y********n
发帖数: 2063 | 1 When I first play big MTT, I usually can go very deep, because I just allin
when I have some sort of hands. At that time, I just played Freeroll, allin is my way to play freeroll. However, when I know payout, and a little about game, I become cautious, and never goes deep.
Therefore, maybe your 老丈人 can win one big MTT. Not joking. Just like
Jerry Yang can win Wsop, apparently he is not the best in the field. :)
But in the long run, the skills dominate.---You should mention it to your 老
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y********n
发帖数: 2063 | 2 Usually only top 3 get big award.
And be careful about the bully also. Sometimes, chip leader always pick on
2nd chip leader, because he knows that 2nd guy does not want to get out as
3rd or 4th.
Days ago, I watched 5200$ buy-in Final table on FTP
4 guy left
roothlus 1.6M chips button
netherland guy 800k chips BB
Russian buddy 240k chips
US guy 410k chips SB
roothlus raise button about 3bb 36k
netherland guy repop 100k
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f*****g
发帖数: 15860 | 3 没错，一pro就写了他如何4-bet with air when blinds are small-medium。扑克真是
个斗智斗勇的游戏，研究对手状态太重要。
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However, if I have 15bb, I might fold to re-raise. |
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k***n
发帖数: 1682 | 5 哈哈.. 学习说不上, 我也常打烂牌. 今天凌晨你也看到了, $10+2 DAILY DOUBLE 剩
16人, 我第10名, 在SB position before flop 用8Ts ALL IN 骗 BB的BLIND... 够脑
残吧. 那时候凌晨两点了, 脑子发沉发热, 没耐心也没状态了.
我打牌就是泥腿子出身, 没看过书,没系统学习过,所以才会象上面那样时不时出昏招.
如果按照一定策略打.. 象最后2桌就 TIGHT AND AGGRESSIVE, 就不会用8T ALL IN
骗BB了. 这也是打完后才想明白的. HAHA.. |
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k***n
发帖数: 1682 | 6 他是小赌你没大牌, 你是大赌他在BLUFFING, 虽然赢了, 但还是很危险啊.
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However, if I have 15bb, I might fold to re-raise. |
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y********n
发帖数: 2063 | 7 If I fold this time, next time he will raise again. So, I need put a stand
and telling him do not raise. And you can not always wait, and sometimes you
need put some advertisement, raise and fold. And in this way, you will get
paid with your strong hands.
Should say I play very cautiously against him. But he is very aggressive,
very hard to play with.
That is the reason I said in my post, I regreted to play a pot against him
with 77, and I should fold pre.
Later on, I played a huge pot with him, |
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f*****g
发帖数: 15860 | 8 不觉得，呵呵，那把你好像还剩11BB，button，SB剩7BB。而且你已经几乎fold了2圈了。
唯一的“疑点”就是你好像很少用all-in(即使BB不多)来代表强牌。多数都是3，4x，
然后call。又偏巧在众目睽睽的button，比你还short的SB，也正好拿了Ax。即使是这
样，8Ts也不是大落后，对付两张over cards，40%：60%，这种时候赌一把也没什么。
倒是你们桌特搞笑，那个最后的chip leader频频steal，让一桌人re-steal揍得鼻青脸
肿，可是架不住人家后来连来4，5把monster，大家顿时晕掉，呵呵，AK vs. QQ那把，
QQ在xAK-K-x的turn上shove 18BB，呵呵。
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p*******r
发帖数: 100 | 11 狂顶啊！发现这里有不少tournament大牛啊（比如还有pokeryjj)，期待你们的文章。
你们在ring game里是不是也很牛？
fryking：我就是happyness，那个id不用了，帮我在置顶名单里改一下吧，谢谢。最近
实在太忙，看到这么好的战绩，很鸡动啊，咔咔。 |
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p*******r
发帖数: 100 | 12 你一直观战啊？能方便地自动跟踪某id么？准备下次现场助威，呵呵。
了。 |
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f*****g
发帖数: 15860 | 13 俺一般就看看最后阶段，那个牛人又靠近大钱了，呵呵。 |
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k***n
发帖数: 1682 | 14 In that situation there is no way to fold 1010.
