h*******y
发帖数: 864 | 1 Oh, really, you proved it with simple math. What a genius.
Although Adam Smith is one of my favorite economist (for his understanding
about supply/demand, which David Ricardo perfected), I really hate the
simple "doctrine" view inherited from him and David Ricardo: that free
market is always better, or simply the study of micro-economy could make
everlasting principles for macro-economy.
By the end of the day, inflation and Keynesian spending spree is just a re-
distribution of wealth (e.g. from |
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n******h
发帖数: 2482 | 3 Stuck in Keynesians' doctrine and forever be the slaves of the financial
elites -- till the world burns.
Good luck everyone. |
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N********n
发帖数: 8363 | 4
Just abolish Federal Reserve, FDIC, Fractional Reserve and all that junk
Keynesian economics to let market run on its own. |
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N********n
发帖数: 8363 | 5
This is the typical outcome of Greenspan Keynesian stimulus madness. Hu
and Wen should be jailed for managing economy like that. |
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N********n
发帖数: 8363 | 6
He's neither Keynesian nor lives on speeches. |
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N********n
发帖数: 8363 | 7
Crookman is a Keynesian fool. He has no clue how market works. Jobs only
go where labors cost is competitive, that's it. It doesn't matter if you
have the biggest market or a reserved currency. Useless. There's no way
anyone would hire people here in US while they can find someone somewhere
else to do the same work at 1/5 of the cost. |
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L****a
发帖数: 572 | 9 while stiglitz said "real interest" at 1-2%, but that guy said "let me tell
you, greece is paying 7% interest rate on 2-year money". |
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N********n
发帖数: 8363 | 10
It shows how so many Nobel-prize winning economists are simply clueless.
No wonder nations collapse running on their ideas. |
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N********n
发帖数: 8363 | 11
Japan has a strong manufacture industry to support their economy despite
being savaged by 2 decades of Keynesian madness. That distinction is why
Japan is still in a better shape than a manufacture-less US on its way
to hell no matter how temporarily high the PPT rigs the market to. |
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N********n
发帖数: 8363 | 12
Exactly. There are too many moronic Keynesian economists in government
thinking supplying cheap money is the way to handle economy crisis. |
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N********n
发帖数: 8363 | 13 Keynesian economics is definitely not science but pure nonsense. |
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N********n
发帖数: 8363 | 14 WHOA! What happened? Has Hugo Chavez invaded and taken over Australia?
Chairman Mao's pipe dream "red flags all over the world" has materialized
finally thanks to globalization of Keynesian jihad economics.
Australia will impose a 40 percent tax on the profits of resource companies
like BHP Billiton Ltd. and Rio Tinto Group to pay for infrastructure,
retirement and company levy changes as part of the broadest overhaul of its
tax system since the Second World War.
The government, responding to Tr |
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N********n
发帖数: 8363 | 15 Zero Hedge has long claimed that Greece will be forced to default, with the
only question being how this will be structured by Europe in a way to not
allow the evil speculators to make buck on this process. Today, Greece shot
itslef in the foot a little after announcing its latest debt number, which
makes any expectations of climbing out of its Keynesian hole even more
laughable. As Market News reports, "Greece's general government debt rose to
E310.3 billion in 1Q from E298.5 billion at the end |
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N********n
发帖数: 8363 | 16 Watch how Hugh Hendry pwns another clueless Keynesian economist. If you
ever wonder why college grads cannot get a job, just look at what kinda
foolish education they are getting from a university like Columbia. |
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N********n
发帖数: 8363 | 17
It's the same debt crisis, and it's getting worse.
Taking on some debt itself is not necessarily bad as long as you can pay
it back. The situation of Greece and PIIGS have finally made people see
the inconvenient truth: Countries across western civilization carry too
much debt to pays off so they are on an inevitable path toward default
and bankruptcy, and US is no exception to it.
Only in socialist Keynesian economists' screwed up mind would anyone take
on more debt to clean, GASP, a debt prob |
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N********n
发帖数: 8363 | 18
Typical Keynesian knee-jerk argument that has no merit. |
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c*****r
发帖数: 8227 | 19 Paul Krugman's Magic Keynesian Mirror. |
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c*****r
发帖数: 8227 | 20 这个世界被Keynesian economists 荼毒久矣！ |
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g*****u
发帖数: 14294 | 21 In other words, you dismiss Keynesian economics completely. |
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r******o
发帖数: 1530 | 22 OMG, r u serious?
ask around how much even normal working people hate tax!!
Govt is not the solution, it's the problem.
This financial crisis is the grand failure of social experiment of Keynesian
economics!!! |
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n******h
发帖数: 2482 | 23 The only few sane voices are buried in millions of insane Keynesian brain-
washed mind while pigs are led to the slaughter house.
