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http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-asia-china-39843680
China human rights lawyer Xie Yang 'admits being brainwashed'
8 May 2017
From the section China
CHEN GUIQIU
Image caption
Xie Yang was detained in July 2015
A Chinese court says a prominent human rights lawyer, Xie Yang, has admitted
being "brainwashed" overseas at his trial for inciting subversion.
It released transcripts in which he says he was trained in Hong Kong and
South Korea to "develop Western constitutionalism in China".
In a video, h... 阅读全帖
g***7
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墨尔本法律援助处律师Legal Aid Lawyers
杜戈.欧布莱恩.乔治刑事律师事务所在Melbourne, Broadmeadows, Heidelberg,
Moorabbin和Sunshine都有办公室。 我们的法律援助律师帮助维多利亚州法律援助处(
简称“VLA”)处理法律援助的案子。 Doogue O’Brien George Criminal Lawyers is
a criminal law firm with offices in Melbourne, Broadmeadows, Heidelberg,
Moorabbin, and Sunshine. Our legal aid lawyers handle legal aid cases for
Victoria Legal Aid (“VLA”).
如果你的案子可以获得法律援助,那么你不需要支付任何费用 – 所有支付墨尔本法律
援助律师的费用都由维州法律援助处支付。 作为法律援助处的律师,我们属于法律援
助处小组,维州法律援助处会付钱给我们来帮助需要法律援助的客户,前提是客户必须
满足维州法律援助处的指导原则。... 阅读全帖
G****a
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Median Salary for Immigration Lawyers
Payscale.com reported that the median yearly salary for lawyers practicing
immigration law was $61,949, according to a 2011 report. Other factors like
location, experience and employer can influence your salary as an
immigration lawyer.
Salary By Location
Salaries for lawyers tend to be higher in larger cities; however, the
competition for jobs and clients can be higher as a result. According to the
U.S. Bureau of Labor Statistics, (www.bls.gov) there may be... 阅读全帖
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WASHINGTON — In a highly unusual move, the Justice Department asked the
Supreme Court on Friday to discipline lawyers for the American Civil
Liberties Union because they helped a 17-year old migrant obtain an abortion
two weeks ago.
The move escalates a legal battle over abortion that arose when Trump
administration officials refused to allow the young woman to leave a refugee
center with a guardian to see an abortion provider. Administration
officials insisted the government need not "facilitat... 阅读全帖
j*******2
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来自主题: EB23版 - Shall I change the lawyer
My ads
Management Analyst, Baltimore, Research, prepare reports, program evaluation
, design systems for transportation & language services company, F/T, M-F,
40 hours, may require travel, Requires min Bachelor in Business Admin or
Economics & 2 years experience in marketing, human resources, business
regulations & strategic business needs, Send CV to __________ at ___________
______.
We are using the lawyer who helps me for h1b rfe for the green card. Above
is the ad she draft and for the pr... 阅读全帖
l****z
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律师的价值:迈阿密律师在脱衣舞俱乐部一个晚上花了将近19,000,翻回头把俱乐部告
上法庭,因为没有阻止他喝醉挥霍;56岁
DUI lawyer sues strip club after he gets drunk and spends $19k in ONE night
By Daily Mail Reporter
Last updated at 6:23 PM on 27th April 2011
He specialises in DUI offences and boasts in a TV advert that he was going
to traffic court when rival lawyers were 'still in diapers'.
But Mark Gold's sense of judgement seems to have deserted him when he spent
$18,930 in one night at a strip joint in Miami.
Now the 56-year-old attorney is taki... 阅读全帖
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A good lawyer doesn't have to understand your fields to make the argument
for you. It is more of a common sense and rigorous presentation. At the end,
you will be the one making all the technical judgment/argument, and present
the raw materials. So you should focus on the lawyer's general credential
and tracking records, rather than his/her knowledge of your particular field
. Just ask people around you, how many can explain unambiguously what quants
exactly do or contribute in fiance? Then you ... 阅读全帖

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http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/blogs-china-blog-39893359
China Blog
Chinese lawyer 'wore torture device for a month'
By John Sudworth
BBC, Beijing
13 May 2017
WANG QIAOLING
Image caption
A picture of Mr Li from 2012 and one taken after his release
It's a form of restraint that would be more in keeping with the practices of
a medieval dungeon than a modern, civilised state.
