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v***s
发帖数: 1893 | 2 David North
http://ramblinwreck.cstv.com/sports/m-tennis/mtt/north_david00.html
在教一14岁小孩，我跟他爹聊。曾经跟Nadal打过junior pro，17岁背伤，退役，最高
达到过
junior的世界No5。去GT打NCAA，去年毕业，到我们这来工作。那个小孩usta junior
champion
in Texas, 5'7"。一开始不知道在练啥，就是对抽。后来听到在练侧身inside out，教
练在说，一
旦你侧身了，对手就很慌，不知道你打那边。练的是两个正手，然后来一个侧身。
很久以前在邮局跟TODD MARTIN打个照面，一开始没注意，后来发现他球鞋很牛×，多
看了几眼才认出
来。 |
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w***w
发帖数: 6301 | 4 来自主题: TexasHoldem版 - 扑克观讨论 抱扑村都看完了.很多感想.
1.以前从来没有读过扑克书籍,现在大开眼界.发觉自己理论方面很缺欠.
2.在估计对手和自己牌力对比时,在优势和劣势之间,有一块模糊地带.一般牌手搞不清
谁占优势,不能处理好这种形势.他们的牌,不是太保守,就是太过头.而高手和一般牌手
区别,就在于高手有能力(感觉,经验?)去夺取这个模糊地带.不论是cash game, MTT or
S$G,不论什么打法,最后赢利都是靠争夺这个模糊地带.
3.抱扑村牛人很多,自己可能一辈子达不到那种境地.
4.扑克做为一个爱好,可以增添很多乐趣.但是作为一生的唯一事业,投入和产出不成比
例.
bigmao是抱扑村超一流,一年打了5000盘 $215 S&G,赚了110K.(每天17 盘,同时开两台,
也要12,3小时),不过相当与一个普通IT工作的收入.又有多少人的天分能及的上bigmao? |
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i***g
发帖数: 80 | 5
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whatsoever
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whether
is
Thanks I am also a new player for SNG and MTT. So maybe we can learn and
discuss together here with all the people interested in it.I will try to
post something everyday like LZ too when I am not busy. Hope we can make
this place more popular. |
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w***w
发帖数: 6301 | 6 刚去这个site看了一下,不错.
不过象这种MTT,运气还是占主要因素.pocket QQ赢了pocket AA, 不是运气好一点?
RaiNKhaN 是著名的 donkey player, 二楞子:). 他在PS 的成绩不好。这次WSOP他也够
幸运的。在第3天比赛中他在ESPN 电视录像那个feature table，当时大毛也在这一桌
，有一把牌大概是这样的：
Blinds 是1K/2K, RaiNKhaN 大概有50多万筹码， 另一个人 Rami 有80多万。 RaiN 从
UTG raise 到6K， 后边一个人跟，然后Rami加到1万6，RaiN又加到7万5， Rami 又加
到15万。这时几乎可以100%肯定Rami手里是AA, Rain 想了半天, all-in, 人家马上跟
，亮出AA, RaiN是 QQ。 Flop一出来就是QQx， 二楞子一下暴富了。 不过后来他打得
小心多了，大概也是大难不死，边打边学了。 |
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w***w
发帖数: 6301 | 7 我最近遇到这种bad beat也很多.有时侯太多了会怀疑online software 出千.
不过如果能确定online software没问题,对这种bad beat并不是太care.因为时间长了
还是会赢回来.相反那位抓QQ的,是loser特症.在我看来是个fish.
我相信MTT打到最后,技术好的还是会赢.只不过技术要在相对较长的过程中发挥作用.就
是说,要打很多盘才赢一次大的.
S&G赢的概率会大的多.
badbeat |
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w***w
发帖数: 6301 | 8 插一腿
四段参扑士
注册时间: 2005-11-19
帖子: 1249
发表于: 12-27-2005 3:27 pm 发表主题: 这个地方可以查到PokerStars每个玩家
在MTT中赢了多少钱。 |
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c****u
发帖数: 3277 | 9 sng requires extremely tight bubble plays. No.4 and No.3 have a huge
difference
, thus small stacks have to wait for huge hands to play. It's a completely
different animal from mtt. at some low limit games, I sometimes end up at
top 2 after only played a couple of hands. Many just can't play it correctly.
