r****m
发帖数: 1264 | 1 last season, never heard Nomar saying he want to stay. right now considering
the circumstance, it seems a little bit too little too late
Nomar got his chance. at the spring trainning sox offered him 16M 4 years deal
he got a little bit greedy and he wants more. then he got burnt.
not |
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o***n
发帖数: 72 | 2 my view is nomar is definitely gone le. after he said that he had
not been contacted by redsox, john henry instantly reponded the second
day that they offered him a contract in the spring.
if he still wanted him, to a suprestar in his team, he probably would shut up
and pretend knowing nothing.
The other issue is money. how much nomar would accept. if lower than before,
he would become a joke le.
about tejada, all were part of a game. today fight tomorrow they may become
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G******f
发帖数: 16223 | 4 to a one-day minor-league contract so he can retire as a member of the red
sox.....
it's the class of act, but kinda cheesy... good luck to nomar with the ESPN
job. |
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h*****p
发帖数: 2638 | 5 Is Nomar a HOFer?
really like him, but injury-prone killed him.
ESPN |
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g******a
发帖数: 667 | 7 One thing, Tejada still younger than both Jeter and Nomar, and his 6 years are
most likely more uphill, not like Giambi, who can only go downhill.
The other, let's use stats:
2003, Runs Created:
Nomar: 119.0
Tejada: 102.2
Jeter: 84.6
well, it's unfair, because Jeter missed a lot of games. But after
modification, Jeter's RC might be the same as Nomar, that's 120.0.
So basically Jeter and Nomar are just slightly better than Tejada, about 20%
better.
And Jeter's gonna make 19M next year, Nomar like |
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p****a
发帖数: 936 | 8 现在大家都说VERITEK是红袜的灵魂,偶因为不是红袜的饭,没有跟踪他们那么详细.可能IT
真的是有大家看不见的特殊作用.但是,不久以前,记得TED WILLIAMS还活着的时候,大家纷
纷崇尚的红袜的灵魂+代表人物是NOMAR.就象JETER是养鸡的代表一样,总觉得NOMAR在红袜
的地位是不可动摇的.
然后就是红袜上层求变的种种策略.先是要换走满泥,因为种种原因不成功,后来居然搭上
了NOMAR.其实一个AROD真的就比满泥好多少吗?当然想要的人总是觉得值得才会去交易.也
因此弄的满城风雨并且最终失败的交易,满泥和NOMAR有了被叛的感觉.满泥就且不说了,NO
MAR作为外人眼里的红袜的ICON,被这么对待有气也是可以原谅的.IT之前在红袜的可能的
灵魂地位,到这个事件后,也就剩下些酸味了.会不会被TRADE走,好象也是迟早的事情.
后来就开始了进军PLAYOFF的历程.要偶说,后NOMAR时代的红袜,好些人都可以做灵魂来着.
先令就可以算一个,不管红袜棒子强还是弱,不管伤重伤轻,IT始终保持着自己的状态和斗
志.满你虽然言语甚寡,又有当初被WAVIE的不愉快经历,不过,偶真是很P |
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p**s
发帖数: 788 | 9 不会吧。nomar is easier to be replaced than pedro. nomar may be a better
person, but a hitting ss is easier to find than an ace.
trade nomar for pitching.
sign aurilia thru free agency, aurilia should be better than bill mueller,
especially from a pitcher's park to a hitter's park.
manny 真的不值那个合约 |
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R****e
发帖数: 878 | 10 果然是局外人, Nomar从来就没有被称作红袜的heart&soul. he's been called "face of
the franchise" because he is too popular in fans. But he is too humble and
quiet to be a leader. 不愿讲话, 不愿接触媒体. 比赛场上也极少见到他emotional,
即便打个HR也闷头遛回dugout. 不像jeter动不动就pump fist作NB轰轰状, 哪怕只打了个
infield single.
我也高不清楚为甚么veritek现在老被称作heart&soul. 从去年开始的吧.
感觉是媒体的hype. He's definitely not worth 10m/y.
IT
纷
袜
上
了NOMAR.其实一个AROD真的就比满泥好多少吗?当然想要的人总是觉得值得才会去交易.也
因此弄的满城风雨并且最终失败的交易,满泥和NOMAR有了被叛的感觉.满泥就且不说了,NO
的
着.
