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V**3
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loophole, loophole, loophole
这也是老床竞选演讲中着重讲的
我本人对税率在一个小范围内到底是升是降不是那么敏感
税收的关键是全民交税, 而且都按照真实税率交 (没有loophole)
这种情况下自然装逼货就没有了
k******0
发帖数: 2438
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确实如此。
就看国会那帮腐败分子有多猖狂,有往里面掺多少沙子。
[在 V123 (文成武德全能神教教主-正在301治脚气) 的大作中提到:]
:loophole, loophole, loophole
:这也是老床竞选演讲中着重讲的
:我本人对税率在一个小范围内到底是升是降不是那么敏感
:税收的关键是全民交税, 而且都按照真实税率交 (没有loophole)
:这种情况下自然装逼货就没有了
l****z
发帖数: 29846
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Yesterday, Members of the House Ways & Means Committee voted 22-12 to stop
the IRS from giving refundable tax credits to illegal aliens.
Last year, the Inspector General for the U.S. Treasury Department released a
report revealing that illegal aliens annually receive $4.2 billion in
refundable tax credits, primarily through the Additional Child Tax Credit (
ACTC).
The Ways and Means Committee voted to close this tax credit loophole by
requiring that individuals who claim the ACTC provide a valid... 阅读全帖
l****z
发帖数: 29846
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来自主题: USANews版 - 还有fixing tax loopholes的问题
這個也叫loophole?
GE赚了那么多钱, 但几千页的tax filing证明他们不用交税, 这个才是loophole.
GE对普通人来说很难对付, 但对美国政府来说,只要他们愿意, 要对付GE还不是想捏死
一只虫子?
所以只有Trump上台才能对付GE这种利用loophole来避税的大头.

意,
有的

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好了,说正事哈,你知道什么是loophole吗?知道有哪些loopholes吗?
川普(我从来没有用过“闯爷爷”这个称呼哈,我或者说川普,或者说老床)在辩论中
就提到了一个最重要的loophole,就是藏于海外的公司利润,通过15%的统一税率(相
对于35%的公司收入税率),可以带回约2.5万亿元(税务收入)。
医疗浪费,Obamacare是首当其冲,一个鸟网站就花了几个Billions,都可以把墙修起
来了!奥黑拍着胸脯说的:“你如果喜欢你的医生,留着他;如果你喜欢你原来的健保
计划,留着它。”排比句用的挺好的吧,哪样实现了?明年的计划很多都是一万多的自
付额了!买他的计划基本上纯粹就是把钱扔水里了。川普上台第一件事就是取消它(有
很多民主党人都支持这个),并替换它,还不够啊?!
a**********2
发帖数: 3726
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不过打掉loophole也真的不大可能,正如trump当初说的drain the swamp不可能实现一
样,怎么能期待他们取消掉自己为自己精心打造的loophole呢?也不可能不收,因为总
有人利用不了这个为他们设计的loophole而成为冤大头。
b*****d
发帖数: 61690
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慢慢看戏吧.Tea party对boehner不放心.
如果你真心反CIR,我强烈建议你一天给boehner打1000个电话.让他用hastert rule.
http://dailycaller.com/2013/06/18/bachmann-boehner-will-use-loo
On Laura Ingraham’s Tuesday radio show, outgoing Minnesota Republican Rep.
Michele Bachmann predicted that although Speaker of the House John Boehner
has vowed to adhere to the Hastert Rule to pass immigration reform, “there
’s still a loophole that the speaker might allow himself.”
Following the Hastert Rule would mean Boehner would not hold a vote on a... 阅读全帖
z**********3
发帖数: 11979
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来自主题: Military版 - United Airlines有loophole啊 (转载)
【 以下文字转载自 Travel 讨论区 】
发信人: zhizunbao123 (你在红楼我在西游), 信区: Travel
标 题: United Airlines有loophole啊
发信站: BBS 未名空间站 (Tue Dec 30 13:45:08 2014, 美东)
United Airlines wants to clip the wings of a 22-year-old Manhattan computer
whiz ​who found a loophole that saves travelers big bucks ​on
airfare.
Aktarer Zaman founded Skiplagged.com, which finds cheap flights by using “
hidden city” ticketing, in which travelers ​purposely ​buy
tickets with layovers​ for a lower fare, using ... 阅读全帖
k**o
发帖数: 15334
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我草奥巴马还要脸不,竟然偷了Romney的close loophole idea。你丫四年
都干啥去了,close了什么loop hole。Romney在麻州close了22个tax loophole。
a**e
发帖数: 8800
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来自主题: USANews版 - CARSON的flat tax: 14.9% 无loophole
只要是按年收入纳税, loophole就不会少。而且是钱越多的人越能钻。
只有实行按财产纳税才能消除loophole。

