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s*****n
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1999年2月,前南越海军上校何文锷在得克萨斯州去世。他的自传也在两个月后出版。
以下为摘编:
不管他们是胜利者还是失败者,一个不争的事实是:这次战斗的领导者们、南越海军的
成员们用他们的经验及所能使用的一切保卫祖国的领土,完整而英勇地抗击了中国侵略
。在最后的推演中,无论我们保持克制、扩大争端或直接将其升级为地区冲突,南越海
军都不得不暂时避开中国军队的攻击,以便等待另一个机会重新征服被占领土。
许多参加这次战斗的老兵们曾经迫切希望在南越军队和海军历史上留下令人敬畏的篇章
,但他们不幸漏掉了许多精确的细节。这是因为在1975年4月30日之前(南越政府灭亡
日),这次战斗是作为保密信息禁止发布的,在这天后,随着南越灭亡,这些老兵逃亡
到世界上各个自由国家而彻底分散了,我们也无从交换信息。
由于我手边没有任何参考资料,许多关于此次战斗的具体时间、敌我位置、当事人的姓
名和军衔等细节信息只能是个大概了。这里我尝试从战术指挥官的角度给与这次战斗一
个忠实详细的记述,我希望任何仍清晰记忆其他重要细节的人能帮我修订这个档案。
"Tan Xuan Giáp Dần Hoàng Sa c... 阅读全帖
f*******e
发帖数: 1061
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对嘛,大冬天的座邮轮去什么日韩,南海多舒服。
为南沙带去一袋土,带去一颗苗。再不行南沙的岛上拉一刨粪,肥沃祖国的土地。
HANOI (Reuters) - Vietnam on Monday demanded that China stop sending cruise
ships to the South China Sea in a response to one of Beijing's latest steps
to bolster its claims in the strategic waterway.
A Chinese cruise ship with more than 300 passengers visited the disputed
Paracel Islands earlier this month.
"Vietnam strongly opposes this and demands that China respect Vietnam's
sovereignty over the Paracel Islands and international law... 阅读全帖
c****x
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可以看出北越政府当年是承认西沙和南沙是中国领土的,只是南越当时不承认。然而北
越政府一直是不承认南越是国家以及南越政府是伪政府。所以不以予承认,这才是北越
统一南越合法性的来源。一个统一越南的合法政府,撕毁自己的承诺,你能说是中国贪
婪和不克制么?
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自1950年中国同越南(指越南民主共和国,即北越)建交后,在长达20多年时间里
,越南一直支持中国对南海岛屿的主张。1956年6月15日,越南外交部副部长雍文谦接
见中国驻越南大使馆临时代办李志民,郑重表示:“根据越南方面的资料,从历史上看
,西沙群岛和南沙群岛应当属于中国领土。”当时在座的越南外交部亚洲司代司长黎禄
进一步介绍了越南方面的材料,指出“从历史上看,西沙群岛和南沙群岛早在宋朝时期
就属于中国了”。
1958年9月4日,中国政府发表中国领海宽度为12海里的声明,并称该规定适用于中
国一切领土,包括东沙群岛、西沙群岛、中沙群岛和南沙群岛等。对此,越南《人民报
》于9月7日发... 阅读全帖
n*******r
发帖数: 2010
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By Chen Hurng-yu 陳鴻瑜
Disputes between China and Vietnam and the Philippines involving territorial
claims over the Spratly Islands (南沙群島) have once more hit the headlines
. My contention is that only territorial claims on the Spratlys that were
established on the “critical date” when the Treaty of San Francisco came
into effect are relevant.
Exactly 60 years ago, on Sept. 8, 1951, 48 nations signed the treaty in San
Francisco. Article 2, Paragraph F of the treaty reads: “Japan renounces all
right... 阅读全帖
a*****y
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http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2013/aug/6/chellaney-chinas
CHELLANEY: China’s salami-slicing strategy
Beijing works incessantly to redraw political boundaries
By Brahma Chellaney - - Tuesday, August 6, 2013
China’s furtive, incremental encroachments into neighboring countries’
borderlands have emerged as a key destabilizing element in Asia. While China
’s navy and a part of its air force focus on asserting revanchist
territorial and maritime claims in the South China and East China seas, it... 阅读全帖
c**i
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VOA Chinese, July 14, 2010.
http://www1.voanews.com/chinese/news/20100714-VIETNAM-CHINA-98437979.html
My comment:
(1) Vietnam slams China’s East Sea tourism plan. Voice of Vietnam, June 24,
2010.
http://english.vovnews.vn/Home/Vietnam-slams-Chinas-East-Sea-tourism-plan/20106/116863.vov
(2) 西沙群岛 in Chinese / Hoang Sa 黃沙 in Vietnamese
Paracel Islands
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Paracel_Islands
Please read section 6.2 "Pracel and Paracel" for origin of the name.
