t****g
发帖数: 35582 | 1 If your goal is being a patent agent. Sure, a BS degree with patent bar is
enough.
But you will be always at the low end of the food chain. JD is a must to be
a patent
attorney, who is at the middle level.
electronics
must? |
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c**d
发帖数: 3888 | 2 Most people mean patent prosecution attorneys when they say "patent attorney
." All other practices, pat lit, licensing, trademarks & copyright etc do
not require a patent bar. |
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d********o
发帖数: 337 | 3 http://www.pli.edu/product/webcast_detail.asp?ptid=505&stid=83&id=EN00000000045262
The Latest on the Patent Bar Exam (Audio-only Live Webcast)
March 4, 2008, 1:00 p.m. - 2:00 p.m. (E.S.T.)
The Patent Office was thrown a curveball with the injunction against its
latest Rules package. So it may be a while before they start testing any new
Rules. But the Patent Registration Exam soldiers on. These new Rules may
make the Exam more difficult, so it might be wise to get it out of the way
before the n |
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l********u
发帖数: 82 | 4 patent bar资格一问：本科医学，化学硕士博士是否符合要求呢？
uspto要求有信件说明考试申请人从事专利相关工作。。。。请问如何拿到这样的信件
呢？如果不是现在在这个行业的话？
Qualifying documentation would show that the USCIS has authorized the
applicant to be
employed or trained in the capacity of representing patent applicants before
the USPTO by
preparing and prosecuting their patent applications. Any USCIS approval
pending at that time will
result in the applicant's application being denied admission to the
examination. |
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d********2
发帖数: 44 | 5 As the bible to study for patent bar, MPEP is the guide and interpretation
of the whole patent prosecution process, and relevant laws.
I doubt you can learn sufficient information from the abstrate statutes.
The US Patent law is mainly developed from one clause from the Constitution-
-that does not mean you just need to know this specific clause.
You probably should do some serious homework before making the decision to
take the exam or switch the career. |
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m****n
发帖数: 174 | 6 PLI Patent Bar Review Course, Latest Version (May 2008 Edition)
I am selling a complete PLI Patent Bar Review course that I purchased in May
2008 (I passed the exam so I do not need it anymore). Yes, this is the
most recent version available, which is currently tested by the United
States Patent and Trademark Office (USPTO)! More specifically, this
Practicing Law Institute (PLI) course prepares you take the PTO exam based
on the 8th Edition, Revision 4. Everything is in good condition.
I pass |
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s***f
发帖数: 246 | 7 何必这么决绝，条条道路通罗马。我看身边很多同学是一边做着patent工作，一边读JD
的。从patent agent或者是specialist干起，再读个JD，是很多patent attorney的从
业过程。 |
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l*********g
发帖数: 1 | 8 努力半年，好不容易拿到一个patent agent的on-site，以前从没面过，有经验的前辈能指点一下吗？先谢谢大家了。
1.patent agent 面试一般要注意什么?看过很多前辈的文章，都说去了主要是闲聊，谈技术我倒不是很怕，最怕闲聊，能怎样准备一下吗？
2.patent agent 面试过程大概是怎么样的？听说面试的attorney有好几个，不知道一般是每个人的问题大致相近呢，还是各有侧重？
3.不少前辈提过面试时要写writing sample，是不是每个law firm都要求？不知道怎么个考法，我在想是不是得提前看点专利法方面的书做准备。
先提前谢谢各位前辈的指点。 |
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m**w
发帖数: 82 | 9 1.patent agent 面试一般要注意什么?看过很多前辈的文章，都说去了主要是闲聊，谈
技术我倒不是很怕，最怕闲聊，能怎样准备一下吗？
有一些肯定会问到的问题可以准备一下:介绍你自己；为什么要申请patent agent；有
没有相关经验；愿不愿意relocation；喜欢不喜欢writing。
还有一些问题我曾经在我的面试或聊天中被问到：为什么来美国；为什么来现在的学校
；有没有teaching的经验；有没有给没有技术背景的人做presentation或者writing的
经验；有没有在conference presentation的经验。
2.patent agent 面试过程大概是怎么样的？听说面试的attorney有好几个，不知道一
般是每个人的问题大致相近呢，还是各有侧重？
一般都是要见4-8个人，基本上都是聊天，没有什么侧重。
3.不少前辈提过面试时要写writing sample，是不是每个law firm都要求？不知道怎么
个考法，我在想是不是得提前看点专利法方面的书做准备。
我每次都是提前把writing samples发过去，所以没有被要求当场写作过。
我面试 |
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i****y
发帖数: 5184 | 10 你老公多大了？找patent工作找多久了？
话,英语，都不错。想作patent方面的工作. 刚刚通过了patent bar 考试，可是没有相
关的工作经验， |
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l*****g
发帖数: 556 | 11 I'm a Ph.D chemist with working experience in biotech, medical device,
chemical information industries. I want to jump ship to work as patent agent
/scientific consultant for law firms. (I haven't passed the patent bar yet)
Any law firms in silicon valley are hiring patent agent/scientific
consultant now?? |
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i***7
发帖数: 40 | 12 Can anyone share their thoughts on the career and earning propect for patent
agents?
