l****z
发帖数: 29846 | 1 People who don't follow politics tend to believe that conservatives and
liberals are just flip sides of the same coin. In other words, conservatives
are pro-life, pro-gun, and fiscally conservative while liberals are pro-
choice, anti-gun, and want to tax and spend, but otherwise, there are no
real differences.
However, if you follow politics closely, you'll find that there's a gulf as
wide as the ocean between the average politically active conservative and
the average politically active libera... 阅读全帖 |
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j******s
发帖数: 1096 | 2 The division of the human family into its two distinct branches occurred
some 10,000 years ago, a few hundred years after the flood... Humans
coexisted as members of small bands of nomadic hunter/gatherers.
In the pivotal event of societal evolution, beer was invented. This epochal
innovation was both the foundation of modern civilization and the occasion
of the great bifurcation of humanity into its two distinct subgroups:
Liberals and Conservatives.
Once beer was discovered, it required grain,... 阅读全帖 |
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l****z
发帖数: 29846 | 3 February 25, 2012 | Posted by David Robertson
Liberalism comes in two forms, each having its own origin. Material (or
fiscal) liberalism is born out of the desire to avoid competing for
resources, goods and services. Social liberalism is born out of the desire
to do whatever is emotionally pleasing. The post that follows pertains
specifically to social liberalism.
* * * * * * *
In a post of his, Paul made an excellent point that became lost in the
ruckus pertaining to another post. Here is wha... 阅读全帖 |
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l****z
发帖数: 29846 | 4 by Jeffrey Lord
Twinkicide.
Death by Liberalism.
This time it's Twinkies.
In October it was Newsweek.
Who's next? What does this lemming-like liberal instinct mean for America?
What is it that bakers and editors had in common as they looked into the
abyss that would spell their own professional death? And then jumped?
Answer: They'd rather be dead than Not Liberal. Unfortunately for the rest
of us -- they are not alone. Worse, they are in charge.
Presented with multiple opportunities to survive ... 阅读全帖 |
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l****z
发帖数: 29846 | 5 May 23, 2012 by Warner Todd Huston
The Washington Post published a long Op Ed by a pair of think tankers
pretending at both being “centrists” and offering an unbiased analysis of
why politics has gotten so “partisan” these days. The pair also claim they
know how to end this messy partisanship. But what they wrote is a perfect
example of why things have become so polarized, not an example of how to fix
anything.
The authors, Thomas E. Mann and Norman J. Ornstein, published theirs
headlined, “Wa... 阅读全帖 |
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l****z
发帖数: 29846 | 6 By Tom Trinko
As more details come out, it appears that the administration wasn't
following its mantra of terrorist-as-crook when it came to executing, no pun
intended, the Osama raid.
SEALs are not bloodthirsty killers and if they'd been told to capture Osama
no matter what, he'd be sitting in a holding cell somewhere fighting off
armies of liberal lawyers trying to represent him and not being recycled at
the bottom of the ocean.
That doesn't mean that Obama actually ordered the SEALs to kill O... 阅读全帖 |
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T*********I
发帖数: 10729 | 7
Ａｂｓｏｌｕｔｅｌｙ．
1. Tell the Truth. Liberals HATE the truth.
2. Buy guns, own guns, talk about how much you love guns. Liberals HATE guns
because guns give "The People" power and NOT their Liberal leaders.
Liberals do not believe the WE have a right to defend ourselves. Liberals
would rather that you HIDE behind a cop, lawyer, judge, reporter, or
politician.