to
m*****u
发帖数: 19562
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来自主题: USANews版 - 还有fixing tax loopholes的问题
这个loophole特权不是普通人能享受到的, 除了搞黄赌毒的,其他生意资金都要从银行
走, 而美国的银行对资金的监管是变态的严格。
所以喊堵tax loophole的基本都是喊喊口号, 最有钱的那些人不管在哪个国家都是最难
被动的.
m*****u
发帖数: 19562
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来自主题: USANews版 - 还有fixing tax loopholes的问题
其实明白的人知道我在说什么。
如何Fund一个离岸公司的账号不是很简单的,因为美国对资金监管严格, 普通的生意,
一般的客户不愿意汇款到海外的账号,他们宁可做domestic的生意, 即使利润低一些

到了一定的规模, 愿意承担这些麻烦的才会钻这种loopholes.
common sense, 商人是逐利的, 如果这些loopholes可以很简单的去钻空子, 那所有的
大小奸商都会去避税。
避税不是逃税, 避税是合法的。
但是现在不是, 钻这些空子的人只是一部分大奸商, 而大奸商是很难对付的, 所以
我说
trump是喊口号。
我也是闲的, 没事敲这么多字.
好了, 到时间我得去干活了, 妈的, 生活好艰难, 羡慕你们这些可以天天灌水的
i*****9
发帖数: 3157
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遗产税这个问题不光需要打掉美国的loophole,还需要打掉全世界的loophole.
只要跨境资金流通是合法的,就可以通过各种离岸实体绕开美国税法。
V**3
发帖数: 12756
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这个并不需要,世界上像美国这样安全,有法制,还能享受一切的地方真不多
基金会弄到别处,弄不好就让人当肥羊宰了

:遗产税这个问题不光需要打掉美国的loophole,还需要打掉全世界的loophole.
w****h
发帖数: 1344
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除了川普华盛顿的政客哪有敢提Tax Loophole的。由于这些华盛顿的SWAMP堵住
loophole是不可能的了。问题是有心无心的白左黄左跟着巨富控制的主流媒体骂川普给
富人减税实在是太搞了。跟吃袁崇焕肉的北京市民有区别吗?


: 那大家想办法堵住loop,不是去进一步放宽。脑残的逻辑实在理解不来!