Currently I am a Tech Spec at a big general practice law firm. I have a Ph.D
. in Biology from Harvard. For family reasons, instead of going to law
school, I am thinking of continuing my career as a patent agent. I am not
sure whether my firm will let me stay if I don't go to law school. If not,
where can I look for a position and what is the salary range for a patent
agent? Thanks in advance for any advice. |
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B********4
发帖数: 7156 | 13 刚考完，上来吱一声。
好象没有人关心这个问题，但我想人做事还是有始有终吧, 汇报一下考试经过。考的人
不是很多，但相对于１０个录取名额来说还是蛮多候选人的。本考点只有我一个中国人
，有一个黑人，一个中东的，几个东欧的，几个本地白人。（注：我是根据他们说英文
的口音来判断，不一定正确）。除了我连亚洲面孔都没有，难道中国人都是看不上这个
职业？我觉得这个工作不错，两年学徒期，其间师傅带着做案子，出师后的工作量是一
周２－３个案子（有经验的说说这个工作量大吗？）。博士毕业的学徒起薪有6万8加币
，出师后有较大涨幅，然后每年涨个３－５％，到１０万（目前标准）就不再涨了。我
估计到那个时候不是升官了就是到private firm去干了。
因为我没有得到任何要求我保密考题的规定，我就泄一下。考题不是标准化，全是简答
题，分析题，写作题。很考英文写作能力，而且时间比较紧。２.５小时要写一篇Essay
；分析一个Electrical Patent Application,写summary；给出一段Patent Act,然后要
求据此分析一个Patent Application是否接受；还有２０道左右的 |
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u********w
发帖数: 599 | 14 if the patent holder got the guts to sue you with a shoddy patent, you can
kick back by challenging the validity of the patent in the court. so it's an
expensive and risky thing for them as well. it's just part of the business.
if both sides want to avoid the risks, then you may settle with them, maybe
for a lower licensing fee than they ask for. |
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a********6
发帖数: 2 | 15 I passed the patent bar two days ago. Hopefully you'll find my study
strategy helpful. Good luck everyone.
===============================
考PATENT BAR攻略
Copyright reserved
对于一个英语不是母语, 没有法律背景, 还要全天工作的人, 要考PATENT BAR, 就一定
要下定决心. 从零开始. 需要的材料:
1, PLI (这是我用的) OR OTHER HOME STUDY COURSE
2, BULLSEYE
3, 字典
4. WWW.MYPATENTBAR.COM
5, 笔记本
下面讲讲我学习的历程:
1, 我开始时, 没有用PLI. 只花40美元买了BULLSEYE的材料. 看BULLSEYE 提纲, 用了
很多时间查字典. 但是像 REDUCTION TO PRACTICE, FIRST OFFICE ACTION ON THE
MERITS, ANTEDATE, SWEARBACK…这些法律词汇, 就算查 |
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z*****e
发帖数: 59 | 16 Hi I am seeking a people who has knowledge of patent application to convert
a provisional patent to formal one. My filation deadline is April 1.
The provisional patent is in place already (filed almost one year ago), may or may not need to modify.
Please contact me at w********[email protected] to discuss the service fee etc.
