g******a
发帖数: 667 | 1 false start: 进攻方任何佯装启球开始的行为。
encroachment: 防守方进入中立区并触及进攻方球员的行为。
offside：进攻方启球时防守方球员进入中立区的行为。
offside还有一种意思：开球时球踢出前踢球方球员越过本方踢球限制线的行为。
encroachment和offside的第一种意思区别就是一个是启球开始前，一个是启球时。
不过许多解说员，甚至裁判员都经常混用。作为球迷也就不要分那么清楚了。 |
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l*****8
发帖数: 16949 | 2 从进攻方这儿出去的。估计裁判也数不清人了，判offside总是没错。而且offside和12
men都是5码，所以无所谓。 |
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s*****o
发帖数: 22187 | 3 3rd and goal的offside，和3rd and short的offside判罚不一样吗？3rd and short应
该是5码然后1st down? |
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b****e
发帖数: 1275 | 4 googled it.. here is the result
Encroachment is when a defensive player lines up in the neutral zone or gets
caught in the neutral zone at the snap.
Offside is when 1) a defensive player is accross the line of scrimmage at the
snap or 2) when an offensive player lines up acros the line of scrimmage.
False start is when an offensive player makes an illegal movement before the
snap of the ball. |
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m**e
发帖数: 79 | 5 my understanding is:
when defensive player makes contact with offensive player before the ball is
snapped, it's encroachment. the play is blown dead immediately (actually no
play at all since it happens before snap).
when defensive players line up in neutral zone or cross LOS when the ball is
snapped (no contact with offensive players), it's offside, refs blow whistle
until the play is dead. Then offense can choose accept or decline based on the
play result. |
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k***r
发帖数: 13724 | 6 刚才的回放看好像不是那种常见的jump offside， 是静态时就越线了。 |
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n*******e
发帖数: 3141 | 7 昨天哪场比赛忘记了，好像是拍子，进攻到对方5yard内，3rd down时防守offside了，
可是没给1st down，还是3rd。怎么回事？ |
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b**l
发帖数: 33123 | 8 offside没有automatic first down
runner, |
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s*****o
发帖数: 22187 | 9 一般4 and short不是会假装go for it，骗offside，如果没骗到就罚5码再胖，如果骗
到了就是1st down。这个为啥不是1st down？我又球盲了。。。 |
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b*****u
发帖数: 1978 | 10 版上有位牛人(名字我就不提了)，前两天私下里专门提到，
海鸟的DL特别是 Bennett ，常常喜欢在启动时占点小便宜，
比如开球前把手放在稍微过线的位置，或者 jump the snap，
并说拍子可以利用来引诱他offside。 |
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A**d
发帖数: 13310 | 11 这连我都知道。上一场打绿湾开场诸多不顺也是从他开始，绿湾本来标准的3 and out
，结果丫一个offside把3 and 6变成3 and 1，接下来就一泻千里。 |
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R******n
发帖数: 522 | 12 咱八盖球迷能不能别这样。。。。。这offside是莫须有，但这safety难道不是明明白
白。。。。。。 |
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l******c
发帖数: 2555 | 14 just watched www.fifa.com,
clearly offside |
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d********f
发帖数: 43471 | 17 这要是offside,宇宙队一年要少进好几十球啊 |
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M****s
发帖数: 693 | 18 第一脚射门的时候越位了，但裁判可能是当做绿队回传失误了，那就不是OFFSIDE |
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发帖数: 1 | 19 12月 谈谈间谍问题
我一直感觉Reuters 有日本的间谍，他们会通过报道来传递针对华人屠杀的计划，和发
布不利于华人的报道，制造舆论。最重要他们后边的势力和犯罪集团有关。有必要好好
调查这个组织。
How top U.S. colleges hooked up with controversial Chinese companies
By Steve Stecklow and Alexandra Harney
Filed Dec. 2, 2016, noon GMT
New Oriental, China’s biggest private educator, has been accused of
academic fraud. Thanks to two enterprising Americans, it has also gained
access to leading U.S. college admissions officers.
SHANGHAI/SHELTER ISLAND, New York - Thomas Benson once ran a small... 阅读全帖 |
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x**w
发帖数: 7947 | 20 贝肯鸨儿对现行越位制度的吐槽部分：
Franz Beckenbauer, head of the FIFA Task Force Football 2014, believes there
should be "a clear, understandable rule" about when players are actively or
passively offside.
