s*********f
发帖数: 155 | 1 wow, super long post! But a good read. Too beautiful to beat... wow! How
nice! Thanks for sharing.
1. The ridiculous hand: he is on tilt and it happens to every one. Thank God
he donates his money to you.
2. "I knew I was supposed to be happy, but I was not. I was mad at him for
putting me in that
kind of tough situation; I was mad at him for raising me many times with
nothing and I couldn't do anything about that; I was mad at him for choosing
me as his target.He was so arrogant each time when ... 阅读全帖 |
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T*********k
发帖数: 1621 | 2 Recently I played live games a lot, most on 2/5 table.
The casinos I frequents includes the ones in AC, PA and CO. IMO, the player'
s skill level on 2/5 table are a little better than 1/2 game, but it is not
sth you can't handle. I was doing well this year, only had one losing
session this year. I see a lot of players, fishes, nit (myself included),
solid TAGs. But very few times I see very tricky players. I saw one during
last weeks' session in Sands, pa.
It was a black guy on my right(which me... 阅读全帖 |
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s*******o
发帖数: 4896 | 3 我在Merge 50NL的经验是don't try to outplay TAG reg there, just play your
abc game with REG and most of your profits come from huge "who can not fold
top pair" fish.
你得学习观察桌上的其他players,这样你就不会over aggro了
bet
lightly
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s*****s
发帖数: 1130 | 4 谢谢你的意见. 我的确是try to outplay TAG reg, 但是并不成功.
fold |
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T*********k
发帖数: 1621 | 5 Nowaday I am kind used to the ups and downs, you cant quit just because a
few bad beats. The real scary thing is you play without your head straight.
That is why i always stand up and leave the table when i got wiped out with
one buyin or two. And i will move to 1/2 game because playing smaller games
give less stress .
And when I can think straight, i know i can beat small stake games because
there always some bad players sitting there, at least one or two playing per
table . those are my target... 阅读全帖 |
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l*****g
发帖数: 1128 | 6 怎么投票啊？俺看好Phil Collins。 Ben Lamb是很厉害，但他太高傲了。这种人很容
易犯错误，因为他觉得他可以OUTPLAY他的对手，所以很容易玩一些MARGINAL的牌，最
后把自己给栽了，就像2010那个Cheong样的，在至少能拿第二的情况下竟然拼命bluff
Cada,最后拿了第三。个人看法而已。觉得Collins更沉稳点。 |
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p****r
发帖数: 9164 | 7 agree. hudge misstake to shove A5 when 40 BB deep. I usually shove less than
15 BB with A rag against good players, and less than 10BB against weak
player that I can outplay him postflop a lot.
in
Flop
a |
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p****r
发帖数: 9164 | 8 I will start with mine:
No cap 2-5 NL, live game at a Vegas casino.
It was like 6am in the morning, the table was quite active and super
deep. Brian Rast, the guy who won two bracelets this year, came from a broke
high stake game, sitting down with at least 50k. There was another very
loose guy sitting down with over 10K. With such deep stack, everybody played
quite loose preflop .
I limped in 10$(straddle) with 44, a standard play for deep stack cash
game, another ppl cal... 阅读全帖 |
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T*********k
发帖数: 1621 | 9 1. I am always skeptical of those stategies. In theory, it make sense, but
when I tried those fancy plays online or live, I always lose money.
I guess playing within ones' comfort zone and own style is more important
than implementing those advanced plays.
2. Something about playing fish, why it is profitable? My understanding is
when you have a hand, fish will pay you off and give you max value majority
of the time while good players can get away with it. And on certain
situation, you can even ... 阅读全帖 |
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s*******o
发帖数: 4896 | 10 the reason is if you can outplay a fish postflop, you should play a wider
range
preflop in position. It doesn't equal to play aggro against fish. I often
see fish slowplays a lot of big hands online. If you always want to push
fish
out, it is not a good idea and not a good postflop either. Since fish don't
know how to make values from big hand, you can lose way less when you facing
a big hand from fish and get rewarded when you have big hands.