3. Speak loudly on how you support laws that ban and crack down on illegal
aliens. Liberals love illegal aliens because they can use them to
de... 阅读全帖 |
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C*****E
发帖数: 2679 | 8 这句话恰恰说明了LZ是屁股决定脑袋，不愿意就事论事地分析，无论哪个问题，直接挑
liberal的一方坐定。
按我觉得，世界上有几种liberal，在我心中排行如下：
1. 现实地，愿意就事论事理性分析解决问题，只是立场恰好偏左的liberal，比如比尔
·克林顿。
2. 自己吃福利，人不为己天诛地灭的liberal，比如吃福利的黑人老莫。
3. 真心相信天下为公，世界大同，真心杞人忧天地保护环境想解决全球气侯变暖之类
的liberal。 或者被liberal propaganda蒙骗的liberal，hippies 纽约三番大多数是
这种liberal。之所以把3排在2后面，是因为2的人知道自己想要啥，3根本不知道。
4. 通过liberal propaganda来骗选票的政治家，比如Al Gore，Obama这种liberal
5. 脑袋一团浆糊，屁都不懂，somehow就选了liberal这边来站队的liberal，比如楼主。 |
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f*******2
发帖数: 149 | 9 【 以下文字转载自 USANews 讨论区 】
发信人: firework2 (firework), 信区: USANews
标 题: 民主党被liberals害惨了
发信站: BBS 未名空间站 (Sun Jul 8 21:00:36 2018, 美东)
现在的问题是 民主党 和 liberals 绑在一起，中间派受不了Liberals,只能投向右派
。 democrat中有一些比较正常的左派，只是在全球变暖，堕胎，gun的问题上和右派不
同，他们也反AA,也追求公平，认为there is no free lunch, you have to earn it。
但是liberals就不同了，他们完全就是颠倒黑白, 惩罚hard working,奖励懒惰，最糟
糕的是，你不同意我我就整死你，你必须同意我的这种法西斯一样的理念。
希拉里在08年PK奥巴马的时候其实比较偏中间派，无奈现在liberals的思潮太强烈，为
了迎合选票，为了权力，希拉里加入了liberals的阵营。其实就包括很多liberals的政
客，也是政治投机主义，他们并不care 这些极左想法，他们仅仅是为了选票。... 阅读全帖 |
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l****z
发帖数: 29846 | 10 1) The Founding Fathers were generally religious, gun-toting small
government fanatics who were so far to the Right that they'd make Ann
Coulter look like Jimmy Carter.
2) The greatest evil this country has ever committed isn't slavery; it's
killing more than 50 million innocent children via abortion.
3) Conservatives are much more compassionate than liberals and all you have
to do to prove it is look at all the studies showing that conservatives give
more of their money to charity than liberals... 阅读全帖 |
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l****z
发帖数: 29846 | 11 "If you are a liberal – as I am – you should be the most offended"
by Rick aka Mr. Brutally Honest
Kirsten Powers is a rare breed... an honest liberal:
Recently, the White House has kept Fox News off of conference calls
dealing with the Benghazi attack, despite Fox News being the only outlet
that was regularly reporting on it and despite Fox having top notch foreign
policy reporters.
They have left Chris Wallace’s "Fox News Sunday" out of a round of
interviews that included CNN, NBC, ABC... 阅读全帖 |
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m********a
发帖数: 1312 | 12 很久以前第一次接触libertarian这个概念，以为和liberal意义接近，后来发现其实两
者之间存在天壤之别。wiki上面对于美国libertarianism的定义是"economically
conservative" and "socially liberal" political views, along with a foreign
policy of non-interventionism.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Libertarianism
而对于social liberal的理解，真正的libertarian和liberal之间也是存在差异的，下
面这篇文章总结的很好
“As a gross generalization, libertarianism advocates freedom to do whatever
you like (short of harming others). Liberalism supports freedom to do
whatever liberals like, everything els... 阅读全帖 |
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f*******2
发帖数: 149 | 13 现在的问题是 民主党 和 liberals 绑在一起，中间派受不了Liberals,只能投向右派
。 democrat中有一些比较正常的左派，只是在全球变暖，堕胎，gun的问题上和右派不
同，他们也反AA,也追求公平，认为there is no free lunch, you have to earn it。
但是liberals就不同了，他们完全就是颠倒黑白, 惩罚hard working,奖励懒惰，最糟
糕的是，你不同意我我就整死你，你必须同意我的这种法西斯一样的理念。