On the offside law, a statement read: "The group discussed the
interpretation of Law 11 regarding active and passive offside.
"The chairman asked the task force members to come up with suggestions for a
clear, understandable rule by the time of the group's next meeting."
Beckenbauer added: "In my time it was ... 阅读全帖 |
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c*****r
发帖数: 8227 | 21 ----------------
Offside Position
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It is not an offence in itself to be in an offside position.
A player is in an offside position if:
• he is nearer to his opponents’ goal line than both the ball and the
second-last opponent
A player is not in an offside position if:
• he is in his own half of the field of play or
• he is level with the second-last opponent or
• he is level with the last two opponents
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Offence
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A player in an offside positio... 阅读全帖 |
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b*****u
发帖数: 1978 | 22 大蓝这么一讲就很清楚了。我理解的判决原则基本上是这样：
先看进攻犯规，进攻方的 pre-snap 犯规
或者 moment-of-snap 犯规(我自创的一个词)，
处理上是不同的：
O1：pre-snap 犯规，如 false start &delay of game，
那么立刻吹停，算no play。
既然是 no play，防守方当然不会 decline。
O2：moment-of-snap 犯规，如illegal shift, illegal formation等等，
可以立刻吹停，算no play。
也可以让此后进攻继续发展(扔旗但不吹哨)，结束之后，防守方根据情况，
可以 accept，算 no play；
也可以 decline，算一个 play；
总之相当于防守方的 free play。
再看防守方的 offside 犯规，
不涉及那种“越线又回来，改邪归正”的情况(这不算犯规)，
只涉及确确实实的 offside 犯规(比如对方有了反应动作)，
这种在处理上也会考虑是否发生于进攻方“几乎就要”snap：
D1：如果进攻方不是“几乎就要”snap，
那么立刻吹停，算no... 阅读全帖 |
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p****s
发帖数: 32405 | 23 好好好, 还是逐字翻译吧.
Law 11 Offside
第11章 越位
Offside Position
越位位置的判定
It is not an offence in itself to be in an offside position.
首先, 球员处于越位位置并不代表他触发了越位犯规
A player is in an offside position if:
he is nearer to his opponents’ goal line than both the ball and the
second-last opponent
一个队员在以下情况处于越位位置:
他比以下两个目标都更靠近对方的门线:
1)球
2)对方倒数第二个队员
A player is not in an offside position if:
he is in his own half of the field of play or
he is level with the second-last opponent or
he is level with the last two opponent |
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t**o
发帖数: 1263 | 24 看一下如下的FIFA law。不明白为什么对这个越位会有疑问。
Offside position
It is not an offence in itself to be in an offside position.
A player is in an offside position if:
• he is nearer to his opponents’ goal line than both the ball and the
second-last opponent
A player is not in an offside position if:
• he is in his own half of the field of play or
• he is level with the second-last opponent or
• he is level with the last two opponents
Offence
A player in an offside position is only penalise |
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d*********2
发帖数: 48111 | 25 Offside position
It is not an offence in itself to be in an offside position.
A player is in an offside position if:
• he is nearer to his opponents’ goal line than both the ball and the
second-last opponent
A player is not in an offside position if:
• he is in his own half of the fi eld of play or
• he is level with the second-last opponent or
• he is level with the last two opponents
Offence
A player in an offside position is only penalised if, at the moment the ball
to... 阅读全帖 |
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s****r
发帖数: 5546 | 26 First, neither Juve nor sports writers complained about
that goal being "offside" right after the game. Several
years after the game, some Chinese Juve fans started BS
about "offside". There was never a conclusive video clip
about it being offside or not, because obviously there
was a Juve player outside the screen on Juve's left side,
no video captured where he was when the ball was passed.
Search online with the game and "offside" as a keyword to
see what results you'll get.