斗
人
不
颇
的
回
被
还 |
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f****n
发帖数: 4615 | 11 可怜的Nomar还被你拿出来鞭尸。。。 Nomar最后退役之前的时候，跟Red Sox签了一天
的合同。 这样也算是从 Red Sox退役的了 |
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G******f
发帖数: 16223 | 12 哎，就算是现在，bostondirtdogs也老拿nomar开玩笑。。。什么death, tax, nomar's
injury..
t |
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G******f
发帖数: 16223 | 13 he made trouble in locker room and didn't give it all on court. maybe the
Patriots will be better off w/o him, just like the Sox got the WS champ
after trading Nomar in mid season.
year.
The
the
a |
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d*****s
发帖数: 313 | 14 【 以下文字转载自 Baseball 讨论区 】
【 原文由 opsin 所发表 】
Tom Brady
Theo Epstein
Nomar Garciparra
Now No. 3 is gone. |
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r****m
发帖数: 1264 | 15 偶算是个被拖下水的红袜FAN，(之前没有预设立场喜欢谁)
盖因为NESN CABLE缘故，红袜的比赛也看了几年了。
总体对他们比别人熟悉。
点评Boston Red Sox。先讲他们的打击。
Red Sox不缺POWER，先有MO，然后有NOMAR，
再有EVERETT偶露狰嵘(他是不能和这些人并列的)
现在是red hot MANNY RAMIREZ.
Red Sox最大的毛病在one base at a time.
推垒太不aggressive.
他们的盗垒是全盟尾巴，没有耐性，walk次数很低，
跑垒意识也太差
从效率角度看，他们往往三个hits 攻下一分,
别人却知道如何组织进攻，manipulate the run.
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Y*****s
发帖数: 342 | 16 说实在的，红袜今年带给YANK的压力要远大于前几年.况且在NOMAR
CAL EVERETT,配主,VARITEK首发主力受伤的情况下,仍能紧逼不放,
其精神实在让人起敬.
但最近红袜和YANK的差距却在无声无息中一点点拉大,关键原因在
牛棚.尤其是ROD BECK，让我大跌眼睛。去年他的表现可是很抢眼的
。
可今年，尤其是最近，FAST BALL不FAST, BREAKING BALL不BREAK,
一个INNING不让人下一分就难受。Derek Lowe还是不太稳,ARROJO升
成
先发投手到好多了..... |
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g******a
发帖数: 667 | 17 Klesko, Ryan (1B-SD) Giathelitics
Hudson, Tim (SP-Oak) Fire
Abreu, Bobby (RF-Phi) MiniDonkey
Bagwell, Jeff (1B-Hou) Pretty Horses
Alomar, Roberto (2B-NYM) Georgia Jasmines
Rivera, Mariano (RP-NYY) KKK
Maddux, Greg (SP-Atl) Red Stars
Garciaparra, Nomar (SS-Bos) predators
Ordonez, Magglio (RF-CWS) Littlebear
Schilling, Curt (SP-Ari) Emerald
Helton, Todd (1B-Col) BangBang
Ramirez, Manny (DH, LF-Bos) BeijingBomber
Pujols, Albert (3B, 1B, LF, RF-StL) Doug
(actual order is reversed)
Jeff Bagwell is n |
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b****e
发帖数: 985 | 18 偶的战略是hitter优先，外野大棒优先，全面发展优先。
hitter和pitcher比起来，比赛多，consistancy好，也不容易受伤。
内野(不算一垒)除了Arod,chipper,alomar以外，
其他象jeter,nomar,IRod,piazza,
放到外野不过就是二流水准，
外野手能上4个(包括Utility),位置足够，
所以与其选这些大名鼎鼎的infielder,不如挑些数字高的一流外野。
既然定了hitter优先的原则，第一轮ARod就是no-brainer.