希拉里在08年PK奥巴马的时候其实比较偏中间派，无奈现在liberals的思潮太强烈，为
了迎合选票，为了权力，希拉里加入了liberals的阵营。其实就包括很多liberals的政
客，也是政治投机主义，他们并不care 这些极左想法，他们仅仅是为了选票。而奥巴
马是真正推崇这些liberals的理念的人。当liberals的人数有一定的规模的时候，就需
要一只强有力的手把天平弄平衡。
不少中间派并不反对正常的左派，但是对liberals是真的忍无可忍，只有把liberals切
割，民主党才会重新变成一个正常的党 |
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h******g
发帖数: 209 | 14 你对liberal的理解是完全错误的。左派的liberal是和社会主义接近的。而classical
liberal是源自洛克，休谟的古典自由主义，本来就属于右派的思想来源，和
libertarian相接近。哈耶克，米塞斯的奥地利学派与佛利德曼为代表的芝加哥学派都
是继承了这一思想。左派把classical liberal赶出校园，称他们是alt-right没有太大
错误，倒是楼主听到liberal就以为是自由主义是完全错误的。我记得一篇英语文章上
说是纽约时报最早串改了liberal的定义。很多信左派的人就是受了liberal这个词的误
导，以为左派代表自由，右派代表独裁，真是可悲。真正的大右派如诺齐克等都是反大
政府的。因为右派惧怕政府大到一定程度后会夺去个人的自由，变成独裁，让社会变成
1984的社会。大选时看左逼和msm引用1984真是让我笑死。看看佛利德曼对自由主义这
个词定义变化的说明：
“从19世纪晚期开始，尤其是在1930年后的美国，自由主义一词改变了涵义，变成了另
一种涵义非常不同的东西，尤其是在经济政策上完全不同。这一名词变成用以形容那种
依靠国家机器管理、而不是个人... 阅读全帖 |
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b*****d
发帖数: 61690 | 15 liberals自己说的。
http://www.salon.com/news/opinion/feature/2008/11/21/liberals
Is it OK to be liberal again, instead of progressive?
Come out of the closet, liberals. Stop using the fashionable euphemism "
progressive" and relaunch the old, tarnished L-word.
If the conservative era is over, can liberals come out of their defensive
crouch and call themselves liberals again, instead of progressives?
In the last two decades, Democratic politicians, including Barack Obama,
have abandoned the term "libe... 阅读全帖 |
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d*b
发帖数: 4184 | 16 OK liberals, this list is your top ten most liberal cities in the US. These
are your cities.
1 Detroit Michigan
I don't think much needs to be said about Detroit.
Detroit also came in second in crime. The crime in Detroit is so bad, the
crime has it's own wiki page. Serious, look it up. The most financially
insolvent city in this country just happens to be the one with the second
highest crime rate. Therefore, we can assume based on this city alone that
if your cities economy goes into the toile... 阅读全帖 |
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l****z
发帖数: 29846 | 17 Published on CNS News http://www.cnsnews.com
Liberals’ Double Standard on Bathrooms, Boycotts, and Religious Freedom
If it wasn’t for double-standards, some liberals would have none at all.
That seems to be the lesson from the past few weeks, where liberals have
displayed three distinct forms of hypocrisy.
Liberal governors and mayors signed travel bans to North Carolina and
Mississippi, CEOs of major corporations pledged boycotts and relocations,
and Bruce Springsteen and Bryan Adams have can... 阅读全帖 |
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g********2
发帖数: 6571 | 18 September 9, 2016
The Battleground Poll and Trump's Path to Victory
By Bruce Walker
The GWU Battleground Poll published on September 9 shows Donald Trump a
clear path to victory: win the conservative vote. The data in this poll has
been consistent over the last two decades, and the data in the latest poll
is no different. The overwhelming majority of Americans are self-identified
conservatives.
The September 2016 Battleground Poll shows that 54% of all Americans are
self-identified conservativ... 阅读全帖 |
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g******4
发帖数: 6339 | 19 我喜欢爱德华·肯尼迪一点: 来自富裕的家庭, 一生坚持自己信仰.