(a) For "Cauchi China," see Cochin
m******o
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Philippines says China violated its seas
(AFP) – 16 hours ago
MANILA — The Philippines accused China on Saturday of undermining peace and
stability in Asia by allegedly sending naval vessels to intimidate rival
claimants in disputed sections of the South China Sea.
Manila had protested over incidents in February to May, when the Chinese
navy allegedly opened fire on Filipino fishermen, intimidated a Philippine
oil exploration ship and put posts and a buoy in Philippine-claimed areas.
"The Philip... 阅读全帖
c**i
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来自主题: Military版 - South China Sea
(1) Edward Wong, China's Navy Reaches Far, Unsettling the Region. New York
Times, June 15, 2011.
http://www.nytimes.com/2011/06/15/world/asia
/15china.html?_r=1&scp=2&sq=edward%20Wong&st=cse
Quote:
"Foreign officials and analysts say the skirmishes this year have great
potential to devolve into military conflict. 'The situation there seems to
be escalating in dangerous ways,' Mr. [Lyle] Goldstein[, a professor at the
China Maritime Studies Institute at the United States Naval War College]
said.
... 阅读全帖
b********n
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来自主题: Military版 - 看看美帝怎么算计大宋的
http://www.strategypage.com/htmw/htlead/articles/20120807.aspx
Can't We All Just Obey China?
China recently declared that most of the 3.5 million square kilometers South
China Sea had become Sansha, the latest Chinese city. The area China claims
is within the city limits comprises over two million square kilometers of
largely open ocean and a few hundred tiny islands and reefs, many of which
are only above water during low tide. Sansha is administered from one of the
Paracel islands (Woody Islan... 阅读全帖
g*****g
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WASHINGTON—A U.S. warship conducted a patrol Saturday around an island in
the South China Sea claimed by China and two of its neighbors, another in a
series of operations intended to challenge Beijing’s maritime and
territorial claims in the region.
The USS Curtis Wilbur, a destroyer, navigated within 12 nautical miles of
Triton Island in the Paracel island chain in the South China Sea, a senior
defense official confirmed. Triton Island is a manned Chinese outpost.
Known as a “freedom of navigat... 阅读全帖

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来自主题: Military版 - 别做梦了,俄军打不过以色列的
周日,美国驱逐舰进入南海南沙岛礁12海里!
https://edition.cnn.com/2018/09/30/politics/us-sails-south-china-sea/index.
html
US Navy sails past contested islands in South China Sea amid U.S.-China
tensions
(CNN) — The United States sailed a warship close to disputed islands in the
South China Sea on Sunday, a move that is bound to draw the ire of Beijing
and comes amid heightened US-China tensions over a broad range of issues.
Two US officials told CNN that the guided-missile destroyer USS Decatur
sailed within 12 na... 阅读全帖

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https://edition.cnn.com/2018/09/30/politics/us-sails-south-china-sea/index.
html
US Navy sails past contested islands in South China Sea amid U.S.-China
tensions
(CNN) — The United States sailed a warship close to disputed islands in the
South China Sea on Sunday, a move that is bound to draw the ire of Beijing
and comes amid heightened US-China tensions over a broad range of issues.
Two US officials told CNN that the guided-missile destroyer USS Decatur
sailed within 12 nautical miles of Gaven ... 阅读全帖
n*******r
发帖数: 2010
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【 以下文字转载自 Military 讨论区 】
发信人: neirongor (nei), 信区: Military
标 题: 中国对于南沙和西沙的绝对国际法基础
发信站: BBS 未名空间站 (Thu May 21 10:57:11 2015, 美东)
版上的各位版友, 与其在这里打嘴炮, 不如花五分钟研究下wiki上的
《中日和约》, 白纸黑字写得明明白白。 有时间上军版, 不如花点时间把中日和约
第二条发到youtube, facebook, 各大英文评论区, 和你们公司同事的邮箱中去。
《中華民國與日本國間和平條約》第二條:「茲承認依照公曆一千九百五十一年九月八
日在美利堅合眾國金山市簽訂之對日和平條約第二條,日本國業已放棄對於臺灣及澎湖
群島以及南沙群島及西沙群島之一切權利、權利名義與要求。」
The Sino-Japanese Peace Treaty, commonly known as the Treaty of Taipei , was
a peace treaty between Japan and the Republic of China (ROC) sig... 阅读全帖
n*******r
发帖数: 2010
14
在youtube上贴的文字, 欢迎copy. 不必打嘴炮, 不必解释过多, 就把这一小段贴
上去, 很文明但很有说服力。
英文youtube:
The Sino-Japanese Peace Treaty (signed in Taipei, Taiwan on April 28, 1952):
"It is recognized that under Article 2 of the Treaty of Peace with Japan
signed at San Francisco, Japan has renounced all right, title and claim to
Taiwan and Penghu as well as the Spratly Islands and the Paracel Islands."