As a side fact, in... 阅读全帖 |
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S****o
发帖数: 503 | 27 越位的规则在这儿：
Offence
A player in an offside position is only penalised if, at the moment the ball
touches or is played by one of his team, he is, in the opinion of the
referee,
involved in active play by:
• interfering with play or
• interfering with an opponent or
• gaining an advantage by being in that position
司法解释在这儿：
Definitions
In the context of Law 11 – Offside, the following definitions apply:
• “nearer to his opponents’ goal line” means that any part of a
player’s h... 阅读全帖 |
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S****o
发帖数: 503 | 28 这跟你跑回多远没有任何关系。因为你一直处于“offside”的状态，“offside”的状
态是队友触球时决定的，你自己是不能回到“onside”的。
什么时候可变成“onside”状态？USSF的Advice to Referee中是这么说的：
11.7 Becoming Onside
The status of being in an onside or an offside position is determined at the
moment the ball is last touched/played by a teammate and continues until
one of the following events occurs:
• a teammate again touches or plays the ball,
• a defender plays (possesses and controls, not simply deflects) the
ball, or
• the ball goes out of play... 阅读全帖 |
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c**l
发帖数: 23 | 29 偶找了一个贼正确的，是2002FIFA官方网站上的laws of the game里讲越位的：
Offside Position
It is not an offence in itself to be in an
offside position.
A player is in an offside position if:
he is nearer to his opponents’ goal line than
both the ball and the second last opponent
A player is not in an offside position if:
he is in his own half of the field of play
or
he is level with the second last opponent
or
he is level with the last two opponents
Offence
A player in an offside position is only
penalised if |
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G**Y
发帖数: 33224 | 30 google了一下啊，这说法靠谱吗？
Offsides - When a defensive player is lined up on the offenseive side of the
ball, but doesn't cause an offensive player to move, and the offens snaps
the ball it's a five yard penalty with a free play. Free play meaning that
the QB can just chuck the ball up and see what happens and if it's turned
over, it doesn't matter because the offense would just take the 5 yard
penalty.
Neutral zone infraction - Is when a defensive player jumps offsides but
causes an offensive player, m... 阅读全帖 |
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s*****h
发帖数: 44903 | 31 ☆─────────────────────────────────────☆
baal (白日梦) 于 (Tue Jan 26 14:03:58 2016, 美东) 提到:
Play是谁叫的？小鸡更可能是曼小鸡吧？Oline coach应该只是管训练吧，技术层面的
东西。拍子的Oline在某些组合下是不错的，说明训练水平是有的。那现在把Oline
coach开掉是不是不太合理？
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beattie (永恒的猪肉卷) 于 (Tue Jan 26 14:05:23 2016, 美东) 提到:
总不能开买单牛吧
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pangpangzeng (胖胖) 于 (Tue Jan 26 14:09:06 2016, 美东) 提到:
球员也有责任吧。RT一直待若木鸡。
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FCFD (风车) 于 (Tue Jan 26 14:11:31... 阅读全帖 |
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T******g
发帖数: 21328 | 32 Offside offence
A player in an offside position at the moment the ball is touched or
played by a team-mate is only committing an offside offence if, in the
opinion of the referee, he becomes actively involved in play by
Interfering with play:
Playing or touching the ball
Interfering with an opponent:
Preventing the opponent from playing the ball by obstructing the
player's sight or intentionally distracting the opponent
Gaining an advantage by being in an offside position:
Playing the ball after |
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c***s
发帖数: 4895 | 33 受不了了，先摘录一段自 Laws of the Game 2010/2011
http://www.fifa.com/mm/document/affederation/generic/81/42/36/lawsofthegame%5f2010%5f11%5fe.pdf
Offside position
It is not an offence in itself to be in an offside position.
A player is in an offside position if:
• he is nearer to his opponents’ goal line than both the ball and the
second-last opponent
A player is not in an offside position if:
• he is in his own half of the field of play or
• he is level with the second-last opponent or
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U*L
发帖数: 1449 | 34
No... he is not offside as long as he does not benefit from his position
from the directly impact of the pass.
One example, if someone shoot the ball, the guy who is in the offside
position but not in the route of the ball is not offside; but he is if the
ball is blocked by the goalkeeper directly to him since he benefits directly
from the the position.
