D****o
发帖数: 12808 | 1 我想看一个他以前的跳水表演的视频，as you posted
去youtube搜了一下messi dive
出来的好多长视频（大于2分钟的）都是messi never dives
看了几个dive的视频都不是以前的，你有以前的么？ |
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s**l
发帖数: 11983 | 2 他这个视频的意思有两点
（1）金字塔进攻阵形，包括messi和puskets的双重走位；
（2）两个边路拉边。
和你的圆圈理论却也不冲突。
据我观察，在对阵把萨的时候，如果其他球队抢到球之后立刻长传转移，实际上效果更
差，这些长传基本上是向前传。但是因为由于站位方向问题，把萨的球员正面面对长传
，拿到球的概率更高，所以长传丢失太多。
我的建议，为了对付把萨的控制球战略，我们要
（1）以毒攻毒，就是按照把萨的办法踢球，也加强控制球能力；我觉得这是最有效的
办法。
（2）对把萨进攻球员死死盯住。这个视频里对两个边路就没有人盯。5个人必须盯住：
左右两个边路， messi, xavi, inesta.
现。 |
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s**l
发帖数: 11983 | 3 （1）Nemar这技术messi就没玩过，我看好他超越messi有什么错？
（2）这张红牌我觉得过分，因为没有伤人的动机，也没有严重的后果。
你说我那句是行为艺术？
我看你倒是想挑拨离间！你在这样讲话，我就向版主起诉你！ |
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y****r
发帖数: 2318 | 4 偶咋觉得这标题就是shit
messi踢得怎么样大家都看到了
全场有几次射门机会，过了几个人
传了几脚威胁球，一清二楚
巴萨输球和messi是shit有关系吗？
老马都不能指着场场进球，更何况是梅西？
偶好像听到有犬类在狂吠 |
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o**4
发帖数: 35028 | 5 messi只是进攻箭头，不可能凭一己之力力挽狂澜的，
messi这辈子不可能达到大罗的水准 |
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l*******o
发帖数: 12469 | 6 曼苏尔酋长刚买下曼城的时候转会签人进展不顺利。有次管理层汇报的时候曼酋发牢骚
，此处略去一千字，接下来曼酋感叹了一下说“things ...xxx... get messy ...xxx.
..”
这话传到管理层的耳朵里变成了get messi，，，嘿嘿，大曼城后来向宇宙下了39米的
offer买煤球，嘿嘿，被宇宙无情的拒绝了。。。 |
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p**f
发帖数: 2610 | 7 为什么？Messi踢中场的水平也是很高的。2018年Messi肯定还是可以很牛的。 |
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p**f
发帖数: 2610 | 8 比进球数也毫无意义，此一时彼一时，进球的难度，场景完全都不同。
一般来说，球王和球星的一个特征就是所在队要赢球，如果一个球星所在的队从来都是
输球那他根本不可能成为球星，为什么呢，不赢球就不会被人注意。胜者为王败者寇。
messi现在能成为最牛的球星，很大程度上就是是因为巴萨老拿冠军。假如巴萨拿不到
冠军，hehe,头号球星的位置肯定也轮不到他。顶多是个最佳射手。
所以说，Messi想要称王，必须得拿世界杯，这是足球界的第一荣誉。你说阿根廷队守
门员不行拿不到冠军咋办？那只能算他倒霉。你再悲愤也没用。 |
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p**f
发帖数: 2610 | 9 In 2011 Uefa.com asked players, journalist and their users to crown the best
player in the UEFA Champions League of the past 20 years, Zidane topped the
poll ahead of Lionel Messi.