Kennedy had a lifetime liberal 90 percent score from the ADA through 2004,[
272] while the ACU awarded Kennedy a lifetime conservative rating of 2
percent through 2008.[273] Using another metric, Kennedy had a lifetime
average liberal score of 88.7 percent, according to a National Journal
analysis that places him ideologically as the third-most liberal senator of
all those in office in 2009.[274] A 2004 analysis by political scientists
Joshua D. Clinton of Prince... 阅读全帖 |
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b**********5
发帖数: 7881 | 20 【 以下文字转载自 NewYork 讨论区 】
发信人: beefcurtain5 (beefcurtain5), 信区: NewYork
标 题: so sick of race baiting by liberals these days
发信站: BBS 未名空间站 (Thu Jul 21 03:21:39 2016, 美东)
seriously, with all kinds of interracial marriages going on these days, what
exactly is black, white, asian, hispanic.. a kid born today in america
could easily have all these bloods in him/her...
an anthropologist once predicted that almost all people would end up being
dark brown skin color anyways...
but the fucking liberals ... 阅读全帖 |
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l****z
发帖数: 29846 | 21 Irony: Pro-Abortion Liberals Shocked And Saddened That Cop Killer Is Put To
Death
by n*****[email protected] (The blogprof)
http://1.bp.blogspot.com/-
SBnUO3eRJGs/TnuLbbe9JcI/AAAAAAAAKUU/L97wWXl2OHs/s400/Davis+execution.jpg
Which of these do you suppose is pro-abortion? (My guess: all of 'em)
I don't get it. A convicted cop killer growing old on death row for a
college kid's entire lifetime, after many appeals and reviews of evidence,
gets a painless lethal injection and liberals are outraged. These... 阅读全帖 |
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l****z
发帖数: 29846 | 22 65 Percent of Union Members Say Obama is More Liberal Than They Are
(CNSNews.com) - President Barack Obama has tried to portray himself as a
champion of the average American against a wealthy elite. However, a new
Rasmussen poll found that 65 percent of union members say they believe Obama
is more liberal than they are.
The poll also found that 59 percent of likely voters think Obama is more
liberal than they are, an increase of 7 points from last month.
When asked if in political terms Presiden... 阅读全帖 |
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l*******z
发帖数: 4276 | 23 If you ever wondered what side of the fence you sit on, this is a great test!
If a conservative doesn't like guns, he doesn't buy one. If a liberal doesn'
t like guns, he wants all guns outlawed.
If a conservative is a vegetarian, he doesn't eat meat. If a liberal is a
vegetarian, he wants all meat products banned for everyone.
If a conservative is down-and-out, he thinks about how to better his
situation. A liberal wonders who is going to take care of him.
If a conservative doesn't like a talk ... 阅读全帖 |
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m********n
发帖数: 211 | 24 美国以抗税开国，现在两党政争，也离不开怎么花钱的问题，而不是隔壁楼上讲的
liberal -> progressive vs. conservative 那么简单。
说穿了，一个是根本上的政策问题，另一个是怎么去包装，建立政治联盟，以图赢得大
多数选票的问题。两者互为倚靠，但不能混为一谈。
以wealth allocation为例，共和党基本上是反对的，民主党虽然遮遮掩掩扭扭捏捏，
但基本上是这么做的。从意识形态的角度而言，两者各有自己的理论基础和历史由来；
而从政治联盟的角度来看，共和党向来注重维持既得利益阶层的现状，而民主党则以拉
拢穷人，女人以及少数族裔为主，这样一来，和两党的税收政策正好相辅相成，但很难
辨别谁是因谁是果。
所以讲到liberalism或者是conservatism，这个是两党打出来的招牌，就看谁的魅惑指
数更高了，而未见得是立党之本。大家都看不上奥巴马，可不能不承认他搭的这个帐篷
有够大，比共和党搭的大。毛泽东作调查研究，搞阶级分析，也是为了达到这个目的，
民族资产阶级，中农，知识分子，都是要争取的对象；革命成功以后，又是另一回事了。
这不，讲到trump，共... 阅读全帖 |
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z*****a
发帖数: 3809 | 25 【 以下文字转载自 NewYork 讨论区 】
发信人: beefcurtain5 (beefcurtain5), 信区: NewYork
标 题: so sick of race baiting by liberals these days
发信站: BBS 未名空间站 (Thu Jul 21 03:21:39 2016, 美东)
seriously, with all kinds of interracial marriages going on these days, what
exactly is black, white, asian, hispanic.. a kid born today in america
could easily have all these bloods in him/her...