But the device - leg and hand shackles linked by a short chain - is a well-
documented part of the toolkit that the Chinese polic... 阅读全帖
s******r
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来自主题: EB23版 - How to choose lawyer?
Hi -
I am going to work for a small company and will need to find lawyer myself.
The lawyer who is currently doing the H1B transfer is not the 'proactive'
type and kept waiting until I followed up with him (I'm acting like the
middleman between the lawyer and the employer, to get things done).
I need a lawyer for PERM soon
Two questions --
1. Should I change lawyer?
2. What to look for in a good lawyer? e.g. is Local important? also I felt
that work style is very important...
Any thoughts apprec... 阅读全帖
d********o
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来自主题: Law版 - A Tale of Six Lawyers
Hillary Clinton was a lawyer. Her husband was a lawyer from the same
lawschool. They met in lawschool.
Barack Obama was a lawyer. His wife was a lawyer from the same lawschool.
They met in a law firm (Sidley) when Barack was a summer associate.
John Edwards was a lawyer. His wife was a lawyer from the same lawschool.
They met in lawschool.
s*********8
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An Illinois lawyer who pleaded guilty to having sex with a man for $100 is
suing her former defense attorney and two other lawyers for allegedly
distributing naked photos of her.
Reema Bajaj, 27, says her former lawyer Timothy Johnson, former prosecutor
Calvin Campbell, and a lawyer listed in her complaint only as "John Doe"
gave confidential photos to the public along with unflattering news articles
about her.
Now potential clients, jurors, and judges have all seen these embarrassing
files, Baj... 阅读全帖
B*V
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An Illinois lawyer who pleaded guilty to having sex with a man for $100 is
suing her former defense attorney and two other lawyers for allegedly
distributing naked photos of her.
Reema Bajaj, 27, says her former lawyer Timothy Johnson, former prosecutor
Calvin Campbell, and a lawyer listed in her complaint only as "John Doe"
gave confidential photos to the public along with unflattering news articles
about her.
Now potential clients, jurors, and judges have all seen these embarrassing
files, Baj... 阅读全帖
n******p
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来自主题: Immigration版 - why my lawyer asks so much work from me?
My lawyer asked me to do most of the work such as the jouranl impact factor,
ranking of journals reviewed and published. After I sent them in my format.
They again asked for the same information in another format.
I feel so bad why these kinds of work the lawyers can't do it.
It seems that I paied the money and do the most of the work.
Anyboady wants to share their experience with other lawyers?
Is every lawyer like my lawyer?
m****g
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My PD was messed up by the lawyer. What shall I do?
My company lawyer filed my EB3 China labor certification on 10/2003.
Then in 04/2006, they told me they converted old pending LC to PERM
and recaptured the earlier priority date of 10/2003. The PERM get
approved and I140 approved based on that, in 07/2007, they filed EB3
China I485. They always insist the old PD is recaptured, so my VB should
current now. Now they told me due to some unexpected filing error,
the old PD of 10/2003 were NOT captu... 阅读全帖
z****g
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日常使用没有区别,attorney逼格更高。
当然严格说跟lawyer等价的是attorney-at-law。另外还有attorney-in-fact,是指持
有代理许可(power of attorney)的代理人,不一定是律师。
当然有些词组固定搭配只能用attorney,比如attorney general, district attorney
,你不能说lawyer general或district lawyer,虽然意思就是lawyer。
g********d
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Golinski Has Her Day in Court, DOJ Sends Senior Lawyer To Argue DOMA's
Unconstitutionality
Posted by Chris Geidner |
December 16, 2011 5:10 PM | Permalink
The Department of Justice sent one of its top lawyers to federal court in
San Francisco today to argue that the Defense of Marriage Act's federal
definition of marriage unconstitutionally limits Karen Golinski's ability to
secure health insurance for her wife.