别说世界杯了，欧冠里Messi的影响力还不如Zidane。 球星对球队的贡献是难以用数据
来衡量的，足球是艺术，你连这个都不明白，还怎么欣赏足球。
比利亚？比利亚是谁，他上不上场差别不大。
最后说一句，球王球星是需要广大球迷认同的，绝对不是一些愤青罗列数据写论文证明
出来的。 |
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e*******e
发帖数: 9616 | 10 无法解释，俩人放一起我还是喜欢小罗多一些，这一次。
小罗没有象messi那样１１／１３岁就接受８撒的正规训练，所以野球的痕迹也多些，
丰富的创造性也保存多些。风格其实一看就不是８撒的青训product.
messi太早步入８撒的system,所以创造力明显限制于８撒的体系内，虽然很牛，但是
outside of box的想法／菱角还是被磨平了不少。
遮掩看来，全世界都tiki taka其实也没啥意思。鼓励足球界多种风格共存才是足球的
正确发展方向 |
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z****b
发帖数: 2959 | 11 发信人: nesta (铁树开花), 信区: Soccer
标 题: [合集] 真是替梅西不平，阿，真不知道卡卡踢得有什么好的
发信站: BBS 未名空间站 (Thu Dec 27 21:26:30 2007), 站内
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cowbee (牛蜜蜂简称牛疯) 于 (Thu Nov 29 19:15:50 2007) 提到:
很有zlight说的风格
操快猛。。。居然说 要双料足球先生。。。
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PaiMei (白眉) 于 (Thu Nov 29 19:19:27 2007) 提到:
快猛是事实，怎么个糙法？
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justnth (虚) 于 (Thu Nov 29 19:23:38 2007) 提到:
没戏就是没戏啊，不是核心不能把握比赛
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e*******e
发帖数: 9616 | 12 很多人连假摔的机会都没有，哈哈。
如果用进球 vs 假摔的比例来算，messi应该还是第一了。
目前所有求援里面能在视觉上让messi逊色的只有小罗一人。 |
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s******v
发帖数: 4495 | 13 特意看了两遍，Messi真牛叉，简直是他妈圣人，几乎没啥假摔，就是发了几次小脾气
，连messi和队员开玩笑都当素材。这个没黑肯定是卧底的。 |
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w********9
发帖数: 8613 | 14 发信人: wewill2009 (daluobe), 信区: Soccer
标 题: Re: 别比了。Messi比Muller和Ronaldo都要强。
发信站: BBS 未名空间站 (Mon Dec 10 15:28:23 2012, 美东)
Muller是22-23岁的时候才在国家队起重要的作用。Beckenbauer一直在同个国家队和俱
乐部队里里。德国队因此能更多地进攻。Benckenbauer作为sweeper能组织进攻，而且
自己也进了些球。在两人的俱乐部队里，更是如此。Messi在06年才19岁，现在也才25
岁。如果后场或中场队友不能给多传球，前锋是很有些被动的。 |
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w********9
发帖数: 8613 | 15 主要踢进攻性的中场，与前锋还是要有很大不同。
尽管有位置上的区别，Messi打球的效率（比如传球、突破和射门的时机方面）在三人
里最高、最利落的，CR最低。不过，因为力量的优势，CR的高水平寿命会最长。Messi
以后的速度慢慢降下来以后。。。 |
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y***l
发帖数: 6963 | 16 messi只能说现在不错
他高度还没达到耳朵98年前那种鹤立鸡群的感觉
城messi球王，他自己都不好意思
球迷都是不理性的
无限拔高跟自己同时代的球员 |
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s**l
发帖数: 11983 | 18 zhengzhi: Xavi, Messi, Alonso,
coach(Camacho): Inesta, Xavi, Casillas
media: Insesta, C Ronaldo, Messi. |
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w********9
发帖数: 8613 | 19 每个人喜好不同，对不同观察角度和多个方面的给予的权重也会不同。
按表现Messi最值得得奖。按对球队的重要性，Iniesta和Ronaldo也许应该在Messi之前
。 |
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w********9
发帖数: 8613 | 20 现在有Messi和Ronaldo两个巨星，是足球的大幸。但是如果Messi能拿10个金球奖，那
就是足球的大不幸了。Ronaldo有潜力能再拿，更别说足球一直是后继有人。 |
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w********9
发帖数: 8613 | 21 足球是大集体项目。Messi的队里还有其他领军人：组织或主导比赛的Iniesta和Xavi。
这就是Iniesta偶尔（会）被排在Messi之前得奖。 |
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A**k
发帖数: 1978 | 22 FIFA官方统计结果如下
布冯：Pirlo Andrea / Messi Lionel / Cristiano Ronaldo
弟媳：Messi Lionel / Cristiano Ronaldo / Ibrahimovic Zlatan
该打脸的大脸，唾液先来 |
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w********9
发帖数: 8613 | 23 绝不至于。Barcelona是11对一个要降级队的10。
CR在新年里的表现并不比Messi差。Real Madrid在有若干主要队员有伤或者被判罚的情
况下，全队表现算非常好的了。现在的Real Madrid特别需要CR能在场上发挥。
没有什么伤员的Barcelona即使缺了Messi，仍然会是很强的队。 |
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A**d
发帖数: 13310 | 24 又一个人品低下的贱逼艺术队扇子，别对号入座哦，我说的是这个video被推到
top comment那个贱逼id lcpvmp.丫自称“I was a Real Madrid fan
since I was a child... I hope one day Real returns to the
values that it exhibited when Zidane and Ronaldo Nazario
were there.”