b*****h
发帖数: 3386
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In an interview with CNN's Ali Velshi Thursday, Treasury Secretary Timothy
Geithner confirmed that his department had pushed Sen. Chris Dodd to add a
loophole in the federal stimulus bill allowing bailout recipients to receive
bonuses. Dodd had told the network Wednesday that he had been the one to
insert the loophole, but at the request of the Treasury.
From CNN:
The Treasury Department was concerned that legislation that would
restrict contractual bonuses would not hold up to legal challen
l******l
发帖数: 2651
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Google 2.4% Rate Shows How $60 Billion Lost to Tax Loopholes
Source:
http://www.bloomberg.com/news/2010-10-21/google-2-4-rate-shows-how-60-billion-u-s-revenue-lost-to-tax-loopholes.html
Either we are broke or super rich, otherwise, one way or another, we all get
fucked.
m*********a
发帖数: 3299
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来自主题: USANews版 - There is loophole in current bill
The insured only need pay $800 penalty. They can skip the insurance coverage
to save $8000-$16000 a year when they are healthy. When they are diagnosed
cancer or other major diseases, they buy a health insurance policy the day
after the diagnosis, as preexisting conditions have to be covered. Close the
loophole by increasing the penalty to at least $16000, or the premium of
insurance will skyrocket.
O**l
发帖数: 12923
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来自主题: USANews版 - biden这个loophole说得好
罗姆尼什么fix loophole 就是大忽悠
O**l
发帖数: 12923
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来自主题: USANews版 - biden这个loophole说得好
直接扒掉罗姆尼fix loophole 谎言 切中要害
T*********I
发帖数: 10729
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来自主题: USANews版 - CARSON的flat tax: 14.9% 无loophole
GOP candidate Ben Carson Monday announced his plan for a 14.9 percent flat
tax on all Americans, saying that everyone will pay their share regardless
of their income levels.
"It would be about 14.9 percent precisely, because we worked out all the
numbers very specifically," said Carson, revealing his plan exclusively on
Fox News' "Fox & Friends" program. "No deductions, no loopholes, applies to
everybody across the board."
V**3
发帖数: 12756
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来自主题: USANews版 - CARSON的flat tax: 14.9% 无loophole
我支持flat tax rate, no loophole
但这个14.9不知够不够

to
d*******p
发帖数: 2525
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来自主题: USANews版 - CARSON的flat tax: 14.9% 无loophole
把“捐赠”给慈善基金会的loophole给堵了比什么都强,力薄肉的那些大金主一个个用
这种方式规避遗产税,然后无脑左逼们居然把他们赞为圣人
f*****n
发帖数: 12752
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来自主题: USANews版 - CARSON的flat tax: 14.9% 无loophole
no loophole的制度根本在我帝行不通,整个西方理念信仰就是鼓励人投机取巧,
beat the system的。让精英和大众平均待遇,这个接受不了
m*****u
发帖数: 19562
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来自主题: USANews版 - 还有fixing tax loopholes的问题
各种loophole啊, 你随便举
m********e
发帖数: 1391
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来自主题: USANews版 - 还有fixing tax loopholes的问题
我说的意思就是loophole是大奸商才有机会搞的, 小户根本干不了。
所以说trump也只是喊口号, 因为不管谁上台都只能搞搞小户, 干不了大户。
美国政府跟GE对打官司还真说不准谁更拖的下去
l****z
发帖数: 29846
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来自主题: USANews版 - 还有fixing tax loopholes的问题
GE现在没做违法的事情阿, 只是利用了loophole而已. 但trump上台后可以改法律阿.
这样GE搞就没用了.
然后还打什么官司阿.
c*******4
发帖数: 1874
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DONALD J. TRUMP’S VISION
Reduce taxes across-the-board, especially for working and middle-income
Americans.
Ensure the rich will pay their fair share, but no one will pay so much that
it destroys jobs or undermines out ability to compete.
Eliminate special interest loopholes, make our business tax rate more
competitive to keep jobs in America, create new opportunities and revitalize
our economy.
Reduce the cost of childcare by allowing families to fully deduct the
average cost of childcare from ... 阅读全帖
V**3
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其实从最原始的原本法理讲,收遗产税是没有道理的
很简单,别人父母的钱,留给子孙,为啥收税? 税收是公民对社会支出负担的承担
方式
人家父母跷辫子,钱留给子女,这个过程中有何社会支出?没有!
实际上遗产税是社会财富再分配的调节方式,这已经是税收在发展多年之后的
progressive的结果
不管有理没理,已经被很多发达国家采用,这个现在已经成了无理之理
既然如此,咱们就不讨论他的法理了
只讲执行
执行中实际上超富都在规避这个遗产税, 新闻上不时爆出的富豪们捐赠多少身家之类
的,几乎全是类似做法, 把前捐给自己成立的慈善基金, 自己子女全权控制, 一切
吃喝拉撒开爬嫖妓甚至私人飞机(奥,现在改名叫基金会公务飞机)都从慈善基金会出
,然后还拿一份很高工资,每年从基金会的投资收益中拿出5% 做做真正的慈善,不要
太爽
要知道真的要交遗产税,那么本金的40%就交给国库了。。。。
实际上遗产税坑的就是刚刚过线,没有能力建立自己基金会的上产,至于超富,压根收
不到
这也是老王讲的实际上遗产税征收站财政收入比例一爬的原因
既然如此,从执行角度讲,要么打掉loophole,让该交的人都交,要么就别收... 阅读全帖
s******8
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charitable contributions不去掉,就是对loophole改革没诚意。
w****h
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废除绝大部分的税法,法越多空子越多,法太多只有研究税法的律师(普通人用不着也
雇不起)才搞得懂,严格限制Trust。
不过这都是痴人说梦,现在选个众议员都要几百万,所有人都是亿万富翁各个Pac的傀
儡,堵Loophole可能性比中彩票还要低。
老川敢提就不错了。


