W********m
发帖数: 7793 | 1 merge 上还又67$. 决定认真打打NL10.. 希望不会破产~~ |
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W********m
发帖数: 7793 | 2 从NL10 donk 那里现学现用donk play.. lol
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No-Limit Hold'em, $0.10 BB (9 handed) - Hold'em Manager Converter Tool from http://www.flopturnriver.com
Hero (SB) ($20.60)
BB ($12.08)
UTG ($10.72)
UTG+1 ($11.28)
MP1 ($10.59)
MP2 ($6.31)
MP3 ($9.02)
CO ($7.75)
Button ($18.50)
Preflop: Hero is SB with 9h, 9c
1 fold, UTG+1 bets $0.30, 5 folds, Hero calls $0.25, 1 fold
Flop: ($0.70) 3d, 10d, 10h (2 players)
Hero bets $0.40, UTG+1 calls $0.40
Turn: ($1.50) Qs (2 players)
Hero checks, UTG+1 b... 阅读全帖 |
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W********m
发帖数: 7793 | 3 --96.13$. 这NL10 也不是那么好打~~~ |
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T*********k
发帖数: 1621 | 4 我从 NL10 打起的原因是我觉得打牌打到现在没有好好的做过资金管理，从 NL10 打起
可以说是一种尝试。看看自己到底有没有 Displine 彻底贯彻 Chris 的资金管理原则。
其实从 NL100 被打下来，原则来说也是要 move down 去打 low limit 的。 NL 25 需
要的资金是 500, NL 50 需要的资金是 1000。 跟 NL10 的 200 快初始资金 差的并不
是太多。如果运气好，可能 3 个多月就可以 Move up 到 NL25。
最重要的一点，从最底层打起，我觉得会让我感觉 move up 是多不容易，打 high
limit 的时候会更加 focus，如果从 low limit 就养成资金管理的习惯，到 high
limit 遇到 down swing 可能会处理的更好一些。
最近 NL100 也打的不顺也是一个重要原因，holdem manager 查了一下，从 12/1 日到
今天，我在 NL100 single table， 40k 手牌，我赚了可怜兮兮的 99.85 元，ev
adjusted 是 $1656.74， 见图。最... 阅读全帖 |
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T*********k
发帖数: 1621 | 5 看了 Chris Fengason 从 0 打到 10K 的故事。里面 Chris 讲到他 bankroll
management 的原则：
1. Cash game, never buy in more than 5% of your bankroll.
2. if anytime the money on the table exceed 10% of your bank roll, you have
to quit.
够简单了。
决定照做。 就当 bankroll management 的 training. 于是把 ftp 左右钱都取出来了
，只剩 200 快。
按照原则，200 的 5%, 我只能从 NL10 打起。
计划是这样的，初始资金 200 --> NL 10,
要跳到 NL 25，资金值需在 600 (500 就可以了，但想给自己 cushion）。如果每天平
均进账 5 元，最少需 120 天，4 个月左右。
今天在 NL10 buy-in full，打了一个多小时，挣了 15 元。撤。
乖乖，NL10 的同志们水平比我想象的好的多，Harrinton 书中说的一... 阅读全帖 |
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l**********t
发帖数: 269 | 6 probably due to the level I play in. NL10. most huge bets on the river
means big hand. It is rarely bluffing. But I will call in this case just
to make sure. It is an easy decision since it usually doesn't cost much at
NL10. But probably a bad habit? Still learning to fold. |
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W********m
发帖数: 7793 | 7 I like taking notes too. I totally agree that it is one of the keys to
success. The problem i have with NL10 on FTP is that I rarely have more than
one player that i have played before when I open up a table (show up on my
poker tracker) and whenever someone wins a hand, they leave quickly after i
just got a little read on them. It is like playing in the dark all the time
. Maybe because there is many more player on NL10 level or I just do not
play enough cash game? |
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W********m
发帖数: 7793 | 8 看一个人的帖就可以看出一个人对poker的理解到社么程度, 很多看似浅显的道理, 很多人打了很久其实还没理解... 看了好几个你的回帖, 我
觉的你真可以到高一点的级别打.. 从NL10 开始.. 有了bankroll 再升... 我年初还在
打NL10呢... 你很有希望...有社么hand history 也可以拿出来讨论... |
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r****r
发帖数: 1394 | 9 最近打的多了一点，感觉不同时间对手风格还是有些不同。
俺NL10小鱼，还没有PT3之类的数据软件，不过觉得即使有数据软件，各位高手还是会
有比较喜欢的捕鱼时间吧？
最近我觉得在nl10,东部时间0点之后似乎好一些，action更猛。说不定能逮着一些“最
后一把”。 |
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T*********k
发帖数: 1621 | 10 even nl10 players knows c-bet and river bluff sometimes .