结果怎么样，it在youtube like一大堆艺术队的东西，勉强跟皇马沾边的
是CR dive和煤球对皇马进球集锦。这种冒充别家扇子的贱逼在艺术粉群体里
格外多，可能是因为该队擅长表演加人格扭曲，跟这些人对胃口：
Lionel Messi ● Ultimate 'Never Dives' Video ● ||HD||
Barcelona vs Malaga 4-1 All Goals & Highlights Liga BBVA 02.05.2012
★ Tribute to Pep Guardiola - Homenaje a Pep ... 阅读全帖 |
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s**l
发帖数: 11983 | 26 that is not an unattended space, instead it is a trap for messi. But messi
jumped out of it. |
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A**4
发帖数: 2165 | 27 Pep was his main target, while he did express unhappy feeling about Messi
too.
Once in his bio about Barca chapter and another during the Ball De'Or season
. He said Cristino deserved it, though he later also said Messi was the best. |
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A**4
发帖数: 2165 | 29
The plan is understandable, but the coach should change him at the half or
at least in hour mark. You can't draw much attention if you only standing
there.
That's what we agree.
The middle field didn't really have a good control after 30 minutes. Once
again since Messi is not moving, so there is less threat for BM defense,
therefore they could put more effort on Xavi and Inestia.
Since Messi didn't ran at all, Xavi was desperate and try everything and
anything. |
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A**4
发帖数: 2165 | 30 Only Messi didn't defend. But that's not the key. He didn't defend much for
about 2 years now. If Messi were not injured and attacked as he normally do,
there would be huge burden on BM defense, thus reduce the defensive
pressure on Barca. If he didn't run at all. It's like Barca play with one
less player.
干爹 was not the deciding factor of the game, also not the reason why Barca
has been so successful in the past 5 years. Though the score perhaps should
be 3:0 instead of 4:0. It's a factor which... 阅读全帖 |
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A**4
发帖数: 2165 | 31 I agree that the coach is the one to blame for this case. But Messi looks
from all account injured and not 100%. So You can't fault him for no show
today. If he played with injury and didn't perform, some people perhaps
would call him inadequate. If he played and worsen his injure, people might
say he is stupid, since he is only 25.
Dam you do, dam you don't, right?
