l******n
发帖数: 35 | 1 不用客气，大家都在尽力帮忙
你说的参考和我说的应该是同源的，都是2010年修正的。我觉得对staging来讲，这应
该是现在最权威的文章了。
你所引的文章中这一句“Patients previously considered T4 if additional tumour
nodules were found in the same lobe are now classified as T3. Additional
tumour nodules outside the primary lobe but in the same lung, are now down
staged from M1 to T4 and they may be suitable for a pneumonectomy. ” 我的理
解是如果是一个肿瘤影响了两片肺叶，算T3，如果是两个肿瘤在同侧不同的肺叶里面，
算T4。这里并没有提到具体的肿瘤分类。
你的心情大家都理解，我们也希望是更早期的诊断，这样预后回更好。你也不用太纠结
于现有的survival，因为这个时间只是统计意义上的，对于每一个病人来讲，术后成活
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l*********i
发帖数: 30 | 2 Thank you so much, leonsean! I appreciate the info and your time although
the info is quite frightening.
Do you refer to UICC's 7th lung cancer TNM classification and staging system
? One thing I am not sure about is that when they say "Separate tumor
nodules in a different ipsilateral lobe", does it mean that the tumor
nodules should be of the same type? In the following article,
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3351680/
it is mentioned that "satellite tumor" or "direct extent of t... 阅读全帖 |
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l******n
发帖数: 35 | 3 不用客气，大家都在尽力帮忙
你说的参考和我说的应该是同源的，都是2010年修正的。我觉得对staging来讲，这应
该是现在最权威的文章了。
你所引的文章中这一句“Patients previously considered T4 if additional tumour
nodules were found in the same lobe are now classified as T3. Additional
tumour nodules outside the primary lobe but in the same lung, are now down
staged from M1 to T4 and they may be suitable for a pneumonectomy. ” 我的理
解是如果是一个肿瘤影响了两片肺叶，算T3，如果是两个肿瘤在同侧不同的肺叶里面，
算T4。这里并没有提到具体的肿瘤分类。
你的心情大家都理解，我们也希望是更早期的诊断，这样预后回更好。你也不用太纠结
于现有的survival，因为这个时间只是统计意义上的，对于每一个病人来讲，术后成活
... 阅读全帖 |
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s**********a
发帖数: 1277 | 4 我十月份感冒过，发热可能就一个晚上，但是之后咳嗽鼻涕不断，鼻涕先好，干咳一直
到1月可能才慢慢消失。但是现在天气冷，如果我一直在家，就没事，但是如果出去吹
了冷风就会稍微干咳一两天再消失。我上个1月底做了ct检查，用了什么碘，本来要做
petct，说保险不报销，要先做ct，所以这个可能是强化ct？不过我不确定。我做ct的
原因是因为鼻子流血，然后做b超查出八个颈部淋巴结.
Right neck:
Level 2: There are 2 benign-appearing lymph nodes seen measuring 0.6 x
1.4 x 2 cm and 0.5 x 0.8 x 0.9 cm
Level 3: Lymph node measuring 0.7 x 1.3 x 2.5 cm, benign in appearance
Level 5: Lymph node measuring 0.4 x 0.9 x 0.9 cm, benign in
appearance.
Left neck:
Level 2: 0.6 x 1.0 x 1.3 cm lymph node, b... 阅读全帖 |
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n**********6
发帖数: 136 | 5 帮忙顶一下sweetchocola的帖子
我十月份感冒过，发热可能就一个晚上，但是之后咳嗽鼻涕不断，鼻涕先好，干咳一直
到1月可能才慢慢消失。但是现在天气冷，如果我一直在家，就没事，但是如果出去吹
了冷风就会稍微干咳一两天再消失。我上个1月底做了ct检查，用了什么碘，本来要做
petct，说保险不报销，要先做ct，所以这个可能是强化ct？不过我不确定。我做ct的
原因是因为鼻子流血，然后做b超查出八个颈部淋巴结.
Right neck:
Level 2: There are 2 benign-appearing lymph nodes seen measuring 0.6 x
1.4 x 2 cm and 0.5 x 0.8 x 0.9 cm
Level 3: Lymph node measuring 0.7 x 1.3 x 2.5 cm, benign in appearance
Level 5: Lymph node measuring 0.4 x 0.9 x 0.9 cm, benign in
appearance.
