k*******n
发帖数: 5546 | 1 对这个话题比较感兴趣，请懂行的前辈们指导一下，我印象中：
花费：
比较好的AR Stainless Steel枪管比non-SS枪管要贵。
而栓动猎枪的不锈钢和非不锈钢的整枪价钱好像差不多。
枪管寿命：
听说SS的寿命要比non-SS的短，但这个无关紧要，打得少的不用担心，打得多的人家换
根管子也不心疼。猎枪用不锈钢的枪管是不是防锈会更好一些？
重量：
AR相似profile的SS枪管要比non-SS稍微重一点，以我实际握两种枪的体会，并不是非
常明显，前提是相似的profile.栓动猎枪的网站上公布的数据，这两种枪管的枪，重量
一般都相同。
精度：
AR界都说SS的精度好，一些SPR/Recon也是用SS的枪管。看过AR15.com著名的Molon的比
较，同样的弹药，配置和长度，Noveske的SS(Pac Nor blanks)比Noveske的CHF Barrel
(FN),精度大约好0.3MOA左右。
栓动猎枪不知有没有精度的比较，当然我知道很多CHF枪管的猎枪，如Steyr，准度也非常
之高。
只是开个头，希望大佬们给系统地分析解答一下，让我长点知识和见识。 |
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l******e
发帖数: 956 | 2 我现在觉得有个大阴谋。Keith Ratliff, John Noveske, 两个拥枪派。Aaron Swartz,
支持Free Internet。全都死于非命。本质上他们全是反对政府干涉的。估计被列为
enemy of states.
前两天看了“Red”,政府如果搞暗杀真是没人能够查清。
Keith Ratliff and John Noveske: The Death of Two Second Amendment Advocates
Is a Mystery
http://news.gather.com/viewArticle.action?articleId=28147498183 |
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发帖数: 4534 | 3 Noveske不错, 男女通用，顺便还能纪念一下英年早逝的John Noveske同志。
PS: 贱名好养的话，应该叫cheaperthandirt |
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s****r
发帖数: 31686 | 4 窝，严重安慰下！ 人没事就好！
是不是被盯上了？
门被撬开了。两把noveske给偷了，没有放在保险柜里。一把是noveske recon 16"
TRX extreme Tory folding sights W........ |
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s****r
发帖数: 31686 | 5 窝，严重安慰下！ 人没事就好！
是不是被盯上了？
门被撬开了。两把noveske给偷了，没有放在保险柜里。一把是noveske recon 16"
TRX extreme Tory folding sights W........ |
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w*********o
发帖数: 830 | 6 知足吧，3年前我的一把PSL大狙和猎枪都被偷了，至今警察也没找到
门被撬开了。两把noveske给偷了，没有放在保险柜里。一把是noveske recon 16"
TRX extreme Tory folding sights W........ |
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发帖数: 2253 | 7 祝福！
门被撬开了。两把noveske给偷了，没有放在保险柜里。一把是noveske recon 16"
TRX extreme Tory folding sights W........ |
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S**********s
发帖数: 4534 | 8 Forget bushmaster, they're not even on the same level.
1500-2000 you have a lot of choices. A noveske NSR 16" recon upper can be
had for $1250-1300, and you have a lot of rooms for a good lower and trigger
group. Noveske + mega arms stripped lower + discounted geiselle lower part
kit from PSA (if they still offer them) = $1600, and you got a slick,
lightweight, sub moa capable and easy to shoot carbine.
You can spend the rest of the budget on good irons and other accessories, or
add them to your... 阅读全帖 |
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f*u
发帖数: 5576 | 9 时不我待,你就propose用省下一半的经费进
Arsenal Bulgaria AK47 or
LaRue/Noveske AR15
+4k ammo |
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D******r
发帖数: 491 | 11 Will AR be banned too? If not, we can get an ak first and save for AR.
Any suggestion for a complete rifle for AR? I am looking at colt 6920LE or
Noveske N4 |
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c**d
发帖数: 3888 | 12 You're a rich bastard....
Both Colt and Noveske ARs are very nice if you can afford them |
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c**d
发帖数: 3888 | 13 I'd like to chronicle the building of my California-legal AR-15 here with updated photos. Hope you guys will share and enjoy the experience through these pictures.