Actually, you can raise almost 80% of your range fro... 阅读全帖 |
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G********r
发帖数: 666 | 11 Below is my two cents:
Being a thoughtful pro as you said, BB probably had the following in his
mind before he pushed his raise in.
1. He thought you were tight and most likely had AK,AQ with your PF raise -
ideal to make his post flop outplays
2. You thought his range was either super strong, or total air (which he is
capable of).
3. He thought you thought he could have anything playing his rush in such a
big winning day -- therefore good timing to represent a 4 with high fold
equity.
Based on ... 阅读全帖 |
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p****r
发帖数: 9164 | 12 先写两个，欢迎补充。
lzi- 俺又用23o rep一个flush , 让对方丢掉top set 了。outplay别人的感觉让
俺有女中durrrr 的感觉。 同版上太多人吵过架了，该歇歇了。
patrickcp- "I never bluff", but you will never see me do.
hector: I do not water here often, but I got sicker bad beat than all of
you. Top set all in beat by gutshot.
【 在 fryking (赤道企鹅) 的大作中提到: 】 |
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W********m
发帖数: 7793 | 13 Part I
It’s a question I ask myself all the time, why am I still at these levels? I feel like my thought process is definitely higher than 95% of live 200nl players, and probably a big portion of live 500nl players. I mean I can tell you what *enter famous players name here* is going to bet on HSP or WSOP. Ok, maybe that last one was a bit of a joke, but I know I used to feel like that. Seriously, though, why am I stuck in this place? Is it bankroll issues? Yes, somewhat. I do spend part of my b... 阅读全帖 |
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h*******s
发帖数: 3932 | 14 ☆─────────────────────────────────────☆
player (Hope is the best thing) 于 (Sun Nov 13 17:40:20 2011, 美东) 提到:
继续提高版上人气，也许老大可以搞个有奖征文，
大家说说自己得意的bluff，要把bluff 的思路讲清楚。 然后大家投票，得票最多者
奖励30 个包子。
当然，也后也可以讲best laydown，best thin value bet 一类，但俺觉得还是best
bluff 最刺激。
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nanpa (nanpa) 于 (Sun Nov 13 18:11:42 2011, 美东) 提到:
算不上最好的bluff，但还是很刺激，上周末的home game， 1/2
EP, raise to $7，CO call, button call，
hero SM 35o
$7 在这个桌上是个比较小的raise,后面两个limp应该也只是中/小对或SC之类的牌... 阅读全帖 |
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h*******s
发帖数: 3932 | 15 ☆─────────────────────────────────────☆
player (Hope is the best thing) 于 (Mon Nov 21 15:26:29 2011, 美东) 提到:
5/10 NL. Very loose game and lots of action. A few guys sat down with 10+
K.
I played a super nitty game with shortstack(starting with 1k) at the table
and tried to not getting involved with many pots.
Then this hand came out: I was at SB with 1.8k, there were two limpers,
including button with very big stack. I looked my hand and I got KK. So I
made 100$ to go out of SB, B... 阅读全帖 |
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l*****g
发帖数: 1128 | 16 “太追求打牌的creativity，过分的追求balance/widen range，让别人猜不到我的牌
。preflop的loose call就是让对手知道我的preflop call可能是any two card。殊不
知，过于的balance range会丧失optimality（EV）。”
————这个我严重同意。我有时就犯这种错误，比如pre-flop open with 10 9o之类
的，最后都死得很惨。最终发现还是老老实实打TAG更有用点。太LOOSE了很输钱的，老
想着post flop可以outplay对手，其实要让对方把好牌FOLD了没那么容易，特别在别人
COMMITTED的情况下。
牌。
board |
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h******g
发帖数: 100 | 17 Since I saw a lot of people discussing hands, I think i have a hand to share
as well.