Thank you. |
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F****C
发帖数: 403 | 17 去了firm，啥都没有的人是technology specialist，然后你可以去考patent bar，考
过了叫做patent agent，也就是国内俗尘的专利代理人。这个时候你可以在起草的专利
上签名。 |
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n***e
发帖数: 461 | 18 you can draft just by "copying" from other people - of course that'll
require somebody to review your draft. patent bar prep does not teach too
much on how to draft applications. Drafting is an art, and you learn by
practice. Of course, some basic knowledge about MPEP and patent law would
help. |
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z**y
发帖数: 24 | 19 另：加拿大公民- 考美国patent agent exam要求有至少一年的patent agent工作经验
吗？ 没有patent agent工作经验可以直接去考吗？
谢谢！ |
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s*******r
发帖数: 769 | 20 现在有空，想考个patent bar，但是又没有马上找patent agent工作的冲动，会不会过
段时间再找patent bar的工作的时候，东西都忘了？
这个考试是一次性的，以后不需要再考吗？ |
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s*******r
发帖数: 769 | 21 正在准备patent bar exam，刚听说学校patent office has intern openings。
intern需要花很多时间，每周10个多小时，不知道值不值花这么多时间。 |
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y**o
发帖数: 2115 | 22 好歹是patent office的工作，多少还是沾边的；到时候自己包装一下。。。
对你帮助有多大，取决于你有没有其他更好的选择；一周十几个小时听起来也不是很多
，如果不是太忙的话挤挤也就出来了，关键是这些时间能否拿来做更有帮助的事情。。。
patent agent的工作，可能用处不大。是这样吗？ |
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s*******r
发帖数: 769 | 23 今天碰上一个人，以前在Boston地区一个law firm里做tech advisor，背景是化学出身
的。她告诉我
1）tech advisor和patent agent干的活完全一样，没什么区别
2）tech advisor和patent agent的待遇也基本一样，没什么明显区别
3）她做tech advisor的压力很大，平均每周70-80小时，deadline很紧
4）tech advisor，有PhD的话，起薪在90k左右（boston area）
5）没有人做patent agent做很久，最后都上law school了。
是这么回事吗？这是很典型的例子吗？ |
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i****y
发帖数: 5184 | 24 是没有区别啊
没过patent bar之前，是tech advisor，过了就是patent agent
5）不一定，我觉得tech advisor不会做很久，最后都会去过patent bar，但是上不上
law school就不一定了 |
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p*******1
发帖数: 34 | 25 A off-the-topic question: Can someone sit for the patent bar exam while on
OPT and working in industry in an engineer position?
It seems according to the bulletin one has to be supported by employer, does
the employer here means patent-law related employer? Does anyone here know
of any successful case of taking patent bar exam while not holding PR/
citizenship and not working in a law firm?
Thanks very much!!
come |
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s***f
发帖数: 246 | 26 刚收到专利考试申请的批准。本来很高兴，读到后来发现不对，想请教一下有没有人有
类似经验。
我的身份是EAD，485 pending，伴侣，现在的EAD是2012年六月到期。专利局认为因为
我的工作身份是零时的，所以即使考过专利考试，也不能注册为专利律师或者代理人（patent agent）。
而只可能有资格获得Limited recognization.而获得有限确认的条件是两年内提供材料证明：
（1）有专利相关训练，或者（2）有专利相关工作。
我的问题是，授予这样的“有限”身份是普遍的吗？如果不能成为patent agent，那对找专
利工作是不是不利？在简历上应该怎么描述，Passed the Patent Bar, but not an agent/attorney?
多谢回答。 |
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i****y
发帖数: 5184 | 27 一般大家说的tech spec是law firm里面的一个职位，有技术背景的人在没有上law
school没有过patent bar前的一个职位，属于预备役的。
patent analyst一般是law firm请的外面的third party service做patent search或者
一些技术分析，不是legal track的职位。
yaoo师兄两个都做过，最有资格回答你的问题。 |
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z***e
发帖数: 1757 | 28 not familiar with patent bar, so can't help you there. just want to offer
some general encouragement. nothing is impossible. if you want to make it happen, it will happen.
it is not clear what is your alternatives to taking patent bar. Looking for
job in the same industry, or stay home mom/dad? these are personal decisions
that you need to make on your own with your family.
why not spend some time to start prep for patent bar when not sending out
resumes? where are you located? what part-time la... 阅读全帖 |
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s*****t
发帖数: 27 | 29 As far as I know, 20W+ is pretty good in Top 10...Other than that, most
patent agent earns 10-15W a year.