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Treaty_of_Taipei
日文YouTube:
日華平和条約(日本国と中華民国との間の平和条約)第二条
日本国は、千九百五十一年九月八日にアメリカ合泄违单・フランシスコ市
で... 阅读全帖
s**d
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来自主题: Military版 - 南海攻略1
本文中所称“台湾”指台湾地方当局或台湾岛。
先来看两张图。附件中的“eez”表示的是不考虑南沙及黄岩岛主权,南海周边各方按
照200海里划分的专属经济区,当双方有重叠时按照中线划分。这张图是99年的。当时
南海中可以占的岛礁已经被各方占完了,只剩下一些非常小难以构建设施的岛礁。图中
的paracel islands是西沙群岛,当时中国已经公布了西沙群岛领海线基线,把整个群
岛圈了起来,此图认为该群岛属于中国。当时中越北部湾划界还没有完成,因此北部湾
用根据清政府和法国签署的划分北部湾中岛屿归属的一条直线分割,后来的划分是曲线
,正好平分,中国比直线划分多3万平方公里。西沙向东一点的Macclesfield Bank是中
沙,实际上没有在高潮时露出海面的部分(以前看到的说法,低潮的时候也没有露出来
的,不知道现在有没有长起来的)。scarborough reef是黄岩岛的礁盘,礁盘很大,但
黄岩岛本身只是一块露出海面的石头,也就是说从西沙到菲律宾,露出海面的只有这块
石头。这个石头按照国际海洋法公约也没有主张专属经济区和大陆架的权利。北边的
pratas island是东沙,由台湾控制,
o********r
发帖数: 775
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来自主题: Military版 - 轮到小白兔被指荒唐
咋这么耳熟呢?
http://www.dw-world.de/dw/article/0,,6082721,00.html
据越南媒体周三(10月6日)报道,越南政府再度要求中国立即、条件释放上月在两国
均对之提出主权要求的帕拉塞尔群岛(Paracel Islands,越南称“黄沙群岛”,中方称
“西沙群岛”)海域抓捕的9名越南渔民。中国驻越南大使馆称,越南渔民违法以爆炸
方式捕鱼,被扣的船只和渔民只有在该船船长缴纳罚金后才会被释放。越南官员称中方
的行为“荒唐”,他们指出,越南船只当时(9月11日)是在帕拉塞拉群岛周围水域作
业,“该群岛属于越南”。9月21日,越南外交部曾向中国驻越使馆发出正式信函,要
求中方释放被扣渔民。该事件有可能影响下周将在河内举行的10+8东盟防长会议的有关
讨论。
a****s
发帖数: 559
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庆祝河内建城1000年 越南举行史上最大规模阅兵式
(2010-10-11)
http://www.zaobao.com/yx/yx101011_002_1.shtml
(河内法新电)越南昨天在首都河内巴亭广场举行史上最大规模的阅兵式,庆祝河内建
城1000年。
分析员:向中国发出警告信息
分析员说,该阅兵式除了展现越南的民族自豪感之外,也含蓄地向邻国中国发出了
警告信息。越南和中国最近因南中国海主权纠纷而发生争执。
估计有近4000人参加阅兵式,他们来自社会各阶层,有工人、年轻人、种族和宗教
组织代表等。
越南国家主席阮明哲在仪式上发表讲话说:“(先人)流了很多血……河内才有今
天。”他说:“越南人爱好和平……但不会向蛮力和暴力低头。”
阅兵式一开始是10架俄罗斯制直升机,携越南国旗和越南共产党的铁锤与镰刀党旗
,飞越上空。
当身穿绿色、蓝色、白色和褐色制服和戴着白色手套的军警,以整齐划一的步伐操
过检阅台时,坐在胡志明陵墓上观看阅兵礼的越共领袖都挥起了手。
军人队伍中除了有手持冲锋步枪的特种部队成员之外,也有身穿传统服饰、把来复
枪背在肩上的少数种族民兵妇女。
阅兵式上没有展示重型... 阅读全帖
o********r
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http://www.reuters.com/article/idUSTRE69G0YA20101017
Nine missing Vietnamese fishermen found adrift
HANOI | Sun Oct 17, 2010 11:05am EDT
HANOI (Reuters) - Nine Vietnamese fishermen detained by China near disputed
islands in September who were set free last week and then lost at sea have
been located and taken to safety, the Vietnamese government said.