Left neck:
Level 2: 0.6 x 1.0 ... 阅读全帖 |
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s**********a
发帖数: 1277 | 6 我十月份感冒过，发热可能就一个晚上，但是之后咳嗽鼻涕不断，鼻涕先好，干咳一直
到1月可能才慢慢消失。但是现在天气冷，如果我一直在家，就没事，但是如果出去吹
了冷风就会稍微干咳一两天再消失。我上个1月底做了ct检查，用了什么碘，本来要做
petct，说保险不报销，要先做ct，所以这个可能是强化ct？不过我不确定。我做ct的
原因是因为鼻子流血，然后做b超查出八个颈部淋巴结.
Right neck:
Level 2: There are 2 benign-appearing lymph nodes seen measuring 0.6 x
1.4 x 2 cm and 0.5 x 0.8 x 0.9 cm
Level 3: Lymph node measuring 0.7 x 1.3 x 2.5 cm, benign in appearance
Level 5: Lymph node measuring 0.4 x 0.9 x 0.9 cm, benign in
appearance.
Left neck:
Level 2: 0.6 x 1.0 x 1.3 cm lymph node, b... 阅读全帖 |
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n**********6
发帖数: 136 | 7 帮忙顶一下sweetchocola的帖子
我十月份感冒过，发热可能就一个晚上，但是之后咳嗽鼻涕不断，鼻涕先好，干咳一直
到1月可能才慢慢消失。但是现在天气冷，如果我一直在家，就没事，但是如果出去吹
了冷风就会稍微干咳一两天再消失。我上个1月底做了ct检查，用了什么碘，本来要做
petct，说保险不报销，要先做ct，所以这个可能是强化ct？不过我不确定。我做ct的
原因是因为鼻子流血，然后做b超查出八个颈部淋巴结.
Right neck:
Level 2: There are 2 benign-appearing lymph nodes seen measuring 0.6 x
1.4 x 2 cm and 0.5 x 0.8 x 0.9 cm
Level 3: Lymph node measuring 0.7 x 1.3 x 2.5 cm, benign in appearance
Level 5: Lymph node measuring 0.4 x 0.9 x 0.9 cm, benign in
appearance.
Left neck:
Level 2: 0.6 x 1.0 ... 阅读全帖 |
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D*******y
发帖数: 189 | 8 My mother is 75, had 3 nodules found in her right lung during routine
checkup in April, CT was done, infection was suspected at small cities in
central China, no effects after 8 weeks of different antibiotics, went to
Beijing in July, told the nodules are almost certain to be cancer, VATS for
right mid lobe removal and upper lobewedge resections, confirmed
adenocarcinoma during surgery, recovered and went home in one week. Told no
need for chemotherapy. This is something I am not sure. |
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f**l
发帖数: 433 | 9 我近年冬天老咳嗽，家庭医生叫我做X光，发现右肺有nodule. 然后做了C丅，确认有2
个nodules, 一个4mm一个5mm, 无积水。
我不抽烟，办公室工作，沒有肺癌家族史。我和你太太一样年纪，吃得很健康，体检其
它健康指标都很好。我醫生说是low risk， 她不擔心。建議一
年后再作個CT。如果我實在怕就半年后再做一個CT。
這里怎麼说得這個可怕...... |
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f**l
发帖数: 433 | 10 我近年冬天老咳嗽，家庭医生叫我做X光，发现右肺有nodule. 然后做了C丅，确认有2
个nodules, 一个4mm一个5mm, 无积水。
我不抽烟，办公室工作，沒有肺癌家族史。我和你太太一样年纪，吃得很健康，体检其
它健康指标都很好。我醫生说是low risk， 她不擔心。建議一
年后再作個CT。如果我實在怕就半年后再做一個CT。
這里怎麼说得這個可怕...... |
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P*U
发帖数: 466 | 11 前天做了肠镜，发现长了一非常小的息肉，当时就去除了，还长了个Nodule。上周的CT
一切正常，CEA也正常。请问Nodule是什么？是不是表示我肠癌有可能复发了？
我当时问肠科医生是不是复发了，他说等结果。结果下周才能出来，我很害怕，上来请
教大家。
谢谢！ |
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P*U
发帖数: 466 | 12 前天做了肠镜，发现长了一非常小的息肉，当时就去除了，还长了个Nodule。上周的CT
一切正常，CEA也正常。请问Nodule是什么？是不是表示我肠癌有可能复发了？
我当时问肠科医生是不是复发了，他说等结果。结果下周才能出来，我很害怕，上来请
教大家。
谢谢！ |
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H********g
发帖数: 43926 | 13 【 以下文字转载自 Military 讨论区 】
发信人: cccpwx (暱稱太短), 信区: Military
标 题: 牛肉姐血泪控诉美帝医生和医疗 ZT