of course they have a tough time to bluff me out because the story is not
convincing and well, the money is too small to fold a tptk hand
but just tell u the level of micro stake players are much advanced than i
originally thought and it is not a walk in the park to collect money. it
make me more lazy because the money i won can't possibly compensate the time
i spent. i rather watch movie at night than think out loud for two hours
just ... 阅读全帖 |
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t********t
发帖数: 5415 | 11
加上ftp取出来这点差不多够NL10了。关键我不能直接16table NL10，搞不好会出人命
的 |
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M*Q
发帖数: 54 | 12 哈，之前经常和朋友打home game，NL10的
网上自己打过一些NL10，live的经历只有DE和WV各一次 |
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q****8
发帖数: 3281 | 13 我觉得你朋友说的没错。你决定要打哪个STAKE的第一因素是你的水平和发挥，不是BR
。因为你觉得5/10简单,总是想RUN OVER别人，当然也就不会发挥出最高水准。象你这
种情况，我会首选打10/20，因为能发挥最高水准。
还有TILT有很多原因，我觉得你的原因是EGO。你自己好好体会体会，我觉得应该是这
样。我也是这样，EGO一来就容易TILT。什么时候我能真正做到为钱而打牌，看到好的
REG就躲，只找FISH和差一些的REG，我的胜率会提高好多。前面谁说的NL1000上输钱会
TILT，NL10上输不会TILT。我不太同意。如果TILT的原因是因为输的钱数多少，那没错
的。但很多情况TILT是源自EGO。所以我在NL10上输钱会比NL1000上输钱TILT的多。。 |
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w***w
发帖数: 6301 | 14 Harrington wrote that if you are beating a live game for 10BB/hr, you're
crushing it. That's $20/hr at 1/2 and $50/hr at 2/5. That doesn't mean that
you can't beat it for more, it just means that over time winning that much
means you're vastly superior than your opponents. Most people don't sustain
that over a long period of time because they move up to win more money.
http://forumserver.twoplustwo.com/170/live-low-stakes-nl/offici
我理解Harrington这句话的意思，是打live 1/2NL长期超过 $20/hour是可以做到的。
但是能做到这个的人不会... 阅读全帖 |
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w***w
发帖数: 6301 | 15 高额桌会有影响。
micro不会有什么影响。
最基本的ABC poker就行了。
现在PS的reg打200NL都是4-6桌。
打micro多2桌不会有问题。
6桌NL10肯定比4桌NL200轻松的多。
打tourney的多的能打40桌。
10台NL5肯定有很多人能打。
不需要每个reg都能这么干。
PS几千reg中能有几个跑到micro这么搞就把鱼都杀光了。
NL10 |
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q****8
发帖数: 3281 | 16 桌数多了只能打ABC了，但是我觉得ABC是不可能一桌赢40bb的，就算是micro,也做不到
的。
我如果打一桌NL10要最大化利润，我肯定VPIP 40%以上，因为POSTFLOP差距太大了，但
这就不是ABC了。6－8桌这么搞肯定顾不过来的。
micro的鱼是不会被杀光的，现场最小NL200，鱼都一批接一批，online才NL4,NL10之类
的。现在关键是大多数鱼都不打online了，所以感觉鱼很少了。 |
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l**********t
发帖数: 269 | 17 probably due to the level I play in. NL10. most huge bets on the river
means big hand. It is rarely bluffing. But I will call in this case just
to make sure. It is an easy decision since it usually doesn't cost much at
NL10. But probably a bad habit? Still learning to fold. |
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l**********t
发帖数: 269 | 18 Dont have hh yet and I haven't installed any sort of poker tracker yet so
dont have the stats either. I'm seriously not sure what is the right way to
play KK with the A on broad.
I play 0.05/0.10 game on poker star. it is the NL10?
I was dealt KK and raised to 0.30. everyone fold except the guy on BB
called 0.30. I have position on him.