an anthropologist once predicted that almost all people would end up being
dark brown skin color anyways...
but the fucking liberals ... 阅读全帖 |
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a**e
发帖数: 8800 | 26 这里有一个关键没有提：
大学入学现在就是一个liberal的初级筛选。
凡是不按照liberal模式过高中生活的，不是按liberal的观点写申请的，录取机会会低
于同等成绩的liberal学生。
无论公立还是私立都是这样。
这样的结果就是大学生中liberal占绝对多数比例。刚毕业的学生中liberal占绝对多数
比例。直到生活和社会把他们中靠工作生活的人改变成anti-liberal.
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l*******g
发帖数: 27064 | 27 千万不要被左叉给忽悠了
左叉那些主张就是人类社会癌症和艾滋病。无论是liberal还是leftist，只不过是癌症
早期和晚期的差异而已
普通liberal一旦认定了他们的“理想”，并且通过正常手段没法实现这些东西，分分
钟就会变成他们嘴里所谓的leftist。就像LoneStar2017的一张图文章内所说，左叉的
理念本身就是掠夺，而不是交换。所以左叉无论是温和的掠夺还是暴力掠夺本质上是没
有任何差异的。
他们的根子是一样的
一些基本理念没有任何差异，只不过行事风格的差异而已
例如喜欢集体主义，大政府，大锅饭平均主义，圣母装逼，给自己贴金，把自己屎盆子
扣到对手头上，种族主义……
只不过liberal偏向中间，行事没那么激烈，做坏事还要遮遮掩掩，就像共和党内的左
叉卧底
leftist属于极左，各种无所顾忌，公然撒谎，颠倒黑白，就像民猪党和现在的fake
news那些人渣
现在的情况是属于原本左叉抹黑右派的东西逐渐被人发现了，掩盖不住了
例如说种族主义是右派，纳粹是极右，这些谎言越来越多的被人质疑
所以左叉们想尽办法想把这些东西和自己撇开
所以生造一个leftist和liberal的... 阅读全帖 |
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l*******g
发帖数: 27064 | 28 千万不要被左叉给忽悠了
左叉那些主张就是人类社会癌症和艾滋病。无论是liberal还是leftist，只不过是癌症
早期和晚期的差异而已
普通liberal一旦认定了他们的“理想”，并且通过正常手段没法实现这些东西，分分
钟就会变成他们嘴里所谓的leftist。就像LoneStar2017的一张图文章内所说，左叉的
理念本身就是掠夺，而不是交换。所以左叉无论是温和的掠夺还是暴力掠夺本质上是没
有任何差异的。
他们的根子是一样的
一些基本理念没有任何差异，只不过行事风格的差异而已
例如喜欢集体主义，大政府，大锅饭平均主义，圣母装逼，给自己贴金，把自己屎盆子
扣到对手头上，种族主义……
只不过liberal偏向中间，行事没那么激烈，做坏事还要遮遮掩掩，就像共和党内的左
叉卧底
leftist属于极左，各种无所顾忌，公然撒谎，颠倒黑白，就像民猪党和现在的fake
news那些人渣
现在的情况是属于原本左叉抹黑右派的东西逐渐被人发现了，掩盖不住了
例如说种族主义是右派，纳粹是极右，这些谎言越来越多的被人质疑
所以左叉们想尽办法想把这些东西和自己撇开
所以生造一个leftist和liberal的... 阅读全帖 |
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l*******g
发帖数: 27064 | 29 都不是好东西
千万不要被左叉给忽悠了
左叉那些主张就是人类社会癌症和艾滋病。无论是liberal还是leftist，只不过是癌症
早期和晚期的差异而已
普通liberal一旦认定了他们的“理想”，并且通过正常手段没法实现这些东西，分分
钟就会变成他们嘴里所谓的leftist。就像LoneStar2017的一张图文章内所说，左叉的
理念本身就是掠夺，而不是交换。所以左叉无论是温和的掠夺还是暴力掠夺本质上是没
有任何差异的。
他们的根子是一样的
一些基本理念没有任何差异，只不过行事风格的差异而已
例如喜欢集体主义，大政府，大锅饭平均主义，圣母装逼，给自己贴金，把自己屎盆子
扣到对手头上，种族主义……
只不过liberal偏向中间，行事没那么激烈，做坏事还要遮遮掩掩，就像共和党内的左
叉卧底
leftist属于极左，各种无所顾忌，公然撒谎，颠倒黑白，就像民猪党和现在的fake
news那些人渣
现在的情况是属于原本左叉抹黑右派的东西逐渐被人发现了，掩盖不住了
例如说种族主义是右派，纳粹是极右，这些谎言越来越多的被人质疑
所以左叉们想尽办法想把这些东西和自己撇开
所以生造一个leftist和l... 阅读全帖 |
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发帖数: 7881 | 30 seriously, with all kinds of interracial marriages going on these days, what
exactly is black, white, asian, hispanic.. a kid born today in america
could easily have all these bloods in him/her...
an anthropologist once predicted that almost all people would end up being
dark brown skin color anyways...
but the fucking liberals and liberal media have to label everyone into a
single fucking category! separate everybody into a group! u r no longer a
