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a****l
发帖数: 141 | 2 It is true Brazil jujitsu people likes ground fighting.
But their objective is always to try to get on top of their opponents.
It often happens jujitsu people initially was at bottom, but
they are so skillful that they can get to the top with several maneuver
eventually.
是古
战中
锁喉
羔羊
滚，
你一
个例
喉几
路一
清楚
并不
事儿
你认
下就
。但
在于
了欣
杀头
恍惚
保的
来。 |
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a*******l
发帖数: 2353 | 3 来自主题: MartialArts版 - 阎王做裁判 叫寝技是跟着柔道喊的，呵呵。 原来海峡版的Kjupiter问到中国武术有没有寝技才觉得
这个词其实还是比较贴切的。
本质就是在地上躺着反关节，搞窒息，点穴道压痛点。 咱中国武术不兴这个，打倒算完
，本来么，打倒了，一帮小弟板砖挠钩齐上，任你是个弓马高手躺到地上也玩完。
柔术Jujitsu主要就是干这个的，有的门派甚至只有地躺技（寝技）而没有打击技法。
平生骨头第二次受伤就是在这个什么破jujitsu课上被一个鲁莽的老黑给推断了小脚趾害
我绑两周胶带。 后来我狠狠的晃重心摔他以报我心头之狠。 老黑太好摔了，当然200磅
的肯定不行，一般160磅以下的，如果迟钝点就给个得合了直接拔了他，灵活点的就背胯
，身体越灵活的老黑吃背胯越灵。 你能背他旋一圈让他双脚着地他都不知道怎么回事。
身体灵活喜欢跳跃，等于是他自己帮你背他。
嘿嘿，这门课的老师是玩柔道和柔术的。 老头和球似的，到了地上就特别灵活，但是他
的起身格斗就不怎么擅长，有一回和我玩distance fighting，我摘了眼镜还直捋他下巴
玩。 嘿嘿。 妈的后来得意忘形眼眶还是中了他一暗肘，他估计是算好了欺负我近视瞧不
见。
力。 |
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r****y
发帖数: 26819 | 4 可以组合起来讲，比如柔道和柔术的区别。
还有一个合气道，区别？
（MAtrix里Neo自称学Jujitsu。）
谢谢。
附一些英文中文名称：
Sumo 相扑
Judo 柔道
Karate 空手道
Jeet Kune Do 截拳道
Taekwondo 跆拳道
Jujitsu 柔术
Aikido 日式合气道
Hapkido 韩式合气道
Muay Thai 泰拳
Savate 萨瓦特
France Kick 法国腿拳道
Kendo 剑道 |
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o****p
发帖数: 9785 | 5 UFC is far from a real fight. In a real fight, being taken down is dangerous
, itself already is going to cause injury on hard surface like contrete, not
to mention the deadly strikes one is going to take when he is down. For a
real fight it is so important not to get taken down, you have to fight on
your feet. But in UFC, many of them just voluntarily get down on their back
in order to use their Brazilian Jujitsu, that is so wrong(but according to
the rules, they are doing the right thing for v... 阅读全帖 |
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b********r
发帖数: 7725 | 6 行了，中国武术没高人
这样吧，你们几位或者送自己的孩子去学mma，muey thai，jujitsu
差不多了通知我一声
我来向你们学习 |
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o****p
发帖数: 9785 | 7 这个狗屁的Brazilian Jujitsu就是个笑话，打架没事往地上一躺，真的打起来有几个
会空手上？更别说mma里如果对手除了脚以外的身体有任何部分在地面时都不准击打头
部，限制老多了，如果拿掉这些限制，谁打架还敢往地上躺就是找死了。巴西柔术，是
一个很不切实际的技击法，充其量就是为了mma这类娱乐而产生的。 |
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K**z
发帖数: 255 | 8 jujitsu, best 1v1 martial art |
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uj
发帖数: 324 | 9 都歇歇吧！
如果，老头跟邓文迪离婚，再找个小姑娘照顾他最后的时光，太能折腾了
http://www.defamer.com.au/2009/12/drudge-those-rupert-murdoch-rumors-
that-you-never-heard-are-not-true/?
utm_source=feedburner&utm_medium=feed&utm_campaign=Feed:+DefamerAustrali
a+(Defamer+Australia)#comments
Drudge: Those Rupert Murdoch Rumors (That You Never Heard) Are Not True!