发信站: BBS 未名空间站 (Tue Jan 23 01:15:19 2018, 美东)
niernier11
注册@2017-08-17
字体大小: 发表于 2018-01-23 00:42 |只看楼主
甲状腺大潮， 说说我的二次甲亢， 第二次进行中。。。 美国医生就是shit
高中在国内， 有一天， 我妈觉得我的头颈特别粗。 她以为我缺碘， 拼命叫我吃海带
。 。我对海带觉得很不好吃，但还被逼着吃。
直到有一天， 我骑自行车， 骑到一半， 心跳太快， 骑不动了， 倒在路边， 我妈带
我去医院看病。 一查， 甲亢。 碘太多了。
然后吃药。 吃了什么药， 忘了。 吃了三年， 就好了。 其实， 吃了几个月， 就感
觉好了。 后面是maintain。 当时吃药一点副作用都没有。觉得这甲亢不是个big
deal
二十年后， 我自己vacation， 带着我狗儿子去了一次cabo mexico， 顺便在这里推荐
一下我住的... 阅读全帖 |
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a*******h
发帖数: 277 | 14 产后3个月，出现了甲亢症状，心率快。检查了甲状腺功能和 甲状腺B超。请帮助看看
甲状腺B超结果。
Real-time sonographic imaging was performed with representative images
submitted. The right lobe measures 5*2.8*1.7cm. The left measures 5.4*2*1.
4cm. The isthmus is 5 mm thick. The gland is diffusely heterogenous with a
hypoechoic nodule suggested toward the mid to lower left lobe measuring 6*10
*13mm.
Impression: Heterogeneous gland. Hypoechoic nodule toward the lower pole of
the left lobe.
甲功检查完全是甲亢表现。
请问B超是说明我有甲状腺占位病变吗？最后的Impression 是什么意思？
先行感 |
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d********9
发帖数: 3927 | 15 Thanks, you look like an expert. Googled a bit and found that there are
actual cases where ultrathin bronchoscope can't reach, even though ultrathin
bronchoscope has much more broadened the ability to reach peripheral
nodules. Just curious, when CT scan shows peripheral lung nodule, wouldn't
the least invasive diagonosis be lung biopsy (by using needle) and not
bronchoscopy?
Also heard that bronchoscopy is quite complicated because it gets a lot of
medical professionals involved: people preparin... 阅读全帖 |
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e****0
发帖数: 678 | 16 • Exaggerated deep tendon reflexes can be seen in lock in syndrome.
• Non bleeding varices are managed with nonselective beta-
adrenergic antagonists, such as propranolol.
• Sclerotherapy, endoscopic band ligation, and surgery are
indicated after a patient has a first episode of variceal bleeding.
• TIPS is a last resort in variceal bleeding unresponsive to
medical and endoscopic intervention.
• Ischemic colitis
CT—thickening of eth bowel ... 阅读全帖 |
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J******i
发帖数: 1 | 17 Hi all,
There was a saying that much more residency programs are willing to provide
J1 instead of H1B visa. Is it true? I won't be able to obtain a green card
before Match; therefore, I definitely need a J1 or H1B. If the options left
were programs only providing J1 visa, am I supposed to get a job in a
Chinese hospital beforehand? Since I also heard that you want to have a base
in your citizenship country so that the program could apply to the US
department of immigrants for a ds-2019 for you.
... 阅读全帖 |
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a*******n
发帖数: 82 | 18 En, I gave her Ativan 0.5 mg once. Her nausea was unchanged.
Her vitals: afebril, HR 56, BP 105/68, RR 12, Sating 94% on 2 L NC.