The detention of the Vietnamese sailors was the latest incident in a web of
complex, long-running territorial disputes in the South China Sea and ... 阅读全帖
s*****k
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印度防务研究与分析研究所防务专家拉吉夫-夏尔马(Rajeev Sharma)近日撰文戏称,
中国龙已经闯入了美国的店铺,就像野牛闯进了瓷器铺,而美国鹰正在气急败坏地咕哝。
随着中国在美国人的计划中取代俄罗斯成为最强劲的对手,中美较量在过去许多年
里一直不温不火。中国已经开始认为自己可以与美国平起平坐了。中国公众对最近(“
破坏稳定的”)美韩海军演习勃然大怒,中国官员白纸黑字的声明说,中国对在自己后
院出现这类活动感到不满的理由,就像美国对苏联在“古巴导弹危机” 期间的演习不
满的理由一样多。这些都是北京态度变化的证明。《人民日报》2010年7月29日发表文
章说,如果美国打算接受中国是世界上第二强国并划分势力范围的话,北京愿意与华盛
顿携手共进。
中国最近的一些军事行动值得关注。众所周知的历史事实是,那些最强大的海上强
国已经统治世界好几个世纪了,而中国正在忙于武装其海军,使其海军更具威力。中国
正在研制射程为2400千米的“东风-21”(DF-21)型反舰弹道导弹(ABSM),由于这种
武器能够对这个区域的美国军舰实施“斩首”行动,预示着北京将成为未来海战中“游
戏规则颠覆者”。由于... 阅读全帖
u****n
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http://www.ptfcn.com/?post=278
TOWARDS the end of 2003 and early in 2004 China’s most senior leaders put
aside the routine of governing 1.3 billion people to spend a couple of
afternoons studying the rise of great powers. You can imagine history’s
grim inventory of war and destruction being laid out before them as they
examined how, from the 15th century, empires and upstarts had often fought
for supremacy. And you can imagine them moving on to the real subject of
their inquiry: whether China wi... 阅读全帖
m**********n
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HANOI, Vietnam – Hundreds of Vietnamese staged an anti-China protest Sunday
for the second week in a row, a day ahead of the country's planned live
ammunition naval drill amid a heated spat over territory in the South China
Sea.
Waving Vietnamese flags and signs reading "Stop Violating Vietnam's
Territory," a couple hundred demonstrators moved from the Chinese Embassy
through the capital's streets surrounded by dozens of police and security
forces. Hundreds more also protested in southern Ho Chi... 阅读全帖
b*****e
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来自主题: Military版 - 城管疯狂迫害渔民啊
http://www.ft.com/intl/cms/s/0/0b4e8380-9b52-11e0-bbc6-00144fea
Vietnam’s fishermen on front line in China clash
By Ben Bland in Ly Son island
Published: June 20 2011 17:01 | Last updated: June 20 2011 17:01
When Tran Hien, the 31-year-old captain of a Vietnamese fishing boat, saw a
large Chinese vessel while sailing near the disputed Paracel Islands, he
knew exactly what was about to happen.
Officers from China’s fisheries agency boarded his 15m boat and, with
neither party able to understand t... 阅读全帖
g**1
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南海再衝突 越:中國攻擊漁民
2011-07-14 【中央社】
 越南官員控訴中國軍人不僅毆打1名越南漁民、還威脅其他船員。這起越南宣稱
確實發生的攻擊事件發生在南海(South China Sea)有爭議島嶼西沙群島(Paracel
islands)附近,中越都宣稱擁有該地主權。
 越南中部廣義(Quang Ngai)省1名邊界官員表示,1艘中國海軍艦先是追逐這些
漁民,接著派出1艘載有10名軍人的快艇,他們荷有自動步槍與警棍,在西沙群島附近
,登上這艘漁船。
 這些軍人隨後痛毆、踹踢越南船長,同時威脅其他9名船員。這起事件發生在5日
。要求匿名的官員表示,船長並未受傷。
 這是中越長期齟齬當中,最新1起衝突事件。(譯者:中央社陳怡君)1000714
w********s
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来自主题: Military版 - for sale
"If China is seriously interested in cutting a bilateral deal, it might also
concede to Vietnam's control of reefs and islets at the western end of the
Paracel archipelago, the section to the west of the midline."
http://www.defence.pk/forums/world-affairs/160140-china-vietnam
s*******l
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别不懂乱说瞎猜了。 旧金山合约由美国领衔,签与1951年9月8日。包括美国和日本在
内的46国签署了本合约。 这一合约是1945年7月美国主导签署《波茨坦公告》结束二次
世界大战后的收尾细则。 其中对日本与相关战时和战后各国的主权,利益,领土,赔
偿等作了相对具体的规定。 涉及到日本领土,赔偿和中国的部分有一下几个具体条款:
第二章:领土
第二条:陈述
第2款:日本放弃对台湾、澎湖的所有权利、名称与要求。
(b) Japan renounces all right, title and claim to Formosa and the Pescadores
.
第6款:日本放弃对南沙群岛,西沙群岛的所有权利、名称与要求。
(f) Japan renounces all right, title and claim to the Spratly Islands and to
the Paracel Islands.