That guy is LAG. He loves any face card and would rise no matter how weak
the kicker is. He doesn't like any number card. He always folds when he
totally |
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l**********t
发帖数: 269 | 19 I think only two things work at level NL10. Need to look up the numbers to
be sure. Cbet which is more often value bet/semi bluff than pure bluff and
bet on the BTN with any trashy hand to steal the blinds when everyone
folded before you.
And thx for recomanding the poker tracker. It is working wonders on fixing
up my game. |
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l**********t
发帖数: 269 | 20 fold fold fold. It is nl10. It was one of my major leaks. tptk is
rarely good enough here.
call/miniraise + huge river bet/all in === monster all the time. |
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l**********t
发帖数: 269 | 21 that is a lot of money. :) For total beginner like me, with a winning
rate of about 7bb/100 hands at micor NL10 that is an average winning of less
than $2 per hour. But really cann't complain when getting paid to have fun
. :) |
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l**********t
发帖数: 269 | 22 thx. that is a great point. I just started to adjusting my play base on
who I'm playing against at the tables recently. I think that is the
major improvement from NL10 TO NL 25. Before even through I take notes on
other players, I didn't really use those notes while I'm in a hand with
them. really have to take time to make the decisions. :) It is a bit
overwhelming to think so much while playing cards. and I'm still getting
used to it.
will
hands
donkey |
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l**********t
发帖数: 269 | 23 要是刚开始在网上打。实在没必要固定在一个网站。
poker star 是最 beignner friendly 的了。 micro level rake 比 full tilt 要好
很多。而且 frist deposite 100% match 只有 $50. 适合刚开始。 getting your
feet wet first. 输也就输$50. 基本上你要是NL10 winning player, by the
time you earn the $50 bouns, your bankroll would be around $200 already and
a confident winning player.
then you can move right to Fulltilt with that $600 first deposite to carry
you right up to the next limit. Just make sure you deposite $600 to get
that 100% match and also rake |
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l**********t
发帖数: 269 | 24 I'm really at the early stage of learning poker so there are many hands I
dont play at all. :) I dont play A with any kind of small kicker at this
point.
With the hands that I do play. I'm mostly working on the post flop play at
this time. the betting size, reading the board, reading the other players.
I want to get all the finer details done. and make sure I win more and lose
less with most of the hands that I do play.
I can get away with doing this at NL10/NL25 because nobody pays atte |
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l**********t
发帖数: 269 | 25 really nice. :) I feel that even players at cash games are getting better
. people are definitly getting trickier even at NL10. lots of play back/
push back happening. tough decision after tough decision. But I happen to
be running really bad. so not exactly sure.
on
in |
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W********m
发帖数: 7793 | 26 Take a look at the following hands. All of them are on NL10 table. Please
let me know any suggestion of the plays.
i have KK sb, EP raise 4X, I reraised to 15X. flop Ac 8c 5h. I meant to bet
half pot but misclicked check. EP bets pot size. I fold.
i have QQ bb, EP raise 4X, MP and button calls. I reraise to 15X. EP call,
MP and button folds
flop Kd10d5s, i bet half pot, EP shove 80 blinds. I tank and fold.
Is my play too weak? First hand I could call the flop bet. but it seems to me that I can |
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W********m
发帖数: 7793 | 27 very nice but risky play. It rarely worked for me on NL10 tables even though my table image is usually very tight. Sometimes it is nice to play with players who actually can lay down a hand. lol |
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p*******p
发帖数: 13670 | 28 play money打再多也没啥意思,不如打small stake先,从NL10开始好了 |
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r****r
发帖数: 1394 | 29 打了一点点NL10 rush，不清楚输了几块还是赢了几块，反正在几块之内。boring.
在等PLO10 rush。现在最小25，我不想存钱了，打不起。 |
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W********m
发帖数: 7793 | 30 成长的道路真艰辛啊。。NL10, NL25 那时也像是不能爬上的山峰。。。 |
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W********m
发帖数: 7793 | 31 best part of playing cash game is probably ironman+rakebacks. Rush makes
this more significant. I got the most rakeback ever last week. I didn't even
play that much rush, but I am on my way to silver ironman for the month.
50 ftp pts is very easy to reach. i am averaging >100 ftp a day but can't
make to gold level. Overall, i am still up a bit on rush. I still have
better performance in NL25 than NL10. But I play NL 10 sometimes when i am
not in the mood for bigger swings.