This is the hand happened a few monthes ago in the WPT regional event in
colorado, I was at the time chip leader at the table with about 150K w/ 500/
1000/100 blind level. My opponent is a quite good player sitting around 65K,
who I recently doubled up w/25o aganist his 99 on a 26726 board. We both
like to play a lot of hands and try to outplay/trap our opponent postflop.
I was UTG+1 w/ QJs and raise to 2700. H... 阅读全帖 |
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W********m
发帖数: 7793 | 18 那天看了这帖没回，不过一直在想这里check turn后river bet bluff 到底好不好，
我觉得看人,看history， 如果对手玩得很差，基本读牌都不懂，我觉得可行。 对手稍
微会打点和读牌，我觉得不好，对手这里有个pair 都会叫的可能挺大的。这里有
position check turn 后，其实是把自己所有强牌的range 都check 没了。 我还是倾
向于bet turn, bluff most river. 对手这个turn 上在flop close action 的清况下
check, 也把自己的强牌都check 光了， 相反，我们在有位置的情况下， 因为筹码太
深，几乎所有强牌都可以在flop 上flat, 然后reraise/push turn。 所以在这种清况
下我们是可以bluff turn and river的, 如果都是blank。
这周末打牌抓了几个bluff, 我觉得对手在选择bluff 的spot 很不好。 特别是一些打
得还可以的对手, 可能平时和weak tight不会读牌的人打多了，乱bluff.
有一手牌，
我在sb comple... 阅读全帖 |
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f*****g
发帖数: 15860 | 19 这哥们儿以前在FTP上的avatar是憨厚的大熊猫，赌性极强，越打越狠，经常是一晚上
从100NL打到1000NL，手气差了就反过来，呵呵。
旁观它打牌很刺激的，偷笑不止，尤其看它被人suck out或者outplay的时候，没钱了
，sit out半天，哭着跑了...过N小时或者N天又跑出来....周而复始。
最搞的是这家伙有次和yuanjunjun两个人一起打一个什么FTOPS的卫星赛，还不是很便
宜的那种，结果它报名进去才发觉是个mixed game，除了HEM这家伙什么都不会玩，有
把牌快show down了还准备bet，结果yuanjunjun告诉他那牌在PLO里面是狗屎，哈哈哈
，丫老实的check了，结果好象狗屎还赢了。
最后两人居然双双拿到门票！！ |
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l*****g
发帖数: 1128 | 20 That's normal. Usually they don't have the patience on a low-limit game, and
they think they can outplay everyone. |
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W********m
发帖数: 7793 | 21 那B 的river bet 其实就是induce + thin value。 他根本不会fold.. 被outplay 了。这里的river raise 她的range太太太太窄了。 靠， 比她的紧身上衣还窄。 |
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T*********k
发帖数: 1621 | 22 I tanked for a good two minutes. My first instinct was to call.
Again, my history with him is only one hand, which he check raised me with A
A 6 board (the previous hand), $200 to $140 pot was an over bet as well,
which I also think he was bluffing and tried to outplay me.
In this hand, I figured:
The massive over bet is suspicious, we are not talking about bet 200 into a
$160 pot, we talked about betting $512 into a $160. The bet seems try to
blow me out of the water. Let us face it, the normal... 阅读全帖 |
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f*****g
发帖数: 15860 | 23 i'm a PLO pro, you guys just don't believe me, LOL.
no, you outplayed me, and i played a few key hands poorly, haha. |
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T*********k
发帖数: 1621 | 24 I think you guys all have a misconception of flop bet size .
Flop bet $100 or $70 doesn't mean anything. Low stake live poker have a
different bet size structure than online game. For example, online preflop
raise usually is 3-4bb, and yet in the live poker, you often see people
raise 5-7bb preflop, in a action table, sometimes ppl even 9bb-10bb preflop,
creating a pot which is very big already, even before the flop.