Golinski's case, which began as an ordinary request to include her wife, Amy
Cunning... 阅读全帖

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United States District Court Judge Gonzalo Curiel, the man presiding over
the class-action lawsuit against Trump University, is a member of the La
Raza Lawyers of San Diego and oversaw the gift of a law school scholarship
to an illegal alien.
In his 2011 judicial questionnaire to become a federal judge, Curiel
revealed his history with La Raza. GotNews.com originally reported this
Tuesday, and The Daily Caller has independently verified.
Curiel lists “La Raza Lawyers of San Diego” as a legal ass... 阅读全帖
g****g
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Hiring a Personal Injury Lawyer
By Aaron Larson
Law Offices of Aaron Larson
Contents
* Why do I need a lawyer?
* How much does a personal injury attorney cost?
* Where can I find an attorney?
* Should I hire the personal injury law firm with the 1-800 number, and all
of the ads on TV?
* Should I hire the lawyer with the big "yellow pages" ad?
* Are there special types of personal injury lawers for different types of
cases?
* If I meet with an injury lawyer, do I have to hire him?
* What should I
O***n
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I had a very bad experience with my former lawyer---Steve Qi in LA, during the July crisis. I did not use him finally
altHough I paid the deposit. Now I kept all the emails between me and the lawyer showing he is not professional. I
am
considering to sue this lawyer. Do not be afraid to sue these lawyers. That is the reason I will reveal his name here. I
do not want other fellows to have bad experiences.
Anyone who had bad experince with him? We can unite and fight agaist him. I alreay have one
h****5
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Trying to find a good immigration lawyer that can help a lot in writing
recommendation letters and petition letters for EB-1B application. I know some lawyers do not help
with recommendation letters. My English is a little weak so hope to get
more help from the lawyer. Anyone here knows or used any lawyer that is good
in Washington DC area or DC close to Maryland? Thanks in advance.
z***8
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A San Jose software engineer's long winning streak in the criminal justice
system evaporated Wednesday, as a jury finally convicted him of murder after
a previous panel in 2010 failed to agree on a verdict.
This time, the jury deliberated only two days before finding Jason Cai, 53,
guilty of ambushing lawyer Xia Zhao in the parking lot of her Hamilton
Avenue office. Zhao, a 32-year-old wife and mother, was shot twice -- the
second time at such close range that the muzzle left an imprint on her c... 阅读全帖
f*****u
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本人化学Ph.D毕业,现在big pharm工作两年,PAY 90K左右, 但是在制药公司满地都是
Ph.D, 看着周围同事,假如只做bench scientist的话 SALARY长的特慢, 混5-10年做
group的头也就~130-140K,当然压力也小,相对华尔街而言.
曾经想过读MBA/Quan,但是觉得自己三十好几,再读两年去华尔街毫无优势,而且也不
想full time读书,毕竟还得养活老婆,孩子,全职读书,压力太大。
考虑转行到Patent Lawyer, 这样薪水才有向上的空间,而且Ph.D还排的上用场,各位
转行到Patent Lawyer前辈给点意见,拍砖也行,毕竟是一个大的Career Change,希望
先就把各方面权衡好,多谢先!!
顺便问一下,Patent Lawyer的压力比华尔街如何?假如想有经验后海龟,这个Patent
Lawyer有优势吗?
b****z
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May 27, 2011
The New York State Court of Appeals has announced new changes to its rules
for foreign lawyers who finish a US LL.M. degree to qualify for the state
bar exam. The amendments went into effect on May 18.
The changes are focused on the required curriculum of LL.M. programs that
make many foreign lawyers eligible to sit the bar.
For example, to be eligible, lawyers will have to have completed LL.M.
programs that meet the following criteria:
- require at least 24 credit hours of coursewo... 阅读全帖

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Local prosecutors in south China’s Hunan Province have dismissed reports
that a Chinese lawyer, Xie Yang, was “tortured in detention,” denouncing
them as untrue in a state media investigation that revealed that previous
claims were based on fabricated information.