第三条:陈述
日本同意美国对北纬29度以南的西南群岛(包括琉球群岛和大东群岛) 、汝富岩以南各
岛(含小笠原群岛、西之与火山群岛) ,和冲之鸟岛以及南鸟岛等地提交联合国信托管... 阅读全帖
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来自主题: Military版 - 关注:中越在西沙海域发生冲突
看看越南的官方报道:
HA NOI (VNS) — Deputy Prime Minister and Foreign Minister Pham Binh Minh
spoke on the phone with Chinese State Councillor Yang Jiechi yesterday
afternoon to discuss the issue of Chinese drilling rig HD-981 and its ships
operating in Viet Nam's waters.
During the talks, Minh stressed that China's unilateral bringing of the rig
and a large number of vessels, including military ships, to operate in oil
and gas Lot 143 on Viet Nam's continental shelf was illegal and counter to
internation... 阅读全帖
J********e
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en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:1958_diplomatic_note_from_phamvandong_to_
zhouenlai.jpg
In 1958, the People's Republic of China issued a declaration defining its
territorial waters which encompassed the Spratly and Paracel Islands. North
Vietnam's prime minister, Pham Van Dong, sent a diplomatic note to Zhou
Enlai, stating that "The Government of the Democratic Republic of Vietnam
respects this decision." The diplomatic note was written on September 14 and
was publicized on Nhan Dan newspaper(Vietnam... 阅读全帖
m******x
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面对越南暴乱重创华商,一连3个场合,美国政府只1次批评暴民,却多次以沈重的「挑
衅、破坏区域和平」等字眼抨击中国大陆的架设钻油平台之举。
白宫今天的例行简报会上,发言人卡尼回答媒体询问时说,美国密切关注越南民众的抗
议活动,不过如果从更广阔的角度观察,应该说「中国的行动系属挑衅,使区域紧张加
剧」,也使争议更难以化解。卡尼表示,中国大陆决定在有争议的水域设置钻油平台,
并以大量政府船只伴随,「这种挑衅之举,破坏了各方的目标--此一目标是和平解决争
端并维持区域整体稳定」。
卡尼表示,中方的作法很危险,且是出之以恫吓,「令我们非常关切」。
卡尼说,在这些有争议的领土、主权议题上,「美国不选边」。然而卡尼在谈到西沙群
岛时,使用的是越方名称「Paracel Islands」。
他说,中、越都宣称对邻近海域拥有主权,美国认为相关国家应依国际法厘清主张并达
成协议。他重申美国立场:相关各方须以和平方式解决争议,不能恐吓、胁迫,且应符
合国际法。
卡尼的谈话与美国官员昨天的2场发言大体相同。昨天,美国副总统拜登在白宫会见共
军总参谋长房峰辉时说,中方作法是片面行动,「美国严重关切」。拜登又说,「... 阅读全帖
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http://www.voanews.com/content/source-hanoi-no-longer-confronti
News / Asia
Source: Hanoi No Longer Confronting Chinese Ships
A U.S. based journalist who recently visited the South China Sea says he
believes the current situation near China’s disputed oil rig has calmed
down.
Vu Hoang Lan, founder of California-based PhoBolsaTV, recently visited the
area on board Vietnamese ships. He said in an interview with VOA's
Vietnamese Service that Hanoi has shifted gears and is no longer confronting
Chin... 阅读全帖
n*******r
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30
From a Taiwanese:
Who is really destabilizing South China Sea and Asian Continent?
President Obama plus EU created chaotic Middle East and made military
conflict in the Middle East possible, now the Ukrainian crisis. It seems to
me that the President Obama and US defense secretary Mr. Chuck Hagel are
going to create a third crisis in Asian continent.