后面的都是两个picks连在一起，所以第一个我总是拖到最后几秒才挑，
可以多些时间考虑，结果这个做法造成了惨重损失。
第二轮到了下半段偶本来很高兴，剩下的牛人很多，
结果没想到rivera,alomar,bagwell,abreu连续被挑走，
fire又是毫不犹豫选了hudson,弄的偶时间很紧张。
二，三轮两个pick一个订了shawn green,还有一个正在考虑，
结果时间到了，yahoo直接把偶queue上的最后一名ryan klesko塞给我。
klesko虽然是一垒少有的五毒俱全型，但名气不大 |
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g******a
发帖数: 667 | 19 buckeye 9-0-1 SeaHorse
完全一边倒。尽管SeaHorse走马灯似的变换阵容，不过除了Nomar之外其他球员
毫无贡献。投首方面，buckeye押对了几匹黑马幸运的sweep了SeaHorse。论实力
两方应该没有那么大的差距。只能说SeaHorse运气略欠。
Player of the Game: Mike Cameron(buckeye) .400-1-2 4R 1SB
那个1SB使buckeye本周保持不败。
babyvox 7-2-1 benchwarmer
benchwarmer的内场全面熄火，使得打击上的人数优势打打折扣。Furcal和Vina
的平平表现使得babyvox能够胜出SB。投手方面 babyvox胜得惊险，最后一天
benchwarmer的Garcia和Smoltz双双被打爆，否则benchwarmer在ERA和WHIP上当
有一搏。
Player of the Game: Barry Bonds(babyvox) .538-5-11 9R 1SB
无话可说，五只大兔子。
spartan 8-2 No.8 Crazies
spartan每个 |
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g******a
发帖数: 667 | 20 AL lineup
1. CF Ichiro Suzuki(SEA)
2. SS Alex Rodriguez(TEX)
3. 1B Carlos Delgado(TOR)
4. LF Manny Ramirez(BOS)
5. DH Edgar Martinez(SEA)
6. 3B Troy Glaus(ANA)
7. 2B Alfonso Soriano(NYY)
8. RF Juan Gonzalez(TEX)
9. C Jorge Posada(NYY)
AL rotation
Jamie Moyer(SEA)
Mike Mussina(NYY)
Roy Halladay(TOR)
Estaban Loaiza(CHW)
Kyle Lohse(MIN)
David Wells(NYY)
Barry Zito(OAK)
Nate Cornejo(DET)
AL bench
C A.J. Pierzynski(MIN)
IF Aubrey Huff(TB)
IF Mike Sweeney(KC)
IF Bret Boone(SEA)
IF Nomar Garciaparra(BO |
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g******a
发帖数: 667 | 21 随便举两个例子，Charles Johnson在Coors的数据是.324/.414/.593(BA/OBP/SLG) with
an OPS of 1.007 这个是什么概念？
也就是说，Charles Johnson在Coors是一个比Javy Lopez，Greg Myers，
Jason Varitek，Jorge Posada，Mike Liberthal，A.J. Pierzynski。。。
都要好的打手。
但是他在客场的成绩：.140/.198/.280。。。
再举一个例子，Jose Valentin作为左打时，他的成绩是.268/.357/.536
什么概念？OPS=.893
知道这个成绩在所有的SS中排第几吗？只有A-rod和Nomar比他强。。。
他一共有13个HR，39个RBI，知道他右打的时候的成绩吗？0HR，3RBI。。
这样的例子还很多，ESPN上专门有这种SPLIT的数据提供，有兴趣可以自己去
找找。
另外，一个赛季那么长，难免有球员受伤或者低潮，这时候你板凳上的队员好
不好就体现出来了。
大roster和keeper number对trade的促进作用， |
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f*r
发帖数: 28 | 22 No matter what, to a Yankee diehard fan like me,
Nomar is the icon of Redsox even Boston sports community
that you'll first think of
Watching him leaving is just like watching Andy leaving NY yesterday
Confusion, disappointment, frustration, disbelief, ...feelings after it;
It's so sad to see a dynasty collapsed beyond a point of no return.
No matter what Boss gonna do next, it's just a makeup;
the overall down trend for yankees is unreversable,
not like Redsox...you just feel whatever move reds |
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d*****s
发帖数: 313 | 23 I have to say some agents are not smarter than morons. The market
is pretty clear out there, even for super stars. Not every team is
going to open their checkbook and empty their checking account.
15M/y looks very fair to me. Look, Bonds only got a little bit more
than that, and nobody can be compared to Bonds skillwise.
When talking about agents, I can't help thinking about Soctt Borass.
Last year he kept telling Maddux that he would be able to get a 15M/year
multi-year deal somewhere and rebuf |
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N********n
发帖数: 8363 | 24 I don't put him on the level of Jeter or Nomar. 12M for 6 years is
too much to be reasonable. It seems nowadays signing any position
player a large contract over 4 years is risky. You have to wonder
"what if he tanks in" just like Giambi did in NYY. |
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p**s
发帖数: 788 | 25 they will have A-Rod now. Afterthought thou, for fun lah.
trade (give) away Manny + $5M/yr to Yankees before they signed Sheffield.
trade Fossum+Williams to Rangers for A-Rod+$10M/yr
3-way trade Nomar to Dodgers O.Perez(or whoever) to White Sox M.Ordonez to
Red Sox
rationales
Yankees would take Manny for $15M when they were looking for an outfielder;
Rangers prefer pitchers over position players;
Hicks will pay $67M of A-rod's remaining contract according to reports.
end result
-$20M + $5M of M |
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o***n
发帖数: 72 | 26 0. in the beginning he misjudged his situation, signed a big, long
term contract with redsox. the gm was dan duke, of whom redsox
nation considered it one of accomplishments.