This is not meant to be a step-by-step instruction. You can find plenty of those on the internet.
The parts:
Lower:
* Stripped lower: Noveske (currently in 10-day wait)
* Lower parts kit (LPK) by G&R Tactical
* Buttstock by Magpul
* Buffer tube, buffer spring and buffer by RRA
* California-compliance bullet-button kit
* 10-round ma |
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p****n
发帖数: 225 | 14 $1160? 这么贵,还是你挑的都是好的PARTS？ 这样，还不如在枪展和COLDWARSHOOTER买
一个现成的。好像还有导轨。
今天我也去枪店看了好像Noveske 的Stripped lower是比较贵。 |
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c**d
发帖数: 3888 | 15 1.) Lower total: $490
* Noveske stripped - $260, local store
* G&R Lower parts kit - $100, G&R
* Magpul commercial-spec buttstock kit - $70 after Microsoft Live rebate,
ebay
* Completer kit (buffer tube, buffer spring and buffer) - $50, CWS
* Generic Pistol grip - $10, local store
2.) Upper total $620
* BCM upper receiver group, mid-length, 16" - $450, GTS
* LMT bolt carrier group, full auto - $130 @ G&R
* Generic charging handle - $20, GTS
* RRA Handguard - $20, RRA
3.)2 10-round magazines |
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D******r
发帖数: 491 | 16 Why Noveske lower is so expensive? Some complete lower is only around 220-
250.
Does the stripped lower matters? I heard they are all the same? |
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c**d
发帖数: 3888 | 17 Yes, in my opinion the brand of the stripped logo is completely irrelevant
for 95% of the brands out there. I just like the Noveske name and logo on
my gun, and was willing to pay a premium for that.
only
much |
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D******r
发帖数: 491 | 18 I posted it in another thread, but it's buried at the very last position.
Lots people are buying AR recently, so hopefully this info can save you some
money.
Here is the original link:http://sigforum.com/eve/forums/a/tpc/f/630601935/m/4581079231?r=4581079231#4581079231
full list:
Lewis Machine & Tool:
LMT
Lauer
DS Arms
PWA
Eagle
Armalite
Knights Armament
Barrett
Continental Machine Tool:
Stag
Rock River Arms
High Standard
Noveske
Century (New)
Global Tactical
CLE
S&W
MGI
Wilson Tactical
Grenadi |
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c**d
发帖数: 3888 | 19 So glad I built my AR right before the election. I bought the Noveske N4 lower for $220. It's selling at $299 at coldwarshooters now
EDIT: and it's sold out |
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b**********y
发帖数: 7371 | 20 So, for Upper Receiver Assembly, BCG and Barrel, I have narrowed my choices
to (in the order of preference):
LMT
CMMG
DTI
RRA
Noveske and Colt are out of reach for my budget.
Do they look/sound reasonable? |
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w*********p
发帖数: 7230 | 21 这个月打算下个单，选择如下，比较倾向于scar
1. FN SCAR,gb上价钱已经基本到msrp了，2500－2700，没找到什么太多的review，要
买也是看着socom的名字去了，靶场应该能吸引一些眼球，不过全polymer的lower我总
觉得不爽
2. Barrett REC7，没了解
3.LWRC M6A2，n多人说lwrc比scar好，支持马里兰国产名牌？
4.Noveske,不知道什么时候有货 |
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w*********p
发帖数: 7230 | 22 BUY ONE RIFLE OR ONE UPPER AND GET COSMETIC SECOND LOWER FOR FREE.
Anyone wants to take that lower in MD? I just want an upper. |
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w*********p
发帖数: 7230 | 24 no, not expensive. i think $150 for cosmetic second lower |
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b**********y
发帖数: 7371 | 29 AR15 的UPPER 和你的SCAR，SIG556 下机匣都不匹配吧，准备整个什么LOWER? |
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w*********p
发帖数: 7230 | 31 那个是cosmetic second的
我要完美的 |
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b**********y
发帖数: 7371 | 32 MAN, 看上去基本没区别，俺反正没看出来
再者，枪总是要磕磕碰碰擦擦的，免不了的 |
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h*******m
发帖数: 253 | 35 如果我没记错的话，$650足够篡一支AR-15，如果你不要任何名牌的话，我曾经自己篡
了一支：
Rock Rive lower, and lower kit.
