T*********k
发帖数: 1621 | 1 来自主题: TexasHoldem版 - 愚人节？ When you run bad, this tatic doesn't even work.
Overshoved KK the other day in middle position when nobody even enter the
pot, the cutoff tanked for couple second then called with QK suited for $130
. Flopped flush draw and got their at the turn, dang! $130 gone.
Overshoved AA when just one opponent in the pot, immediately called by
another guy with JJs. Flop set, $100 gone.
The most funny hand I had in NL200, Overshoved AA for $130, the immediate
left shoved $200, so did his immediate left $59 |
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d*****0
发帖数: 1500 | 2
7 buy in downswing是很正常的，但是被3bet了几次开始tilt，尤其是有position的情
况下，就很不应该了。从lz以前的帖子看，lz的技术应该是没有问题的，但是很可能
tournament和6max的dynamic不一样吧
其实感觉lz在“第四把我用ato 4bet overshove反推他100bb”的时候就tilt了。ATo面
对wide 3b range且有position的时候绝对是应该call的。其次4b bluff fold to 5b也
还可以。4b all-in是很大的一个leak。
感觉我认识的很多人仅仅把tilt看作是emotion的问题而不是技术的问题，这是不对的
。举个例子来说，如果我现在去打NL20，不管出现什么情况我都不太可能tilt，因为对
手的move基本都在意料之中。但是上周末打NL200打了没几手牌，在没有任何bad beat
的情况下，就觉得情绪有点失控，因为明显感觉对手在利用position exploit我，而我
没有很好的应对的办法。这种情况下一般我就换桌或者不打了。
即使桌上的reg skill edge不是很大，... 阅读全帖 |
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f*****g
发帖数: 15860 | 3 haha, you misunderstood me. i never said you could not fold AA or KK, and if
you checked some of my older posts, you'll find i always say AA is JUST a
pair most of time, the key is how to play this over pair most effectively
and against who.
like i posted before, in 1/2NL live games, once i lost 4 AAs out of 5 in the
same afternoon. i was exactly like how you feel. BUT in the 5th hand (right
after 4th), i picked up AA again and made an "over on tilt" play by
overshoving against last hand's lucky |
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f*****g
发帖数: 15860 | 4 haha, when 19 ppl left (18 got paid), i was at button with JJ, BB was super
short (200 chips), UTG overshoved 19K... i (19K) tanked and folded. sorry,
no drama today.
table
Q10 and river K. Guess there |
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f*****g
发帖数: 15860 | 5 来自主题: TexasHoldem版 - 愚人节？ not often (and of course, i don't overshove every AA either, lol).
but once i do get called, almost guarantee a good xBB/100 for that session.
the best spots to shove are against 4-5x raisers (typical TT/JJ/QQ/AK) or
from donk positions, like CO/BN, hehe.
if |
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f*****g
发帖数: 15860 | 6 这家伙坏得很，俺是那种flat KK的么？下回等俺拿27o overshove一回，嘻嘻。 |
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f*****g
发帖数: 15860 | 7 that's why it took me a few secs since i got no notes on him, except a sign
for aggressive play.
and overshoving with AA is one of my weapons, lol. |
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D*A
发帖数: 1169 | 8 i agree you got to pay. just wondering is it an overshove?
i mean even you shove,
you can not stop him if he had Set,Combo-Draw or Str anyway
After he raise to 75$,he is unlikely to have FD
(which he would happy to call as normal live player)
If he is capable of making such raise-bluffing, any reraise will shut him
off
now the situation is:if you are behind already,
he will for sure call any re-reraise,you got to pay.
if you are still adhead,
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W********m
发帖数: 7793 | 9 来自主题: TexasHoldem版 - 我靠故我输 typed a long paragraph but lost it because of wrong password. Not going to
type everything again. but I will point out that your thought process is
flawed. if you want to take someone's whole stack, you have to build the pot
from flop. Overshove river to get value from nut flush is unrealistic when
you meet more competent player. And you lose value from everything else
other than the flush by betting the flop and turn small. 16X bb difference by turn is a lot by my calculation.
it
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f*****g
发帖数: 15860 | 10 ft, now you see why i overshove AA pre? hehe.
This
is so exploitable. |
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W********m
发帖数: 7793 | 11 bluff raise river always succeed and value shove river always gets called.