A few leaks i am tryi |
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W********m
发帖数: 7793 | 32 A few hand to share. let me know what you would do
NL10 rush
hand 1:
I was dealt 9c7c on button.
EP limp in, MP limp in. I limp too. sb limp, bb check
flop 6h7h9h
all check, i bet pot 50c. BB call everyone fold.
turn 10c,
bb check, i check
river 9d.
bb lead pot size bets 1.5$, i have around 5$ left
what do I do? what does bb have?
hand 2
I was dealt 10c10d on bb.
CO raise 4X, everyone folds to me, I call
flop
A 10 6 rainbow
I lead 60c, CO raise to 1.60$, i call
turn 2,
I lead 1.30$, CO all in |
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m*********4
发帖数: 94 | 33 1，79s在button可以steal了，可能你们桌比较passtive，limp也能看到folp。
postfolp没什么问题。
2，为什么要lead？你打的nl10，donk 60c into 85c? 这么强的donk 如果你的对手没
有A，你连赚他CBET的机会都没有
3，如果我是你我会reraise多一点点，如果对方很deep也可能会flat call。这样不管
turn是什么都是可all in了 因为commit了，你这样reraise flop 然后ck turn 太像
bluff cbet了，turn 不管来什么对手都可以all in bluff你。 既然你最后决定call，
就不该ck turn，尤其是对手不deep的情况下。
4，你不敢allin 怕他 runner runner flsuh？ 他什么牌会才call你的flop reraise
oop 还能成flush？9hjh,khqh这两个应该在flop reraise back，只有KhJh这个可能了
，但是3$只是一个halfsize pot bet，你没理由不call吧。
5，sb limp 29s，本身就 |
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W********m
发帖数: 7793 | 34
1，79s在button可以steal了，可能你们桌比较passtive，limp也能看到folp。
postfolp没什么问题。
2 limpers ahead is the reason why I didn't raise. but agree that raising is
a possibility. But i feel it gives the limpers to good an odds to call
unless i raise a lot which turn my hand to a bluff before the flop even.
2，为什么要lead？你打的nl10，donk 60c into 85c? 这么强的donk 如果你的对手没
有A，你连赚他CBET的机会都没有
I use to like check raise here. But nowadays I think bets and call raise is
much better. 1. It won't give him a free card if he indeed pla |
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m*********4
发帖数: 94 | 35 我知道这还是有不少牛人的，不过好像cash game的不多？等我beat nl50再说吧。。
我现在有40多个buyin可以move up了，winrate也还可以，5.xxbb/100.但是在nl10到
nl25的时候有一个big downswing，我准备把bankroll升到50 buyin的时候在move up了
。。 |
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W********m
发帖数: 7793 | 36 sick bump.
看到一年前第一次搞到silver ironman 有多高兴， 实在是汗颜。。 lol. NL10 能
搞到silver 也不容易啊。。。 赫赫。。 |
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p*******p
发帖数: 13670 | 37 来自主题: TexasHoldem版 - 新人报道~ 这里大部分人都是FTP的
我现在玩NL100, 以前NL50
大部分人在NL10-100吧,也有高手玩NL1000 +的 |
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W********m
发帖数: 7793 | 38 只要自几read well. BB 没啥. 今天被BB了几个2 outer. 觉得自几没打错, 心也平
了. cash bb的影象还是挺大的, 特别是stack deep 的时候. 今天NL25上下swing 5个buy-in, variance 真大啊. 不过NL10是不会再回去打了..
draw |
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t********t
发帖数: 5415 | 39 在freeroll能拿几次final table就可以开NL5~NL10而不用存钱了...难啊。 |
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c**********l
发帖数: 606 | 40 三十这样的应该算是很特殊了. 我们小鱼们一般从NL25或0.5/1 LHE开始. 未必是输不
起, 高了很可能付了学费没学到啥. 如果你经验很少,那么从NL5 或NL10开始也没什么
不可以的. FTP NL25以下 7%RAKE, 不太好(很不好). PS一率5%, 以前NANO都是免费的. |
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t*********d
发帖数: 3398 | 41 俺昨天状态不好， 决定主打tournament， 中间始终无聊， 就带了$4去打NL10, 搞了半个多小时， 搞到$20， 结果在一把牌中输回到5刀， AK button， flop 两对， bet pot， 被人QTo gutdraw call了， 然后真被他等到了， turn J, 我没能fold， call 了他turn 和river的big pot， 输了。 当时以为他是AJ两对， nnd， 卡顺也等， 气死俺了。
24+2那个tounament, AQ 被Q9 river了， 前面还有一个5+0.5的90人的SNG, 我early position bet 2xbb with77, button raised to 5xbb, I called, flop 347, I checked, button bet pot 11bb, I called, turn Q, button all in 30bb, I called. Button showed KK, then another K came at river!