: 公开所有私人税收记录是唯一的解决办法(这样谁逃税了一眼就知道,公众舆论
压力会

: 很大)。但是这么做需要修宪。所以此问题基本无解。


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这货自己就是靠钻空子起家的,各种loophole当然门儿清了。

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关键就是这一条很难办到。
实际上,民主宪政的本意是什么,我不好说(估计也只有天知道);但它发展到今
天,已经凸显出这样一个趋势:
禁止loophole。
例如,警察要抓疑犯,先得告诉疑犯,你有权保持沉默。这就是很直白地告诉他:
你可以钻漏洞。
也许有人说了:你不告诉疑犯,只要他聪明,他也知道啊!
那为什么要告诉他呢?
任何时候被抓住把柄的,都是些笨蛋;只要一个人绝顶聪明,那一般都会漏网的。
如果连笨蛋都不能抓,还能抓谁呢?
当然,最典型的还是非法移民这个事,具体我就不多说了。
我认为,川普拿非法移民的事当主要的竞选议题,并不是这个事危害有多大。墨西
哥裔能坏到哪里去?如果让我在墨西哥裔、印度裔、黑人和穆斯林之中选一个人当朋友
或老婆,我毫无疑问会选墨西哥裔。
关键就在于这个事说明了美国的法制败坏,且破坏法律的人竟然还可以抢占道德制
高点。
这还谈什么政策呢?
有什么政策不需要法制的保障呢?
L*********4
发帖数: 883
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来自主题: USANews版 - 这回堵住了什么loophole呢
Capital gain说法不多。
但是堵住了loan interest deduction的Loophole。
Companies paying the corporate income tax would face a limit on how much
debt they can deduct from their taxable income, a significant change for
highly leveraged companies like banks. They could only deduct interest worth
up to 30 percent of earnings before interest/taxes/depreciation/
amortization. But real estate firms would be exempt from that limit.
貌似也算是deleveraging的一个举措。以前大公司交税很少的原因里面这个可能是最大
的比重。
c*****r
发帖数: 8227
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华尔街,敢碰吗?
The House tax bill released Thursday preserves the carried interest tax
break -- paid to private-equity managers, venture capitalists, hedge fund
managers and certain real estate investors -- despite President Donald Trump
and GOP leaders’ promise to do away with loopholes for the wealthy.
https://bloom.bg/2h6nfv9
d****u
发帖数: 2589
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[December 28, 2010]+++
Starting in 2011, all U.S. payment providers including PayPal will be
required by the IRS to report sales information about certain merchants to
the IRS. Power sellers on eBay and other online selling websites will be
impacted by this new tax requirement. Before PayPal did not report your
income to the IRS, so online sellers could 'fudge' their revenue reporting.
But that all changes in 2011.
My theory is the anti-tax Tea Party rebellion of 2010 ticked off the IRS so
they ... 阅读全帖
w*l
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brihand能不能详细讲一下这个loophole?没太看懂啊。
是不是说Boehner遵从Hastert Rule,不拿Senate Bill来house floor 投票。但是会推
一个House自己的版本,然后跟Senate去Conference。等Conference回来再把修改后的
版本拿到House Floor 投票?
s**a
发帖数: 555
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这个方法湾区有比goog做的大的,没什么,合理避税