But only when we are running hot ~~~~ Some days, bluff raise river may get
called by a bottom pair.. But river overshove is a powerful weapon, use it
wisely for value or for bluff. |
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f*****g
发帖数: 15860 | 12 来自主题: TexasHoldem版 - 上来哭一哭 you raised pot and he raised pot after, it should be only about 20BB in the
pot, overshoving ~200bb is way toooo big bah?
shove |
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d*****0
发帖数: 1500 | 13 来自主题: TexasHoldem版 - 上来哭一哭 exactly 我就是传说中的kk donkey
如果是正常人 看到overshove 会不会觉得是bl |
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p****r
发帖数: 9164 | 14 it was 5/10 NL game at Rio during WSOP. I had around 2k$ stack. A
passive player limped in UTG and I limped in with QTs as well. SB raised to
like 60 or 70, passive UTG called, I called as well. flop comes J 9 blank
rainbow, SB checked, UTG checked, I checked as well. Turn is the king, gave
me the nuts. SB bet, UTG raised, I reraised to 1000$+ , SB thought for while
and folded, UTG called with KJ. He had about 1k$ left and river was a K. So
I paid off him about 1k and had about 800$+ lef... 阅读全帖 |
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d*****0
发帖数: 1500 | 15 如果是网上的micro stake tourney，我会fold，原因
1 刚到新桌，情况不明，一般情况下讲，这里应该fold
2 2nd chips leader小盲注，在这里的overshove re－steal你大约20bb，他的range实
在是大于ajo，虽然结果看上去是个coin flip，但是这已经是那最好的50%的可能性了
，即使你前几把非常aggressive，换了你在他的位置，我想用 at- 来做这个overbet
resteal也算是over play了。
3 2BB对于你的stack比例来说还是ok，有个大大曾说过，在奖金分配不平衡的桌子上，
你手中的chips永远比pot里的chips值钱，你完全有机会等待更好的时机去赢回你这里
的损失，而不是冒险赌他overbet bluff。
当然live的魅力在于对手有很多tell，可是黎叔说了，要指望tell来获取information
多数情况下不是那么reliable，呵呵 |
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c****1
发帖数: 457 | 16 300. But way too many regular fishes who play 5+ hours. (Pittsburgh casino
is in downtown area and so many casual players come after work or drinking
in the bar). at certain point they got lucky and double up and then lose 700
-1000 easily. The reason I said you can make 10k is that you can win a 300+
pot relatively easy and often (for example, fish will overshove all in flush
1k+ with paired board at river), but you dont loose big pot that often.
你怎么还不睡觉。 |
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T*********k
发帖数: 1621 | 17 I didn't post hands very often recently. I am playing old-man poker so many
hands were not that exciting. Just routine. Win a little money here and
there. Don't remember I sucked out sb. in recent months. My playing style
nowadays decides when the money got all-in, usually I would be ahead. A few
times I gambled and was behind, I never hit anyway.
So last Friday I was in Borgata AC. Yes, it was the Borgata. Won like $300
in 2 hours playing NL2/5. Table broken.
I went to NL1/2 , certainly my stac... 阅读全帖 |
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W********m
发帖数: 7793 | 18 good analysis~
I think a regular aggressive player will bet his entire range on the turn
here, 9X/Qx+ for value and protection of the hand, a pair + straight draw
for value and seminbluff, total airball. we definitely can not fold.
actually we can even consider a small raise here to freeze action and get
value from weaker hand. Normally, if we have a decent image, a normal live
villian (relatively loose, not extremely aggressive) would not reraise back
with any draws but would continue with a... 阅读全帖 |
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d*****0
发帖数: 1500 | 19 merge 周日8桌
分别是 2个4k、2个5k、1个6.5k、1个25k和2个35k保证金的tourney。参加人数基本都
在400到700人之间。
其中一个4k和另一个5k的比赛，初期run的不错，chips一直保持在前5％，并且5k的那
场已经进入钱圈。可是一个不留神，两桌同时跟两个大stack clash输掉2/3的chips，
一下子沦为中短筹（30～40bb），尼玛，实在是悲剧啊。
4k的那场，哥OOP with QsTs, raise/flat tiny small 3bet, flop 5s8sTd，check/3x
raise villains 2/3 potsize cbet/call villain overshove。对手亮出AsTc，哥顿
时一口老血涂在屏幕上。
5k的那场，哥kqo chips leader，early position preflop 2.2x open，CO刚坐上桌也
是大stack flat call。flop J92r,哥2/3 size cbet，villain call，turn 5，哥pot
size to put villai... 阅读全帖 |
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d*****0
发帖数: 1500 | 20 1 1K 11
2 750 3.3 $7.78
3 1.5K 11
4 1K 11
5 1.5K 3.3+3+3 $28.75
6 3K 11+10+10
1号，UTG+1,TJs 12bb open shove，take down。UTG A7o open shove 14bb into QQ,
knockout
2号，大盲位88 14bb 3bet shove rock 2.1x open + a flatter，take down。换桌，
第一把，UTG 16bb open shove with A9o，被两家AJo call到，suckout！紧接着第二
把，AKo，接了16bb 和8bb的两连推，hold！wow！card dead + busy with other
tables ＝ auto ITM，呵呵。hero 大盲位，55 10bb stack call EP 5bb shove>A9s。
UTG+1 TJo 13bb shove，take down。换桌，UTG 33，15bb，看到大小盲均... 阅读全帖 |
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d*****0
发帖数: 1500 | 21 1 1k gtd 11
2 1.5k gtd 11
3 750 gtd 3.3
4 500 gtd 22 $208
5 1.5k gtd 3.3+3+3
6 3k gtd 11+10+10 $64.60
-87.6 272.6 +185
1, AJo 10bb < 77, out
2, 66 10bb reshove CL 2bb open, CL call, <99, out
3, T7o on SB shove 6bb BB < AQo, K5s MP 6bb open shove<33, out
4, BTN 10bb K6o shove MP CL(41/0)'s limp, SB snap reshove, > SB's AJo,
double up.