Her UA showed >20 WBC, positive nitrites, positive LE and culture eventually
grew out E coli. LFT showed albumin 2.5, TP 4.6, otherwise unremarkable.
She had a million of things going on, however, I believed "nausea" is the
key. She didn't have any vertigo or dizziness or vision change, which made
CNS cause less likely. Gastritis? severe nausea without pain? Doesn't so... 阅读全帖 |
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a*******n
发帖数: 82 | 19 En, I gave her Ativan 0.5 mg once. Her nausea was unchanged.
Her vitals: afebril, HR 56, BP 105/68, RR 12, Sating 94% on 2 L NC.
Her UA showed >20 WBC, positive nitrites, positive LE and culture eventually
grew out E coli. LFT showed albumin 2.5, TP 4.6, otherwise unremarkable.
She had a million of things going on, however, I believed "nausea" is the
key. She didn't have any vertigo or dizziness or vision change, which made
CNS cause less likely. Gastritis? severe nausea without pain? Doesn't so... 阅读全帖 |
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R*******t
发帖数: 367 | 20 Maximal SUV of 2.6 is suggestive of malignancy but not definitive. Need the
average liver SUV as baseline. In the states, the first step is biopsy of
the left upper lobe mass for tissue diagnosis.
There are no measurements of multiple lung nodules on the left. They are FDG
negative, but they could be too small and under the threshold of PET (8-
10mm). These need to be followed up.
Mediastinal and hilar nodes are hot. Although calcifications in the nodes
suggest inflammatory or granulomatous proc... 阅读全帖 |
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s**********t
发帖数: 217 | 21 Hope just VATS surgery, not an open one. The mediastinal lymphonodes with
calcification likely present old TB infection along with pleural thickness.
Sarcoidosis is a rare disease in asian population, esp in old man. Round
atelactesis should be on your DDx if the nodule is pleural based. The
surgery, just for biopsy? The uncertainty of the RUL and RLL nodules
worries me. If this is a cancer case, its stage IV already. VATS is
acceptable, open surgery may be too aggressive to me. |
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a*********d
发帖数: 2763 | 22 这位同学，讨论一下可以，可不可以不要一上来就是让你手术就是为了赚钱。你自己也
是学医的么，为什么要给病人这种感觉？我refer病人给外科对我来说一点不影响我的
收入，我要是不refer，在我手里多“保守观察几次”，多做几次超声，我还能多赚几
次钱呢。
甲状腺肿瘤预后良好，这又不是第一天知道，恶性肿瘤总是恶性肿瘤，延误治疗引起局
部扩散甚至肺部脑部骨转移的还是有的，为什么要在明知有这个风险的情况下仍然等待。
所谓的密切注意，我们建议1cm一下的或者1.5cm超声显示良性可能大的nodule，LZ这个
两次biopsy疑似恶性，已经不在讨论范围之内。你提出密切注意，怎么密切法？每六个
月？多少年？那些超声很多如果不在同一个人手里做，根本没办法互相比较，做的人不
一样测量都不一样，难道等到淋巴结都转移了去手术？然后本来就是一个很简单的甲状
腺全切变成central and lateral neck dissection?越晚手术，涉及创面越大，可能引
起的并发症就越多。
至于你列的文章，第一篇明确说，1cm的nodule没有必要FNA，这也是内分泌guideline
，第二篇，首先那个医生是... 阅读全帖 |
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I****a
发帖数: 407 | 23 This is an exciting trial. Basically for the first time, a well designed
prevention trial demonstrated the reduction of lung cancer related mortality
and all cause mortality. Many trials in the past failed to do this, the
most recent one was PLCO trial using chest x ray as screening method. The
number need to treat to prevent 1 death is between 200-300 which is much
better than mammogram and colonoscopy. I believe those number is around 1000
. Given the success, I believe NCCN ( National Compreh... 阅读全帖 |
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t**x
发帖数: 20965 | 24 下面是我回aning的帖子
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你真是坏了心了，你一点点实际的不说就是扯皮。给你看看cchmc这么写的
“Trichrome stain confirms bridging fibrosis with minute nodule formation
and illustrates patchy pericellular fibrosis; the blue staining is not
intense, but rather lighter, suggestive of a component of collapse.