fucking individual with self responsibility. u... 阅读全帖 |
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发帖数: 3756 | 31 近几十年liberal的大发展，与这类人增多有关，这些人没有生育儿女，有大量金钱，
时间去做这些无聊的东西，周润发，梁朝伟这些都是liberal，有孩子又是liberal的是
伪liberal,这些人不过打着旗号为自己谋利益，而没有孩子的liberal往往非常坚定，
因为他们很少有后顾之忧，也不怕损失 |
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发帖数: 29846 | 32 Mon, Jul. 23, 2012 Posted: 09:14 AM EDT
In 2006, the Episcopal Church's presiding bishop, Katherine Jefferts Schori,
told the New York Times that Episcopalians were not interested in "
replenishing their ranks by having children." Instead, the church "[
encouraged] people to pay attention to the stewardship of the earth and not
use more than their portion."
"Stewardship of the earth" and having children are not incompatible, but if
Schori's goal was a principled extinction, she's about to succee... 阅读全帖 |
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发帖数: 42116 | 33 If by "Liberal" they mean, as they want people to believe, someone who is
soft in his policies abroad, who is against local government, and who is
unconcerned with the taxpayer's dollar, then the record of this party and
its members demonstrate that we are not that kind of "Liberal." But if by a
"Liberal" they mean someone who looks ahead and not behind, someone who
welcomes new ideas without rigid reactions, someone who cares about the
welfare of the people -- their health, their housing, their... 阅读全帖 |
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发帖数: 5965 | 34 A liberal became obsessed with Megyn Kelly, she spent days following her
show Fox News, and this liberal believed that Megyn is a liberal.
Anyone with half of a functioning brain wouldn't think Megyn Kelly is a
liberal.
There are three types of liberals in America...
1. The evil ones, with hidden agendas
2. The dumb or stupid ones
3. The mislead ones |
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发帖数: 4184 | 35 Liberal and Conservative cities were categorized by how they voted either
largely liberal or conservative.
The national average is 4 violent crimes per 1000 of the population and all
15 top liberal cities exceed this average and 12 were double the national
average. Liberal cities were determined by the population largely voting
either democrat,Green Party the Peace, Freedom Party, and Ralph Nader
counting as liberal votes.
Eight of the 15 most conservative cities have violent crime rates at or
b... 阅读全帖 |
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发帖数: 3173 | 36 (ZT)A recent poll found that 51 percent of Democrats supported criminalizing
hate speech. It also found that the same number of self-described liberals
supported its criminalization.