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w***w
发帖数: 6301 | 10 I just watch 插一腿's vedio playing $3/$6 cash game at fulltilt.
http://www.screencast.com/t/S8mHwaBY
But the link no longer works now.
He is regarded as playing too aggressive in MTT and SNG, but in cash game he
played more conservative than I thought, more conservative even than my
play.
At the button he had AJ but folded to a 3.5 BB preflop raise.Even I would call.
BTW, he played well and made $300 into $1200 in one hour.
In another hand, he had pocket AA, raised to $21 preflop and a guy with KK |
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m*****i
发帖数: 1873 | 11 I hope I can win a big MTT tourment! |
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m*****i
发帖数: 1873 | 12 I hope I can win a big MTT tourment! |
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w***w
发帖数: 6301 | 13 Now you have to become a VIP member to read next chapters. That means you
need to pay to read. But I think those chapters will be available for free
later.
I remember she played WSOP and got good result.That alone prove her poker
skill.
Her description of MTT process is extremely true.
There are sure some YY, but without that it would not be a good novel. |
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w***w
发帖数: 6301 | 14 If she never play, she could not give that kind of description.
Anyone that play enough MTT should know what I mean.
当接近钱圈时拿到好牌,内心的挣扎,是放弃好牌先进钱圈,还是赌一把大的.
还有每个人尽力拖延时间.同时不停地去查排名.很多很多这样的细节.一个没打过,或打
的少的人,是不可能体会的到的.
这样说吧,当一个你不认识的人,跟你谈起你家乡每件细小的事,人物,地方,气候,街道,
单位,等等,你就知道他是和你同一地方来的. |
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f*****g
发帖数: 15860 | 15 hehe, i always imagine in a tough MTT, top 10 get paid, you rank 7 or 8, 12
players left.... and then dealt with AA, two guys go all-in pre-flop before
you... both get you covered or could seriously hurt you... |
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c****u
发帖数: 3277 | 16 in MTT, basically you play to win, not play to win a small money, so it's
really an easy call....
12
before
或打
道, |
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m*****i
发帖数: 1873 | 17 YOU NEED TO LEARN FROM PRO, MTT 'S SKILL IS VERY HARD TO LEARN THAN CASH
GAME.
CARDRUNNERS.COM |
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k******t
发帖数: 257 | 18 It might be just the opposite. Not many tricks you can exploit in MTT,
bottom line you need to win a bunch of coin-flips for decent payout. Did not
see any FT pros
win siginifcant money in FTOPS and weekly gurantee. Simply hard to survive
the field even so many of them. Even I can knock out pros and got the
bounty twice.
Cash game pros have more advantages. |
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D*A
发帖数: 1169 | 19 最早的poker就是limit，后来赌场搞出花样，组织比赛使那些好赌的人觉得更加刺激。
现在就说hold'em一般有limit，No limit（pot limit），比赛有heads-up，SNG，MTT
。大家玩poker显然想找最好赚钱的玩，下面从我自己的经验简要分析一下各自的特点。
poker是一种智力游戏，不过和许多类似的游戏还是不一样。例如围棋，象棋，桥牌等
，这些游戏主要是比最后谁胜，用poker的术语来说最后 show down看那方在规则下赢
了。poker更像一种赌博的工具。赌博的本质就是看你投注的回报和实际可能的回报做
比较，如果彩票中大奖的回报是买1块回报 1000万，而实际的机会可能是1500万分之一
，那么这种玩法长期就是输钱的，不过运气好短期可能赢钱。poker可以通过下注改变
回报率，所以如果判断准确就可以给自己留下好的机会同时给别人不好的机会，长期就
有可能赢钱，这是很有趣的。这里许多牌友都是经验玩家，所以就不再详细解释了。
先看limit，我的个人经验是，因为你调节赔率的下注的有限的，所以有时候你想控制
对手的赔率的办法受到限制，不过在一定范围能还是 |
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w***w
发帖数: 6301 | 20 1.