To my experience QK is always a bad hand for all in. If someone calls, most
likely he has better hands, like AK, AQ, or pairs. |
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k***n
发帖数: 1682 | 15 That is really what I should build into my blood - Play cautiously, never go
deep.
I know the principle but sometime my bad habbit still takes over me.
This week my most painful experience is that I accumulated the big stakes by
playing strong hands cautiously, never going all in before flop, then lost
all by going all in with a lousy hand against a conservative guy. And my
chips sent the guy to 3rd place with the reward >$5000. With my chips in
hands, he was able to keep folding and folding un |
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f*****g
发帖数: 15860 | 16 hehe, your self control/discipline is way much better than me...
yeah, it'll be a long game and have to be focused all the way, crucial hands
are just a few.
go
by
lost
to
QQ, and AK. |
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y********n
发帖数: 2063 | 17 Oh.
You did not pay attention to the stack size, and payout structure.
QK is bullying here, not because of his hand value. He can call or fold.
If 1010 loses, it is a 200k$ call.
Anyway, 1010 calls, and after 1 hour, he wins the champ, 620K$
ruthless(QK guy, very famous online player) gets 2nd, 380K$
I do not know, should be a tough call for 1010.
Similar situation, on sunday 500k garantee because of the FTOP.
final 3 left.
SB 3.5Million
BB 0.9Million
Button 3Million
Blinds around 40k
Button rai |
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p*******r
发帖数: 100 | 18 if we should never/seldom go deep, does that mean we should not play knock
out tournament? that effectively dilutes the money if we do not knocking out
enough people. |
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p*******r
发帖数: 100 | 19 Do you mean the 3rd's pay is too less compared the first two positions?
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I guess even button has AK or JJ, he can not call there. Because of the
payout structure. |
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f*****g
发帖数: 15860 | 21 no, just randomly, when u, pokeryjj, kkrun, etc., run deep into some big
tourneys.
good study study, day day up, lol. |
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y********n
发帖数: 2063 | 22 KKRUN, melony, fryking, or other players interested in it?
Event 1 - 2 April 2009 @ 14:30 ET - NL Hold'em with Rebuys [6-max]
01-L: $5.50 buy-in, $50,000 guaranteed prize pool
01-M: $55 buy-in, $200,000 guaranteed prize pool
01-H: $530 buy-in, $500,000 guaranteed prize pool
Event 4 - 3 April 2009 @ 16:30 ET - NL Hold'em [2X Chance, turbo]
04-L: $16.50 buy-in, $100,000 guaranteed prize pool
04-M: $162 buy-in, $300,000 guaranteed prize pool
04-H: $1,575 buy-in, $1,000,000 guaranteed prize pool
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y********n
发帖数: 2063 | 23 KKRUN, melony, fryking, or other players interested in it?
Event 1 - 2 April 2009 @ 14:30 ET - NL Hold'em with Rebuys [6-max]
01-L: $5.50 buy-in, $50,000 guaranteed prize pool
01-M: $55 buy-in, $200,000 guaranteed prize pool
01-H: $530 buy-in, $500,000 guaranteed prize pool
Event 4 - 3 April 2009 @ 16:30 ET - NL Hold'em [2X Chance, turbo]
04-L: $16.50 buy-in, $100,000 guaranteed prize pool
04-M: $162 buy-in, $300,000 guaranteed prize pool
04-H: $1,575 buy-in, $1,000,000 guaranteed prize pool
E... 阅读全帖 |
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p*******r
发帖数: 100 | 24 now the 3rd out of 9, hehe.