In OP's case, from online player's perspective, he only bet 1/3 of the flop,
se... 阅读全帖 |
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d*****0
发帖数: 1500 | 25 哥想想还是很小心翼翼地码些字吧
不为别的，只为可能性的提高本版女神的赢率。
这手牌本身来说，不应该算是被1 outer了，因为turn上牌还没打完。但是无论如何，
碰到这样的冤家牌以及双方相对较浅的筹码，不打到allin，就只能说明水平有问题了。
被cooler其实不是一个问题，牌打得越多，会越多碰到这样的cooler，老天是公平的，
这次他cooler你，下次你也会cooler他。但是，被cooler影响，导致之后的打牌失去平
衡，那就是很严重的问题。尤其，女神又在玩那么高级别的桌子，犯错的代价，相对来
说也非常非常高，说不影响到生活，那是不可能的。且，一旦犯错，可能之后的牌局受
到更大的影响，导致恶性循环。所以哥说，当你觉得这方面控制不是很好的话，每当输
掉一个大pot，即时离桌，休息一下，绝对是有百利而无一害的事。
一直追着女神的帖子，对女神的level有所了解。哥可以想象得到，女神绝对是外表柔
弱，牌风彪悍，往往弄得桌上其他人浑身上下不舒服，然后不停地犯错送钱。而女神本
身，凭着强大的live read能力和执行力，该出手时就出手，毫不手软，这也是长期盈
利的法宝，没有之一。
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T*********k
发帖数: 1621 | 26 I thought you guys are playing high stake $400 - $800 games. Then I read
the posts again and realize it is just 0.5 - 1 dollars game.
I see ppl lose a big chunk of stacks all the time in SB, BB, Btn position
playing the steal, re-steal and re-re-steal game. In tournament, I can
understand, but just feel it is so unnecessary in cash game.
Never understand why ppl try to make things so complicated for a simple game
. Holding KQo facing a 5 bet, and players are still thinking their brain out
about... 阅读全帖 |
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T*********k
发帖数: 1621 | 27 Lock 实在 cash out 太慢。WSN 脑筋动到 ACR 上。看 poker cashout tracking. ACR
的 cashout 是数一数二的。坑爹的 Bovada 不让纽约州注册，ACR 成为不二的选择。
前天住了个册，虽说有 1000 的 deposit bonus, 非不让俺 deposit 超过 250。逼得
哥只有 250 了。
钱一到户，直奔牌桌，哥直接就上 NL100 了。版花打 NL 10/20 临场就带 2.5 的
full buyin. 俺觉得俺比版花更强，俺整个 bankroll 就 2.5 个 buyin.
在 Lock 打得多了，尤其在一群 Reg 都走了以后，打得很顺，game is so soft, 觉得
自己水平大概是很高了，NL100 在 ACR 应该也是如此。
结果大错特错，就我打过的几个网站来说， ACR 的 NL100， NL 50 应该是 Reg 最多
，鱼最少的。Short stack 的所谓的鱼也就是一般的 weak loose, 也不会瞎搞纯
donate.运气也不是太好，紧了半天，一对 KK 给一个 Reg 不知道为... 阅读全帖 |
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T*********k
发帖数: 1621 | 28 Lock 实在 cash out 太慢。WSN 脑筋动到 ACR 上。看 poker cashout tracking. ACR
的 cashout 是数一数二的。坑爹的 Bovada 不让纽约州注册，ACR 成为不二的选择。
前天住了个册，虽说有 1000 的 deposit bonus, 非不让俺 deposit 超过 250。逼得
哥只有 250 了。
钱一到户，直奔牌桌，哥直接就上 NL100 了。版花打 NL 10/20 临场就带 2.5 的
full buyin. 俺觉得俺比版花更强，俺整个 bankroll 就 2.5 个 buyin.