Liberal self-identification has hit its highest mark in decades while the
ranks of the moderates have declined. And while the idea that the liberal
and the moderate are opposites may be a troubling one to those who still
think of liberalism in classical terms, the modern liberal is really a
leftist in denial. |
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发帖数: 156 | 37 小心"自由主義"的涵義! 一不小心, 那是完全相反的意義! 英文的 liberalism 與
libertarianism 都是自由主義, 雖然有人把後者翻譯為"自由意志主義"或"自由至上主
義," 但那只是為了與前者有所區別而加了一些說明性的文字而已. 習慣上, 我把前者
稱為"左派自由主義;" 而稱後者為"右派自由主義." Liberal 與 progressive 被視為
同意字, 是現代左派的代名詞; libertarian 與 conservative 則為右派.
progressive 雖說是進步的, 但也有激進的涵義; 正好與 conservative(保守) 的涵義
相反.
Liberal 強調捍衛自己的權利, 比較不去提及義務責任的部分; libertarian 則相反(
或不同), 強調同時注重每一個人的權利與責任. 這樣的涵意剛好符合 progressive
與 conservative 的差別. 例如在墮胎的議題上, liberal 偏向主張所謂的 "pro-
choice(贊成隨意墮胎);" 而 libertarian 則偏向主張 "pro-li... 阅读全帖 |
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发帖数: 1503 | 38 很多华人不关心政治，搞不懂政治派别，搞不懂什么叫左，什么叫右。例如很多人以为
共和党的核心价值观就是信教，反堕胎，反同性。甚至有人觉得保守派就是反动派，你
看，历史总是朝着更加liberal的方向前进的，共和党保守派不是开历史的倒车吗？这
当然和中国的教育和美国媒体的宣传有关，但是也反映了大部分中国人对政治的无知。
如果连什么是保守主义是怎样一种意识形态都不知道，是没有办法理解什么共和党的核
心价值观的。当然今天我们主要不说保守主义，希望了解保守主义的朋友可以去看《罗
辑思维》关于保守主义的一集，罗胖子讲的深入浅出，老少咸宜。
今天我们来讲讲民主党的核心价值观，也是一种意识形态，liberalism，叫做自由主义
。自由主义顾名思义，就是希望人民受到的约束越少越好。这个约束可以来自宗教，可
以来自政府或者社会的压力，例如120年前女人不能穿长裤，60年前黑人不能和白人同
校，这就是约束；那么自由主义者的核心理念就是要去掉这些约束。自由主义者的代表
，以前的黑人民权运动，嬉皮士，现在的占领华尔街，BLM，都是通过反政府，反权威
来达到目的，因为自由主义者天生就讨厌政府，他们的最高追求就是... 阅读全帖 |
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V**3
发帖数: 12756 | 39 其实真正liberal的，发展下去应该是libertarian
现实生活中大家骂的liberal，其实并不是liberal，而是progressive
其实美国政治谱系中左右都变味了，现实中的主力都已经不是原本号称的了
左边： liberal --》 progressive
右边： conservative--》 neocon
在今天之前， 基本上美国是progressive 对决neocon
而Trump本人是原始liberal和conservative的混合体，不属于progressive /neocon |
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发帖数: 2896 | 40 真正的Liberalism指的是平等和自由的理念。liberal本身有好多含义，我们平常说的
liberal，就是指Liberal Democratic Party，简称liberal。这是个垃圾党，其所作所
为，走到了平等和自由的对立面，是一个反动的党派。 |
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发帖数: 6571 | 41 October 11, 2016
The Political ‘Education Divide’ and Me
By Christopher Chantrill
All of a sudden the experts are bellowing that the educated are voting for
Clinton and the uneducated are voting for Trump. Here’s Tim Alberta in
National Review, and here is David Runciman in The Guardian to tell you all
about it. Call it the “education divide.”
But where does that leave me? You see, I think of myself as educated, but I
am going to vote for Trump. So what’s my problem?