UTG+1 [likely]either low pair or AT something, UTG+2 either AK,AQ, or JJ+.
2.
Plus, at early stage of a MTT, it would be wise to play conservatively.
3.
At any stage,with the same hand, I prefer allin when others limp in,
while fold when others raise or allin. |
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f*****g
发帖数: 15860 | 21 哈哈，难说，看彼此stack了，3 handed game，top pair K很壮的了，你all-in是多少
？不all-in看到turn，他再push一下你十有八九也call了，river更难舍...反过来说，
flop上压倒性all-in的话，还可能打跑了bluff test raise。two pair这种暗箭跟set
一样，防不胜防。
说说你平时大概的玩法/经验，俺得学习学习。俺小的SNG(<100 ppl，average $3-$26)
玩得太多，小赚，基本原地踏步。大一点的MTT($11-$26，1000+ players)目前最好也就是
20th out of 1700，总共10几次，倒几乎次次在bubble里面，不过离big $差距还很远。 |
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D*A
发帖数: 1169 | 22 After some hands for online game
i feel the truth is poker is playing me
After spending hours to get into final table of a MTT, 7 pays and 8
remaining,
right that hand, i was dealt the 2nd nuts and some got nuts... |
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f*****g
发帖数: 15860 | 23 sigh, these big field MTTs are too time consuming, yet unless you finish in
top 9 (or even top 5), you don't really get anything for the efforts. |
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y********n
发帖数: 2063 | 24 1. You check his hand history, what hand has he played, in what position,
and how did he play?
2. You check his records on sharkscope for sng
OPR for MTT
3. Using software, PT, or tournament indicator. VPIP, aggression factor. |
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D*A
发帖数: 1169 | 25 got 2 Champion,
hehe, looks SNG is much easy than MTT |
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D*A
发帖数: 1169 | 26 4hours, just get in circle then out, doubled buy in,
..Why i am always been stopped right before the big $$$。。。 |
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f*****g
发帖数: 15860 | 27 1) you may be like me, when having a healthy stack, start to play relatively
conservatively between middle stage and bubble, hoping to be in money first.
fail to steal, and avoid to get into big pots too much... the result is you
get to the bubble with a short stack compared to blinds/antes, big stacks
can knock you out easily, even you win and double up, still, a short stack
and a long way to go...
2) normal, because very few times you'll get big $$$, even pros can't. one
pro played 15 events i |
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D*A
发帖数: 1169 | 28 i got great chance to win big $
but jut be beated by small outs,happen twice:
AA all in lose to Q 10
AK all in lose to AQ |
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i********r
发帖数: 1153 | 29 do you think MTT is worth your time?
I
most |
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D*A
发帖数: 1169 | 30 MTT ,close to FT, both have pretty health stack,
KK preflop allin called by KJ(why ppl made such stupid call)
5 8 9 - 10 -Q
what a runner -runer str8! |
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c****u
发帖数: 3277 | 31 the idea of winning mtt is that you often have to survive a few
confrontations
in which you are a huge underdog. |
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D*A
发帖数: 1169 | 32 从来没在FTP玩过，想试试水，这两天有可能白手起家挣到5.5$ 么
好像有free roll 100$ pay的MTT |
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f*****g
发帖数: 15860 | 33 saw it, man, you would have been at least top 50...
it sucks big when you have a healthy stack and somebody runs into you with
such a hand... sigh, that's why i stop playing MTTs after last time my AA
got busted by QQ at 20th out of 1600, same sh*t, raise-reraise-all-in...,
flop Qxx... got sh*tty $67 after 5 hours play. |
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D*A
发帖数: 1169 | 34 上期答案：
turn之后5 5 A 5,我手里是A 9，请根据不同river的牌分析一下我有多少种可能会输牌？
如果对手有5，无论river什么牌我都输
如果对手有A A，除非river来5，我也输了
如果对手有超过5的一对，如77,river 来7 我输
如果底下A5 suited，对手同花顺draW，draw 来我也输
除此以外split或者我赢。
In order to survive, you must be willing to die.