Save yourself some energy. You can't save the world. |
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s*****n
发帖数: 5488 | 24 不仅仅是为了刺激经济。现在的最大问题是老头子们拿的太多。社会实在养不起，又没
有办法消减福利。只有用通膨和股市动荡来暗中杀肥猪了。老头子们手里拿什么资产什
么会贬值。房子，票子，存款。在通膨几年，美国政府差不多就把养老金这个包袱解决
了。 |
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v*****k
发帖数: 7798 | 26 baby boomer是个特例吧，除非有大规模战争 |
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h*******a
发帖数: 573 | 27 What I referred to was the "multiplier effect" - that the multiplier effect of direct goverment spending is much larger than that of tax cuts in increasing demand, because some of the tax cuts will be saved rather than spent.
That's a well known theory of Keynesian economics. I just say what I know.
You can disagree, but please respect yourself and others when you speak in
public forums. |
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h*******a
发帖数: 573 | 28 I am talking about supply vs demand in pure economic terms. It's basically
an aggregate of all the "wants" of people in an economy.
I know what you are concerned about. The money the goverment spends got to
be paid for somehow...huh...usually by collecting tax dollars that everyone
hates :-) Ideally, that shouldn't be an issue. In economic downturns, the
government runs budget deficits to make up for the decrease in demand. When
the demand recovers in ecomomic upturns, the budget deficit can be... 阅读全帖 |
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h*******a
发帖数: 573 | 29 I have to respectfuly disagree. The crisis is a failure of not following Keynesian economics. Look at what Bush did? Tell me how many jobs his tax cuts helped create?
the
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h*******a
发帖数: 573 | 30 Not sure where you watch your news. Obama wanted to extend only the tax cuts
for the middle class and raise taxes on the top 5% richest in the country.
But the Republicans rejected any tax increases and threatened not to approve
extending unemployment benefits. So Obama conceded (When did he not concede
?) to the Republican blackmail by extending the tax cuts for the super rich.
Some bits of history for the Bush tax cuts:
http://www.nytimes.com/2010/08/23/opinion/23krugman.html
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n****u
发帖数: 229 | 31 If Keynesian ecomomics work, why complain the wars?
Government spend money on wars, which creates a lot of jobs. Does it work?
Some kids break your windows, so you spend money to repair, it's good for
other people. Does it really a good thing? |
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c*****r
发帖数: 8227 | 32 Insanity: doing the same thing over and over again and expecting different
results.
这，是不是对当前O8及Keynesians所作所为最好的注解？！ |
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N********n
发帖数: 8363 | 33
Lots of bizarre, hilariously brain-dead Keynesian ideas in this thread.
I might transfer a few to Joke board. |
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c*****r
发帖数: 8227 | 34 1) S&P 500 current valuation is still high, comparing the history average
2) The PE collapse since 2000 did not run through the nature course, due to
Keynesian interventions.
3) 矫枉必过正， 对称方为美。Expect PE10 to drop to and maintain at single
digit in next 10 years.
4) 历史告诉我们，在自然规律面前，任何人为的挣扎，不过是螳臂当车。
结论很简单：熊途漫漫！ |
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c*****r
发帖数: 8227 | 35 "右" - conservative, small government, low tax, Laissez-faire doctrine,
personal responsibility, self-reliance
"左" - liberal/progressive, large government, high tax, high welfare,
Keynesian doctrine, collective, elite domination |
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i*******e
发帖数: 1904 | 36 MarketWatch: "我一定是非常愚蠢。"
到现在为止，我关注欧洲金融危机已有两年了，但还是怎么也看不明白。
欧洲金融危机刚开始的时候，我估计它很快就能结束。可是如今危机不仅没有结束，而
且愈演愈烈。
只有我一个人是这样吗？是不是只有我觉得困惑？是不是其他所有人都能看明白呢？
以下是我的问题。
1. 为什么有人愿意以3.5%的利率向希腊提供30年期贷款？该利率是希腊政府在近期与
债券持有人的谈判中一直坚持要求的，但它比澳大利亚和新西兰──两国均处于全球财
政状况最好的国家之列──10年期国债利率还要低。希腊总理帕帕季莫斯(Lucas
Papademos)要是自己借钱给别人，愿不愿意接受这些条款？如果愿意，他同不同意将其
作为谈判的一部分？如果他不愿意，凭什么这样要求别人？
2. 如果允许违约的希腊为其债务支付3.5%的利息，凭什么要让没有违约的爱尔兰继续
支付7.2%的利息？为什么西班牙和意大利也要分别支付5.7%和6.5%的利息？他们看到这
项交易之后难道不会说“我们也想这样”吗？
3. 欧盟(European Union)领导人当初究竟为什么要力挺希腊？这绝对是赔本买卖。况
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S*********g
发帖数: 24893 | 37 【 以下文字转载自 StephenKing 俱乐部 】
发信人: StephenKing (金博士), 信区: StephenKing
标 题: 不系安全带，John Nash今天车祸死了
发信站: BBS 未名空间站 (Sun May 24 11:17:59 2015, 美东)
John Forbes Nash, Jr.
Born June 13, 1928
Bluefield, West Virginia, U.S.