In this case, when the other guy caught the ball, the offside scenario is
reset |
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z**********3
发帖数: 11979 | 35 Offside offence
A player in an offside position at the moment the ball is touched or played
by a team-mate is only committing an offside offence if, in the opinion of
the referee, he becomes actively involved in play by:
Interfering with play
Playing or touching the ball
Interfering with an opponent
Preventing the opponent from playing the ball by obstructing the player's
sight or intentionally distracting the opponent
Gaining an advantage by being in an offside position
Playing the ball after t... 阅读全帖 |
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d****r
发帖数: 2912 | 36 http://www.guardian.co.uk/sport/2008/mar/23/football.comment3
"To be clear, the definition, in the laws, is this: in deciding whether to
flag, assistants must watch out for three things, any one of which would
make an offside player active.
First, is the offside player interfering with play? As advised by the IFAB
since 2005, that means playing or touching the ball. Attempting to play the
ball does not count - he must actually play or touch it.
Second, is the player interfering with an opponent'... 阅读全帖 |
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t********r
发帖数: 492 | 37 伪球迷出题考自己.
behind the ball is not in an offside position
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Offside_(association_football)
A player is in an offside position if three conditions are met: first, the
player must be in the opposing team's half of the field. Second, the player
must be in front of the ball. And third, there must be fewer than two
opposing players between him and the opposing goal line, with the goalkeeper
counting as an opposing player for these purposes. It is not necessary that
the goalke... 阅读全帖 |
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m*****y
发帖数: 2424 | 38 看来你们都得学习一下越位规则了：
A player in an offside position at the moment the ball is touched or played
by a team-mate is only committing an offside offence if, in the opinion of
the referee, he becomes actively involved in play by
Interfering with play
Playing or touching the ball
Interfering with an opponent
Preventing the opponent from playing the ball by obstructing the player'
s sight or intentionally distracting the opponent
Gaining an advantage by being in an offside position
Playing the |
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B*****e
发帖数: 9375 | 39
发信人: BigBlue (#15), 信区: Football
标 题: Re: 4th down and 1, false start犯规，能重来4th down吗？
发信站: BBS 未名空间站 (Wed Dec 5 00:30:45 2007)
补充几句. 防守的"offside"也有两种:
(1) Offside, 如果开球前守方冲过中立区了(中立区就是球本身), 没有碰人:
如果他在攻方没有开球前缩回去了, 进攻线上的人也没有动, 就什么事也没有, 比赛继
续;
如果进攻线上的人在他缩回去前动了, 这个play就马上停止了,
是守方的错, 罚五码,
叫"neutral zone infraction";
如果他还没能缩回去就开球了, 就是真正的"offside",
比赛继续, 是攻方的"Free Play"了,
大可扔个四五十码, 如果不成功再回来要那五码的penalty.
所以很多OL-line coaches都告诉Centers看见对方有人过来了, 就马上开球.
(2) 如果守方冲过中立区碰着人了, 这个play也马上就停止了, 罚守方五码.
叫"encroac... 阅读全帖 |
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t***r
发帖数: 47 | 40 裁判认为这个不是 fumble.
裁判认为这个也不算fumble.
.还不是
.裁判认为倒地在先, 不是fumble
.不是,不是,不是...
.
裁判认为Gators kicking team offside. 所以Gators 抢回球后的TD无效.
kick off 触球瞬间电视snapshot, 并没有人offside.
btw, kickoff offside是NCAA FB最罕见的判罚之一.
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c******7
发帖数: 1177 | 41 English Version:
A player is in an offside position if he is in his opponents' half of the
field and is closer to his opponents' goal line than both the ball and all
but zero or one of his opponents. Put another way, an offside position has
three components, all of which must be satisfied for the player to be in the
offside position: First, the player must be on the opposing team's half of
the field. Second, the player must be in front of the ball. And third, there
must be fewer than two opposin |
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c******a
发帖数: 10623 | 42 和和，别人发给我的，有点惊讶. 反正跟我原来想象的不同。
也不知道是什么时候改的。
http://www.fifa.com/mm/document/affederation/generic/81/42/36/l
2010_11_e.pdf
P103：
3,An attacker in an offside position (A) runs towards the ball and a team-
mate
in an onside position (B) also runs towards the ball and plays it.
(A) cannot be penalised because he did not touch the ball.