lost-to-tax-loopholes.html
get
z**********3
发帖数: 11979
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来自主题: Travel版 - United Airlines有loophole啊
United Airlines wants to clip the wings of a 22-year-old Manhattan computer
whiz ​who found a loophole that saves travelers big bucks ​on
airfare.
Aktarer Zaman founded Skiplagged.com, which finds cheap flights by using “
hidden city” ticketing, in which travelers ​purposely ​buy
tickets with layovers​ for a lower fare, using the layover city a&#
8203;s their ​intended destination, CNNMoney reports​, and never
go on to the itinerary’s final destination&#... 阅读全帖
N****w
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g***y
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为什么会有loophole? Rhetoric只会告诉你,因为富人把政府买通了。其实那只是一个
片面原因。
最近NYTimes有一个系列,讲美国各地政府给企业的各种incentives(减税,担保贷款
),来争取公司投资。每年$80B. 这些都是loophole,只不过不是federal,而是state
和 local.
各个州为了获得公司的投资,比如GM选择在什么地方建生产线,竞相提供减税。又比如
SF给Twitter loophole,让Twitter 可以留在SF。因此Twitter可以建building top
park, 同时SF parks suffer from funding shortage.
所以,这就是一个最好的关于loophole的解释。为什么没法关闭loophole? 因为竞争,
别的州也提供loophole。
放到federal level, 为什么无法关闭loophole? 因为竞争,中国在招商引资,三免三
减半。
Loophole好不好,也好也不好,好处是提供有竞争力的税率,吸引投资。不好是有选择
性,造成寻租。因此loophole,不如降低税率。
m**k
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来自主题: USANews版 - Trump tax plan全文
https://www.donaldjtrump.com/positions/tax-reform
似乎砍得太狠了点,虽然比起4年前的已经好点了。看下来有点捏把汗,cut那么多,就
靠堵itemized deduction和海外资产抽税来补。
这个其实数据都有,cut之后会缺多少,itemized deduction能出来多少,剩下的全部
都要靠海外资产,可是海外资产到底多少这个就没底了,就算知道,怎么抽税也是个很
大问题,这个事情后面一定会被人攻击的。
trump自己也显得没信心,被问到的时候只说经济增长了税收就会多起来,但是这个就
显得很wishful thinking了,如果税收不够,就只能减福利了,这个估计也在他的计划
里面只是没提。
Too few Americans are working, too many jobs have been shipped overseas, and
too many middle class families cannot make ends meet. This tax plan
directly meets these challeng... 阅读全帖
D**s
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有人无知,说巴菲特不享受税务优惠。看看沃伦·巴菲特的纤巧的税收漏洞 - 巴伦周刊
Warren Buffett's Nifty Tax Loophole - Barron's
http://www.barrons.com/articles/warren-buffetts-nifty-tax-loophole-1428726092
(If you google Warren Buffett's Nifty Tax Loophole - Barron's, you will be
able to read it. If you click the link, it seems to ask you to subscribe.
Let me copy and paste it here for your reference.)
巴菲特支持较高的单独税率,同时确保他的巨额财富在伯克希尔哈撒韦公司几乎是免税
的。他的公司从来没有在合法不交税时交过税。关于纳税问题,请见我的评论。
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发信人: Daos (刀丝斋), 信区: USANews
标 题: 看看沃伦·巴菲特的纤巧的税收漏洞 - 巴伦周刊zz
发信站: BBS 未名空间站 (Mon Oct 3 11:10:41 2016, 美东)
有人无知,说巴菲特不享受税务优惠。看看沃伦·巴菲特的纤巧的税收漏洞 - 巴伦周刊
Warren Buffett's Nifty Tax Loophole - Barron's
http://www.barrons.com/articles/warren-buffetts-nifty-tax-loophole-1428726092
(If you google Warren Buffett's Nifty Tax Loophole - Barron's, you will be
able to read it. If you click the link, it seems to ask you to subscribe.
Let me copy and paste it here for your reference.)
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标 题: 看看沃伦·巴菲特的纤巧的税收漏洞 - 巴伦周刊zz
发信站: BBS 未名空间站 (Mon Oct 3 11:10:41 2016, 美东)