1. at the end of last season, redsox gave him a 15M 4 year contract,
he turned it down because he wanted a jetter/arod's money, say at
least 19M/yr.
2. Then arod event happened. he said he's hurt because he wanted
to play at redsox.
3. since then he's never happy at redsox, never smailed when playing.
4. now it turned out h |
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p**s
发帖数: 788 | 27 我今天看了WSJ，领悟为什么红袜要输.
红袜的offense number 是膨胀过的(因为FENWAY)，老说自己是第一offence. 其实也就最
多前五了。跟阳极的进攻还是差很远的。象MUELLER，NOMAR，DAMON一到客场就哑了，心
理一不平衡就overswing, overanxious.
按WSJ说，很少teams from hitters' park赢WS的。 好像是这么回事。
1997 cleveland, forever cubs. |
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p****a
发帖数: 936 | 28 1.真的是好远!!早上一早6点出门,一路开到大家肚子都饿了,停下来用膳.路上和ZZF同
学就喜欢麦当牢还是喜欢汗包王的早餐开展了激烈的辩论,结果以偶屈服于他的麦当牢
告终.因为路上没有看见汗包王.
2.路上偶们两个养鸡饭和ZZF这个红袜饭坚持不懈地斗争...他说不过的时候总是说:"你
们人多,我不说了"...不过过不久,他就又开始说他们红袜的未来是如何如何有希望...
3.HOF还是很不错的..如果是养鸡饭,偶个人觉得真是值得去啊....因为太多的养鸡的历
史在那里了....有个区叫历史回顾区,把每个10年里面牛的队伍列出来,还附上些真人物
件以供景仰...偶顺着1900往下走,每个队都看的很仔细,然后发现没过个一段时间,就可
以看到养鸡队的人和物,因此很满足.红袜在世纪初的时候还是有点名气的...后来就不
行了:))
4.HOF里面还有个区是每个MLB队伍的区,每个队伍的八卦都在板上写的清清楚楚...奇怪
的是有很多队伍展出的人都已经不在那个队了,拿他们做陈列标兵是不是认可他们是队
里标志的意思?比如PHILLY的标志人物是拖米和阿布,看着怪怪的....还好红袜没有拿
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C******r
发帖数: 282 | 29 第7轮，发现Nomar Garicaparia居然还在，丫不是去年在道奇
焕发第2春了么，为什么没人选而且牙壶排名也超低？是
不是伤了？这时候体现出没做homework的缺点了，硬着头皮
再选一个大棒。
第8轮再次考虑投手，看看有谁还在。乖乖龙顾东，先令，
大件，米西糯这三个几年前top 5的都还available, 真是从来只有
新人笑，没人听到旧人哭啊，挑了个牙壶排名最高的Schilling
做我的SP2，同时pray剩下那两个下一轮还能available.
第9轮，Big Unit和Mussina都没了，我开始陷入不知道选谁的恐
慌。看看roster, 还缺C, SS和RP。Closer我是早决定放弃了，C也
没好的，发现SS里还有姐弟猪的小兄弟死敌猪available, 今年
是猪年，需要讨个口彩。所以拿下。
第10轮，没有任何针对性的看available player, 发现棒子还在，
今年估计丫至少25个往家跑，草稿来专攻长球。
第11，12轮，继续在垃圾堆中挑投手，Brad Penny，Tim Hudson
都是属于名气大不实惠的，俺比较怀旧，给他们一次表现
机会。
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C******r
发帖数: 282 | 30 对我来说，饭大西草稿的最佳奖赏是排lineup,
咱们是18个队的league, talent厚度是MLB的将近两倍，所以
不管草稿成什么样，排出的lineup一定都狠爽。
leadoff: 2B Brain Roberts (S)
2nd: CF Carl Crawford (L)
3rd: 1B Nomar Garciaparia (R)
cleanup: LF Barry Bonds (L)
5th: DH Travis Haffner (S)
6th: RF Gary Sheffeld (R)
7th: 3B Chipper Jones (S)
8th: SS Stephen Drew (S)
9th: C Bengie Molina (R)
板凳: Shannon Stewart, Jacque Jones
本阵容没有真正的CF，外场防守比较筛子。
SP: Rich Harden (R)
Curt Schilling (R)
Tim Hudson (R)
Brad P |
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e****x
发帖数: 77 | 31 Among current/former Sox stars, Nomar and Roger are (almost) confirmed
steriods users. |
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a*****i
发帖数: 4391 | 32 I can understand roger, but nomar too?
where did you get that information from? he is still pretty skinny bah?