在 Lock 打得多了，尤其在一群 Reg 都走了以后，打得很顺，game is so soft, 觉得
自己水平大概是很高了，NL100 在 ACR 应该也是如此。
结果大错特错，就我打过的几个网站来说， ACR 的 NL100， NL 50 应该是 Reg 最多
，鱼最少的。Short stack 的所谓的鱼也就是一般的 weak loose, 也不会瞎搞纯
donate.运气也不是太好，紧了半天，一对 KK 给一个 Reg 不知道为... 阅读全帖 |
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T*********k
发帖数: 1621 | 29 LOL. You are such an ego mania.
Nevertheless, I will love see you playing NL 5/10, put on a show and use
your EV theory to outplay everyone.
It is about time you take the lead. |
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d*****0
发帖数: 1500 | 30 my2c
打牌不要按买入大小分，这种分法本身就造成一种bias，买入越大，水平越高？打法越
激进？或者说，越牛逼？（笑）
越是有这样想法的玩家，越是容易被exploit的体无完肤
哥说，钱一旦换成筹码摆上桌，就只能按照盲注来算。根据自身的bankroll/player
pool的tendency/对手/桌子的情况，及时调整策略。每一个决定，都要有支持它的理由
，并且保证做到自始自终心情舒畅，小波动或者无波动。即使真的桌上有几个世界级高
手（哥意思是，他们确实有很大的skill edge），说实话，在有限的时间里，他们也赢
不到你多少大盲注的ev。
但是，如果bankroll不是很足，上到理论上无法承受variance的级别的话，说实话，哥
觉得这个是以赢钱为第一目的的打牌的大忌，基本上都没有好下场。
如果玩家实在是非常享受那种赌博的刺激/outplay高手/偶尔的赢大钱的感觉的话（我
们称为心理utility）哥建议
1 清楚这只是个take shot，可能的输赢的结果都要完全接受，不要后悔。
2 physically limit你准备的买入，算是一个强迫止损，目的是防止被彻底wipe... 阅读全帖 |
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f*****g
发帖数: 15860 | 31 or put it in another way, if we're too afraid/concerned about being
exploited, then we're already (mentally) exploited.
to me, if luck is all right, poker is all about how to outplay your
opponents, by knowing more, analyzing deeper, and planning ahead/better. |
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d*****0
发帖数: 1500 | 32
第一手牌，turn上为什么不愿意fold？是真觉得对手可能在make move么？还是说本能
的觉得被raise就应该defend反正有4到6张outer？
类似的事情是不是经常发生？珍珠哥，你平时赢钱的快感更大还是outplay对手的快感
更大？
问题如有冒犯，请别介意。 |
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a**o
发帖数: 730 | 33 刚看到dgi打的一手牌，也是baby flush. 学习了
http://forumserver.twoplustwo.com/174/poker-goals-challenges/no
#3. UTG raises to 250, EP calls, I call from MP with 5s4s then BTN (OMC-TAG
hybrid, thinking player who thinks he’s the best as evident by his table
talk and poker lessons he’s giving everybody) 3-bets to 1200, UTG calls, EP
folds, I call. Eff stacks 20k, V covers.
Flop(3850) Ts 7s 3d
EP chks, I check, BTN checks
Turn(3850) 8s
EP chks, I check, BTN bets 1k, EP folds, I c/r to 6k, BTN snap calls, heads
u... 阅读全帖 |
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d*****0
发帖数: 1500 | 34 1. Hero with $250 6h4s UTG straddle $5; MP1 raise $12, 4 callers - SB,BB,
Hero and another MP. flop 4h4c9c. SB,BB check, Hero bet 35, MP1 call(MP1 is
the preflop raiser who has a big range and chip covers hero), SB shoves with
$90(SB is an asian with very tight image), BB fold, HERO?
---- 64o进局，能看到4h4c9c，已经算是dream flop中的战斗机了，再加上spr已经非
常非常低，对手（包括cover你的和那个紧短筹）push的range算是比较广的，这里如果
不愿意commit的话，应该重新考虑，为什么拿64进来
2. Hero has AA MP. UTG straddle $5, UTG+1 calls, Hero raise to $16, fold all
the way to ... 阅读全帖 |
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W********m
发帖数: 7793 | 35 the difference between hero and the villain
1) Villain puts hero on weak tight, and hero is weak tight.
hero puts villain on TAG, but villain is not a TAG, at least not when he
is making you a target. .