About the literal recitation, I guess this is the easiest way for the
examiner to evaluate whether the amended claims are supported by the
original specification,especially related to translation problem, and the
EPO has the same standard. Btw, not all the patent applications are examined
by SIPO, an patent examination center governed by SIPO also does
examination, and they are extremely str... 阅读全帖 |
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d********e
发帖数: 2221 | 30 get green card first
pass patent bar next
then, take any patent agent job you can find.
after you get some experience under your belt, move to a better firm.
networking is key. go talk to anyone you might have connection with, such as
friend's friends and alumni, who works in patent law. getting a job by
referral is much easier than sending hundreds of resumes. Well, this
applies to seeking jobs in any field. |
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P*****s
发帖数: 484 | 31 我现在是个中等规模公司的engineer，明年初生小孩，想趁休息产假期间考个patent
bar。我觉得engineer年轻还行，过了40岁尤其是女的就发展空间有限了。如果做个
patent agent可以利用自己以前的science和engineering的背景，职业发展也不太受年
龄影响，将来做好了也许还能自己接点case，或者到学校或者公司当个什么法律顾问啥
的。我野心不大，也没有特别想读法学院，如果就单纯的做个patent agent，不知道这
个想法切合实际不？请版上前辈指点或者拍砖。 |
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A***r
发帖数: 14 | 32 我从General Requirements Bulletin上没有找到关于身份的限制，外国人好像只要合
法住在美国就可以参加考试了。为什么大家都很肯定地说一定要绿卡或者在patent
firm里工作呢？我打电话去问，那个人让我把资料寄过去审核，没说一定要做相关工作
（也许这人不清楚）。不知道大家是从哪儿得到的信息？
(b) Agents. Any citizen of the United States who is not an attorney, and
who fulfills the
requirements of this Part may be registered as a patent agent to practice
before the Office.
When appropriate, any alien who is not an attorney, who lawfully resides in
the United
States, and who fulfills the requirements of this Part may be regist... 阅读全帖 |
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a********h
发帖数: 14 | 33 本人今年5月JD毕业，在校期间通过了Patent Bar， 有关于专利的文章发表， 也有在
学校technology transfer和私人公司专利实习的经历。现在通过了纽约和新泽西州的
律考，但是一直没有找到patent的工作。网上的工作很多要求2+years patent
prosecution experience，这个条件我无法满足，没有标注工作经验的position海投了
一堆，除了据信就是石沉大海。希望在这的各位大牛提供宝贵的建议啊！ |
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z******n
发帖数: 336 | 34 Well, I am not confused with 102(b). It is exactly why I am asking about
this.
The answer I have now is the Examiner cannot, but I am not 100% sure.
Essentially, what I am asking is:
Can the Examiner use a non-prior art article as the secondary reference to
fill the gap between X and X+Y.
1. ODP is still talking about Obviousness. The examiner still needs to
establish a prima facie case of obviousness with prior art which does not
include the inventor's own academia article within one year.
2.Or... 阅读全帖 |
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y*****b
发帖数: 20 | 35 请各位过来人不吝指点!
我有个Mol Bio & Biochem 的博士, 并在一大药厂工作了3年. 因为种种原因不想再做
bench work 了, 想做些patent law 方面的工作. 近期不打算申请law school, 想申请
patent paralegal 的工作, 但不知如何开始. 有几个具体点的问题,
1). 这想法是否异想天开, 有可行性嘛?
2). 这方面就业机会和前景如何呢?
3). 应作些什么准备工作呢? 是否应该去考paralegal license 和 patent bar 等等?
一下问了这么多, 实在是觉得全无头绪, 任何的回答, 评论, 拍砖, 或鼓励都欢迎. 在
此先深深谢过了! |
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o*********s
发帖数: 275 | 36 Paralegal's job does not require much creativity or critical think. Even
paralegals in a patent law firm does not deal much with either law or
technology. I don't think someone who has a PhD and pharma working
experience should be seeking paralegal job. If you are serious about
getting into patent field, consider looking for tech specialist or patent
agent job. |
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l********d
发帖数: 443 | 37 That's true and you don't need to "顶着锅盖问"
Tech spec doesn't even require a patent bar. Having a patent bar makes you
a patent agent.
That said, it doesn't make it any easier for you to succeed in the market
without any prior experience. |
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m********u
发帖数: 105 | 38 本人有考patent bar exam的意愿，但是从本科到博士学位都是在国内获得的，ee专业
。在美国工作5年，是在学术界。在工作期间接触了不少专利工作，很感兴趣，希望考
个patent bar。请问各位大牛，我这种情况有资格考patent bar吗？
先拜谢了！ |
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L**P
发帖数: 3792 | 39 Maybe your friends were using OPT to take a patent prosecution job, then it
was possible for them to take the bar exam. Some Chinese law student on
this board did that years ago. Even so, it is not what you described. An OPT
is NOT enough, he/she got rejected first and finally got through by proving
his/her OPT job is related to patent prosecution. His/Her employer provided
a
letter to support him/her. Luckily, USPTO accepted the employer letter and
did not request any USCIS document. Nowadays,... 阅读全帖 |
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L**P
发帖数: 3792 | 40 I know what you are saying, but I doubt you can do anything with the
examiner. Besides the USCIS/immigration/OPT thing, your OPT already expired
and it is too late to argue.