44-year-old Xie was detained in July 2015 on charges of subversion and
disrupting court proceedings. Reports of him “suffering after being beaten
and having sleep deprivation” began to surface outside China last October,
alleging that ... 阅读全帖
T*********s
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【 以下文字转载自 Automobile 讨论区 】
发信人: publix (where shopping is a pleasure), 信区: Automobile
标 题: 求有经验GA 华人criminal defense lawyer (转载)
发信站: BBS 未名空间站 (Mon Apr 9 11:17:44 2018, 美东)
发信人: peace1 (peace1), 信区: Georgia
标 题: 求有经验GA 华人criminal defense lawyer
发信站: BBS 未名空间站 (Tue Mar 27 15:31:30 2018, 美东)
最好是在berrien county。
因为超速被交警拦阻。没有坐在车里等警察开罚单,而是举着双手走近警察跟警察争论
,让不要开罚单。警察让我回车里三次,没听。被逮捕到berrien county georgia
sheriff office 呆了几个小时。收到两张ticket, speeding 和 obstruction。
求有经验GA华人criminal defense lawyer,最好是在berr... 阅读全帖
O****C
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来自主题: Military版 - Lawyer与Attorney有什么区别?
感觉意思反了。根据我一贯印象,lawyer干啥的都有,好多是坐在办公室看文件,比如
patent lawyer等等;但attorney应该是在司法领域里的lawyer.

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c*****9
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Local prosecutors in south China’s Hunan Province have dismissed reports
that a Chinese lawyer, Xie Yang, was “tortured in detention,” denouncing
them as untrue in a state media investigation that revealed that previous
claims were based on fabricated information.
44-year-old Xie was detained in July 2015 on charges of subversion and
disrupting court proceedings. Reports of him “suffering after being beaten
and having sleep deprivation” began to surface outside China last October,
alleging that ... 阅读全帖
l****z
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Poor ‘Senior’ in Dem Ad Bashing George Allen is Actually Democrat Trial
Lawyer
by Jammie
How sloppy. Can’t they just pay someone to read the talking points instead
of one of their own donors?
An elderly man in a widely seen Democratic TV ad who assails Virginia
Senate candidate George Allen for backing partial privatization of Social
Security, possibly threatening his fixed income, is a prominent Democratic
trial lawyer known for defending former Redskins owner Jack Kent Cooke in
his legal t... 阅读全帖

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Local prosecutors in south China’s Hunan Province have dismissed reports
that a Chinese lawyer, Xie Yang, was “tortured in detention,” denouncing
them as untrue in a state media investigation that revealed that previous
claims were based on fabricated information.
44-year-old Xie was detained in July 2015 on charges of subversion and
disrupting court proceedings. Reports of him “suffering after being beaten
and having sleep deprivation” began to surface outside China last October,
alleging that ... 阅读全帖
j*********r
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细节不明,待续
Peter Strzok, the FBI official under fire over a series of anti-Trump text
messages, was ‘escorted’ from the FBI building, his lawyer confirmed to
Fox News on Tuesday.
Strzok's lawyer Aitan Goelman argued that even though his client has "played
by the rules," he has been targeted by "unfounded personal attacks,
political games and inappropriate information leaks."
"All of this seriously calls into question the impartiality of the
disciplinary process, which now appears tainted by politic... 阅读全帖
w***n
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来自主题: Living版 - LAWYERS' INCOME IN NEW YORK
LAWYERS' INCOME IN NEW YORK
Excerpt of article by Andrew Beveridge, December, 2004
Think “New York Lawyer” and it is easy to picture a partner who earns $1.391
million a year (which was the average compensation for a partner in a top New
York law firm in 2003, according to the American Lawyer). Even first-year
associates – people just out of law school -- can make up to $150,000 a year.
The top earners make more than anywhere else in the United States, and there
are so many more of them in New
n*****s
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每个州的法律不同,我们州就不要求lawyer。所以当时我们的agent也是这样建议的。
不过closing的时候我们还是请了lawyer,花了300多刀,感觉lawyer没干啥,就是
review了一下closing documents然后给我们解释了一下专业名词。
当然看你买什么样的房了。。。
f******y
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来自主题: Medicine版 - Insurance problem, please recommend lawyer
Have a huge bill, both my dental and health insurace denied. I am looking
for lawyer help as last step?