By Pareene on December 8, 2009 at 10:06 AM
Did Matt Drudge just revere-jujitsu a Rupert Murdoch rumour into the
news? Australian website Crikey reported that Murdoch split with h |
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d**y
发帖数: 269 | 10 我们家两个现在跆拳道练到蓝黑带了，小时候还行吧当锻炼身体了，大了防身这个就弱
了，有朋友推荐brizil jujitsu 更适合实战 |
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m*****i
发帖数: 1829 | 11 我看了这个google review特好，想知道真这么好吗？
到底练啥最好呢？我家孩子练过胎拳道和中国武术，没觉得精神上变的彪捍 :(
练过胎拳道和中国武术的孩子家长们都能感觉到孩子从内及外的变化吗？求经验之谈
If this martial arts is this good at a
body and sprite level, I should definitely send kid to it.
"Ulises Esparza
9 months ago
Fear, lack of confidence, sense of uncertainty... those are just a few of
the traits that i carried as i enrolled in this school. My experience
started off as a teenager and i've been fortunate enough to be part of an
amazing school ever since, for over 6 years now. ... 阅读全帖 |
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d**n
发帖数: 3172 | 12 这个人很搞笑啊。练那一门的技术找几个兄弟有用啊？参加jujitsu的俱乐部，比找几
个乌合之众强多了。 |
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c**d
发帖数: 3888 | 13 回帖的都是喜欢挨打的
比较实用的武术包括 muay thai，Brazilian jujitsu, 中国的散手
Santa Clara 的 Academy of Self Defense 还可以，不过那里最好的柔术老师 Stan
最近出去自己开店了 |
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b******n
发帖数: 74 | 14 Hi,
This is Bin. I'm a new guy in this forum. I love fitness, Jujitsu, UFC, '
family guy', etc. I've been working out since I was teenager. I hope that I'
m qualified to be one of the members. MSN: b******[email protected] |
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c******t
发帖数: 1733 | 15 it is good, but you know pavel's cheesy writing style. I would download the
video instead.
For joint mobility, Super joint is good, but I like steve cotter's and steve
maxwell's videos more. Steve cotter was a Kungfu champion, and steve
maxwell was a jujitsu world champion.Their joint mobility demonstrations
were fantastic. |
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a****l
发帖数: 141 | 16 If you ask a chinese kungfu master to fight a thai boxer, or a kickboxer, or
jujitsu master, he may lose. That doesn't mean chinese kungfu is less
powerful.We can only say kungfu is not only focusing on fighting.
Personlly, I think chinese kungfu emphasizes the development of a systematic
way of fighting. What I mean is, you may lose to a fight. But the style you
learn will provide you the capability to further improve yourself and figure
out a way to give a better fight to your opponent. |
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a****l
发帖数: 141 | 17 Just watched (UFC)Ultimate fighting championship 1 &2 the last two weeks. Rent
it in video place. 2$ let me kept 5 days, not bad.
Brazil jujitsu guy Royce Gracie got the champions for both UFC1 and UFC2.
In the UFC 1, I am really not convinced by his technique. Every time he shoots
in, starts ground fighting, and chokes his opponent out, no matter his
opponent is thai boxer, shoot fighter,... I thought his opponents are not fast
enough.
In the UFC 2, I slowly accept his way of fighting and event |
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a*******l
发帖数: 2353 | 18 Muytai和jujitsu都太难。
要两年才能练好shin kick，太慢。
on
黑
些
好 |
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a*******l
发帖数: 2353 | 19 萝卜酒话一多，就言多必失。 任何拳术都有其存在的价值和使用的条件，所以我一直认
为规则决定胜负。
内家拳固然是好，但是练的人少，能出功夫的人更少，出功快的稍有不慎，容易受伤。
传统上，中华武术中缺乏地上打斗的门派，因为地上缠斗在古代打仗时根本没用，一倒地
则钩，枪等等全上来了，不死也必然被俘。 但是日本和其他地方比如巴西，就有独特的
寝技。 就是在地上和人玩擒拿，如果大家经常看无限制格斗的话，这类地上缠斗型选手
赢面还很大。 我来这里还修了门课来者jujitsu，还挺有意思的。
另外说到日本剑道，华虎想当然的对手一刀劈来，往后一躲就可以了事，却不知道剑道其
实和形意类似的是追着打。 至於抡刀(就是举刀)再劈会降低速度， 这个缺陷完全依靠步
法和身法来弥补。 戚继光等抗倭的时候便深感倭寇的刀快，步快，想出阵法，一人持带
叶子的竹子，其他人持各种兵器比如锄头粪勺在一边伺机。 倭寇能砍一截竹子却不能挡
住竹子横扫扰乱视线才被在旁的其他人乱棍齐上。
关于形意，太极的真正源头，无从考证，只能考证到拳法已经基本形成的宗师，之前的都
语焉不详。
比如心意六合拳，有人说是岳飞所创，专为御林军所练， |
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a*******l
发帖数: 2353 | 20 不是，Aikido应该是合气道。
我说的就是Jujitsu,不过是日本的所谓和心流。
大
，
衡
上
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用
踢
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a****l
发帖数: 141 | 21 I got exposed to judo/jujitsu by watching first several UFC games.