(compared to other "fats") |
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e****x
发帖数: 77 | 33 There was a recent article that outted two athletes, based on one of the
investigations. One was the Rock, the other was a famous athlete formerly
based in MA. It has to be Nomar, based on his injury history. He was not
huge but he was totally ripped. |
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e****x
发帖数: 77 | 34 tek is a doper. so is nomar.
be
in
the |
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i*********r
发帖数: 5101 | 35 if tek in it, it would be big blow, but makes public believe more so...nomar
? does not matter, he is not in
sox now..
I actually rather believe mitchill has no bias in digging out this list...
but this always how things play out in
america...just like Bonds' case, race will be always a important factor to
play on |
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e****x
发帖数: 77 | 36 I bet 99% of catchers take steroids. No surprise here. Tek is just an
above average player, not a star
nomar |
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n*******e
发帖数: 2213 | 37 Brady Anderson, Manny Alexander, Rick Ankiel, Jeff Bagwell, Barry Bonds,
Aaron Boone, Rafaeil Bettancourt, Bret Boone, Milton Bradley, David Bell,
Dante Bichette, Albert Belle, Paul Byrd, Wil Cordero, Ken Caminiti, Mike
Cameron, Ramon Castro, Jose and Ozz ie Canseco, Roger Clemens, Paxton
Crawford, Wilson Delgado, Lenny Dykstra, Johnny Damon, Carl Everett, Kyle
Farnsoworth, Ryan Franklin, Troy Glaus, Rich Garces, Jason Grimsley, Troy
Glaus, Juan Gonzalez, Eric Gagne, Nomar Garciaparra, Jason Gia |
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v*x
发帖数: 4785 | 38 就是一摊口水 提供offseason娱乐效果21
而被抢新闻地rumor list烧到地johnny damon火勒
Forty-one of the players named by WNBC were not mentioned in the Mitchell re
port, including big-name stars like Albert Pujols, Jason Varitek, Nomar Garc
iaparra, Mets catcher Ramon Castro and Yankees slugger Johnny Damon
http://www.nypost.com/seven/12142007/sports/it_sucks__damon_furious_at_being
_named_o_848324.htm |
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B*****t
发帖数: 3012 | 39 angel berroa都被他們翻出來用了，看來真是不行了。。。
Nomar還能回去打SS嗎？雖然他打擊也不咋地。。。 |
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m*******e
发帖数: 1280 | 40 Nomar would take at least 3 mins longer in his preparation :)
Hillarious stuff, check it out! |
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t********t
发帖数: 5415 | 41 呵呵...难得赚这么一笔。想想当年orlando和nomar... |
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n*******e
发帖数: 2213 | 42 你们波士顿的媒体这么些年都是怎么妖魔化曼尼的？sometimes, it is too much to t
ake.
当年Nomar走的时候，波士顿的媒体，和红袜不也是这个德行。呵呵 |
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A**d
发帖数: 13310 | 44 这帮老同志是不是从来都不做家庭作业啊，而且前边几个人都把答案给他看了，
他也不会抄 |
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B*****t
发帖数: 3012 | 47 731 trade for big name，其实成功的机率不高。红袜基本上也没多少成功的例子。
04年Epstein倒是把Nomar给trade走了。 |
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p**s
发帖数: 788 | 48 To me, Danquett is a better baseball mind. Unfortunately his people skill is
SOOOO poor that he got run out of town.
Also the John Henry group are much better owners. Theo is lucky.
只想了九个moves, 欢迎补充。
TOP 9 MOVES BY Dan Duquett (8 yrs as Red Sox GM)
1. traded for Pedro
2. traded for Varitek and Lowe
3. locked in Nomar for long term
4. signed Manny for 8 years
5. let go Clemens (Duquett was right!)
6. traded for Wakefield
7. signed Damon
8. drafted Hanley Ramirez
9. draf |
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发帖数: 13310 | 50 Some Cards fans made up this list. Somebody innocent were
put there in place of Pujols, Rolen and Edmonds.
1.Nomar Garciaparra
2.Manny Ramirez
3.Johnny Damon
4.Trot Nixon
5.David Ortiz
6.Shea Hillenbrand
7.Derek Lowe
8.Pedro Martinez
9.Brian Roberts
10.Jay Gibbons
11.Melvin Mora
12.Jerry Hairston
13.Jason Giambi
14.Alfonso Soriano
15.Raul Mondesi
16. Aaron Boone
17.Andy Pettitte
18.Jose Contreras
19.Roger Clemens
20.Carlos Delgado
21.Vernon Wells
22.Frank Catalanotto
23.Kenny Rogers
24.Magglio O |
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