The question is if President Obama and Mr. Hagel has encouraged Vietnam and
Philippine to start confrontation with China for the purpose of contain... 阅读全帖
w*********a
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来自主题: Military版 - 等台风过去了再看981呗
党妈又把你的脸给打了。
这是你当妈前一阵吹捧981的文章 http://news.ifeng.com/a/20140630/40952077_0.shtml
“在后来的调试过程中,“海洋石油981”两次遭遇风力超过15级的台风袭击,都没有
发生移动。”
目前的威马逊台风,中心风力不过12级, 在981所在区域Paracel islands附近,风力
不到7级。
m******x
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东盟地区论坛外长会议在柬埔寨召开,中国拒绝在东盟的场合中讨论南海主权问题。专
家认为,东盟各国以“两面下注”的方式拉拢美国巩固国家安全,同时希望维持与中国
的经济合作。
东盟各国与中日韩外长会议本周在柬埔寨金边召开,会议中是否将提及南海主权问题成
为各界关注的焦点。据法新社报道,东盟各国日前草拟《南海行为准则》,这一东盟外
长达成共识的文件草案显示,东盟成员国希望以联合国国际海洋公约作为解决南海主权
纠纷的基准。
北京方面表示愿意与东盟国家在适当时机探讨制定《南海行为准则》,但并不是旨在解
决南海争议,而是为了增进各方的互信和合作关系。
中国在近年来与南海主权申索国菲律宾和越南频频发生摩擦。今年四月,菲律宾和中国
因为黄岩岛(Scarborough Shoal,菲律宾称帕纳塔格礁)主权纠纷,在该争议海域进
行为期数周的对峙。
越南则在今年6月通过新的《海洋法》,宣称该国对黄沙群岛(Paracel)、长沙群岛(
Spratly)(中国分别称为西沙群岛和南沙群岛)及中国所称的中沙群岛(
Macclesfield Bank)拥有主权和管辖权。菲律宾和越南更积极寻求美国支持,加强在
防卫事务上... 阅读全帖
n*******r
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33
版上的各位版友, 与其在这里打嘴炮, 不如花五分钟研究下wiki上的
《中日和约》, 白纸黑字写得明明白白。 有时间上军版, 不如花点时间把中日和约
第二条发到youtube, facebook, 各大英文评论区, 和你们公司同事的邮箱中去。
《中華民國與日本國間和平條約》第二條:「茲承認依照公曆一千九百五十一年九月八
日在美利堅合眾國金山市簽訂之對日和平條約第二條,日本國業已放棄對於臺灣及澎湖
群島以及南沙群島及西沙群島之一切權利、權利名義與要求。」
The Sino-Japanese Peace Treaty, commonly known as the Treaty of Taipei , was
a peace treaty between Japan and the Republic of China (ROC) signed in
Taipei, Taiwan on April 28, 1952 and took effect on August 5 the same year,
marking the formal end of the Second Sino-Japan... 阅读全帖
x****u
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NO. The language in the treaty were not worded properly to transfer
ownership to China. Japan played a trick and the Chinese officials in
charge of signing the treaty did not understand it's significance.
"Japan has renounced all right, title and claim to Taiwan (Formosa) and
Penghu (the Pescadores) as well as the Spratly Islands and the Paracel
Islands."
"
This language means Japan had given up the claim to those islands, but did
not say who will get to own them. Ideally, it would have said ... 阅读全帖
n*******r
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35
在youtube上贴的文字, 欢迎copy. 不必打嘴炮, 不必解释过多, 就把这一短小的文
字贴上去, 很文明但很有说服力。
英文youtube:
The Sino-Japanese Peace Treaty (signed in Taipei, Taiwan on April 28, 1952):
"It is recognized that under Article 2 of the Treaty of Peace with Japan
signed at San Francisco, Japan has renounced all right, title and claim to
Taiwan and Penghu as well as the Spratly Islands and the Paracel Islands."
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Treaty_of_Taipei
日文YouTube:
日華平和条約(日本国と中華民国との間の平和条約)第二条
日本国は、千九百五十一年九月八日にアメリカ合泄违单・フランシスコ市... 阅读全帖
w*********r
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中新网的报道:
当地时间5月24日出版的加拿大《明报》发自温哥华的报道称,近日,温哥华旧货摊出
售一本1947年版本的《Collier’s World Atlas and Gazetteer》的地图兼地理词典,
由于是旧版图书,品相有点破烂,内里的地图也不像现代地图那样色彩缤纷,几乎无人
问津。
该词典中收录的一幅地图由Rand McNally公司绘制,其题目为《中国、法属印度、暹罗
、及韩国的大众地图》 (Popular Map of China, French Indochina, Siam, and
Korea) 。地图将中国、越南、与泰国并列在一起,故此南海也包含在内。内中地图对
中国南海岛礁有详细描述,部分岛礁更明确标明主权属于中国。
更有意思的是,报道称,地图在Paracel Islands(中方称西沙群岛)名字之下,特别加
入(China)标签,显示地图绘制者将“西沙群岛”列入中国版图之内。
出版该词典的1947年,在历史上是颇为微妙的一年,也可能是中国及美国关系有史以来
最为密切的一年。第二次世界大战刚刚结束。战时中、美两国是盟国,共同应对同一个
敌人,抗击日本的侵略。... 阅读全帖
n*******r
发帖数: 2010
37
有空上mit骂菲律宾人, 不如帮我多贴贴下面的话去youtube, facebook
1945, in the battle of Malina, American and Japanese together killed over
100k Filipino civilians within 1 month.
1941, douglas macarthur cowardly and shamelessly fled the Philippines when
the Japanese invaded her.
1902, the American colonized the Phlipphines after promising the Filipino
indepedence if the innocent Filipino help the Americans fighting agaisnt the
Spanish.
The Sino-Japanese Peace Treaty (signed in Taipei, Taiwan on April 28, 1952):
"It i... 阅读全帖
b********n
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38
The U.S. took a formal position on those claims before.