点被吧。 |
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z****n
发帖数: 1514 | 42 Thank you. I have played NL10 for a week since last week at FTP (about 3000 hands). So far I am
just break even without counting rake rebate. Is this too bad? |
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z****n
发帖数: 1514 | 43 结果是13BB/100hand. 最后有好几个bad beat，要不还要更高。
有一手牌我也许weak了，
我raise 3BB with pocket pair 5s, then BB calls.
Flop is 10 10 10, then BB checks, I bet 3BB again, BB calls.
Turn 4, then BB checks, I bet 1/2 pot, BB call again.
River 8, then BB bet 1 pot(which put me all in), I fold.
Should I call here? I guess BB only has a A or K here, but I also hesitate BB hits pair of 8. |
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f*****g
发帖数: 15860 | 44 55这里最多是个bluff catcher，太弱了，完全不值得。
micro stake真的目标可以设高一点，主要问题其实都是自己的leaks。
fcf的一句话比较让俺开窍，之前俺觉得2009 small stakes (比如100NL, 200NL) best
grinders挺不错的(比如5BB/100，几十万手一年)，结果他老说其实这些人都是因为升
不上去而已。 查了一下，还真是，一尝试升级就给揍得鼻青脸肿。
BB hits pair of 8. |
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y********n
发帖数: 2063 | 45 personal thinking: the game is still the same. the stack size, the preflop
raise size according to the blinds level.
The major difference is the opponent.
best |
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s****i
发帖数: 30 | 46 I just start to play rush25 this month, and find one major difference
between NL25 and NL10 is that many people in NL25 think that when they start
betting huge they have shit...
So when I have nuts, I will not slow play and bet huge...
just called. |
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W********m
发帖数: 7793 | 47 with >35k hands played on both NL25 and NL10, I can say confidently that this statement is false or at least very misleading. |
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W********m
发帖数: 7793 | 48 I will attempt it when i made 2k on NL 25. It might not be long. I know i
can beat NL25. The biggest enemy is still myself. For example, How I can
stop spewing the pot when i got 3 betted 4 5 times in a row when I open
raise preflop. It is affecting my win rate huge. I even made some stupid
donk move recently that I used to do when I was struggling with NL10.
Playing with my ass not my brain sometimes is not helping me to make a
profit.. lol.. 0$ made in 3 weeks is unacceptable even if I run |
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W********m
发帖数: 7793 | 49 bump and report 一下.. total bankroll 7K now. made 4 k over 3 month (may
June July) including 6月7月huge下风期(ftp simply hates me).
在first level small stake NL100 打了17k手last week, so far 算是站得还稳..希望今年升上NL200, 暂时target bankroll 是 12k升级
今年grind rush poker 的进程.
1/10/2010-3/21/2010 NL10 30.0k hand break even 0.14bb/100 5$
1/30/2010-5/17/2010 NL25 76.6k 3.44bb/100 hand 659.13$
5/18/2010 7/31/2010 NL50 109.5k hands 3.61bb/100hand 1977.15$
7/31/2010 until 8/8/2010 NL100 |
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t********t
发帖数: 5415 | 50 退回到nl2从头开始，发现这世界上真是什么人都有...NL10+的想法在NL2根本没法用。
Full Tilt Poker $2.00 No Limit Hold'em - 9 players
The Official DeucesCracked.com Hand History Converter
UTG+1: $0.89
UTG+2: $0.66
MP1: $1.84
MP2: $2.08
Hero (CO): $1.54
BTN: $0.70
SB: $2.01
BB: $2.01
UTG: $2.19
Pre Flop: ($0.03) Hero is CO with Kc Kh
2 folds, UTG+2 calls $0.02, MP1 raises to $0.06, 1 fold, Hero raises to
$0.20, 4 folds, MP1 calls $0.14
Flop: ($0.45) 3s Kd 6h (2 players)
MP1 bets $1.64, Hero calls $1.34 all in
Turn: ($3.13) Qd (2 pla |
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