How to find lawyers that deal with this kind of case? Anyone has similar
experiences? Does the lawyer have to be local?
Thx.
w***n
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来自主题: Working版 - LAWYERS' INCOME IN NEW YORK
LAWYERS' INCOME IN NEW YORK
Excerpt of article by Andrew Beveridge, December, 2004
Think “New York Lawyer” and it is easy to picture a partner who earns $1.391
million a year (which was the average compensation for a partner in a top New
York law firm in 2003, according to the American Lawyer). Even first-year
associates – people just out of law school -- can make up to $150,000 a year.
The top earners make more than anywhere else in the United States, and there
are so many more of them in New
f******e
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那个HR上星期就把一些paperworks让我填了,然后我把其他材料(passport copy/etc.
)都发过去了,以为HR会很快发给lawyer,结果今天lawyer发了封email( cc了我)问表
格填完没...
。。。晕,这HR动作太慢了,而且一问三不知...既然H1b都可以自己找lawyer办,那可
不可以直接把填完的表格和材料寄给律师啊?(而不是等HR去寄)
m*********r
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关键字: Good (or bad) Immigration lawyers in Kansas City area
发信站: BBS 未名空间站 (Tue Jan 4 20:09:51 2011, 美东)
Hi,
I want file EB1 soon and I am wondering if anyone would be willing to share
their good (or bad)
experiences with immigration lawyers in Kansas City area. I don't want to
waste my time and money
on a bad lawyer.
Thanks!
T*******y
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You can ask your lawyer how long it takes for him/her to respond to your
email questions (often within 24 hours or less), to revise your drafts (
maybe one day per letter, etc), to write up the PL (oftentimes a week, well,
some lawyers may say up to a month though, depending on how many cases they
have on hand), etc.
You need to spend time to write up the letters (although some lawyers may
write them, but with extra charge, and you need to provide a research
statement anyway), and to wait for th... 阅读全帖
g***a
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来自主题: Immigration版 - lawyer selection
I wish to hire a lawyer for eb1a or NIW+Eb1a, any suggestions for lawyer
selection? Yao Law charged $4,500 for NIW+Eb1a, Jerry Zhang $7,000, Fan $7,
500, Liu 6,750
The fee and quality? Any one hired Yao Law before, how is the service? How
about other Lawyer?
My case was weak Eb1a, but thought might give a try:
My background:
Ph.D.: Earth and Environmental Sciences (water contamination)
Journal publication: 1st author 6, coauthor: 1
Review other’s paper: 1
Conference paper: 15
Conference session... 阅读全帖
O*****n
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今天和公司的律师通了电话,说是phD满三年才给办EB1B. 我 argue说只需要有三年的
research experience,phD期间的research也可以claim. 但是他说他是公司的lawyer
,不是我的 lawyer, 不愿意take the risk... 大家有遇到类似的情况么,都是怎么说
服lawyer的呢?
我现在急着要绿卡的原因是LG明年OPT到期,不能延长, 也就不能工作了。这个律师说
我可以先file EB1A, 在我们I140 审理(485 pending)的时候,我LG即使OPT到期也可
以继续工作。我不太了解相关的policy, 想问问版上的各位这个说法靠谱么?
多谢了!!
n***m
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“他是公司的lawyer,不是我的 lawyer”,他说的很对,你找错人了,是公司的HR在
卡。

lawyer
p****n
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Anybody can recommend a good and reliable lawyer for GC application?And
wondering which is better between Chinese and American Lawyer.Also, Who has
comments for Fan Yi YU lawyer on Wenxuecity.com? Any suggestion will be
appreciated.

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Local prosecutors in south China’s Hunan Province have dismissed reports
that a Chinese lawyer, Xie Yang, was “tortured in detention,” denouncing
them as untrue in a state media investigation that revealed that previous
claims were based on fabricated information.