"In practice, as some in the region recall, long before the United States
turned against them as part of its “pivot to Asia” in 2010, America had
supported China’s claims in the Paracels and Spratlys. The U.S. Navy
facilitated China’s replacement of Japan’s military presence in both
island groups in 1945 because it considered that they were either part of
Taiwan, as Japan had declared, or – in the words of the Cairo Declaration
– among othe... 阅读全帖
r*****4
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曾任出使英国大臣的郭嵩焘,在《使西纪程》中记载,光绪二年(1876)10月24日,他经
过西沙群岛,“左近拍拉苏岛,出海参,亦产珊瑚,而不甚佳,中国属岛也”。同行的
随员张德彝,在《随使日记》中亦记载,同日“行八百三十一里,在赤道北十七度三十
分,左近巴拉赛小岛,中国属岛也 "
拍拉苏岛,巴拉赛小岛,其实就是一个意思,是从Paracel Islands硬翻译过去的,就是
西沙群岛。
西沙有个岛,外国人叫Money Island,老中翻译成钱财岛,抗战胜利后,改称金银岛。
74年的西沙海战就是在金银岛打的。
x****u
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40

Still, doesn't change the fact that neither ROC nor PRC signed the treaty,
and that left the opening for some people to exploit the vagueness and
dispute China's sovereignty over Taiwan, Paracel, Spratley, and Diaoyu
island.
What made it worse is neither ROC nor PRC cleared up this uncertainly in
their own treaties with Japan.
x******g
发帖数: 33885
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来自主题: Military版 - 军机在南海降落美帝有点紧张
会打起来吗?
U.S. admiral warns against Chinese fighter flights from South China Sea
runways
SINGAPORE (Reuters) - Any move by China to fly jet fighters from runways on
its new man-made islands in the disputed South China Sea would be
destabilizing and would not deter U.S. flights over the area, a senior U.S.
naval officer said on Monday.
Vice Admiral Joseph Aucoin, the commander of the U.S. Navy's Seventh Fleet,
also urged Beijing to be more open over its intentions in the South China
Sea, saying it ... 阅读全帖
a*****8
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来自主题: Military版 - 为什么美国人这么仇恨中国?
China’s blunt warning to America: ‘We’reready for repeat of Korean War or
Vietnam if U.S. military stirs up anyconflict in South China Sea’
中国警告:“如果美军在南海煽动冲突,不惧重复朝鲜或越南战争“
China has warned the United States not to'stir up any conflict' in
the South China Sea and said it was ready to replaythe Korean War or Vietnam
if provoked.
中国警告美国不要在南海煽动任何冲突,并称如果遭受挑衅,那么中国也准备好应对朝
鲜或者越南战争的重演。
Liu Zhenmin, a vice minister in China'sMinistry of Foreign Affairs said: '
The Chinese people do not want to havewar, so ... 阅读全帖
L***s
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刚刚在仲裁庭500页判决书中读了关键的九段线和历史权利那章,好像土共对美军飞越
航行自由的承诺也被拿来当作中国不主张九段线内是领海或内海的证据了。土共对九段
线到底是不是主张领海?
V. THE ‘NINE-DASH LINE’ AND CHINA’S CLAIM TO HISTORIC RIGHTS IN THE
MARITIME AREAS OF THE SOUTH CHINA SEA (SUBMISSIONS NO. 1 AND 2)
F. THE TRIBUNAL’S CONSIDERATIONS
1. The Tribunal’s Jurisdiction
(a) The Nature of China’s Claimed Rights in the South China Sea
212. At the same time, China has unequivocally stated that it respects
freedom of navigation and overflight in the South China Sea. On 27 October
201... 阅读全帖

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来自主题: Military版 - 自古以来属于中国的说法有问题
温哥华博物馆 有一个 美国公司 rand McNally 公司出版的地图 虽然没有标注全部南
海属于中国 但是在 Paracel islands 下面标注中国字样。 这份地图印制时间较晚
1947年。而且上面明显 对于靠近菲律宾附近的水域没有任何标注。南沙群岛也没有标
注。
a*****y
发帖数: 33185
45
来自主题: Military版 - 中国开始推出南海国内法了
Story highlights
China's Supreme People's Court reiterates its "judicial power" over South
China Sea
Statement comes after landmark Hague ruling against China's territorial
claims
Hong Kong (CNN)China has sent a clear warning to foreigners who enter
contested areas of the South China Sea -- stay away or you'll be prosecuted.
The warning came in a detailed explanation of last month's Hague ruling,
which found that China's territorial claims in region have "no legal basis"
under the U.N. Conventio... 阅读全帖
m**c
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来自主题: Military版 - 美帝巡航南海
China says the US has committed an "illegal" act in sailing a navy warship
near islands it claims in the South China Sea.