几分悲壮，几分豪迈。
你身处一场 Poker MTT的Final Table，冠军似乎伸手可及，
然而任何一手都隐藏着足够让你止步的杀机。
You have to be really strong, really aggressive。
赌场的游戏和情场的游戏有几分相似：
你想赢得对手多少，就必须先付出多少。
如果你想彻底赢得对手，你就得throw yourself all in。
尽管很多人告诫：不要全身心投入，然而很多时候，步步为营的战术只能让你错失良机。
你试图保护自己，然而这样往往你最终什么也得不到。
All in。只有All in |
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h*******s
发帖数: 3932 | 35 I haven't reached the main part yet. But I'm impressed by his record anyway:
So here is some of my stats over the last 629 tourneys. There are an average
of 491 players. My average place is 175. On average i pay 99 dollars an
entry fee. In those tourneys, I have placed in the money 115 times. I have
made the final table 46 times. I have 5 firsts, 4 seconds, and 12 third
places.
He made to final table 40% of the time he's in the money!! |
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y********n
发帖数: 2063 | 36 if he can conclude so many points, it is no wonder he has advantage over
others. Just as Dan Harrionton did
anyway:
average |
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y********n
发帖数: 2063 | 37 livb112
on ftp
HU/STT/MTT Prizes Profit ROI ABI AFS R/A
ITM ITM
Heads-Up 2 player $12,858,658 $313,555 2% $1,464 2
0% 4514/8568 53% |
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y********n
发帖数: 2063 | 38 you are right.
Even you are 18th, still not very good result.
Moreover, you are 9th, the result is not great.
Time is big problem for most ppl.
However, there are many good MTT players who can make a lot of money.
For example:jcamby33, DUCKU, USCPHILDO
I do not know how they make it. |
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y********n
发帖数: 2063 | 39 From my experience, the skill matters.
If you have 2% advantage, then , you will win back that 2% back in the long
run.
I have one post before, one guy is very very good at Head up, he has 2%
advantage against other players, he played 12million dollars(a little less
than 9000 heads up games) heads up game.
You can check some good MTT player's record, such as Peargammered, Ducku,
MoormanI. All are winners, they win every month. FTP, poker stars, just like
their ATM. And you can see many online go |
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h*******s
发帖数: 3932 | 40 前几天用$6赢了一个$26的token，今天报名参加$27,500 guarantee的比赛，double
stack（3000筹码），1474人，10分钟升blind。
比赛初期一切正常，不掺和乱七八糟的pot，主要靠两三个大pot，第一个小时到了
10000 chip size左右，field从1474人减少到1000人左右。
后来，我AQ call了一个44的allin，输了，筹码掉到3000多。立即switch gear，变得
更aggreesive，开始allin。这时候来牌了，总是拿pocket pair，而别人以为我开始
tilt了，给我action，结果我double up两次，然后kick out 4人，期间的牌比如55
beat AJ，KK beat 88（flop先出8，river出K），等等。那个最初44赢我的人说，your
blessed，呵呵。运气是不错，赢了好几个coin flip。第二个小时我的筹码到了29000
左右，排到第12名，field还剩394人。
后来我换了一桌，碰上两个排在前5名的。我第一手拿到AQ，call 2x raise，flop出来 |
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h***i
发帖数: 122 | 41 只说最后一把牌。到TURN以后注意到手上的D flush 没有意义了。此时对方两小对也是
很有可能的。要尽量避免跟CHIP LEADER摊牌。多欺负筹码在自己50%以下的。错了还有
机会。系统要清人的时候一般都给你发一些貌似很好的牌，然后来BAD BEAT。 |
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f*****g
发帖数: 15860 | 42 赞！相当不错，俺还有一堆tokens没敢玩，觉得水平不够，而且耗时很厉害。
你那个最后一把pre-flop小了点，到这个阶段，大家都知道最危险的敌人是和自己筹码