你知道什么是collapse吗？
"Normal liver structure and function depends on the balance between
hepatocyte death and regeneration. A limited minor hepatocyte injury results
in immediate regeneration of the hepatocytes without significant or
p... 阅读全帖 |
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发帖数: 1 | 25 12月28日，答案 2 （2011）
Filariasis
From Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
Filariasis
Life cycle of Wuchereria bancrofti, a parasite that causes filariasis
Classification and external resources
Specialty Infectious disease
ICD-10 B74
ICD-9-CM 125.0-125.9
Patient UK Filariasis
MeSH D005368
[edit on Wikidata]
Filariasis is a parasitic disease caused by an infection with roundworms of
the Filarioidea type.[1] These are spread by blood-feeding black flies and
mosquitoes. This disease belongs... 阅读全帖 |
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t**x
发帖数: 20965 | 26 你真是坏了心了，你一点点实际的不说就是扯皮。给你看看cchmc这么写的
“Trichrome stain confirms bridging fibrosis with minute nodule formation
and illustrates patchy pericellular fibrosis; the blue staining is not
intense, but rather lighter, suggestive of a component of collapse.
你知道什么是collapse吗？
"Normal liver structure and function depends on the balance between
hepatocyte death and regeneration. A limited minor hepatocyte injury results
in immediate regeneration of the hepatocytes without significant or
prolonged effect ... 阅读全帖 |
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O**J
发帖数: 475 | 28 Try an Otolaryngologist/ear nose throat specialist. Here is what some mouth
-related conditions this specialist treats:
Tonsil problems
Throat cancer
Thyroid gland problems
Salivary gland problems
Chronic laryngitis (type of Laryngitis)
Acute laryngitis (type of Laryngitis)
Taste disease
Throat pain
Swallowing difficulty
Voice problems
Laryngeal nerve palsy
Facial paralysis
Vertigo
Menier's disease
Barotraumas
Allergies
Foreign bodies
Retropharyngeal abscess
Peritonsillar abscess
Hoarseness
Sin... 阅读全帖 |
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j*****n
发帖数: 1545 | 29 你去 wenxuecity 查一下 很多人以前讨论过。 |
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x***n
发帖数: 50 | 32 我的一个朋友有这个毛病，但没有这么大，美国这边的做法是，每九个月测一下甲状腺
素水平，如果正常就不手术。 |
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w*****g
发帖数: 103 | 33 我有个病人，右侧甲状腺肿大4×6cm，针灸10次后，缩小为1.5×3cm.没有服用任何中
西药。
建议看针灸师吧 |
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s********e
发帖数: 136 | 34 Thanks a lot for the information.
The nodule is a sphere with radius around 1cm.
The problem is that CT result ‘边缘欠光整'
Thanks again for your opionion.
margin, |
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f******I
发帖数: 769 | 35
i think the CT result showed pulmonary nodule, not tuberculosis(by the way,
you don't diagnose TB with CT scan), |
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d********y
发帖数: 1141 | 36 我家人,中年,女. 美国这边有没有比较好点的药可以邮寄回去的? 多谢指点一下. 谢谢. |
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f******I
发帖数: 769 | 37
treatment option depends on what is the cause for your hyperthyroidism, for
instance, it could be grave's disease, or toxic thyroid nodule, or
thyroiditis which could be silent and you might not have any pain,
imagine your doctor would put you on propranolol and get some further
testings, like radioactive iodine uptake test, and maybe TSh receptor
antibody, |
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h*********8
发帖数: 235 | 38 Try to drink water more often, and go to ENT to see whether you have nodule
or other similar things on your vocal cords. |
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g***r
发帖数: 285 | 39 needs more details,
first of all, rheumatic fever is diagnosed clinically, it needs 2 major
criteria(polyarthritis, carditis, chorea, subcutaneous nodule, erythema
marginatum), or 1 major criteria plus 2 minor criteria(fever, arthralgia,
elevated ESR/CRP, and prolonger PR interverl on ECG),
second, elevated ASO titer can only prove recent strep A infection, his
titer even being at 300, was not high enough as you normally would have seen
in active rheumatic fever,
third, due to his occupational |
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Y*i
发帖数: 14 | 40 yes, I guess it is the name. After using the nasal spray, the bleeding is
getting better, maybe it is also because the weather is not cold anymore.