44-year-old Xie was detained in July 2015 on charges of subversion and
disrupting court proceedings. Reports of him “suffering after being beaten
and having sleep deprivation” began to surface outside China last October,
alleging that ... 阅读全帖
t*s
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来自主题: Carolinas版 - recommend a good immigration lawyer in rtp?
can anyone recommend an immigration lawyer?
hopefully someone who is experienced and patient
thanks!
btw, say, i need an immigration lawyer to help me, does it matter if the
lawyer is located in NC or not?
Thanks very much!
g*******e
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来自主题: Louisiana版 - Immgration lawyers
I know there are 2 lawyers in New Orleans. Which lawyer is best in Houston?
Anybody has some experience with the lawyers in New Orleans or other cities of
LA?
3x in advance.
t**g
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三个选择
lender office
seller lawyer office
buyer lawyer office
请问一般都是在lender或者seller office选择closing的吗?
我问这个是因为我的buyer lawyer告诉我,如果不在她的区域closing,我就要多付$
200,然后她跟我说closing一般都是发生在lender或者seller office
钱是小事,只是她的语气让我很不爽,我多问两句,就说我矫情,舍不得200块钱。我
擦,有点火大
s*******h
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【 以下文字转载自 Military 讨论区 】
发信人: dodgers (Dodgers), 信区: Military
标 题: 华人需要打官司的钱和自己的trial lawyer
发信站: BBS 未名空间站 (Mon Oct 28 16:52:57 2013, 美东)
华人需要trial lawyer和自己的legal defense fund,就是能上厅交锋的,也必须有资
金支持。可惜大多数法学院毕业的华人最后还是选择公司法,因为语言能力,这个
trial lawyer的培养,需要几代人。
美国黑人为了自己权利,打了无数官司,从1920年到1970年代,官司无数,很多打到最
高法庭,然后赢了后,再打官司,为了法律执行。
就一个Brown v. Board of Education 的案子,最高法院赢了后,说是不允许不同种族
不同学校分开教育,可是各个学区不干。然后又到全美数百个学区打官司,强迫那些学
区执行,一直到所有学区不许种族分开教育,黑人花费了多少人力和财力。
这个Brown v. Board of Education的案子,如果黑人不打赢,现在bbs版上的,或者自
... 阅读全帖
b*******y
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Beyond guilt or innocence, the case against Florida murder suspect George
Zimmerman will undoubtedly leave him broke.
The controversial concealed handgun license holder made headlines last
spring when he claimed he killed 17-year-old Trayvon Martin in self-defense
during a violent scuffle. Zimmerman hasn’t worked in the year since the
shooting and faces a mountain of debt to avoid a possible 25 years to life
in prison.
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c**i
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I am not a lawyer, but engaged in legal field for more than a decade. The
average income for a lawyer nationwide is less than 100 K. Then there is a
report, see the 1st sentence under the heading "money and salary":
http://www.law.indiana.edu/publications/particulars/2001winter/lawyersat.shtml
(Note that if one is still in a lawrge private law firm after 15 years, he or
she probably is a partner by then.)
You wrote, "Most lawyers don't work for money." It is definitely untrue.
r**********e
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来自主题: Law版 - The Snakehead Lawyers(ZZ)
The Snakehead Lawyers
Experts say some immigration lawyers are really defending the interests of the
smugglers who pay their fees
Elizabeth Amon
The National Law Journal
07-17-2002
In New York's Chinese community they're called "snakeheads" -- smugglers who
run the lucrative and dangerous underground trafficking in human beings. And,
as in any business, the snakeheads need lawyers.
As a result, say a wide variety of sources, a group of attorneys plays a dual
role. Although they nominally represe
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来自主题: Law版 - Re: Who is a IP lawyer now?
pinkmartini is probably a lawyer.
My guess is the current number of Chinese IP lawyers should be in the
hundreds. Suppose the number of years is 10 since first Chinese PhD/JD went
into market, and suppose more than 10 and less than 50 a year(one for each 1st
tier school). 100 professors in top universities. The number of patent agents is harder to
estimate.
There will be at least three IP lawyers from our college class of 33 people.
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