接近的，你这个size的raise基本等于没raise，不足以“赢得”他的重视，flop上看见
Q，他已经不可能放手了。
感觉到这个阶段，对chip leader，让，对类似级别，短兵相接，互相试探火力就够了
，玩最简单的standard扑克。而对short stack，狠狠砸，2 handed，shove with any
high+low cards, small PP。
打过的几次大型里面：
1)28000 guarantee，24名(1154人)，也就80来块小钱，那时候还不懂在最后20%阶段发
狠的打法。
2)32000 KO guarantee，146名(1449人)，这个更露怯，刚刚进bubble，最后大家几个
都在故意磨时间，等别桌的先死。
3)11500 KO guarantee，71名(661人)，这个其实开始打得相当不错，但是不喜欢6人台
的桌子。最后被donk打死，拿回buy-in而已。
4)mid n |
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y********n
发帖数: 2063 | 43 在回到了10万左右时，我拿到了AQ，raise到2xBB 8000, BB call。flop出来是Q 3 7
rainbow，perfect。BB bet 12000到22000的pot，我想了一下，smooth call。turn是2
，BB check，我30000，他raise allin（cover我），我call，结果他是QJ，river是个
J！弄了个44名，$84.9（图6）。唉，否则chip能到20多万。第一名可是$7000多啊。 |
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c****u
发帖数: 3277 | 44 everybody is lag when M is low, like 10 or less. When stack is deep,
lag style can accumulate larger stack or go bust earlier. So overally,
lag style is quite successful cause you either accumulate a large stack
or go bust early to save time....For cash game, it's a different story.
Many successful players only wear the skin of lag, they play a very tough
game when the pot is big. Those who are loose when the pot is big would be
eaten alive by better players...
money.
blinds, and even harder to |
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y********n
发帖数: 2063 | 45 And one crucial skill is to know how to win extra pot when you do not hit,
and you know how to play postflop and against certain player.
One pot is so crucial, it makes it add another 8bb--12bb to your stack.
Suppose you are in BB, have 1010, button raises to 3bb.
you have to call,
flop ace queen 5,
you check,
button raise. to 4BB
Do you fold right away or call? If you call, what should you do next street?
I watch one guy(BB) played, he calls 4bb raise. turn is 8 , BB leads out with 6bb. and win |
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h***i
发帖数: 122 | 46 这个heads up其实没有意义。结果不会改变我的看法。而且十把缺乏统计学意义，0t, 19, 28, 37，46，55，区分度太小。另外，正规比赛大部分都是MTT而不是HEADS UP。 |
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f*****g
发帖数: 15860 | 47 你们俩啊，别较这个劲了。
还是那句话，要不等玩100K手后再考虑，或者你认定了扑克没有技术，赌运气，别玩了
，真的，少一个象俺们这样给regulars，小pros们垫底的，对俺们个人来说，其实是省
了钱。很多人玩了很久扑克，最后也撤了，个人原因各异，你这个也其实没什么不好，
还更早更坚定些。
, 19, 28, 37，46，55，区分度太小。另外，正规比赛大部分都是MTT而不是HEADS UP。 |
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w***w
发帖数: 6301 | 48 你一个真钱都没打过的人,who care你什么看法.
真钱都不敢玩的人,敢来给poker下定论,本身就是个JOKE.
, 19, 28, 37，46，55，区分度太小。另外，正规比赛大部分都是MTT而不是HEADS UP。 |
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h***i
发帖数: 122 | 49 多说无益。贴一个刚打的MTT。这是前三把牌。我都盖掉了。那个K2s本来还想看一下牌
。第一把如果冲进去我多半会误判别人是A2345。当然这三把都是很普通的牌，但是开
始连续三把就这样还是有点奇怪的。 |
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y********n
发帖数: 2063 | 50 Me 2. Several times, I went very deep in MTT, but busted in one hand. When I
reviewed those hands, I did not need to get broken with that hand. But
usually, still 50-50 case, just lose it.
Nowadays, I will focus on SNG game(9 ppl) to simulate the final table, and
practice my end game ability. |
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