The USS Decatur passed near disputed islands earlier on Friday in what the
US says was "a routine, lawful manner".
It went close to the Paracel Islands, claimed by China but also by Taiwan
and Vietnam.
a******9
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美欧怀疑中国金属绕道越南再出口
越南今年对美钢材出口猛增十倍以上。西方竞争对手称,中国企业通过越南再出口,掩
盖原产地,逃避美欧关税。
更新于2016年11月15日 07:09 英国《金融时报》 迈克尔•皮尔 曼谷 , 韩碧如
北京报道
美国和欧洲针对中国钢材出口不断加大的政治压力,把越南推到一场争端的风口浪尖,
这场争端可能使围绕国际贸易以及地区安全的紧张局势扩大化。
华盛顿和布鲁塞尔正在调查有关中国金属产品通过越南再出口,以逃避西方国家关税的
指控。
这种不受欢迎的关注可能危及越南出口产品在西方市场享有的准入程度。它也可能使河
内与北京方面发生冲突,目前越南领导人正在推动与美国加强防务合作,作为抗衡中国
的手段。
美国和欧盟都希望遏制中国出口企业的金属产品出口,因为这些产品的价格使美欧本土
企业无法竞争。西方铝产品企业称,中国的产品在越南再熔化,然后发运到美国。
欧盟反欺诈办公室(OLAF)表示,其正在调查有关中国企业通过越南再出口钢材、以掩饰
原产地和逃避欧洲关税的指控。该机构拒绝提供进一步细节,仅表示它在与越南有关部
门合作。
据媒体报道,越南已证实它在配合欧盟的调... 阅读全帖

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http://www.bbc.com/zhongwen/simp/38965535
特朗普增派“卡尔文森”号驶向南海探路
5小时前
AFP PHOTO /US NAVY/MC2 SEAN M. CASTELLANO
Image caption
2月3日,“卡尔文森”号在太平洋参加海上垂直补给演练。该航母战斗群目前已被派往
南中国海区域。
美国海军在亚洲的"航行自由行动"(FONOPS)名字未变,但在特朗普上任后,这项行动
计划的具体内容正在悄然发生改变。
美国《海军时报》引用多位海军军官的话确认,美国海军以及美国太平洋司令部正部署
在斯普拉特利群岛(Spratly Islands,中国称南沙群岛)中国建造的人工岛礁以及在
帕拉塞尔群岛(Paracel Islands,中国称西沙群岛)的航行计划。中国已在这些区域
建造了大量军事设施。
美国海军及太平洋司令部打算在南中国海实施更多可能存在挑衅效果的行动,具体做法
是派遣更多军舰在中国建有军事设施的岛礁附近巡航。
具体执行新一轮"航行自由行动"的将是基地位于圣地亚哥的"卡尔文森"号航母战斗群。
三名要求匿名的美国防部官员向《海军时报》确认,... 阅读全帖
q****5
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沉寂半年多 中国再度出手南海
中国计划在南中国海岛礁上建立第一个永久性设施,这一行动是否会让一度平静的这一
争议海域再次掀起波澜?
(德国之声中文网)中国官方媒体《海南日报》援引三沙市高级官员称,中方将在黄岩
岛建设一个环境监测站,相应的准备工作已经启动。
三沙市是海南省四个地级市之一,设立于2012年,下辖西沙群岛、中沙群岛及南沙群岛
的岛礁及海域。外界普遍认为,北京政府设置三沙市旨在彰显在南中国海的主权。
黄岩岛(国际社会一般称为斯卡伯勒浅滩/Scarborough Shoal)是南中国海争议岛礁之
一,位于南中国海东部。马尼拉和台北政府也声称对该处岛礁拥有主权。
沙市委书记肖杰在接受《海南日报》采访时表示,2017年该市的工作重点之一是"继续
推进西沙北礁、浪花礁、华光礁、玉琢礁、磐石屿和中沙黄岩岛环境监测站前期工作。
"除此之外,他并未透露建设工程的具体细节。
2012年,中菲船队经过一番紧张对峙之后,北京得到了斯卡伯勒浅滩的实际控制权。
肖杰讲话中提到的其他几处岛礁属于西沙群岛的一部分(国际社会称为帕拉塞尔群岛/
Paracel Islands),1974年中国在经过西沙海战... 阅读全帖
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Duterte will 'go to war' over South China Sea resources, minister says
Philippines President Rodrigo Duterte has said China will cross a red line
if it unilaterally mines the natural resources of the South China Sea,
according to the country's Foreign Minister Alan Peter Cayetano.
杜特尔特表示:中国如果单方面开采南海资源,那么就触碰了菲律宾的红线,只有开打!
Cayetano's speech came as the United States Navy sailed two warships within
12 nautical miles of China's artificial islands in the Paracels, as part of
their regular freedom of n... 阅读全帖
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