Died May 23, 2015 (aged 86) [1]
Residence United States
Nationality American
Fields
Mathematics
Economics
Institutions
Massachusetts Institute of Technology
Princeton University
Alma mater
Princeton University
Carnegie Institute of Te... 阅读全帖 |
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d********1
发帖数: 2462 | 38 顶lz :)..
Ben Bernanke之后，很多中央银行都不自觉地站队在了Keynesian这一队；）。。大量
QE，让本国货币贬值，本来是让savings从银行里走出来，直接去消费也好investment
purpose也好，就算去financing sector也好，总之进入社会，提高GDP（就算有
inflation，也好过无作为的deflation）。。
短期看，是你（货币）贬我也贬，貌似没啥差别，但是，实质上，金钱就像磁铁一样互
相吸引，印再多的钱，（钱）聚集在少数人手里。middle class和poor如果没有一定积
蓄，是非常vulnerable的一群，一旦失业，就会影响到变量Q，而其实一部分MV在QE的
work in process的过程中，已经从市场流失了（并没有回到市场）。。
事先说明，我是一打打酱油的，觉得我说的不好的不用指正了哦(~_~:).. |
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l****z
发帖数: 29846 | 39 【 以下文字转载自 USANews 讨论区 】
发信人: lczlcz (lcz), 信区: USANews
标 题: Denver左派媒体故意抹去科州枪手是社会主义者的描述
发信站: BBS 未名空间站 (Mon Dec 16 17:23:47 2013, 美东)
Denver Post Criticized For Removing 'Socialist' Description Of Colorado
Shooter
December 16, 2013, 1:20 PM EST4743
The Denver Post is facing criticism from conservatives after updating a
story that originally labeled the Colorado high school gunman a "Socialist."
In a story first posted late Friday, the newspaper cited a student at
Arapahoe High School who descri... 阅读全帖 |
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a*o
发帖数: 25262 | 40 I think Bush's admin spent much more $ than the Clinton era. There was a
budget surplus while Clinton left the office. But Bush spent them all on
wars and other places....and the debt has been ballooning since then....
By the time Obama took the office, the economics was already in the bad
shape. No matter McCain or Obama .... they have to spend more Gov $ to reuse
the bad economic. This is the Keynesian economics that the US has been
following since the Great Depression.
by
cumulative
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a*o
发帖数: 25262 | 41 If it doesn't get worst, that means at least it's stable. It's all about the
level of your expectation. What number of options he had? Everyone in the
public only knows the amount of debt the country takes, but if you know and
agree with Keynesian economics and the components of GDP by expenditure,
there isn't any other good choices when consumption is low, investment is
low and net export is low, you only have one choice which is government
spending. Giving some background about GDP:
GDP (Y) i... 阅读全帖 |
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n******h
发帖数: 2482 | 42 Ok, Ben, this is correct. Both taxing too much and taxing too little have
their own problems. The ideal is to have a balance. Unfortunately we lost
that balance and it's unlikely to come back.
You either has an economics degree or went to business school. However,
don't take everything literally from the book. Bernanke is a Keynesian and
his macroeconomics book sucks.
people
wage
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n******h
发帖数: 2482 | 43 I also hate the tax but that is not the problem today. We actually
should tax more and save more to cover the big deep hole we dug in the
past 30 years (possibly longer). My problem is no matter how much we are
taxed, the money will be taken away by the financial sector, either
through direct rip-off or via inflation. And Bernanke is exactly my
enemy. There is no cure unless the house gets burned down.
So you are an newly-converted Keynesian from Chicago school. Curious how
that could ever happe |
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B******e
发帖数: 16928 | 44 Not really converted Keynesian. I still believe in free markets and small
government, but I also believe that those researchers on banking do have
their point. Financial sector is different from other sectors and in some
cases strictly following Chicago school would probably not be the good
choice. |
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n******h
发帖数: 2482 | 45 Both Austrian and Neoclassical would agree with this. Of course keynesians
don't. Pick your own cup of tea. |
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n******h
发帖数: 2482 | 46 I actually don't blame Obama for the economic disaster, nor do I blame
Bush, or Clinton. It's the Fed, which represents the wall street lords,
that ran the country over the cliff. To be fair, it's wall street that
wanted to bail out GM. Obama was just the tool.
I don't have much comments regarding Hoover, but if you think Roosevelt is
great you are simply misled.
These are my last words tonight on this topic as I do realize it's
pointless to argue against Keynesians. Good luck on your GM IPO sha |
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n******h
发帖数: 2482 | 47 You know what? Ironically the gold bugs benefit from the idiotic Keynesian
policies. You see, now that the economy is deteriorating again, should the
Fed print another two trillions to save the economy? Maybe a bit more, say
ten trillions? Gold bugs do hope the Fed to print more (and it will) while
laughing all the way to bank. |
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y****t
发帖数: 10233 | 48 keynesian, not kenyan...
lol... |
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y****t
发帖数: 10233 | 49 elitist stupidist.
you need to
stay out of school, get a real job, pay some tax, open up your eyes and take
a look at what really happened during last two years of failure of
keynesian.
纸上谈兵的叫赵括,已经被证明失败的理论,只能是理论,失败的理论.
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