Of course, my terminal degre... 阅读全帖 |
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发帖数: 681 | 42 电影拍的非常棒，kevin spacey演的。当然是从好莱芜liberal的角度看问题的。
Liberal为了推翻死刑可以牺牲两个人的生命，而且都是心甘情愿的。
里面比较深刻的一段是David Gale 和德州州长辩论一段。Republican的州长被完全塑
造成冷血的希特勒形象。州长引用churchill, 'If you're not a liberal at twenty,
you have no heart, if you're still a liberal at thirty, you've got no brain.
通过感化，竟然可以把kate winslet这个电影开始时基本上是independent的新闻工作
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w***g
发帖数: 5958 | 43 这两天在看《未来简史》，觉得这书写得太牛x了。
无情地解释/预言了liberal的来源以及不可阻挡的
没落。（下面主要是我自己的理解，未必和原书
一致）其实special snowflake都是人自己幻想出
来的。liberal之所以兴起，并不是liberal道义上
有多好，而是因为20世纪的政治力量对人口/人口素
质的要求。人口多，人口素质高的国家就强大，而
崇尚个人解放的liberalism正好符合这种政治需求。
而二十一实际出头技术发生了翻天覆地的改变，
虚拟经济超越了实体经济。对应的，人口和全民的
人口素质对政治的影响急剧降低，而一小撮精英的
素质对政治的影响急剧升高。想想最近deep learning
的兴起对传统智力行业的颠覆。十几号人写一个围棋
算法，直接颠覆了人类上千年对这个技艺的追求。
一旦算法超越人类，人口及其平均素质对国家强大
其实就没有太大作用了。（领土也差不多）
对应的，一个国家政治上也需要完成从大众政治
到精英政治的转变才能在21世纪立足（这一点中国
有很大的优势，因为中国本来就没有大众政治。）
我特别欣赏在本站读到的一句话，可惜记不起来
作者是谁了：任何不... 阅读全帖 |
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发帖数: 144 | 44 Conservatives care about logic. Liberals care about emotion. Conservatives
care about whether a program works or not. Liberals care about how
supporting a program makes them feel. Conservatives take the positions they
do because they believe they’re best for society. Liberals take the
positions they do because they make them feel and look compassionate or
superior to hold those positions.
from: https://townhall.com/columnists/johnhawkins/2016/06/04/why-liberals-
are-so-obsessed-with-racism-homos... 阅读全帖 |
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发帖数: 4911 | 45 我只知道，真正的liberal现在完全说不上话。当代的liberal的话语权已经被极左把持
，当我们谈到liberal的时候，就是指被极左把持的liberal.是这些极左自称是liberal
,所以我们跟着他们这么说罢了。 |
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发帖数: 10908 | 46 是不是反 AA，其实到最后还是 liberal vs conservative 之争。而基本上铁杆的
liberals 也不太会改变主意。当然这也是人的自由。
实干的说，对于技术移民，反 AA 主要是争取 liberal conservatives，原因是
liberal conservatives value the collective human intellect，跟技术移民的
nature 比较在一条轨道上：
A common principle for most liberal conservatives of Burkean extraction is a
theory of collective human intellect...
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Liberal_conservatism
至于中国城那块就算了，也尊重人家的选择。无益的争论其实也是浪费时间和带宽。
而且也不要以种族将人分类。不是说老中就会支持老中的政治观点的。 |
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发帖数: 12623 | 49 【 以下文字转载自 USANews 讨论区 】
发信人: Commissar (柯宓同志), 信区: USANews
标 题: mass shooting杀人狂居然都是liberal Democrats
发信站: BBS 未名空间站 (Thu Jan 24 03:17:47 2013, 美东)
Why is it that those who use guns to kill movie goers and children in
schools are progressive Democrats?
Columbine School shootings - April 20, 1999 - thirteen premeditated
murders by Eric Harris and Dylan Klebolt, too young to vote but both
from families who were progressive liberals and registered Democrats.
VA Tech shootings– April 16, 2004 – t... 阅读全帖 |
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