However, my throat still not comfortable. and I found a small nodule near
the root of my neck on the right....sigh...so scary. It is not swelling up
yet, i have to touch hard to feel it. but I heard this can be really bad
or nothing. What should i do, if i go to the doctor ,maybe he will think
it is not big enough and ask me to wait and observe? why |
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c********e
发帖数: 496 | 41 The physician is right, for hashimoto's during pregnancy, FT4 and TSH is the
most important parameter to tell whether YOU are OK, while the effect of
the disease on your baby is unpredictable.
50% of thyroid nodule found in the child/baby is malignant, the specificity
of FNA is 80%. Even if it is benign, 10-20% will be transformed into
malignancy in the future, so surgery is indicated.
For the thyroid surgery, it is not an easy one, not that hard either. The
reason is
1. the blood supply is supe |
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c********e
发帖数: 496 | 42 once single pulmonary nodule is found on CXR, first thing is always to
compare with previous CXRs, if any. |
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f****o
发帖数: 2770 | 43 胸腺长了个nodule包包，医生可能给你切掉或者用放射碘杀掉？ |
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l**x
发帖数: 296 | 44 这是说，大概印象是：
1; Slight thyromegaly
甲状腺轻度增大
2: Complex nodule in the superior pole of the left lobe of the thyroid gland
在甲状腺的左上方有一个结构比较复杂的结节。 |
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g*****j
发帖数: 1211 | 45 Thyroid adenoma is a benign tumor. About 5% of thyroid nodule are actually
malignant tumor. The pathology report is key and tells you the type of
tumor you have. If adenoma is what you had, patients do great here in US
without the benefit of 中医调理. |
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发帖数: 496 | 46 if it is clearly a nodule, next step, there are two things that you need to
do.
1. compare with the previous CXR or CT, if there is any.
2. biopsy, video-assisted thoracoscopy (VAT), also known as video-assisted
thoracic surgery may be able to reach the apex. |
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发帖数: 1211 | 47 Yes, lipoma is benign. But most importantly, you should make sure that it
is a lipoma, not something else. A nodule under the skin can be a lot of
different things. |
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发帖数: 189 | 48 Assuming that the original diagnosis is correct, your aunt has a recurrent
mixed tumor of parotid gland. This tumor is notorious for its invasive
growth, and she will most likely need more surgery. You may see gland tissue
, mucus and cartilage in the tumor (hence "mixed") and they grow in nodules.
Though the tumor does not destroy nerves, it may compress or stretch the
facial nerve. It is almost impossible to preserve the facial nerve when the
mixed tumor recurs and needs secondary surgery. It ... 阅读全帖 |
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发帖数: 305 | 49 谢谢你的信息。 我姨还跟我说她最近1个月体重减轻6-7斤，吃饭也没胃口，
不知道怎么回事。我昨天打电话给那个主治医生， 他说他给我姨做手术很成功，并且
说腮腺混合瘤的复发率非常低，我姨手术部位凹陷也属正常凹陷，
嘴角一直动，和眼睛不太舒服也正常， 这些属于脑神经的问题，需要开颅做手术，但
手术费用比较高。另外他说我姨 的腋窝淋巴结前几天重大是心理负担过重引起的。 大
家有没有好的医生帮我推荐下，不胜感激。
tissue
nodules.
the
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发帖数: 280 | 50 mm年检B超显示一侧乳房有纤维瘤. Radiologist said the following on the report:
"well-defined 1cm hypoechoic solid nodule. May represent fibroadenoma. Core
biopsy should be considered",BIRADS4.另外，mm无任何症状，自己也感觉不到lump
，医生检查说mm的乳房比较lumpy,即使B超无发现的那个乳房感觉也很lumpy。
妇科医生让mm去看一general surgeon。请教：
1）是否直接去找个breast cancer的surgeon看比较好？妇科医生推荐的外科医生专做
vascular surgery，是不是不太好？我们这边有个比较好的cancer center,想去找那里
的breast surgeon，而不是妇科医生推荐的外科医生，这样行不行？有何利弊？
2）biopsy是否会insert a microchip？网上看到很多有说会放chip，而且一般术前不
通知病人，有些担心。
3）如果不想做biopsy，有没有其... 阅读全帖 |
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