Stack 25bb, Pos 4/6, first 4 get paid,这桌打得要毁三观了，昨那位奇葩哥风格大
变41/11/2，坐哥左手，再左面又是一家32/6/6，各种烂牌flat。哥慢慢看戏。10bb EP
with ... 阅读全帖 |
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d*****0
发帖数: 1500 | 22 本来是好事，特别顺的赢了一个小mtt的冠军。另外几桌也进的比较深，可惜关键的几
个flip输掉了，只赢到点buffet钱。本来打算关机睡觉，可是还有一点点视频没看完，
于是开起2桌6max，打发时间。不想，没玩几把，bluff一个300bb的大锅，被一个reg死
对头拿着2nd pair接住。之后，另一桌一只donk连着小盲位3bet我4把，第四把我用ato
4bet overshove反推他100bb，他用kjo接下，顺利suckout，
此时，哥已经接近tilt的边缘，关掉视频，开启6桌，准备磨到这只donk被清，之后不
久，对上同一只donk，哥拿着qq open，在QJ22的turn上跟他get in 100bb，对手亮出
T2o,river comes the last 2.
这是压倒骆驼的最后一根稻草，之后，哥就无意识的开始spew，session结束的时候，
down了7个buying，把当天的mtt的winning全兜进去了，还输一个buyin。
又添了一笔血泪史，哎，以此警示其他玩家，打牌最重要的还是decipline |
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p******a
发帖数: 975 | 23 7 buy in downswing是很正常的，但是被3bet了几次开始tilt，尤其是有position的情
况下，就很不应该了。从lz以前的帖子看，lz的技术应该是没有问题的，但是很可能
tournament和6max的dynamic不一样吧
其实感觉lz在“第四把我用ato 4bet overshove反推他100bb”的时候就tilt了。ATo面
对wide 3b range且有position的时候绝对是应该call的。其次4b bluff fold to 5b也
还可以。4b all-in是很大的一个leak。
感觉我认识的很多人仅仅把tilt看作是emotion的问题而不是技术的问题，这是不对的
。举个例子来说，如果我现在去打NL20，不管出现什么情况我都不太可能tilt，因为对
手的move基本都在意料之中。但是上周末打NL200打了没几手牌，在没有任何bad beat
的情况下，就觉得情绪有点失控，因为明显感觉对手在利用position exploit我，而我
没有很好的应对的办法。这种情况下一般我就换桌或者不打了。
即使桌上的reg skill edge不是很大，a... 阅读全帖 |
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W********m
发帖数: 7793 | 24 如果是Ax, 哥觉得打得狠不错。 唯一不懂的是为啥river 不直接shove 而是留
了1/4 of stack left.
Isildur1 的image + blind vs blind. 他这里TP不overshove 就是leave too much
value on the table, 这里还可以bluff 掉一点对手本来是chop pot的TP. triple
merged range FTW
!!! NH~ |
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W********m
发帖数: 7793 | 25 这里如果他river check raise overshove 100bb. AQ 都可与考虑fold.
★ 发自iPhone App: ChineseWeb 7.8 |
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d*****0
发帖数: 1500 | 26
Considering the fact that villian flat preflop and flop on a pretty
coordinated board, you can probably take AA to TT out of his range. Quick
calculation on his range is as follows:
Value shoving range: AJ (9 combo), KQ (12 combo), any reasonable T like JT,
QT, KT, AT, 9Ts, 8Ts, etc (many combos), and 22 (6 combo)
Bluff range: Q9s (4 combo), 98s (4 combo), a couple of connected flush draw
(probably not AXd since it would be a really thin value bet on the river) so
we don't have enough equity to... 阅读全帖 |
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q****8
发帖数: 3281 | 27 这句说到点上了。我的理解80%以上是他认为的value bet, 倒未必是monster。试想你
tptk river overshove for value, get called by tpgk, and ship it! 这种感觉很
爽。
一旦出现 over bet shove，对不起，百分之八九十都是real monster。 |
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