nice job! hope u can win it! |
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k***n
发帖数: 1682 | 25 i had JJ. normally if he just calls on flop, i would all in at turn.
if he had K, he should reraise me. but anyway, he is the chip leader, he
might have QQ. so.. |
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p*******r
发帖数: 100 | 26 哈哈我第一次正经观战就碰到你拿冠军:)
早点休息吧。 |
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y********n
发帖数: 2063 | 28 looks like that guy has draw
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k***n
发帖数: 1682 | 30 AK, i folded all 22 - 66 as long as someone raised befor me. hoho... i know
it is kind of weak. but it is too hard to play these small pp. |
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k***n
发帖数: 1682 | 31 刚开始1对1的时候CHIP LEADER 是1,1XX, XXX. 我是1XX,XXX. 他的CHIP是我的10倍.
所以我第一把就ALL IN了, Q9s, 赢了. 我全是要么FOLD要么ALL IN.
后面三把也赢了. 我把图按顺系贴上来.
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y********n
发帖数: 2063 | 32 he makes a mistake on your aj hand.
other 2 hands, he is way ahead.
that is your day. And sweet :)
usually 10:1 chip leader can not lose at all. |
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k***n
发帖数: 1682 | 33 拿到Q8的时候就觉得能赢(有时候拿到JJ也觉得要输, 别人BET 多一点我就FOLD了..哈
哈), FLOP后有8, SECOND PAIR, 一对一的时候SECOND PAIR就够了, 那时想他也SECOND
PAIR的话 我KICKER一定比他大. |
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k***n
发帖数: 1682 | 34 yeah sometimes it is good to be a donkey haha.. |
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y********n
发帖数: 2063 | 35 lol
do not know, that hand he has to allin on the flop.
Maybe just your luck is better than his in that game.
I probably will play the same way, allin with second pair.
if that pot is not that huge, I might fold 2nd pair. But allin or fold, both
are ok. Need luck to win!
I watched hand history again. Sounds you make a mistake, you can call, instead of re-raise there, because he could easily have top pair there. You call, and see what he is doing on the turn. then allin.
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k***n
发帖数: 1682 | 36 midnight madness ends in 18th. 估计这才是我正常水准, 死的那把QJs 4X BB raise
,
后面两个人ALL IN 我还CALL. 非常愚蠢... 我LP在旁边说FOLD FOLD... 我还跳进去了
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(其实QJs, QKs, KJs都中看不中用, 真格的时候就是送钱给别人的.)
$28000的 后两桌(除了最后1对1)是我LP 打的, 我诚实的说在FINAL 她打的比我稳, 估
计心理素质比我好. 哈哈.. 其实她就是有牌才打, 没牌全FOLD, 在POSITION 落后时也
不着急. |
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z****h
发帖数: 74 | 38 congrats!
this is at least the second time won in a month? over 10,000 gain already?
wow~~ |
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y********n
发帖数: 2063 | 39 Nice job.
that chip leader is very strong.
He raises majority of hands(,and wins a lot of pots without showdown) and play the structure very well(or big stack
very well), make you fold jj, I guess he has nothing, but you can not call.
其实她就是有牌才打, 没牌全FOLD, 在POSITION 落后时也
raise
guess you still need fold. Even you have aj there. But it is tough, since
your stack is so low.
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p*******r
发帖数: 100 | 40 那你老婆玩得不错啊。我的几点感想：
1. madness最后那手raise太多了，QJ只能归于steal，两人都allin后只能fold。如果
你开始只是raise到2X，make decision就容易多了。
2. 我觉得你在后段steal过少（特别是$28k最后18人开始），也许这是你老婆的特点。
我发现那时你很少preflop 2X raise，常常是3X，button fold较多。那时候blinds已
经很大，如果你不管是steal还是有牌都是2到2.5X raise，是不是会好一点？$28k最后
10来手牌很有戏剧性，基本上是两人有牌，结果很多筹码挺多的人被chip leader一一
干掉，让你的排名急升。否则你的筹码难以继续抗衡。
3. JJ那手牌flop是Kxx有flush draw，你bet pot是不是太多了呢？是为了区别对方是
flush draw 还是K？我觉得你的JJ应该在preflop reraise.