It's unfair to blame Messi for no show today. |
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M**********e
发帖数: 4237 | 32 Tito Vilanova: “I want to congratulate Bayern for reaching the final and
for how well they played”
ANNA SEGURA05/02/2013 00:12
The manager congratulated Bayern for reaching the final of the Champions
League
"I want to thank the fans, they supported us until the end", said Vilanova
PHOTO GALLERIES
FCB - Bayern (0-3)
Tito Vilanova admitted that Bayern Munich were the superior side throughout
the Champions League semi-final tie between the two teams. “I want to
congratulate Bayern for reaching th... 阅读全帖 |
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f********e
发帖数: 144 | 33 这年头，发个贴都不容易，还要找reference。结果，原文的标题比新浪的要更一针见
血，出处：
https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&rct=j&q=&esrc=s&source=web&cd=1&cad=rja&ved=
0CDQQFjAA&url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.elconfidencial.com%2Fdeportes%2F2013%2F05%
2F16%2Fel-messi-mas-egoista-le-lleva-a-comportarse-como-una-estrella-
caprichosa-121008%2F&ei=uQKVUemLCZH69gT_sYHQDg&usg=AFQjCNEs7ab3iFEEKIVntu2pD
_Qcoag2Vg&sig2=1fHNTF_Aix5ypcs8jbB4Dw&bvm=bv.46471029,d.eWU
如果觉得还不够的，请自己搜索：
El Messi más egoísta le lleva a comportarse como una estrella caprichosa |
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Q*****n
发帖数: 4546 | 34 有人要查他，涉嫌逃税。
The accusation is that with the help of firms based outside Spain, where he
lives and plays club football, Messi and his father avoided paying more than
4m euros in tax.
If convicted, Messi could face up to SIX years(!!!) in prison and a large
fine, according to Spain's EFE news agency.
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-22877408 |
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n*****n
发帖数: 1634 | 35 我觉得messi突破不比巴乔强多少，动作稍微快些，但想象力不如巴乔
至于传球，比巴乔应该差不少，就别和老马比了
看死messi应该比看死巴乔容易
齐丹的动作风格和老马完全不同，不过传球效果类似，都是出其不意，恰到好处 |
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A**4
发帖数: 2165 | 36 Can't use national team goals as only measurement. He is still far from
Messi and I don't know if he is going to be ever reach the same height,
though the future looks bright.
Back to the goal tally, one simple factor would be their opponents.
Messi mostly play the official games, like WC qualifiers or Copa America.
Brazil played a lot of friendlies due to the fact it doesn't have to qualify
for WC. Defense would be normally looser in friendlies and that makes big
difference. Also some of the t... 阅读全帖 |
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A**4
发帖数: 2165 | 37 That was a great goal. While on the same token, the game had been well
decided before that and people normally play better and easier without any
pressure. On the other hand, Messi's two goals against Milan last year was
under great pressure. That's reason why CR7 is not in the same category as
Messi, though he is basically better than anyone else.
Also how many times have you seen CR scored a goal like he did yesterday? |
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A**4
发帖数: 2165 | 38 I really doubt he would reach Messi's height. Messi is kind of top 3 in
history and I don't think he would even make it in the top ten level. |
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A**4
发帖数: 2165 | 39 Still no one is better than Messi's individual performance till now for
this year.
His performance against Milan in the second leg and those 30 minutes again
PSG in the second leg with ONE LEG basically. Also he scored against all
Liga team consecutively.
But, I do think it should be Sneyder in 2010. So I wouldn't complain if
they give it to someone else this year other than Messi.