Larue 12.5 free float handguard.
ACE stock.
NM trigger.
Rock river upper
Noveske mid weight barrel.
差不多一共花了进$1850。可是kinght's armament SR15E3只要$2275.99而且它非常保
值。
自己篡毕竟很有成就感，而我觉得如果只是为了有一支AR的话，大可不必自己动手。买
整枪更为合适，而且会相对比较划
算。 |
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b**********y
发帖数: 7371 | 36 翻了翻俺的记录，AR-15的lower升级是要这个价：
Noveske正品lower - >200
一体化2-stage枪机 - 300
好点儿的枪托 - 300
还有其它零七八碎的 |
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w*********p
发帖数: 7230 | 37 noveske lower 185
geissele ssa 170/national match 279
magpul stock 250
magpul grip 40
其他乱七八糟还有运费
725－850吧 |
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w*********p
发帖数: 7230 | 38 介么贵，没几个人要团购吧，反正我不购，明年看看再说吧，先把NOVESKE攒好再说 |
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w*********p
发帖数: 7230 | 39 noveske lower
magpul ubr
geissele ssa
hello kitty |
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H****r
发帖数: 16240 | 40 来自主题: GunsAndGears版 - 火焰烧蚀 现在终于知道为什么保加利亚短管AK上的HOBO膛口装置里面那个锥要用不锈钢了。
我这打了肯定还不到1k发，绝对都是非腐蚀铜壳弹；每次都擦，包括擦这个锥……
听说Noveske的喷火猪也会出现烧蚀？
总之，看这样子也不是腐蚀性底火那种锈出来的模样，就是膛口装置内压力大烧蚀。不
过反正膛线、膛口都没问题。md，我等着看到底多少发能把这个锥烧掉。 |
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w*********p
发帖数: 7230 | 41 来自主题: GunsAndGears版 - 枪展真无聊 摸摸看看，连个noveske的upper都没看到，拎了个hk的ar弹夹，质量真的很好，就是太
贵了，早知道多拎几个了 |
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w*********p
发帖数: 7230 | 42 你用我的NOVESKE,不是和赵本山开法拉利一样
下。 |
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q**u
发帖数: 12289 | 43 自己攒吧，这个价钱可以搞noveske lower，bcm upper，match trigger，FA
bcg，不错的magpul家具，freefloat rails了。 |
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j***n
发帖数: 3786 | 44 KAC SR-15E3
LMT
Noveske N4 |
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j***n
发帖数: 3786 | 45 全美国自己做全枪的不多，多数都是买零件攒的。DD就是买零件攒的，而且还攒的不好。
1k品牌机推荐你STAG或者COLT
2k品牌机推荐你KAC SR-15E3或者LMT
如果玩兼容机的话，我个人比较喜欢Noveske的upper，因为枪管做得很好，再去找个
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f*********n
发帖数: 11154 | 46 ☆─────────────────────────────────────☆
czjd (辽宁面团) 于 (Thu Oct 16 03:07:55 2008) 提到:
I'd like to chronicle the building of my California-legal AR-15 here with updated photos. Hope you guys will share and enjoy the experience through these pictures.
This is not meant to be a step-by-step instruction. You can find plenty of those on the internet.
The parts:
Lower:
* Stripped lower: Noveske (currently in 10-day wait)
* Lower parts kit (LPK) by G&R Tactical
* Buttstock by Magpul
* Buffer tub |
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w*********p
发帖数: 7230 | 47 今天玩具到了，noveske 14.5" pinned > 16" basic upper，换了magpul的handguard和stock
，geissele trigger，又弄了个hk弹夹，
问个问题，sbr那个手续是跟枪的么？如果有多个lower，多个upper，其中有短管，是
要把所有的lower都register成sbr还是怎么的？ |
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w*********p
发帖数: 7230 | 48 今天玩具到了，noveske 14.5" pinned > 16" basic upper，换了magpul的handguard和stock
，geissele trigger，又弄了个hk弹夹，
问个问题，sbr那个手续是跟枪的么？如果有多个lower，多个upper，其中有短管，是
要把所有的lower都register成sbr还是怎么的？ |
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f**s
发帖数: 2225 | 49 差西了，松鸡同学都是玩好东西
noveske geissele ssa magpul ubr |
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