The point is that your need to prove your immigration status is in line with
patent prosecution. So you need to prove that your OPT is in line with
patent prosecution. For the law student I mentioned, he succeeded because
his OPT is first from his F1 in law school, so at least his OPT is related
to law and then he gave a emp... 阅读全帖 |
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l*****t
发帖数: 77 | 41 刚过了patent bar，复习的材料没用了要转让。
Barbri 2003的
mini review
practice question
lecture handouts
PLI 2006的
Prime question
precourse material
CD 1－36 （8－12 missing）
（本来是全套，被我掉了一些）
还有bullseye的全套，今年买的
自己觉得CD挺好，其他就是做旧题了，但没有patent经验的可能要多看看review
另外10／2以后patent bar会有AIA的update，有些章节的内容需要update。
书很沉，有20lb多，
Bullseye的材料我会email
因为PLI和barbri不全，就便宜卖了150吧
站内联系 |
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m****h
发帖数: 261 | 42 software 不容易patent吧？university ip office不帮prosecute software patent,
帮licensing. 这样company看了code,是不是steal it呢？是不是自己找private firm
做provisional,然后卖给company,然后让他们pursue non-provisional?
多谢！ |
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c**d
发帖数: 3888 | 43 Software is patentable.
Companies won't steal your code (hopefully) because you and the IP Office
are smart enough to put an NDA in place.
Do not hire a law firm or patent it yourself unless you have explicit
approval from the IP Office. |
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A*****4
发帖数: 465 | 44 恩，谢谢大家的解答了。
不过我还有个问题：
当我查到一个patent(无论它是：WO, US, EP, JP 还是CN的），
怎么才能查到在其他地区file的关于这个patent的counterpart，而没有遗漏呢？
我用thomson reuters看那个patent的family就可以了吗？
先谢谢大家了 |
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k*********r
发帖数: 362 | 45 有几个问题请教各位，非常感谢！
1。是不是有绿卡有工科phd就可以申请？需要现任雇主支持么？有若干张traffic
tickets （speeding&red light）超过$100会不会没有考试资格？
2。一般申请这个考试是在转technical specialist之前还是之后呢？通过这个考试是
不是对转technical specialist很有帮助？
本人EE小博工作两年多想转patent law，我听说EE patent attorney门槛比别的低，很
多BS和MS都在做，所以心惴惴焉。。。目前打算一边工作一边把LSAT和Patent Bar考掉
。。。不知道大家一般都是怎样一个过程？
多谢各位！ |
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w***4
发帖数: 302 | 46 申请考patent bar 时 要求必须从事patent相关的工作 吗? 还是要先找个technical工
作先干着再考？
Thanks!! |
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g********u
发帖数: 4 | 47 I will internally refer qualifying candidates, so it is expected to be an
easier process.
=============
Candidates must have patent prosecution experience in the fields of life
sciences, biomedical engineering and/or chemical engineering. Candidates
must possess excellent academic credentials and strong research, writing,
communication, interpersonal, and organizational skills. Although not
required, candidates with experience in patent diligence and technology
transfer are desirable. Candidates... 阅读全帖 |
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h***h
发帖数: 102 | 48 我问non-citizen要怎么样才能考patent bar，那个接电话的大妈说要申请了才知道是
否qualify。套了她老半天也没套出名堂来。。。
请问我F1学生签证，法学院1L在读，本科是category A的专业，暑假找到一个做patent
方面的实习，unpaid。这样子能申请到考PATENT BAR么？是绝对不可能还是可以申申看
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l*******e
发帖数: 29 | 49 我的理解是可以，美国有一些所特别是boutique，专做除litigation之外的专利业务。
如果只是patent prosecution的话，不需要patent attorney。也就是说，做是可以做
的，问题是有没有业务，能不能拉来业务 |
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t****n
发帖数: 278 | 50 既然工资要求不高，可以考虑patent analyst/patent searcher |
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