4. 不太明白你是什么牌raise到8X，Ax steal？
http://www.mitbbs.com/article/TexasHoldem/31166 |
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z****h
发帖数: 74 | 41 还有个问题，大家赢了钱以什么方式cashout呢？ |
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k***n
发帖数: 1682 | 42 哈哈, 她平时并不玩, 如果我进了最后几桌, 她就会跑过来看. 有时我就让给她打.
因为我从下面打上来后, 有两个问题: 1 是拿到好点的牌就以为自己又要赢, 打的狠
AGGRESSIVE, FLOP没牌就BLUFFING, FOLD不了. 2 是受不了自己的CHIP变少很多, 少了
以后就急着赢回来. 这也是很要命的.
昨天下午6点开始的$35000,我都排20多名了, 还剩250, 我拿着AQ FLOP 后舍不得FOLD,
死给AJ. 上周六也是一样, 我都排90-100名, 还剩400~500人, 拿着AQ 打的
AGGRESSIVE, 自己先ALL IN 对上了AA. 其实这个阶段应该SLOW DOWN, 我CHIP多, 时间
在我这边.
这个阶段给新人打, 她就没这个问题, 没成就FOLD, CHIP少了也压力不大, 因为这CHIP
也不是她挣的. 她刚进来打, "斗性"不强. 我从下面打上来, "斗性" 太强, 不好.
1. 说的没错. 应该2X ONLY. 打AJ, QK, QJ都应该READY TO FOLD. 我RAISE 4X纯粹因
为我只想把人赶走, 并不想看 |
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k***n
发帖数: 1682 | 43 CHECK, 给FTP EMAIL 你的ID, 和UTILITY BILL, 证实一次以后就行了. |
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k***n
发帖数: 1682 | 44 thanks hoho..
yes, i just don't want to fight with the chip leader. if losed, i have no
chance to get back. when 1 to 1 pk, he had the best hands at flop, but the
luck stays with me. hoho..
play the structure very well(or big stack |
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k***n
发帖数: 1682 | 45 其实还是输在舍不得 FOLD, AQ, AJ, KQ, KJ 拿到应该有准备看到FLOP后 READY TO
FOLD, 用这些牌ALL IN 没有优势. |
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y********n
发帖数: 2063 | 46 super cong.
KKrun may consider quit job, and become pro. :)
More profitable than regular job. haha.
give us more details on how to win games, please. |
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f*****g
发帖数: 15860 | 47 哥们儿估计正上班打瞌睡呢，呵呵，凌晨4点多才结束。
KKRUN，哪天跟俺上大西洋城刺激美国经济去吧？半年没去了，现在还老送俺好房间。 |
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L****n
发帖数: 490 | 48 congratulation!!!
kkrun 介绍一下heads up 的经验吧
这儿大多数人都不怎么会玩 heads up |
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f*****g
发帖数: 15860 | 49 刚打MTT一个月，就连拿3个大赛冠军，总奖金$17000，亚军都不带考虑的，呵呵，赞！
多写得心得，让俺们学习学习。 |
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f*****g
发帖数: 15860 | 50 呵呵, ring game其实挺tough的，昨天card player上面一个pro讲，online的其实相当
于live 4倍(以赌注论)的难度，也就是说如果你打live 1/2NL的game(一个不错的牌手
也就是$20/hr左右的利润)，online你只应该玩0.25/0.5NL的(这还没有考虑multi
tables，是否还要降低)。
tournament吧，buy-in是死的，虽然你可能3个月都不开胡，但是至少风险低很多，练
习提高的机会也多很多，同样投资的情况下。 |
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