 mmz. 你收集的包子赌股班博采怎样了? 你还欠我呢...差点忘了.. |
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m*z
发帖数: 2356 | 50 Says Durr is sitting with about 40 million in front of him |
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