2) Villain does not care about his $$ on the table, and hero cares a great
deal.
How often do you raise from SB? My guess is that not very often? This guy
is 3 betting you with a 7 and calling 4 bet. He is isolating you like a fish
and confident to outplay your regardless of hand strength. I... 阅读全帖 |
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p**s
发帖数: 788 | 36 based on the way Boston Rob talked to Jerri, he lost interests.
have nothing to star appeal. russell outplayed Boston Rob, plain and simple. |
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c******e
发帖数: 383 | 37 well congrat to flash outplaying jaedong all 3 games.
too bad it couldnt go to 5th game though. |
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r*k
发帖数: 915 | 38 lol...dyrus在challenger用garen欺负的那堆riven jax renekton原来都是黄金4以下
么...这个游戏的信息量巨大，所以mechanics在什么level都可以让你outplay。
就我的经验黄金和白银其实laning mechanic基本没啥区别，只不过在团战decision
making上靠谱一些而已...黄金2的中单Xerath照样被弱鸡银4的Karthus一级就干出一血
... |
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g****t
发帖数: 31659 | 39 票房分别是
18801277
16445291
Avatar比昨天多了2.2% |
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y*******o
发帖数: 6632 | 40 你确定是今天而不是昨天或者前天（depending on your time district) |
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g****t
发帖数: 31659 | 41 我看的boxmojo最新一行
是昨天的？等我再看看。
看过了，果然是昨天的。 3x for correction |
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a****8
发帖数: 2771 | 44 Now that he knows Lin is a force to be reckoned with, Bryant had nothing but
kind words for the man who outplayed him on the court. "Players don't
usually come out of nowhere," Bryant, who scored 34 points for his team,
said after Friday's game. "If you go back and take a look, his skill level
was probably there from the beginning but no one ever noticed."
He added: "It's a great story. It's a testament to perseverance and hard
work. I am sure he has put in a great deal of work to always have th... 阅读全帖 |
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a********l
发帖数: 39524 | 45 a good team on paper, they found every way to lose possible, and managed to
shoot themselves in the foot game after game. they were outplayed by
themselves!
mike matheny is still a long way out. |
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g****t
发帖数: 31659 | 46 kindle早几个月就被Nook outplay了。你查查资料再说吧。
如果你出国只一年，说不定Nook没听说过？ |
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g****t
发帖数: 31659 | 47 Q一边弄着世界水平的东西，和fresh合用一个办公室，这叫能混？
而且他做的东西压根没有revenu,明天他被赶走我都不奇怪啊。
所以你后面的推论完全不适合Q这个情况。
Q明显没啥地位,也就是忽悠一下楼主新人。结果水平差到连新人都忽悠不住。
社区大学不是问题。但同事出来跟楼主说Q是社区大学，那就是问题了。
再说了，这都什么时代了，你还迷信大牛呢。
analog再大的牛，深圳上海找一伙人搞人海战术，
谁能outplay谁？不好说吧！
事。 |
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g****t
发帖数: 31659 | 48 Q一边弄着世界水平的东西，和fresh合用一个办公室，这叫能混？
而且他做的东西压根没有revenu,明天他被赶走我都不奇怪啊。
所以你后面的推论完全不适合Q这个情况。
Q明显没啥地位,也就是忽悠一下楼主新人。结果水平差到连新人都忽悠不住。
社区大学不是问题。但同事出来跟楼主说Q是社区大学，那就是问题了。
再说了，这都什么时代了，你还迷信大牛呢。
analog再大的牛，深圳上海找一伙人搞人海战术，
谁能outplay谁？不好说吧！
事。 |
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