Robben did play a more important role in the final stage of CL (i.e., semi
and final, especially final). But Ribbe... 阅读全帖 |
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p**f
发帖数: 2610 | 40 你们都不看球啊，梅西在国家队主要踢attacking mid,主要是做球的，阿根庭前锋太多
了，板凳上都坐了一排。 当年人民球王都被板凳了很久。
世界杯和美洲杯大部分进球都是Messi助攻的，美洲杯助攻数据好像还是第一。
世界杯被德国给搞死了，实在不能怨Messi,防线太差。
美洲杯被乌拉圭平了，点球大战才被淘汰的。乌拉圭那届踢得确实好，那个10号叫什么
来着，在国家队状态真是好，球王级别的。 |
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z*******a
发帖数: 2826 | 41 你粉cr，甚至黑煤球，都是你自由。
别人说cr如何或者比较两人，也是自由。说的你不愿意听，你发表意见，还是你的自由。
但我见和你说下去也没有结果，几次说累了，不说了。你还是追着拿着你的几个'事实'
，要跟我较劲，让人很烦。
你对我说的一句'煤球比cr作用大些'（仅限世界杯而言），特别不爽，几次三番，一定
要我出示证据。我并不想干这个。
我说一句话而已，为什么我一定要累着和你出示证据？你是谁？你有什么权力知道我为
什么这么说？
这是我的自由，我愿意和你说，挺好。我不愿意，也是我的权力。知道了吧？
况且已经有人说过原因了，说的我还比较赞同。比如
“
发信人: poof (plan de vida), 信区: Soccer
标 题: Re: 葡萄除了C罗，还有什么高手？
发信站: BBS 未名空间站 (Wed Nov 20 00:23:23 2013, 美东)
你们都不看球啊，梅西在国家队主要踢attacking mid,主要是做球的，阿根庭前锋太多
了，板凳上都坐了一排。 当年人民球王都被板凳了很久。
世界杯和美洲杯大部分进球都是Messi助攻的，美洲杯助攻数据好像还是第一。
世界杯被德... 阅读全帖 |
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p**f
发帖数: 2610 | 42 阿根廷要是有个xavi一样的中场劳模就好。
从tactic上讲，我其实觉得neymar踢attacking mid最好。但是neymar没有messi那速度
和技术。messi满场跑，他也就没那爆发力了。毕竟energy system不同。短跑和长跑的
区别。
反正人生就是这样，你不可能什么都占着。 人尽其用就可以了。 |
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A**4
发帖数: 2165 | 43 I think Messi deserves 2009, 2011 and 2012 and this year.
There should be no argument for 09 and 11.
2010 should be Snyder, 2012 is a close call and CR7 and Inesita were not far
off.
This year is also a close call, but Messi should be ahead of CR7 and Ribery.
You have to look at the performance of a whole year, not the most recent
month or two.
For example, if you only look at the semi and final of the CL, clearly
Robbern was the best player, while he was injured and was in a sub role for
half o... 阅读全帖 |
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l*****g
发帖数: 45 | 44 我觉得messi在盘带的技巧方面不输罗尼，但是在射门这一块还差一点。 另外，我更
喜欢罗尼的原因是因为他盘带的美感，这是messi没有的。 |
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p**f
发帖数: 2610 | 45 Messi起高球的那种精确长传质量还不太行，这限制了他做playmaker的作用。
而且体力不行，跑动太少，这些都非常不利于他作为球队的核心。
等他速度降下来以后，我很难想象他能像老马那样做个牛X的中场。
贝利，老马这些老球王属于Complete Player,踢啥位置都是巨大的威胁，messi, c罗绝
对不是，这可能也是传统足球和现代足球的差别之一吧。 |
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x**w
发帖数: 7947 | 46 是这样地：
对梅西：
I'd like to tell him to take things easy, not to listen to the idiots. There
are a lot of them, unfortunately," said Maradona.
对梅西vs内码
Finally, Maradona insisted that Messi was a better player than Brazil ace
Neymar, saying: "The distance between Messi and Neymar is the same as the
one between Maradona and Pele.
结论：可怜的贝利 |
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s**********r
发帖数: 8153 | 47 messi的爷爷是意大利的啊。。。。
messi的奶奶和妈妈那一边是西班牙的 |
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J********o
发帖数: 17447 | 48 当初不输messi的足坛单挑王, 确实如上所说, 该出彩的时候伤了, 还去了皇马这样诲
人不倦的球队...
当初在车子跟Duff两翼齐飞也曾美如画
本质区别,Messi是九号半, 老汉还是一个边锋 |
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I******8
发帖数: 3174 | 50 卡佩羅評價梅西
2009年：
“He can do incredible things and is an exceptional player,” he told Sport.
“He is Maradona’s successor.”
http://www.worldsoccer.com/news/messi-the-new-maradona-capello#
2012年:
"Sin duda es el mejor, Messi después de Maradona es el mejor del mundo, eso
sí en épocas distintas"
絕對是最好的，梅西是馬拉多納之後最好的球員，儘管他們身處不同的時代 |
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