意思就是越位位置的队员只要没有碰球（TOUCH），就不吹越位。除非没有其他人
（没有在越位位置）来追。
4,A player in an offside position (A) may be penalised before playing or
touching the ball, if, in the opinion of th... 阅读全帖 |
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b********n
发帖数: 5997 | 43 fifa rules:
A player is not offside in case of the following cases:
If the player is in his own half of the ground then he cannot be
declared offside.
If the player doesn't get past the second last opponent, usually the
goalie (when goalie is outside the goalpost) then he is safe.
If a player receives the ball directly from the throw-in, corner kick or
goal kick he cannot be considered offside. |
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E*****T
发帖数: 1193 | 44 A player in an offside position at the moment the ball is touched or played
by a team-mate is only committing an offside offence if, in the opinion of
the referee, he becomes actively involved in play by:
1. Interfering with play
Playing or touching the ball
2. Interfering with an opponent
Preventing the opponent from playing the ball by obstructing the player'
s sight or intentionally distracting the opponent
3. Gaining an advantage by being in an offside position
Playing the ball a... 阅读全帖 |
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w********9
发帖数: 8613 | 45 http://www.fifa.com/mm/document/affederation/administration/02/
that rebounds or is
deflected to him off the
goal post, crossbar or an
opponent having been in
an offside position
11) that rebounds, is deflected
or is played to him from a
deliberate save by an
opponent having been in
an offside position
A player in an offside position receiving
the ball from an opponent, who
deliberately plays the ball (except from
a deli berate save), is not considered to
have gained an advantage. |
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l*****l
发帖数: 5909 | 46 查了一下，这么写的。
“gaining an advantage by being in that position” means playing a ball
i. that rebounds or is deflected to him off the goalpost, crossbar or an
opponent having been in an offside position
ii. that rebounds, is deflected or is played to him from a deliberate save
by an opponent having been in an offside position
A player in an offside position receiving the ball from an opponent, who
deliberately plays the ball (except from a deliberate save), is not
considered to have gained an advanta... 阅读全帖 |
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S****o
发帖数: 503 | 47 你这样理解advantage从这里的字面上看没有问题，05年前你可以这样争议，05年后就
不行了。05年开始，FIFA对这条进行了严格定义，两年前还进行了修正，现在的定义是
这样的：
“gaining an advantage by being in that position” means playing a ball
i. that rebounds or is deflected to him off the goalpost, crossbar or an
opponent having been in an offside position
ii. that rebounds, is deflected or is played to him from a deliberate save
by an opponent having been in an offside position
A player in an offside position receiving the ball from an opponent, who
deliberately plays the ... 阅读全帖 |
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S****o
发帖数: 503 | 48 这个不是因为干扰守门员（interfering with an opponent），而是因为获利（
gaining an advantage），简单地讲就是得到了对方扑救出来的球（最后补射那一下）。
上面FIFA的PPT是2011年的，已经有些过时了，2013年对gaining an advantage新的定
义是：
“gaining an advantage by being in that position” means playing a ball
i. that rebounds or is deflected to him off the goalpost, crossbar or an
opponent having been in an offside position
ii. that rebounds, is deflected or is played to him from a deliberate save
by an opponent having been in an offside position
A player in an offside posit... 阅读全帖 |
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T**********e
发帖数: 29576 | 49
or
the
判断这个球适用本条，因为球不是传给Hamm的，反弹到中国后卫腿上，落在空地。
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Gaining an advantage by being in an offside position
"playing a ball that rebounds or is deflected to him off the goalpost,
crossbar or an opponent having been in an offside position; or that rebounds
, is deflected or is played to him from a deliberate save by an opponent
having been in an offside position"
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要看Hamm原来越位的位置是否对她拿到那个球有利，她需要反身离开越位位置才能拿到
这个球说明越位没有好处，她能在后卫之前拿到球是因为距离球近，而不是以为在后卫
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T**********e
发帖数: 29576 | 50
别来虚的，你说说某球员如果一旦处于越位位置，是不是后面就只能看不能触球了？
如果没被传球，当然可以从越位退回，然后再碰球，hamm就是这么干的。
判越位规则没啥玄乎的，适用这球就这条：
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Gaining an advantage by being in an offside position
"playing a ball that rebounds or is deflected to him off the goalpost,
crossbar or an opponent having been in an offside position; or that rebounds
, is deflected or is played to him from a deliberate save by an opponent
having been in an offside position"
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