有人无知,说巴菲特不享受税务优惠。看看沃伦·巴菲特的纤巧的税收漏洞 - 巴伦周刊
Warren Buffett's Nifty Tax Loophole - Barron's
http://www.barrons.com/articles/warren-buffetts-nifty-tax-loophole-1428726092
(If you google Warren Buffett's Nifty Tax Loophole - Barron's, you will be
able to read it. If you click the link, it seems to ask you to subscribe.
Let me copy and paste it here for your reference.)
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标 题: 看看沃伦·巴菲特的纤巧的税收漏洞 - 巴伦周刊zz
发信站: BBS 未名空间站 (Mon Oct 3 11:10:41 2016, 美东)
有人无知,说巴菲特不享受税务优惠。看看沃伦·巴菲特的纤巧的税收漏洞 - 巴伦周刊
Warren Buffett's Nifty Tax Loophole - Barron's
http://www.barrons.com/articles/warren-buffetts-nifty-tax-loophole-1428726092
(If you google Warren Buffett's Nifty Tax Loophole - Barron's, you will be
able to read it. If you click the link, it seems to ask you to subscribe.
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发信人: Daos (刀丝斋), 信区: USANews
标 题: 看看沃伦·巴菲特的纤巧的税收漏洞 - 巴伦周刊zz
发信站: BBS 未名空间站 (Mon Oct 3 11:10:41 2016, 美东)
有人无知,说巴菲特不享受税务优惠。看看沃伦·巴菲特的纤巧的税收漏洞 - 巴伦周刊
Warren Buffett's Nifty Tax Loophole - Barron's
http://www.barrons.com/articles/warren-buffetts-nifty-tax-loophole-1428726092
(If you google Warren Buffett's Nifty Tax Loophole - Barron's, you will be
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来自主题: USANews版 - How Bernie pays for his proposals
https://berniesanders.com/issues/how-bernie-pays-for-his-proposals/
不少人不断地一遍一遍地说Bernie没有具体的计划来为他的政策付款,这里有详细的解
释。
这个问题是Corporate Media为了自己的利益故意装不知道(或者有些作者自愿洗脑真
不知道,或者被心理舆论压制了而不敢说)创造出来的。
因为原文是表格,下面贴的格式乱了,直接看上面的链接吧。
Plan Payment
Rebuild America Act: Sen. Sanders has proposed a $1 trillion plan to rebuild
our crumbling infrastructure and put 13 million Americans to work. Paid
for by making corporations pay taxes on all of the “profits” they have
shifted to the Cayman Islands and other offshore... 阅读全帖
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Minimizing the gap between ordinary and ltcg rate is the most efficient way
to close the "carried interest" tax loophole, which is recognized as one of
the biggest problems in current tax code by both Trump and Obama.
However, how to define and close the loophole is difficult. As people taking
advantage of the loophole did nothing wrong and closing the loophole by
targeting a certain kind of people is essentially left-most Communist's way,
biased, discriminatory, punishing hard working, and tota... 阅读全帖

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来自主题: Military版 - 拜登可以选奥观海做副总统
22nd Amendment
Section 1.
No person shall be elected to the office of the President more than twice,
and no person who has held the office of President, or acted as President,
for more than two years of a term to which some other person was elected
President shall be elected to the office of the President more than once.
But this Article shall not apply to any person holding the office of
President when this Article was proposed by the Congress, and shall not
prevent any person who may be holdin... 阅读全帖
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