Joyce Gracie won the championship several times even though the fighing is not
easy.
I do see it is an art. His opponent can gain advantages over him, can sit on
him, but gracie can lie on his back at ease and spot his opponent's weakness
and lock his opponent finally.
I am very impressed by the technique that locks the opponent's arm with two
legs while almost standing on one's head.
BTW, bessel,how many ways of passing the guar |
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a****l
发帖数: 141 | 22 Not bad. More, tin.
Not sure what the rule is, or just a show.
The kicks don't seem to be very powerful.
When the tkd guy is kicking, the monk sure can go forward, with arm protecting
upperbody, leg lifting blocking the kick. And then throw or kick back.
If the tkd guy is in the air, it will be miserable for him.
No one is doing low kick. When fighting, sometimes, stepping on the opponents'
knee would be more meaningful than high kick. Jujitsu often does this even
though they are not good at kic |
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t**********o
发帖数: 124 | 23
protecting
opponents'
Good point! I heard from my shifu that one of my Shi Shu was good at this,
called Cai Tui.
Jujitsu often does this even |
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a*******l
发帖数: 2353 | 24
protecting
opponents'
Jujitsu踢腿的时候，是把脚趾翘起，然后用足掌的前半段踢别人的胫部。 |
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a****l
发帖数: 141 | 25 "Jujitsu踢腿的时候，是把脚趾翘起，然后用足掌的前半段踢别人的胫部。"
Thanks for sharing. Looks like discussion does bring out some
valuable information.
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N******u
发帖数: 68 | 26 这个是jujitsu吧，呵呵，最后那几个摔法是柔道的。
不过这些躺技么，只适合单挑。。。实用性有限。:P |
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a********y
发帖数: 34 | 27 I think punching is more effectvie and easy to deliver than kicking. I means,
given the same time of training, punching is easier to learn and is powerful
enough to knock out even with gloves.
Although kicking is powerful, it's relatively slow than punching. A boxer with
good moving skill can defeat a good kicker, as long as he can avoid or stand
the kick and quickly get in.
The basic fighting skills taught in US army is boxing and Jujitsu. the reason
is that those skills are more effective for |
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N******u
发帖数: 68 | 28 这个问题很有意思。腿和手潜力都很大，腿练好了和手一样快，比如李小龙，而手
练好了和腿一样具破坏力(这对一般人要容易得多)。腿最大的问题是攻击方式和路
线有限，其中很多奔下三路的还被比赛限制。此外收腿如果不及被人抄住的话基本
就死定了，手相对而言至少还有反擒拿一说。
作为个人练习当然是技术全面好，远踢近打贴身摔，摔倒了还可以jujitsu，hoho。
,
with
stand
reason |
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b****l
发帖数: 23606 | 29 芬特
柔道 柔术 跟你的brazilian jujitsu有什么区别么？
武术的几个要素都被你说了
如果喜欢不太激烈的，太极或者咏春都行 |
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a*******l
发帖数: 2353 | 30 Different rules.
Cro Cop is my fav. fighter cause he is just good.
his movement is very classical and should be in textbook.
very very solid kick and punch.
the best part is he beats the NASTY grabbers(wrestler, Brazil Jujitsu). I
hate those grabbers cause they ruin the game!
To me, cro cop is Mike Tyson or De La Hoya in Boxing.
if ground fight is allowed, Liu does not have any chance. but if not, it's
hard to say. they are both old now. |
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w********6
发帖数: 12977 | 31 最近UFC的比赛，貌似都是巴西的胜利了。
NND，应该少看UFC，每次看的热血沸腾，几乎忍不住想跳进去把一个人的脑袋给拧碎了 |
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G*****9
发帖数: 3225 | 33 我觉得很多拳谚里面的话，不能按照科学里面的定理去理解。手是两扇门，全凭脚踢人
。实在强调腿法的重要性和手的防护性，并不是说不用出拳了。拳谚还说“踢不过膝呢
”，但据我所知太极拳里面是有高腿的。中国人没有建立西方的逻辑体系，说话喜欢夸
张。 |
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a*******l
发帖数: 2353 | 35 整劲，迎击，Iceman Chuck Liddel是打得最好的。
我公司同事认识Tito Otis，我以前以为Tito比较矮，事实上他却是个大高个，他吃亏
在于臂展比较短，所以不以打击见长。 |
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a*******l
发帖数: 2353 | 36 拳谚有它的适用范围，不同门派也不一样。
都有道理，倒不是故意要夸张。
踢不过膝很少听到，一般人讲都是踢不过腰吧。那戳脚翻子还是玉环步一个接一个的踢
高腿。
门派不同风格不同而已。 |
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q*********6
发帖数: 272 | 37 “手是两扇门，全凭腿打人”吧？
这句话就不是说用腿踢的。是指步法的。
凭步法打人。
直接踢，尤其起高腿，容易被克制。实打很少用。 |
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v*****r
发帖数: 2325 | 38 feel like so. in UFC fight, 我觉得很重要的一点就是寻找对方破绽, 同时避免露
破绽给对方... UFC 一旦破绽, 基本就是 TKO了, 手套太小无法护头, TAKEDOWN OR
FELL DOWN 以后, 还可以攻击...
SO FOOTWORK IS KEY, STAY IN CONTROL OF GOOD STANCE IS KEY. THE ADVANTAGE
OF BOXING IS THAT PUNCH HAS SPEED ADVANTAGE... |
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q*********6
发帖数: 272 | 40 我觉得从攻击力度来说，腿肯定天然强过手的。
如果能打到，肯定是腿比手好。
但是问题是起腿，尤其是高腿，一来速度慢，有预兆，容易被对方猜出意图，步法很容
易闪开；二来起腿就是单腿站立，肯定没有双腿稳。
以上两点很容易造成破绽。
如果对方是你一拳我一脚的打，速度又不算快。当然kicking是有效而且威力很大的攻
击方法。
而在原来练传统的这个环境中，人人练得就是要招快，找破绽打，起腿就很受威胁了。
所以宁愿舍弃一部分强度求速度和安全性。
起腿也不是不可以，要是像李小龙那样的腿击练到和手击速度差不多，kicking肯定还
是很有用的啊。 |
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G*****9
发帖数: 3225 | 41 我是喜欢传统武术的，但是我在想，传统武术的搏击理念是不是不适合现代擂台。现代
擂台，不能用杀招一招致敌，所以重击的作用体现出来了。而传统武术不重视重击。 |
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q*********6
发帖数: 272 | 42 首先，我觉得传统武术的确不适合现代擂台。
手法受限不能发挥，体力也是问题。还有禁击部位的问题。
不管怎么说，传统就是有很多打要害的办法，这个的确是在取巧。
但是在移动中，要能保证每次都能打到要害，就不是人人都能做到的了，这个是要练的。
然而，传统的东西，经过一些发展，我觉得也是可以上擂台的，而且也应该上去交流。
多接触不同的打法才会有更进一步的发展。
比如现在西方比赛上喜欢用地面锁控技术，这个在传统中就很少见到，就需要传统武术
发展出更有效的抵御方法。
杀招的问题，在拳套和禁击要害的情况下，的确很难出现。
我不知道你指的重击是什么。如果是指拳的力量的话。传统的拳可能绝对力量是要差一
点。
但是单纯的力量不等于打击效果。
配合速度的力量才有用。要不然力量再大，不一定能完全打在人身上。
大家都知道，单纯的直拳很容易闪开。很多拳击手的速度也不见的比散打的快。
况且如果在同一个体重级别，传统的发力方法打出的拳的力量也不一定就比拳击这一类
的小吧。
当然我没有数据，这个算说说而已。 |
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G*****9
发帖数: 3225 | 43 我是喜欢传统武术的，但是我在想，传统武术的搏击理念是不是不适合现代擂台。现代
擂台，不能用杀招一招致敌，所以重击的作用体现出来了。而传统武术不重视重击。 |
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T*******4
发帖数: 1406 | 44 这个结论值得商榷.你去问一问你师傅,他肯定不同意你的看法.太极拳的透劲是要伤人
内脏的.我的一个师叔不信邪,仗着知己皮糙肉厚,能够承受重拳,非与我师爷叫板.师爷
用了6成功力,他当即不支,被送进了医院.
老一代武术家王子平,一掌下去,一堆砖全断成两节.你找阿里来,他也发不出那么厉害的
劲道. |
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v*****r
发帖数: 2325 | 46 there are always quite some mystic about traditional chinese martial art.
there are doubts that chinese tradition martial art is not effective in real
fight...
for one hand, i rarely never saw a top chinese martial artist compete,
mostly just for show... or reported or glorified in stories....
for the other hand, i also feel UFC and boxing they are their own thing,
marketing and promotional as real fight and fair competition...
the other day i watched sport science on comcast sport network, the |
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w********6
发帖数: 12977 | 49 恩，那个啥巴西家族的，貌似从没输过
不过不好看，每次就见他猛虎下山，开始就直扑对方下三路，扭到地上以后，开始卡脖
子，扭胳膊，拧大腿的 |
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v*****r
发帖数: 2325 | 50 not very clear iwth UFC rules.
is it okay to knee kick or elbow kick head.... this should be very effective
blow to opponent which is trying to takedown from underneath....
see more bloody faces in UFC than boxing ah....
not much padding inside those small gloves.... |
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